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My great, great grandparents John Haren and Hannah (Murphy) Haren lived at Tulloughboy, (Kilmaley Parish) in Clare. Married February 1853.
They had 10 children and I can only find 3, Bridget (my great-grandmother) her brothers Thomas and John.
Any connections out there?
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hello !
1 mary haran 1 june 1867 john haran , hanah murphy
2 terence haran 4 feb 1865 // // , hannagh //
3 possible thomas haren 5 july 1875 john haren , anne murphy
4 patrick harin oct 1852 john harin , hannah murphy tullanboy townland witnesses daniel harin and kate harin
5 timothy 20 feb 1862 john harn/m , hannah murphy
john haren 31 march 1852 pat haren mary costello (your johns parents?)
on griffith val 1855 john haran and daniel haren tullaghaboy
on 1901 census daniel age 76 with wife and kids (15 haren haran)
on 1911 census loads more
some births on www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
search on line for kilmaley births-web address to long for me to type out .
1901 census and griffith val on clare library web site
1911 census on line as well
theres two haren,s on telephone book livin in kilmaley drop them a line or a buzz
ill root around see if i can find any more
robert (co clare)
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ment to say dont get to worked up about surname spellings , most couldnt read or write so kilmaley parish priests (think 3 over this time span) spelt names phonetically .
im researching family from kilmaley i have six diferent spellings of surname
good luck happy hunting
robert
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gonna have go at typing that address
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/clare/churches/kilmaley-bap.txt
its SOME kilmaley baptisms NOT all for between 1828-1882
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just had quick look on www.ancestry.co.uk/ for trees with john haran and hannah murphy
as parents , terence 4 feb 1865 went to new york married had kids all info there .
its a "one world tree" which i dont think you can contact the owners of , but someone here might correct me , anyhow ive several of these one world trees showing long lost relies in states i havnt figured out how to contact them , but like i say someone here might tell us how .
goodnight ill have nother root around in morn if i get a chance
robert in co clare
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Hello Robert from the Banner County,
Thank you very much for the valuable information you posted. At the weekend I discovered my grandfather Patrick Crowley living with his grandmother Hannah Haren in the 1911 Census. I then checked the 1901 Census which gave me John and Thomas, son's of Hannah Murphy Haren. The enumerator accidently gave info. of 10 children and the many years she was married.
I know what you mean with the different name spellings, I have come across them alot in my research.
Thanks for taking the time Robert, much appreciated.
DoireM
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up the Banner !
on www.GenesReunited.co.uk a Gillian has following
francis 1880
bridget 1877
thomas 1875
james 1872
daniel 1870
mary 1867
terence 1865
timothy 1862
catherine 1858
john 1856
michael 1854
patrick 1852
john 1814
patrick 1813
daniel 1784
all from tullaghboy kilmaley
you can contact gillian on GenesReunited you will have to subscribe for a small fee which lasts for 6 months ive used this site and found relies in states wales england etc etc most people are willing to answer . you can put up your on family tree and see if anyone matches .
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Robert your a STAR!
Will now try to connect with Gillian, fingers crossed.
Many thanks Robert. Up the Banner!
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My great-grandfather, Daniel Haren (born abt 1877-79), immigrated from Ireland in abt 1898. I am new to geneaology and have as yet been unable to trace his roots back to ireland. Any information that you could share regarding the Haren surname, or any relatives named Daniel Haren, would be much appreciated.
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Hello psolbergs and welcome to Rootschat!
The information I have on my great grandmother's brother Daniel, is that he was born in Tulloughboy, Parish of Kilmaley in Co. Clare. His date of birth/baptism is 25 March 1870. Sponsors were Daniel Haren and Nora McGuane. Daniel's parents were John and Hannah (Murphy) Haren. Daniel was one of 12 children!
So where did your Daniel immigrate to?
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I have recently obtained my Great-Grandfather's marriage license. His parents are listed at Daniel Haren and Mary Coughlin (both of Ireland). His name was Daniel Haren; his birth year is approx 1872. He married Catherine Scanlon (also from Ireland) in Buffalo NY in November 1901. One of the witnesses to the wedding was James Haren who I am assuming was a close relative to my Great Grandfather- perhaps brother or cousin.
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I have recently obtained my Great-Grandfather's marriage license. His parents are listed at Daniel Haren and Mary Coughlin (both of Ireland). His name was Daniel Haren; his birth year is approx 1872. He married Catherine Scanlon (also from Ireland) in Buffalo NY in November 1901. One of the witnesses to the wedding was James Haren who I am assuming was a close relative to my Great Grandfather- perhaps brother or cousin.
IGI (www.familysearch.org) lists children of Daniel Haran and Mary Coughlin-
1. Bridget born 4 June 1864 Killammiv District, Co. Clare (page 258 in civil index).
2. Terence born 2 July 1865 Killanniv District (page 260 in civil index).
3. Terence born 18 JUly 1868 Killanniv District (page 273 in civil index)
4. Daniel born 1 Mar.1870 Co. Clare
5. John born 15 Aug.1871 Co. Clare
6. Bridget born 11 Aug.1874 Killanin, Co. Clare
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Thank you. I did find that information on the familysearch site. I am a bit concerned that this may not be him since the birth years do not align. The marriage license states that he is 29 in 1901. I am trying to determine if there was another Daniel Haren and Mary Coughlin (which does not appear to be the case).
Thanks again.
Patricia
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Hello Patricia,
I came across this piece of information I had, it is a sister of your Daniel.
Bridget Haren daughter of Daniel Haren and Mary Coughlin. Baptised June 1873. Sponsors: Pat Murphy and Anne Haren of Tullaghboy.
Will keep a look out, something tells me our Haren's are connected!
DoireM
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In the Kilmaley Parish birth records there is a Michael Haren born February 11, 1862 to Daniel Haren and Mary Couglan, his godparents are listed as Patrick Crowley and Mary Crowley. His home is listed as Tullaghaboy
Additionally, Daniel Haren is listed as the occupier of land in Tulloghaboy in the 1855 Griffith's Valuation.
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I apologize, my last posting should have stated Daniel Haren was an occupier of the land in the 1826 Tithe Applotments and not the Griffith's.
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No harm done. Much appreciated.
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Do the haren family in doolough have a connections with the harens of tullaghaboy. I think there is, worth checking anyway.
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GDAY:)
Loveeeee to hear from Haren Researchers..
My ggrandmother BRIDGET Haren and Her Sisters ANNIE And KATIE were from Milltown mAlbay/INAGH Co Clare, girls born circa 1840s
Came here with mother Hanorah in 1860s Their Father was john
May have been other Siblings, Thomas etc who stayed in Clare, thomas was a Teacher
regards
cathy:)
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Hello Cathy,
These Haren's from Co. Clare in some way have to be related! I had a research done at Corofin Centre. Three Haren brothers settled in Australia. Bonny Tom in Oz is related to me and Jen Haren too, she has shared information with me.
My Haren's are from Tullaghaboy, Kilmaley Parish.
Regards,
DoireM
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Hi Doire:)
Thanks for your Reply re Harens Nice to Hear from you!
Welll if only we can sort out how they connect..My lot who came to South Australia settled first in Clare SA Where there was already a Haren Family from clare hmmmm wionder if they were related A terence haren from clare
Now Hanora (no idea of her maiden name) settled here with her 3 daughters Bridgett, Katie and Annie John the Father had maybe Passed away previously
Apparently Milltown Malbay is like 10 Miles from Inagh too
Maybe we can get a few Haren researchers together on these lot or get in contact with harens in clare interested in research
I did see Somewhere that HARENS originally came from Donegal, 3 brothers
Wondering if name too was Originally German
regards
Cathy:)
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Hello Cathy,
I am presently searching my local newspaper on microfiche and came across a marriage in 1864 of Ann Harran, whose father was John Harran. of Clover Hill, Kiltyfergal.
I'm sure you too, have come across the different spellings of the name.
My three Haren men left Tullaghaboy for Australia.
Patrick Haren - baptised 23 October, 1852, single, died 17 April, 1925 in Armidale N.S.W.
Michael Haren - baptised 5 August, 1854. Arrived on 'The Guinea' 1878. Married - Emma Hutchinson on 12 May, 1886 in Armidale, N.S.W. they had 8 children. Died: 17 July, 1934 buried in Uralla Cemetery.
Timothy Haren - baptised 20 February, 1862. Occupation Baker. Arrived in Oz on board 'Assaye' on 3 September, 1883. Married - Sarah McCormack, on 4 March, 1889. They had 6 children. He died, 11 July, 1944 in Sydney and buried in Rockwood Cemetery.
I don't know if they went out to a relative already in Australia.
I know Bonny Tom did a lot of research and I wrote to her last year, but no reply.
It would be great if all heads came together to sort out the Haren's from Clare. I know Liz in the U.S. has a Haren website.
Sorry, Cathy not sure the origins of the Haren name!!
Regards,
DoireM
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Hi Doire:)
Thanks for your reply...yes my great Grandmother on Shipping list here was listed as HARHAN another as Haran soooo i too dont put much into spellings of surnames either as they spometimes changed spellings too
Yes ive had contact with Liz Haren before re Harens her lot were from Quilty i believe not sure how far that is from Milltown Malbay and Inagh
I checked the 1901 Census for a Thomas Haren may be brother of my lot who according to rellies here was a Teacher, found one in letterkelly\Talk is there was a sister Mary who went to states too, married there in 1850s
Had contact with a lady in States researching her tho she says there was a Sister Margaret and a Patrick who came to Australia Cant seem to find him
Well The search goes on...are u in states?
Regards
Cathy:)
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Hi Again Doire:)
Theres also a HAREN Family who arrived on the VICTORY In NSW in 1855
Trying to Figure out who this family was
71 Haren, James; 38; Laborer; Miltown, Corclare; Patrick and Mary, father
dead, mother at Kilrush; RC; Both; none; good; none.
72 Haren, Hannah; 37; Miltown, Corclare; Timothy and Eliza Cronans, both
dead; RC; Both; none; good; none.
73 Haren, Michael; 17; Farm Laborer; Miltown, Corclare; James and Hannah,
onboard; RC; Both; none; good; none.
Regards
Cathy:)
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Hello Cathy,
Thanks for sharing. Indeed it is a search ??? I live in Ireland about 4 hours from Clare. Cathy are you in the Clare Roots Society?
Marie
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Hi Doire:)
In Re to The previous Post there was a MICHAEL HAREN Died in Victoria Aged 27, in 1865 Parents listed as Hannah(Nee CRONIN) and James Haren
Looks like the one who came here on victory with parents
regards
cathy:)
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GDAY Doire:)
No not a member of Clare Roots Society..
If u need any help in Australia with some of your lot be pleased to help
Theres a Great Australian Site Called Australian Beta Newspapers(trove)
Found lots of info there
Regards
Cathy:)
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Doire:)
Another death in Victoria Aus of a Robert Haren Born Clare
died 1869 aged 56 Parents listed as Patrick HAREN and Mary KEANE
Cathy:)
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Many thanks Cathy and have taken note of your findings.
I appreciate your offer and thanks for the website. I will keep you posted on
Harens' :)
DoireM
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GDAY Doire:)
Your Very Welcome:) looking for some more Harens that came from clare to Aus
also my Bridget Haren married a Michael Ryan here too, he was born circa 1840 Somewhere in Clare, Father john...But lotsa Ryans in Clare too
regards
cathy:)
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Hi
Could someone please tell me is Horan and Haren the same surname as my grandmother Catherine (Katie) Horan father was John his father was Thomas Horan they came from County Clare to Australia dont know what town in Clare they were from,or what year they came here. John married Judith (known as Johanna and Annie) Mullaly from Tipperary and settled in Mt Gambier South Australia where they had my grandmother and several children a lot of them died very young. I dont know anything about my Grandmother's parents other than in Australia. Would love to find out anything on the Irish side about them,where they came from or if Thomas had any brothers and sister's and who is wife was. Also if my ggrandfather John had any brothers and sisters.
Kind regards
Barbara
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GDAY Babs:)
Thanks for your post, nice to hear from you
Yes HAREN can be spelt in different ways, HAREN/HARHEN/HORAN etc etc, Im really interested in your lot
Wonder if they were from milltown malbay/inagh areas too
Irish research not easy tho...What other info do u have regards John Horan and Judith Mullalys children please
I would suggest maybe u could check into rootschat Chat room , as theres another HAREN researcher there, as well as myself
Cheers
regards
cathy:)
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Hi Cathy,
Thankyou for your reply, I am so glad to hear that I now can lookup different spelling of the name as I have been hitting brick walls for years with John and his father Thomas Horan, what I do know are all the childrens dates for John and Johanna Mullaley, Bridget married a John Kain in Mt Gambier, Catherine my grandmother married Gustav Edmund Schleter also in Mt Gambier,Margaret I am unsure whether she married a John Byass or just had a child to him,Edward Lawrence married Agnes Pudney, they all appear to have married in Mt Gambier South Australia, on the Mullaley side Johanna's sister Margaret married Stephen Ryans, Mary married Edmund English, also another sister married a John Egan,her surname is different which means her mother Bridget could have married a Kavanagh before marrying William Mullaley.
Getting back to Horans, Thomas may have married a Ann Doolan but I havent been able to confirm this as yet. Hope you can make sense of all this
Kind regards
Barbara
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GDAY doire and babs:)
Hows your research into Harens Going??
Just wanted to Mention theres a Clare genealogy group on Facebook...With Haren Researchers!
Did u find out any more Moire re John Harran of cloverhill kittyfergal clare
Ive ordered in Kilrush registers from clare, will see if any harens on there
Regards
Cathy:)
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Hi Cathy,
I have ground to a halt for now, I have done everything but dig them up!! ;D
Will give the Facebook group a look in, thanks for that.
Good luck with the Kilrush registers.
DoireM
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GDAY doire:)
Thanks for your Reply...u very welcome:) Co Clare genealogy group is a great group., and Liz Haren also a member...Is there anything u would like me to check on kilrush registers for u....hopefully be in soon thru lds
Yes ive not gotten any further with my haren lot also....i think i need to be in co clare might have more luck..
Regards
Cathy:)
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Hi Cathy,
I have been in contact with Liz down the line.
I would appreciate if you come across anyone with the name Crowley in the Kilrush registers. I spent a small fortune a few years ago at the Corofin Centre in Clare ... I had more info than they supplied me!!
It's a hit and miss.
Thanks Cathy,
Marie
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Hi Cathy,
I have ground to a halt for now, I have done everything but dig them up!! ;D
Will give the Facebook group a look in, thanks for that.
Good luck with the Kilrush registers.
DoireM
Hi Doire
Sorry haven't been doing my genealogy for awhile, and have just recently started up again, I noticed that you have Ryans we also have them on our tree, my grandmother Catherine Horan's mother Judith(Johanna Mullaly's sister Margaret married a Stephen Ryan as yet I havent found out where he was from, only that they married in South Australia, his father was John William Francis Ryan. I also still havent found out where John Horan came from in Clare but will keep at it.
Barbara
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Hi Babs,
Good to hear from you. It's Cathy who has Ryan's in her family tree. I am sure she will see your post and get in contact.
I have noticed in my research in the Kilmaley Parish in Clare, there are loads of Horan's. Do you have any birth dates I can check for you in this Parish?
DoireM
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Hi Babs:)
Yes I have a Michael ryan born circa 1842 in Co Clare Don't know where tho, his father was John ryan, he married Bridgett Haren..in SA...her father was john Haren...Bridget/Katie/annie haren and mother Hanorah all Came to SA...But don't know what happened to father/husband John
there apparently were other haren children to hanorah and john, a Thomas haren a school teacher, and possibly a mary haren went to states and maybe a few more siblings
Michael and Bridget ryan(nee Haren) are my ggrandparents
regards
cathy:)
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Hi Cathy,
So glad to hear from you,John Horan(is how my family spelt it) was my grandmother Catherine's (known as Katie )father, so he was my great grandfather, my ggrandmother was Johanna Mullaley,not honorah,she was known as Annie, but on the shipping record it has her as Judith. Most of the children died young, of Thomas I have no info, but the rest of children were Honorah Mary,Margaret, Bridget Mary, William Andrew,Mary Honorah, Johanna also known as Annie,John Michael,John Edward,Edward Lawrence, I can give you all their dates if you would like. What I want to know is Where in Clare was John from, as I have no info on the family how they came to South Australia,also did John have Bridget to a different marriage,as she is the only one not born in Mt Gambier South Australia. I have Bridget on my tree as marrying John Kain, I am starting to think we may have our Bridget's mixed up, or did she marry twice,let me know as I know a lot of Irish used similar names.
Look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards
Barbara :)
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Hi Cathy
Just to add to confusion I have Margaret Maud Mullaley married to Stephen Ryan in my tree also.
Kind regards
Barbara
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Hi Barbara:)
Thanks for your post, Nice to hear from you...Im in SA too..Yes can get confusing whilst researching with surnames as many different ways to spell a surname too, and some often changed their spelling
my lot Haren , who came from clare were apparently from the areas of miltown malbay and inagh co clare...but there were also families there spelt harhen too..
there was also a Terence haren who came to SA born circa 1832 in Clare lived in Clare SA but have yet to find his arrival Into aus, my ggrandmother Bridget Haren arrived in SA in 1855 on William Stevenson , she was born in 1836 and she first went to clare in SA so im wondering was Terence haren a relation...then her 2 sisters annie and Katie haren followed a few yrs later with her mother hanorah, but what happened to their father/husband john , have found nothing on him
don't know if u on facebook, I am, but theres an excellent county clare Ireland genealogy board u can join, im a member, great site, lovely people too
have u found your lot of horans coming into aus??im guessing u have checked trove newspapers too
I also have kain in my tree, married into my hare direct line around pt pirie in SA
stay in touch
Regards
Cathy:)
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Barbara...do u have access to ancestry and FindMyPast
I have if u need me to look up something
cathy:)
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Barbara from SA Biographical Index re horan
HORAN Denis d: after 1880 an: by 1864
occ: Teacher res: Farrell Flat, Burra
HORAN Dennis b: c1835 d: 3.3.1907
bd: Peterborough SA an: by 1857 res: Dawson,
Salisbury rel: RC
m: Mgt nee McKEEVOR par: P. b: c1839
d: 11.2.1886 Dawson SA ch: Mary (1857-), Patk
Michl (1862-1885), Danl (1865-1888), 3 sons, 2 dam
HORAN Eugene b: c1854 an: 1875 LADYJO CELYN
HORAN John!James b: c1841 d: 18.5.1921M t
Gambier SA res: Mt Gambier rel: RC
m: 9.5.1868 Mt Gambier SA Ja nec MULLALLY
b: c1848 d: 31.3.1922 ch: Honorah (1869-), Bridget
(1870-), M (1872-), Thos (1874-), Wm Andrew
(1878-1929 Mary Honorah (1880-1880), Ja
(1882-1917), Cath (1885-), John (1887-), Ed
Lawrence (1891-1920)
HORAN Margaret b: c1832 an: 1849 ELGIN
HORAN Owen arr: by 1885 occ: Publican
res: Pekina
HORAN Patk Michl par : Danl and Mgt nee
McKEEVOR b: c1862 d: 9.11.1885 bd: Dawson SA
HORAN Patrick b: c1829 CIA YRL an: 1856 LORD
HUNGERFORD occ: Labourer rel: 'RC
HORAN Peter b: c1818 Kings TIP IRL an: 1855
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Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916
Query
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Groom : kain (37 matches)
Given names : john (19025 matches)
Total matching records: 11
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Groom: KAIN
Given names: John
Bride: HORAN
Given names: Bridget
Date: 1907-11-06
Groom Age: 35
Status: S
Groom's Father: Michael KAIN
Bride Age: 37
Status: S
Bride's Father: John HORAN
Place: St Paul Mount Gambier
District: Gre
Symbol:
Book/Page: 233/686
Cross Reference:
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Digger - South Australian Marriages, Registrations 1842-1916
Query
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Groom : horan (12 matches)
Total matching records: 12
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Groom: HORAN
Given names: John
Bride: MULLALLY
Given names: Johanna
Date: 1868-05-09
Groom Age: 26
Status: S
Groom's Father: Thos HORAN
Bride Age: 21
Status: S
Bride's Father: Wm MULLALLY
Place: Catholic Chapel Mount Gambier
District: Gre
Symbol: A
Book/Page: 75/655
Cross Reference:
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Hi Again Barbara:)
Been looking at a few trees on ancestry re your lot..Horan/Mullaley looks like Mullaley from Tipperary...Johns father being Thomas...Wonder if they came in thru Victoria?
theres also a Tipperary Genealogy Board on face book too, They also pretty good
regards
cathy:)
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Hi Cathy
Thankyou for all that information, I had most of my lot, off the SA diggers discs, I have now changed to windows 7, and cant get my discs to work,which is really annoying, it looks like it is a different family to mine that you come from, I did wonder whether Bridget was Johns sister. I have all info for both families in South Australia, but nothing before then on the Horan side, I have the shipping record for the Mullaley's they arrived in Victoria, because of all the John and Thomas Horans,I am not getting anywhere with where they came from before South Australia. I have just joined the clare group on facebook. so hope I have some luck there. I was born in South Australia, but I have lived in Perth WA since I was 18, but I still go back home when I can. I will try again the shipping in Victoria, but it is hard when you have no idea of date they arrived,Goodluck with your tree, I thought I had finally found someone related, will keep trying.
Kind regards
Barbara
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HI i have just joined roots chat and saw your references to Horan. I have my G Grandfather Robert Horan (b about 1858) and his sister Mary(b about 1863) with a father Michael who was already dead in 1881. Not sure where in Ireland they came from can't get back any further than Michael. Robert & Mary are on the 1881census in UK. Robert married a Catherine Finn (b 18.04.1862 in Thurles Tipperary) they married in 1881 in Preston Lancashire UK. I have traced Catherines family to Ireland but cant get any further back with Robert other than his fathers name on the marriage certificate stating he is deceased. Any help or advice
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Hi Heathkid,
I am sorry that your reply has not been answered by the folks yet - just wanted to say a huge welcome to RootsChat
Regards
Sarah
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Hello all,
I found these posts whilst looking for details of my mother's side of the family. I hope this thread is still active.
My mother, Bernadette, was born in 1925 to John Joseph Harhen [1895-1967] and his wife Margaret (nee Doohan) [1892-1986] They lived in Cloonbooly at the time when I visited as a child in the 60's.
My mothers siblings were Christie (Christopher), Frank, Mary, Teresa and Catherine Christine.
I'm told that John Joseph's siblings were John, Ellie, Delia, James, Margaret, Martin, Mary, Michael, Norah, Thomas and two named Kate. The first Kate died as a child and a later daughter was given the same name.
I think that some of the sons emigrated to Australia and some (maybe the same ones) emigrated to New Zealand.
From the 1911 census there is a house 6 in Slievealoughaun (Kinturk, Clare) which shows the residents as:
Harhen John age 70 male Head of family R. Catholic
Harhen Norah age 33 female Daughter R. Catholic
Harhen Michael age 24 male Son R. Catholic
Harhen John age 16 male Son R. Catholic
Harhen Catherine age 14 female Daughter R. Catholic
Harhen James age male Son R. Catholic
This matches up so well that I think it might be the right family. Does this match up with anyone else's information? It would be so helpful to have some independent confirmation.
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Hello Colin,
Welcome to RootsChat :) DoireM was last online about 10 days ago and is still receiving replies to this topic and others, I do not know why they did not reply to heathkid.
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks Sarah, these few posts I didn't get.
DoireM
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Hi ColinDV,
I have heard of Harhen's of Cloonbooly in Kilmaley Parish in Co. Clare. The name also appears as Haran / Haren on records. Clare County Library has a brilliant genealogy site on its website. There is also a Haren/Harhen FB page is you wish to join us.
DoireM
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Hi DoireM,
Thanks for such a speedy response. I had wondered if the thread was still active.
I'll take a look at the library site so thanks for the heads up on that. I usually try to stay off FB...but I suppose needs must ::)
See you on there soon,
ColinDV
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Hi ColinDV,
I can tell you that there is a relative of yours in the FB page. I am one of the Admins and you would be a great asset to the group. Give me a heads up and I will give you access.
DoireM
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Hi DoireM,
Hopefully I will be able to get on board tomorrow
ColinDV
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That's great news. There will be a few questions to answer before approval to site. Looking forward to welcoming you on board. :)
DoireM