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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: alijet on Monday 28 September 09 13:50 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Richard Rumbelow was born c1827 in West Row. He married Mary Ann Reynolds in 1847 and died in 1904 in West Row. I have all his children and their details. I have all the census details except 1841
Where I need help is:
1. Does anyone know where he is in 1841. He's not living where I expected hm to be (with his parents).
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2. This is my biggest dilemma. I was told his parents were John Rumbelow & Susanna (Susan) Brown. However, because he's not showing on the 1841 census and I can't find any record to tie Richard in with Susan & John, I'm starting to wonder if he is the son of another Rumbelow!! :-\
I believe his grandparents are Samuel Rumbelow and Sarah Neale and wondered if Richard is a son from another of their offspring.
Can anyone confirm who his parents actually are?
Many thanks
Alison
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Hi Alison,
I think I can see Richard in 1841 at Mildenhall:
Rhd Rumbelow, 15, Male servant, born in county
on the farm headed by a Sarah Williamson HO107/1027/14 20 3
Not much help, is it? :P Have you considered purchasing his marriage certificate to find out his father's name?
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Hi
I would think the best thing would be to get his marriage certificate as that should show his fathers name.
Rosie
Sorry Tati
I didn't get a message about another post either ???
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Transcribed Rhed Rumbelow?? HO107/1027/14 Folio 20 Page 3 Worlington, Mildenhall, Suffolk, age 15 MS Y in house of Farmer Sarah Williamson and family
Regards
Cat
Sorry Tati, a message didn't come up this time saying an answer had already been posted :-\
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In some census Richard gives p.o.b. as Mildenhall
IGI has
Christenings -extracted
both baptised on same day
Richard Rumbelow
Samuel Rumbelow
10 Dec 1826 Mildenhall Suffolk
Parents John Rumbelow/Susan
possibility for Richard in 1841?
1841
Mildenhall Suffolk
(address on previous page looks like Ferry hall)
Sarah Williamson 40 farmer
sarah 20
Charles 20
Hannah Fuller 20 dressmaker
Richd Rumbelow 15 M.S.
Martha Marley 10 F.S.
Isaac Marley 40 Milkman
all b in county
HO107 1027 14 20 3
Suz
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Suz
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Hi,
Thanks all.
Suz - is the info for bapt. on the Parish Records and if so, do you know where I can get a copy.
Many thanks and regards
Alison
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the christenings were from the IGI which can be viewed (free) at www.familysearch.org
source given is
Bishops Transcripts for the archdeaconry of Sudbury 1560-1853
the record is transcribed so is most possibly correct (allowing for transcription errors)
On the IGI you have to treat "member submitted" records with caution - sometimes they are nothing more than a guess
Suz
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Thank you, have found the whole family
Regards
Alison
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alijet
Was Nathan Rumbelow one of your family, he was of Mildenhall apparently?
He died on the 8th August 1846, having walked 4 miles the previous day. He served under Rodney 60 years previously.
The Ipswich journal reports on his death it its edition of Saturday August 15th.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Yes he was thank you for this wonderful snippet of info.
Kind Regards
Alison
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alijet,
Just for your records the full report reads:
The Ipswich Journal Saturday, August 15, 1846
8th inst., at the advanced age of 96, Nathan Rumbelow, of Mildenhall. The deceased was in the forces under renowned Admiral Rodney, upwards of 60 years since; and within a few days of his death walked a distance of four miles without assistance.
This would mean that he was a sailor, and fought with Admiral Rodney against the French in the American War of Independence.
There are a number of entries for Rumbelow in the newspaper-in Mildenhall, where one was a constable, at Freckingham
Unfortunately due to the fact that the newspaper reported mostly on local events, there are numerous court reports, but also BMD. There are also adverts for the sale of property-a Philip Rumbelow of Bramford for instance.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Is there anyway I can get access to all this info on line. Philip is also an ancestor, to follow up with news reports would be brillaint
Thanks again and regards
Alison
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alijet,
All that info comes from 48 British national newspapers available from gale Databases, but available online at Lancashire Library.
Yes easy-if in Uk, or abroad, go to
http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/onrl/
You will see the database on the right of the screen. You have to join the library first, yes join it as you would any other library. They send you a library ticket, with a serial number upon it and use that number to gain access. You do have to give you home address, so they can send you the library ticket. If abroad, then they send you the ticket number online. It's all explained on the website. It's very addictive.
I did find that a John Rumbelow went to prison at Bury in 1826 for having children chargeable to the parish.
The Ipswich Journal Saturday, October 27, 1827
Commitments to Bury Gaol:
John Rumbelow and James Thomson, by Robert Eagle Esq., convicted of misdemeanors in the parish of Mildenhall, in wilfully permitting their families to become chargeable; to be imprisoned 14 days.
There are now confined in this Gaol 135 prisoners, including 20 debtors, which is an increase of 13 from corresponding period in 1826-twelve are for conviction under game laws.
Just as well that doesn't happen now-the prisons would be full!!
I also found that the wife of a John Rumbelow, farmer died:
The Ipswich Journal Saturday, October 22, 1881
Rumbelow, 17inst.,at Freckenham, at advanced age, Mrs Rumbelow, relict of Mr. John Rumbelow, farmer.
Tom
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Hi Tom,
Thanks, I'll set this up now. I'm going to have great fun.
Regrards
Alison
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I can probably help with Richard Rumbelow. I will have a marriage cert if you want to contact me directly. His father was John and he was buried on the 11 Oct, 1847. Just beforde Richard married on the 8th Nov, 1847. Send me your email as I am not sure how to give you a copy of the certificate. This family is married through out my family, and I can probably help you lots. Judy
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Hi Judy,
Thanks for this my email is (*).
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I am connected to the same family by the looks of it - Your Richard Rumbelow is my Great Great Grandfather. New member though could you send me a PM for a chat?
Thanks,
Sall x
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Did you know that the Australian branch of the Rumbelows left Mildenhall in the mid 19th century and ended up at Victor Harbor (Adelaide) that was called Rumbelowtown? It was a successful whaling community for many years - my Australian namesake Matt Rumbelow has all the details including the original ship's log...
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Hi Richard, I sure did. I have done a lot of work on the Rumbelow family, amongst others from Mildenhall and Lakenheath areas. If you need anything let me know. Judy (Australia)
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I'm completely new to this. I've been researching John Taylor of Eriswell, my grandfather on my mother's side. He is the son of John Taylor and Rebecca Taylor (nee Rumbelow) who married on 23.07.1887. She in turn is the daughter of Richard Rumbelow and Mary Ann Rumbelow (nee Reynolds), born 14.04.1865 in West Row Mildenhall. Rebecca had two boys, John Taylor (my grandfather) and William. She died 12.06.1889 as a result of her clothes catching fire. I have found newspaper articles from the time. Her mother (Mary Ann Rumbelow) was staying with them at the time in Cemetery Road, and was just about to leave for London (Rebecca was making a cup of tea on the hearth and also attending to John), when the back of her dress caught fire.
My mother thought that John Taylor junior was born on 11.12.1888, but this doesn't look right based on census records and other information. I think that he was probably conceived before the marriage, and may well have been born before the marriage. My mother understood that he was either born or spent his early years in the East End of London. Census information of John Taylor senior shows him living alone at Cemetery Road in 1891, i.e. after Rebecca died. I assume that the two boys were at that time living with their grandmother Mary Ann Rumbelow, and that this was in the East End of London, although I have no evidence for this. John Taylor senior remarried on 05.12.1891 to Hannah Cooper and they went on to have 4 children (Frederick, Arthur, Margaret and Eric). The 1901 census shows John Taylor senior and Hannah living with the 6 children at Rakeheath Cottage, Eriswell. John Taylor junior stated age at the census date was 14, (suggesting he was born between 30.03.1886 and 31.03.1887).
I have been unable to find John Taylor junior birth records Have you any ideas on this? Also, more generally what do you know of the Rumbelow family history. I am planning to go to Mildenhall later this year to visit local churches etc. Do you know of anything I could look for?
John Taylor junior joined the army aged 15 (circa 1902). He was a farrier / horseman and fought right through the First World War on the western front (Ypres). He married Elsie May Robberts on 26.01.1916 at Ringwood parish church (Hampshire), having apparently met in Melton Mowbray. Elsie May already had two daughters (Phyllis and Ena) and John and Elsie May went on to have 5 more children (Sybil, my mother, Edwin, Hazel, Michael and Beryl). John Taylor died 31.03.1942 in Ringwood of emphesyma.
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Hi, I know that John Taylor was baptised on the 4th Sep 1887 at St Marys Mildenhall, Suffolk to John and Rebecca Taylor. They also had another son William Spencer Taylor baptised on the 1st July 1888 at the same church. I also know that Rebecca Taylor was buried on the 15th Jun 1889. 2nd marriage 5th Dec 1891 at Mildenhall, John labourer a widower of Mildenhall son of Reuben deceased labourer & Hannah single woman aged 22 of Mildenhall daughter of Cowell Cooper farm labourer. Regards Judy
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Well, I'm amazed at the information on this site. John Taylor was baptised 04.09.1887 and his parent (John and Rebecca) married 23.07.1887. That confirms that she was either (heavily) pregnant with John when they married, or he was born prior to the wedding. I guess that you don't know his birth date, but this suggests that he was indeed born local to Mildenhall. It's odd that there is no birth record for him, unless I am missing something. Maybe he was registered John Rumbelow if he was born prior to the wedding?? From the thread here, the interest is on the Rumbelow side of the family. I'm about to order birth certificate for John Taylor senior (born O-D 1867). His parents were Reuben Taylor (labourer) and Alice? Taylor (nee Elsegood). Does anyone have any information about these people?
Many thanks for these fascinating insights.
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John Taylor's birth was registered in Mildenhall J-M 1887, i.e. before his parents were married. He is registered as John Taylor Rumbelow. I've ordered the birth certificate, plus a number of others of based on information from this site.
Many thanks
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Hi all, a couple of articles about Richard Rumbelow-just wonder if they are connected to your relative?
Bury Free Press - Saturday 09 July 1881
NEWMARKET AUCTION MART
Bury St. Edmund's and Mildenhall WEST ROW AND WILDE STREET, MILDENHALL, SUFFOLK. ELIGIBLE SMALL INVESTMENTS, comprising21 SUBSTANTIALLY ERECTED COTTAGES, WITH CONVENIENT OUTBUILDINGS, GARDENS, and ALLOTMENTS of LAND, producing an annual rental of £8O per annum, which MESSRS. WILLIAMS AND WOOD Are favoured with instructions from the surviving Trustee under the will of the late Mr. JOHN ROLFE and Mrs. ANN ROLFE, to Sell by Auction, on MONDAY, July 11th, 1881, at the Plough Inn, West Row, at Six o’clock in the Evening, in the following lots :
Lot 1. A Freehold, Brick, Stone, and Tiled DWELLING HOUSE and SHOP, with COTTAGE adjoining, situate at West Row, Mildenhall, with convenient Outbuildings, Well of Water, and Gardens front and rear, containing 33 poles, now occupied by John Crick and James Brown, at yearly rents amounting to £9 10«.
Lot 2. A Stone and Thatched COTTAGE, and a Cottage Wasted, situate at Bagsham, West Row, with large piece of Garden Ground, the whole containing by the Parish Survey 30 Poles.
Lot 3. All those FOUR Freehold Stud, Plastered and Thatched COTTAGES, situate at West Row, with Outbuildings and Gardens, Well of Water, and other conveniences, abutting upon the Street, containing by the Parish Survey 22 Poles, now occupied by S. Rumbelow and others, at rents amounting to £lO 18s. per annum.
Lot 4. TWO Freehold Stud, Plaster, Partly Tiled and Partly Thatched COTTAGES, with Boarded Outbuildings, abutting upon the roadway, containing by the Parish Survey 17 Poles, now occupied by J. Hood and J. Pitches, at the yearly rent of £8 15s.
Lot 5 All that Freehold ALLOTMENT GARDEN GROUND, situate West Row, opposite Lot 3, containing by the Parish Survey 1 Rood and 26 Poles, now occupied by J. Hood and others.
Lor 6. All those three-stud plastered and thatched TENEMENTS, situate West Row, Mildenhall, with gardens, well of water, and convenient outbuildings, now occupied by Richard Rumbelow and others, at rents amounting to £8 12s. per annum ; also a stone and thatched COTIAGE adjoining, occupied by Hannah Coe, at the yearly rent of £2 10s.
Lot 7. All that substantially-erected brick, stone, and thatched COTTAGE, with large garden well planted with fruit trees and bushes, and containing by the said survey 26 poles, now occupied by Thomas Rumbelow, the yearly rental of £4 5s.Lot 8. All those two substantially-erected freehold brick, stone, and tiled COTTAGES, with boarded and thatched lodges; also a brick and thatched COTTAGE adjoining, occupied by George Aves and two others, at rents amounting to Is. per annum; adjoining are two stud and thatched COTTAGES, with outbuildings, large barn, and capital piece of Garden Ground, now tenanted by Charles Mason and others, at rents amounting to £9 10s. per annum.
Tom
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Now something about the death of a John Rumbelow at his mother's hands.
Cambridge Independent Press - Saturday 30 October 1847
Littleport—More Poisoning.—On Monday last, an inquest was holden at Littleport, before W. Marshall, Esq., on the body of an infant named John Rumbelow, 17 months old, who had died from an overdose of laudanum, given him by his mother. The woman, who appeared to be in a destitute condition, and came into gaol in a very filthy state, says she had no idea she had given the child too much ; but she was committed for trial at the next Cambridgeshire assizes, on the charge of killing and slaying her son, John Rumbelow, by administering to him certain poison called laudanum."
Cambridge Chronicle and Journal - Saturday 25 March 1848
CAMBRIDGESHIRE ASSIZES
MANSLAUGHTER. Mary Rumbelow, aged 22, wife of William Rumbelow, of Littleport, was indicted for the manslaughter of her child, John Rumbelow, by administering sixty drops of laudanum. Mr. Worlledge prosecuted; the prisoner was undefended. Sophia Fyson, a very old woman, with whom prisoner lodged in October, said the child was very cross and never well, and prisoner used to give it stuff to make it sleep. Prisoner said she was going for Godfrey's cordial, but she brought laudanum back, and gave the child teaspoonful. Next day the child died. By the Judge She meant to do it no harm: she was very loving over her child. Robert Cheesewright, grocer, &c., of Littleport, sold prisoner a penny-worth of laudanum, about 160 drops, a large teaspoonful. Bought the laudanum in London, and believed it to be of the usual strength.—By the Judge: She had had laudanum before, and had also sent for Godfrey's cordial; an ounce of Godfrey's cordial or four teaspoonsful, was a dose for a grown-up person. Wright Laxton, surgeon, of Littleport, examined the body of the child. Found the lungs highly inflamed : there was extravasated blood, and also tubercles : in other respects the child appeared healthy, as far as be examined: examined only the chest and bowels ; did not examine the head. His Lordship directed an acquittal, and expressed his regret that the woman had been kept in prison since last October, upon charge of having feloniously caused the death of her child, when there really was no sort of foundation for the charge.
Tom
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My ancestor, Angus MacDonald, would have been a shipmate of Nathan Rumbelow(Ironic name) serving under Admiral Rodney. I saw a newspaper article discussing a Mr. Turner, who claimed to be the last surviving person serving under Rodney. I think Nathan Rumbelow beat him by a year or two. What did he do for a living after he returned home?
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Hi Greg,
Well the 1841 Census does list Nathan aged 80, but doesn't give his occupation. According to a newspaper article in the Bury and Norwich Post - Wednesday 10 February 1808 which was dealing with an enclosure act, Nathan is listed as having a messuage: An Act for inclosing Lands in the Parish of Mildenhall, in the County of Suffolk "One other public carriage and drift road, of the breadth of 40 feet, (except where it passes between old inclosures) called the Lakenheath Road, beginning at or near the messuage in the tenure of Nathan Rumbelow, and proceeding in its present track between the high lands and the fen dolvers to the South-east corner of Holywell Green.
He is also listed as subject of some land tax, and was in the list UK, Poll Books and Electoral Registers, 1538-1893 for Lidgate Mildenhall.
County of Suffolk Watch, Parish of Beck Row, Mildenhall for the granting an aid to his majesty by a Land Tax to be raised in Great Britain for the service of year 1798.
No of Register, Name of Proprietors, Names of Occupiers, Sums Assessed, Date of Contract