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This is going to be a complicated Hunt this week, but James knows this and has an alternate if it becomes too difficult. Please read Post 1 and Post 2 before going ahead.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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Apologies if this is rather lengthy but an outline of the family needs to be shown first. It is a rather complicated one this week!
Anyhow, here it is:
Lodington/Edwards
My 2nd Great Grandmother Mary Edwards married William Hold on 2 August 1880 at the Parish Church at St. Mary, Newington, Surrey. Her father is indicated as Beverley Edwards. Witnesses to the marriage were Beverley Edwards and Buley Edwards.
Beverley Edwards is actually Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington and he was born in 1826 in Harwich, Essex. He married Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis on 26 September 1848 at Trinity Church, Lambeth, Surrey. His father is Thomas Edward Lodington. Witnesses to the marriage were Sarah Avery and Ellen Lodington.
Beverley Lodington is found with his father Thomas Lodington, mother Mary and sister Bessie on the 1841 census in Gee Street, St. Luke, Finsbury. At the time of his marriage to Eleanor Millis, he is resident at Carlisle Street, Lambeth and is a Sailor.
HO107/668/5/ En. Sch. 7 Page 6
At the 1851 census he is living with his wife Eleanor at 40 Gravel Lane, Christ Church, Southwark and working as a Waiter.
HO107/1557/420/51
After this, everything starts to become interesting.
Two children are born before the 1861 census but after the 1851 census:
1. Edward Melville Richard Lodington - born March Quarter 1852 in Poplar Registration District; died March Quarter 1853, St. George Southwark R.D.
2. Beverley Edwards Thomas Richard Lodington - born September Quarter 1853 in Poplar.
At the time of the 1861 census, Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington is resident at 7 Bedford Place, Walworth (and now a Potman). However, he is now called Beverley Edwards and is living with Buley Edwards (more about her below), his eldest son Beverley (now also surnamed Edwards) and 4 other children:
3. Mary Edwards - born about 1855, Newington (my 2nd Great Grandmother mentioned above)
4. Thomas Edwards - born about 1856, Newington
5. Candler Edwards - born about 1858, Newington
6. Elizabeth Edwards - born about 1859, Newington
In 1871 (RG10/611/100/7) they are now living at 74 Wellington Street, St. Mary Newington (Beverley is now a Broker) with 3 more children:
7. Buley Edwards - born 8 December 1861 at 7 Bedford Place, Alfred Place, St. Peter Walworth, Newington. She is daughter of Beverley Edwards and Buley Gerrard
8. Ellen Edwards - born about 1863, Newington
9. Matilda Elly Edwards - born June Quarter 1867, Newington
In 1881 they are resident at 129 East Street, Newington (Beverley is a Carman and Broker) in 1891 and 1901 they are at 181a Peckham Park Road, Peckham (Beverley is a Furniture Dealer).
Buley is noted as wife in all census except the 1881 where she said to be Niece (with a rather non-committal mark in the Marriage column for her)
Now to the searches I am after:
1. Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington's christening (perhaps in Harwich -- his eldest brother Edward Clarence Lodington was born and christened in France whilst his other older brother Candler Lodington was born At Sea but no christening has been found for him either) so I can prove who his mother was
2. Did Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington marry Buley Gerrard? - I cannot find any proof they did
3. What happened to Beverley's wife Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis? - I can find no death, or any trace of her after the 1851 census
4. The children Mary, Thomas, Candler and Elizabeth Edwards cannot be found on FreeBMD (although I may have found Mary) -- who was their mother?
5. Was the son Beverley Edwards Thomas Richard Lodington, later Edwards, the son of the wife Eleanor?
6. When did Buley Edwards aka Gerrard die?
7. Ultimately, any thoughts about why Beverley Lodington changed his surname. Was it due to the presumed living in-sin with Buley Edwards?
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Part 2.
I also have some other things to search for, just in case these are too difficult:
Thomas Edward Lodington (father of Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington) apparently married someone by the name of Mary Ellen. I cannot find a marriage for this couple. However, I also have reference to him being married to Ann Burrell on 16 July 1817 at Kirk Ella, Yorkshire. Ann died on 4 October 1865 in Edmonton R.D., London but was buried in Woking cemetery, Surrey. I did find her in one of the census but not with her husband.
Can someone find his marriage to Mary Ellen (and is Ellen her surname or a middle name?) and also check the marriage to Ann Burrell?
Thomas Edward Lodington was also an Ensign (later a Lieutenant) in the 53rd Regiment of Foot and was a cripple by 1834 (he was indicted for simple grand larceny at the Old Bailey). He seems to have served abroad (his eldest son was born in Paris on 22 June 1820), probably in France.
Any further information about his army career would be of great help. Was he perhaps injured in battle?
Was his being found guilty of the above crime (he was respited due to his ill health) another reason why his son Beverley may have changed his surname?
The Lodington family were quite well respected (a line of Clergyman, some clerks, some merchants and even a solicitor), so a downturn in this branch may well have been a big reason for a change of surname.
If anyone finds any of the above too difficult to check, I can come up with further enquiries related to the same family. In fact, anything related to the Lodingtons is most useful. It is almost a one-name study in its own right for me now.
One final note to help you all. The surname has been found as Lodington, Loddington, Ledington, Ludington, Luddington and Liddington. Maybe a few others as well.
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Hi,
have you been able to find out what Thomas Edward Lodington's regimental number was?
If he was invalided out there will be records available in the National Archives or rather there should be.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
however although there are over 2000 entires for the 53rd there are none for LODINGTON and I would have expected as an officer that he would have been recorded.
Will look at some other sites to see if I can find him.
http://www.lightinfantry.org.uk/regiments/ksli/shrop_museum.htm
is a point to start.
also http://books.google.com.au/books?id=AMJa2uGxWrcC&pg=RA1-PA773&lpg=RA1-PA773&dq=%22Thomas+Edward++lodington%22&source=bl&ots=K__l83hiXg&sig=GNCUXMk3rUCxyfJ3jWWSq-rLDlQ&hl=en&ei=NyDUSp7tOcv-kAWHtID-DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Thomas%20Edward%20%20lodington%22&f=false
for 1847 where his pension is taken away.
There is a 1848 will fro a Thomas Lodington in the National Archives.
good hunting all
Robyn
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The Thomas Lodington who died in 1848 was a former "Secondary in the Court of Common Pleas" aged 87, Per The Era of 29 October
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Thomas Edward Lodington of Little Surrey Street was buried 15 September 1845 at St George the Martyr, Southwark.
His marriage to Ann Burrell took place at St George Hanover Square, July 16 1817
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Hi James.....
You can probably access this one...... ;)
Mary Edward baptised 11th June 1873 at St Anne, South Lambeth.
Parents = Beverly Edward and Boley Edward.
Dee
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PLEASE NOTE
Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis was christened on 18 November 1832 at St. Mark the Evangelist, Clerkenwell, London (and was likely born in Eliza Place, Sadler's Wells, Clerkenwell).
This should have been added to the second post.
Sorry.
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how did i miss this ?
:)
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Another daughter for Thomas E:
Delphine Catherine Prior Schwartz Lodington
Bap 11 April 1834 St Dunstan, Stepney
Parents Thomas Edward, Gent., and Mary
Buried St Leonard Shoreditch, April 1835 aged 2 years 3 months. Abode St Mathw Bethnal Green
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;D ;D ;D
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FreeBMD certainly doesn't reveal a marriage for Beverley and Buley for me either.....can see the marriage to Eleanor. :-\
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Re BMD at sea have you checked the overseas BMD index on familyrelatives.com?
in my opinion familyrelatives.com is a difficult site and nothing must be posted on here that is found on there due to breach of copyright.
East Anglia has a strong non-conformist section have you cheked the http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ for the non conformists?
in my opinion it is expensive to actually view the image.
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as you have managed to find Buley Edwards b. 1862 (according to the GRO) then presumably you have this mariage
Name: Buley Edwards
Age: 24
William Frederick Mann
21
13 Apr 1887
Saint Mary, Newington
Father Name: Beverly Edwards
Spouse Father Name: William Mann
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You probably have this too, James.....
The IGI has a submitted record of a marriage of another son of Thomas Edward Lodington, one Candler Lodington born c 1825. The marriage is to a Fanny Barnes on 12th August 1850 at St John's, Waterloo, Surrey.
Only submitted, but following it up on FreeBMD, in the September Quarter of 1850 in the district of Lambeth, there are entries for Candler Lodington and Fanny Barns, 4/301
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Re: Candler Edwards b. crica 1858
Name: William Candler Edwards
Birth: Sep 1857 - St George Southwark, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 143
there is also this one but i think he maybe too late AND he has the wrong parents AND he has a H in Candler whilst William above doesn't :
Name: John Chandler Edwards
bp. 6 Jan 1860
Father's Name: John Edwards
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Edwards
Saint Anne, Limehouse Tower Hamlets
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Thomas Edward Lodington
(he was indicted for simple grand larceny at the Old Bailey).
Was his being found guilty of the above crime
I viewed the actual image and yes he was found GUilty
(modified)
Aged 37. - Recommended to mercy by the Jury and Prosecutor. - Judgment Respited .
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I see Buley G Edwards has kept the G in her name for Gerrard
so born circa 1825 Bridport
assuming :o she is this one:
Bula Gerrard
Christening Date: 23 May 1824 @ Stoke-Abbas, Dorset, England
Father: Stephen Gerrard
Mother: Elizabeth
what was the last sighting of her? the 1891 census ? i cannot see her in 1911
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Have you thought about Mary being registered as Gerrard?
Mary Jane Gerrard
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 480a
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so a simple sear of Thomas Edward Lodington brigs up the following (some you have but thought would post all in one place ): :)
London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
Thomas Edward Lodington
born circa 1797
Death: 15 Sep 1845 - Southwark
Beverley Edwards Thomas Richard Lodington
Birth: Sep 1853 - Poplar
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Beverly Turton [sic] Edward Lodington
Spouse: Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis
Father: Thomas Edwards Lodington
Birth: abt 1848
Marriage: 26 Sep 1848 - Lambeth,
Delpine Catherine Prior Schwartz Lodington
Mother: Mary Lodington
Father: Thomas Edward Lodington
Birth: 11 Apr 1834 - Tower Hamlets, Middlesex
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Candler Lodington
Spouse: Fanny Barns
Father: Thomas Edward Lodington
Birth: abt 1850
Marriage: 12 Aug 1850 - Lambeth, Middlesex :-\
strange thing there with the years
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Bessie Cannter Ellen Lodington
Spouse: Gottlieb John Richards
Father: Thomas Edward Lodington
Birth: abt 1855
Marriage: 5 Mar 1855 - City of London, London
ditto
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I'll be back on later (at work now)
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Thomas Edward Lodington is mentioned in the
The United service magazine, Volume 1847
Military Promotions page 773
i think its dated 1830
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Greetings all.
Thanks firstly for the look-ups. I do know a lot about my Lodingtons but anything new is always welcomed. It also seems you have some different sources to me, which is always useful.
A few things:
I know about most of the children of Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington but apart from one child, Buley Edwards, I have yet to determine who the mother is. I presume the eldest two, who seem to have been born with the surname Lodington, were children of Eleanor. I do have a FreeBMD reference to order a certificate for Beverley Edwards Thomas Richard Lodington (who incidently also is known as Beverley Edwards).
Buley Gerrard/Edwards is still alive in 1901 and is living at 181a Peckham Park Road, Peckham. The same address as the family were resident in 1891.
Beveley died in 1902, so he would not be on the 1911. I have yet to actually check any 1911 extracts though.
Yes, Buley Gerrard is the one christened 23 May 1824 at Stoke Abbot, Dorset and daughter of Stephen Gerrard and Betty Whetham.
It still does not seem that this couple married though. Buley was from a much poorer background than his wife Eleanor too.
As for Thomas Edward Lodington, well I know a lot less about him. I know he was found guilty at the Old Bailey and respited (and was said to be a cripple) but he didn't didn't die until 1845. He was buried 15 September 1845 at St. George the Martyr, Southwark and was resident of Little Surrey Street as you have already mention.
It is his army career I am trying to seek more information about. I have this, if this helps:
Army career:
Commissioned on 25 May 1815 in 4th Regiment of Foot
Half-pay: 29 June 1820 (53rd Regiment of Foot) exchanged with Ensign John Charles Barkley.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS COURT
Thomas Edward LODDINGTON, an ensign of the 53rd regiment, on half-pay, whose
case has already been before the Court, was today again brought up to be
discharged.
The Court directed that he should pay 25 pounds per annum to his creditors
out of his half-pay and the insolvent was then discharged.
His half-pay was cancelled from the 26th October 1830, inclusive upon his receiving a commuted allowance for his commission.
I found some of this in The London Gazette. I also believe there maybe more mention of him in The Times but I do not have access to this resource.
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The Thomas Lodington who died in 1848 was a former "Secondary in the Court of Common Pleas" aged 87, Per The Era of 29 October
This is my my 5th Great Grandfather and the father of Thomas Edward Lodington (and his siblings). He died in Barnsbury Square., Islington and is found on the 1841 census with his son-in-law Manoel Joaquim Soares (a Portuguese born General Commissions Clerk -- a very interesting family as well!) and family, at Highbury Lodge, Islington.
I am also trying to determine whether this is the same Thomas Lodington who appears to have been a Solicitor. His name appears quite a lot in The London Gazette but I have found little else out about him.
Whilst I am here, could someone perhaps take a quick browse of The Times, where there is mention of the marriage between Camilla Mary Basset Lodington and Manoel Joaquim Soares on 28 August 1824 at St. George, Bloomsbury, London. I do not have access to the archive but noticed that this marriage was mentioned when I looked the other day on the GALE Archive. It may not enlighten me any further but any new information is always welcomed.
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Hi,
have you been able to find out what Thomas Edward Lodington's regimental number was?
If he was invalided out there will be records available in the National Archives or rather there should be.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
however although there are over 2000 entires for the 53rd there are none for LODINGTON and I would have expected as an officer that he would have been recorded.
Will look at some other sites to see if I can find him.
http://www.lightinfantry.org.uk/regiments/ksli/shrop_museum.htm
is a point to start.
also http://books.google.com.au/books?id=AMJa2uGxWrcC&pg=RA1-PA773&lpg=RA1-PA773&dq=%22Thomas+Edward++lodington%22&source=bl&ots=K__l83hiXg&sig=GNCUXMk3rUCxyfJ3jWWSq-rLDlQ&hl=en&ei=NyDUSp7tOcv-kAWHtID-DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Thomas%20Edward%20%20lodington%22&f=false
for 1847 where his pension is taken away.
There is a 1848 will fro a Thomas Lodington in the National Archives.
good hunting all
Robyn
Thanks for these links.
No, I do not have a regimental number for him.
I think he was commissioned anyhow. I know he was definitely an Ensign and was definitely in the 53rd Regiment of Foot. It also seems he started off in the 4th Regiment of Foot.
Perhaps he was transferred again?
He may not have been invalided out. It is just he was only in his 30s when he was said to be a cripple and unless something else happened, it seems likely he may have been injured in battle.
Having said that though, he was having children in the 1820s, one in Paris, one At Sea and one in Harwich (and a daughter who I cannot determine a birth place for yet). It does not appear that he went back abroad after this but he could well have. He obviously took his wife with him the first time.
Addendum: that is strange his pension was taken away 2 years after his death... he is also noted as an Ensign here. Perhaps he was never commissioned then. Is the date of 1847 correct?
Addendum2: this actually dates from 1830, which is a much better fit.
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a quick browse of The Times
That 1824 announcement says that the marriage was conducted by the Rev Francis Wm Lodington of Clare Hall Cambridge, that Camilla was the 4th daughter of Thomas, of Park Crescent, Portland Place
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a quick browse of The Times
That 1824 announcement says that the marriage was conducted by the Rev Francis Wm Lodington of Clare Hall Cambridge, that Camilla was the 4th daughter of Thomas, of Park Crescent, Portland Place
That ties in with the certificate I have seen. Rev. Francis William Lodington, B.D., M.A, B.A., rector of Brington and Bythorn, was a 1st Cousin 1 time removed of Camilla. In fact, his brother Rev. Henry John Lodington also oversaw a marriage for one of his cousins.
I did not have an address before though, so that helps.
Thank you for that.
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Thomas Edward Lodington of Little Surrey Street was buried 15 September 1845 at St George the Martyr, Southwark.
His marriage to Ann Burrell took place at St George Hanover Square, July 16 1817
Does this marriage indicate his middle name as being Edward or Edwards?
It is just I have christening details for two of his children and both indicate his wife was Mary Ellen.
EDWARD CLARENCE LODINGTON
Male
Born: 22 JUN 1820
Christening: 09 AUG 1820 British Embassy Chapel, Paris, Seine, France
Parents:
Father: THOMAS EDWARD LODINGTON
Mother: MARY ELLEN
He is the eldest child.
He was buried 8 November 1826 at Bunhill Fields Burial Ground, Finsbury, London and was of the City Road.
Then you have their youngest child, Delphine Catherine Prior Schwartz Lodington, who was christened 11 April 1834 at St. Dunstan, Stepney and was buried 9 April 1835, at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, London.
The 3 middle children I have no birth/christening details for at all.
Bessie Caunter Ellen Lodington was born circa 1821 (I have no idea where). She married Gottlieb John Richards on 5 March 1855 at St. Bride, Fleet Street. However, I cannot find them on any census. There is also a marriage for a Bessie Caunter Ellen Lodington and Thomas George Smith on 25 December 1842 at St. Mary at Lambeth, but I think this is just for Banns and the marriage may never have been consummated.
Can anyone check this for me?
Candler Lodington, was born circa 1824, At Sea. As previously mentioned, he married Fanny Barns (daughter of Edmund Barns, an Office Clerk)
Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington, was born circa 1826 in Harwich, Essex. His marriage certificate indicates his father as Thomas Edward Lodington.
So was Ann Burrell known as Mary Ellen, or was this yet another case of bigamy? Ann Burrell died on 4 October 1865 in Edmonton Registration District and was buried in Woking, Surrey.
I did find her in the 1841 census, living with her mother Mary Burrell: HO 107/341/9/10 page 8
No trace of her after that though, from what I can see.
This is also strange, because her supposed husband was still alive and living in London.
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Does this marriage indicate his middle name as being Edward or Edwards?
Yes, it's Edward. You can view a snippet of the printed book on Google Books
Hope this link works
http://www.rootschat.com/links/079r/
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Hi James.....
You can probably access this one...... ;)
Mary Edward baptised 11th June 1873 at St Anne, South Lambeth.
Parents = Beverly Edward and Boley Edward.
Dee
Oh!
If this is correct, then this was an adult christening. Mary Edwards married my 2nd Great Grandfather in 1880 and it clearly indicates her father as Beverley Edwards. She was born about 1855 in Newington.
Also, if this is indeed her, then this clearly indicates that she was the daughter of Buley and not of Eleanor (which makes me not related to Eleanor at all, which is as I expected).
This therefore means it is likely the two eldest children were born and christened with the surname Lodington, as children of his wife. Whilst all future children after this were known as Edwards, as they were children of Buley Gerrard.
The question still needs to be asked though: what happened to his wife?
Addendum: I just checked the image and it says it was an adult christening and gives her birth date as 9 December 1854. So this is indeed her!
Thanks, Dee. It takes other peoples eyes to often find something I had not. Especially as it is a source I have access to.
I still cannot find all the other children's birth registrations though...
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Does this marriage indicate his middle name as being Edward or Edwards?
Yes, it's Edward. You can view a snippet of the printed book on Google Books
Hope this link works
http://www.rootschat.com/links/079r/
Hmm, curiouser and curiouser.
This still begs the question who Mary Ellen is...
I do not believe there are two Thomas Edward Lodington's. All information seems to indicate just the one.
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Gottlieb John Richards (Bessie's husband) was sentenced to 4 years penal servitude in 1856 for stealing 6 skins of leather from his master George Hyde (!)
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?path=sessionsPapers%2F18561027.xml
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Re: Candler Edwards b. crica 1858
Name: William Candler Edwards
Birth: Sep 1857 - St George Southwark, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 143
there is also this one but i think he maybe too late AND he has the wrong parents AND he has a H in Candler whilst William above doesn't :
Name: John Chandler Edwards
bp. 6 Jan 1860
Father's Name: John Edwards
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Edwards
Saint Anne, Limehouse Tower Hamlets
Ah!
The first one could indeed be him. The name Candler is especially uncommon and is one that pops up in the Lodington family a few times. Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington had a brother called Candler Lodington.
I have no idea where the name originated from though. I suppose it could have come down his mother's line but I have yet to get further with this.
I shall note this down and will probably get the certificate eventually.
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Gottlieb John Richards (Bessie's husband) was sentenced to 4 years penal servitude in 1856 for stealing 6 skins of leather from his master George Hyde (!)
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?path=sessionsPapers%2F18561027.xml
Ah, maybe that is why I haven't been able to find him on the census! This was only a year into his marriage too!
His wife should still be around though.
Thanks, Shaun.
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I don't suppose somebody could also check the GALE Newspaper Archive for any Lodingtons?
I am fairly sure there maybe some interesting notes in there. Especially as some of the family were clergyman, solicitors, clerks in the Bank of England &c.
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If you just put Lodington into the Gale archives there are loads of hits.
I think you really need to get access to it yourself.
One jumped out to me dated 26/3/1836 in deaths Ann wife of Thomas Lodington age 65, no further information given.
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Thanks, Jay.
I did presume there would be a lot of hits.
I shall try and narrow down the search criteria.
Any hits for Thomas Lodington and Thomas Edward Lodington would be useful. Plus any marriage notices.
I am experiencing Internet problems right now, so I cannot do any searches whatsoever. Hopefully later this evening all will be fine again.
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I can't see anything for Thomas Edward. Two for Thomas, the death of Ann and his own death in 1848 you already have.
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If you just put Lodington into the Gale archives there are loads of hits.
I think you really need to get access to it yourself.
One jumped out to me dated 26/3/1836 in deaths Ann wife of Thomas Lodington age 65, no further information given.
This is Ann Day, wife of Thomas Lodington (my 5th Great Grandfather). They married on 20 September 1791 at St. George the Martyr, Queen Square, Holborn.
I do not know anything further about her though. Although now I know she was born about 1771. I did not have her death date until now, so this is useful.
Maybe it is a coincidence but their son William Stewart Lodington married Sarah Day on 4 November 1820 at St. John the Baptist, Clerkenwell. She was born about 1800 in Yeovil, Somerset (according to the Census). She had a sister named Harriet Day who married Aaron Saul on 14 November 1820 at St. John the Baptist, Clerkenwell (so just 10 days after Sarah).
This Harriet Day was born circa 1802 in Kent Road, London (very specific birthplace) according to the 1851 census.
Now is she a relative of her mother-in-law Ann Day?
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my 5th Great Grandfather and the father of Thomas Edward Lodington (and his siblings).
Did Thomas the elder have anything to say about Beverley in his Will? I see from the death duty index that Manual Soares was the leading executor.
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I have yet to check that will. It is something I need to check.
What was the source for it, by the way? I did find some Lodington wills ages ago but that one was not listed, I don't think. I have seen mention of it elsewhere.
Also, where does it mention the Death Duty?
If Manoel Joaquim Soares is mentioned though, that pretty much confirms that he is the right Thomas Lodington.
However, I suspect that maybe Beverley was not accounted for... and if he was, his father may not have been (just a hunch; he was found guilty of grand larceny after all -- especially as I believe this Thomas Lodington, his father, was the solicitor mentioned in the London Gazette).
Beverley changed his surname to Edwards too (probably not officially) and I doubt that would have gone down too well with his grandfather.
Just in case anyone is confused:
Camilla Mary Basset Lodington, the wife of Manoel Joaquim Soares, was the daughter of Thomas Lodington and therefore a sister of Ens. Thomas Edward Lodington (and the previously mentioned William Stewart Lodington), as well as other siblings.
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The death duty indexes are viewable on findmypast. The ledgers themselves (which contain more information) are at the National Archives.
The will is downloadable from TNA for £3.50
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?queryType=1&resultcount=1&Edoc_Id=133362
Just found Candler Loddington in the 1871 census for Poplar age 47 - he gives his birthplace as "Alantic Sea"
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Shaun,
Thanks for that.
I have now found the will and will order it later, as I have to pop out now. I shall also order two other Lodington wills. Both hopefully ancestors. One is another Thomas Lodington (hopefully the grandfather of the aforesaid) and one for a John Lodington, of Washingborough, Lincolnshire. My ancestor, Rev. Isaac Lodington, vicar of Aylesbury, was born in Washingborough and was the son of a John Lodington but the dates differ slightly between the will and the death dates of this John Lodington. But the location of Washingborough is promising.
What's the reference for that 1871 census entry?
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Hi Scavenger's,
Am finally back on rootschat after nearly a year! have full access again to websites so will see what can come up with, good to be back
David
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Candler (1824-ish) and Frances (and daughter Frances) can be found in 1871 on RG10/573/10/20
If you are looking on Ancestry, they have it mistranscribed as Saddington
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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Candler Lodington
Spouse: Fanny Barns
Father: Thomas Edward Lodington
Birth: abt 1850
Marriage: 12 Aug 1850 - Lambeth, Middlesex :-\
strange thing there with the years
ditto
1851 (8 Vine Terrace, St John's, Waterloo) - Candler Williams - 27 - seaman - born at sea with Fanny aged 24, his wife. HO107/1570 228/28
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James to quote yourself in message 28 regarding Mary's date of birth.
'Addendum: I just checked the image and it says it was an adult christening and gives her birth date as 9 December 1854. So this is indeed her!'
So what about the birth I found in March qtr 1855 for Mary Gerrard?
Mary Jane Gerrard
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 480a
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Hi,
noted that Candler Williams - 27 - seaman - born at sea
I agree with an earlier post that the marine BDM's may need to be searched and possibly someone may need to go through the records for both regiments, particularly the birth, marriage and deaths which, I think from past searching, do not show up in any other form of Government record.
Regimental history will tell you where the regiments were in the time period you are looking at, so this would give you an educated place of reference for the children's births. But unless their births are recorded in the regiements papers there may well be no other recod for them.
You could possibley find out where at sea Candler was born by looking at port ofcand date of departure anda arrival place/date.
Wish I was in the UK to look at my ancestor's military service records and find the births of his children in Dublin c 1819.(even his wife's name wouold be good!!!)
I found only two references to LODINGTON in the national archives Major John Lodongton 1812 and Henry John Madras army b 1798 d 1864.
good hunting
Robyn
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Candler (1824-ish) and Frances (and daughter Frances) can be found in 1871 on RG10/573/10/20
If you are looking on Ancestry, they have it mistranscribed as Saddington
Thanks. I'll take a look.
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James to quote yourself in message 28 regarding Mary's date of birth.
'Addendum: I just checked the image and it says it was an adult christening and gives her birth date as 9 December 1854. So this is indeed her!'
So what about the birth I found in March qtr 1855 for Mary Gerrard?
Mary Jane Gerrard
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 480a
That's a possibility. Although I would expect her birth registration to be in Newington or St. Saviour but as Camberwell is not too far away, then this could well be her.
There's no note of a middle name for her on any other record though. She's just Mary Edwards on her marriage certificate and her adult christening is just Mary too. Of course, that does not rule this entry out though.
Out by a few quarters, but:
Births Sep 1855
Edwards Mary
Newington
1d 202
That's a possibility too.
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Hi,
noted that Candler Williams - 27 - seaman - born at sea
I agree with an earlier post that the marine BDM's may need to be searched and possibly someone may need to go through the records for both regiments, particularly the birth, marriage and deaths which, I think from past searching, do not show up in any other form of Government record.
Regimental history will tell you where the regiments were in the time period you are looking at, so this would give you an educated place of reference for the children's births. But unless their births are recorded in the regiements papers there may well be no other recod for them.
You could possibley find out where at sea Candler was born by looking at port ofcand date of departure anda arrival place/date.
Wish I was in the UK to look at my ancestor's military service records and find the births of his children in Dublin c 1819.(even his wife's name wouold be good!!!)
I found only two references to LODINGTON in the national archives Major John Lodongton 1812 and Henry John Madras army b 1798 d 1864.
good hunting
Robyn
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that Candler Lodington was a seaman. I am sure I did find something about him in relation to his navy career somewhere but I cannot find this for the moment. I shall try and find it again.
I presume nobody has had any luck finding Eleanor Sarah Fortye Lodington (née Millis) after the 1851 census then?
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Hi all
here is some information on
ELIZABETH MARIA LODINGTON 6 March
1823, daughter of THOMAS LODINGTON and ANN DAY.
found here: http://66.43.27.42/th/read/JACKSON/1997-07/0869878154
from another aussie who mayhave a direct connection to Thomas and Ann.
regards
Robyn
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Hi all
here is some information on
ELIZABETH MARIA LODINGTON 6 March
1823, daughter of THOMAS LODINGTON and ANN DAY.
found here: http://66.43.27.42/th/read/JACKSON/1997-07/0869878154
from another aussie who mayhave a direct connection to Thomas and Ann.
regards
Robyn
That is an excellent find! I knew about the Jacksons but did not know one of them had emigrated to Australia. A son of William Stewart Lodington (John Day Lodington) also emigrated to Australia. He was a 1st cousin 1 time removed of Frederick William Jackson who emigrated to Australia.
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HI,
John Day Lodington's family may have settled in Victoria.
a Kenneth William son of John Day Lodington and Bridget McKenzie died in Brunswick Melbourne in 1927 aged 67. rego13393 est dob 1860
It gets quite interesting here
KENNETH William Lodington born KING GEORGES SOUND married Ellen Annie Jones in 1883 #3363 They had children
John Day 1885, Ellen Avona 1887, Cuthbert Joseph 1889, Alice Louvena 1891, Sarah 1893. Ellen Anie died aged 30 in 1894 and Kenneth then married Ann Robertson Short in 1897,
Kenneth William b 1897, Stewart Hugh b1900, George Edward 1902, Eugenie Jane 1904 and then Ann Short died in 1904.
marriages of their children then start to show up and can be traced.
KING GEORGES SOUND was an early penal settlement in Australia many of the british military served there in the early 1800's.
A Thomas Lodington and Catherine Porter had a son in Victoria JOHN in 1858 #3747 a John Lodington died in 1882 aged57 #2571 Thomas aged 75 in 1896 #8824 in Brunswick (surname idexed as Loddington.)
these can be searched for at a small fee and ordered for around $18 each on line from: https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home through the historical indexes.
They all seem to be connected and are the only Lodingtons in teh Victorian records.
I will explore other Australian records later and see what I can turn up.
I have some military sites and BDM's & newspapers to look at and it may take some time.
good hunting
Robyn
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I've come late to this hunt. :-\
I imagine you already have most, if not all of this James, but I will post anyway. You are looking for Eleanor Sarah Fortye Lodington (Millis) in 1861 .... This doesn't help find her but I was trying to approach this from a different angle ... :-\
1861
4 St James Cottages
St James Rd
Islington
William Fortye Millis head mar 36 licenced victualler b Middx Grays Inn Rd
Amelia Rebecca wife mar 35 b Middx Ratcliff
William C.F. son 7 b Surrey Southwark
Amelia A daur 6 b Middx Grays Inn Rd
Mariann Eleanor daur 2 b Middx Holloway
I thought this William may be the brother of Eleanor Millis, especially as one of his daughters gets the middle name Eleanor.
Extracted IGI records:
William Millis b 25 Mar 1825
chr 24 Jul 1825 Old Church, St Pancras
father John
mother Eliza
Eliza Fortye Millis
b 5 Jan 1823
chr 24 Aug 1823 Old Church St Pancra fahter John mother Eliza
Maybe: John Millis = Eliza Maunfield
30 Nov 1822 St Bride Fleet St
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Although it is especially difficult to read, Thomas Edward Lodington is mentioned in Thomas Lodington's Will (it was written in 1845, obviously before his son's death the same year).
No mention of the children though.
It does mention all the following, though:
Ann Ramsay (née Lodington), daughter.
Thomas Edward Lodington, son.
Meliora Down (née Lodington), daughter.
Henry Parker Lodington, son
William (Stewart) Lodington, son.
George Jackson, son-in-law.
Camilla Mary Basset Soares (née Lodington), daughter.
Sarah Ellen Bishop (née Lodington), daughter.
Francis William Lodington, nephew (although it actually seems he's a cousin)
Henry John Lodington, nephew (but not by name, only as "my dear nephew, his brother", which refers to Francis William Lodington)
It also mentions portraits of the father of Francis William and Henry John Lodington.
It also mentions a portrait given to Ann Ramsay of her brother Thomas.
If only there was a chance these portraits remained in the family... I can but hope somewhere they do.
By the way, I did not know Ann Lodington had married, so now I have a new lead on the Ramsay family to follow-up.
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Grasping at straws here, but I don't suppose :-\:
Deaths AMJ 1865
Millis Eleanor
St Olave
Southwark
1d 27
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HI,
John Day Lodington's family may have settled in Victoria.
a Kenneth William son of John Day Lodington and Bridget McKenzie died in Brunswick Melbourne in 1927 aged 67. rego13393 est dob 1860
Isabella Bridget McKenzie was born in Canada in 1835 and they married in Albany, Western Australia on 18 March 1854
It gets quite interesting here
KENNETH William Lodington born KING GEORGES SOUND married Ellen Annie Jones in 1883 #3363 They had children
John Day 1885, Ellen Avona 1887, Cuthbert Joseph 1889, Alice Louvena 1891, Sarah 1893. Ellen Anie died aged 30 in 1894 and Kenneth then married Ann Robertson Short in 1897,
Kenneth William b 1897, Stewart Hugh b1900, George Edward 1902, Eugenie Jane 1904 and then Ann Short died in 1904.
marriages of their children then start to show up and can be traced.
KING GEORGES SOUND was an early penal settlement in Australia many of the british military served there in the early 1800's.
A Thomas Lodington and Catherine Porter had a son in Victoria JOHN in 1858 #3747 a John Lodington died in 1882 aged57 #2571 Thomas aged 75 in 1896 #8824 in Brunswick (surname idexed as Loddington.)
these can be searched for at a small fee and ordered for around $18 each on line from: https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home through the historical indexes.
They all seem to be connected and are the only Lodingtons in teh Victorian records.
I will explore other Australian records later and see what I can turn up.
I have some military sites and BDM's & newspapers to look at and it may take some time.
good hunting
Robyn
I did not know about these latter Lodingtons. I shall try and determine who the above Thomas Lodington is, as well as his wife. It certainly is not my ancestor though.
Thanks again for finding these.
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Grasping at straws here, but I don't suppose :-\:
Deaths AMJ 1865
Millis Eleanor
St Olave
Southwark
1d 27
I'll try and check that. It looks interesting. No age though?
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I have now also checked the other two wills I purchased and one seems to be for my ancestor but he gives everything to his wife and it doesn't seem as if his wife made a will.
The other one is much more interesting and even names his father and two previously unknown brothers. He also seems to fit for being my ancestor. However, I have had to slightly rethink things, as it seems there are two Isaac Lodington, likely father and son (both who also seem to have wives called Ann). This I have suspected for a while, after finding an Isaac Lodington mentioned in The London Gazette which did not fit as Rev. Isaac Lodington.
Also, one of the sons of the younger Isaac, was called Bedford Lodington and if correct, his grandmother would have been Ann Bedford (the wife of Rev. Isaac Lodington).
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Grasping at straws here, but I don't suppose :-\:
Deaths AMJ 1865
Millis Eleanor
St Olave
Southwark
1d 27
I'll try and check that. It looks interesting. No age though?
No, no age, but I did check for births (thinking this may be the death of an infant) but I couldn't see an Eleanor Millis birth .... :-\
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It does look promising.
I shall put that on my order list too. I have not ordered certificates in ages though.
If this is her, she should be on the 1861 census.
n.b. there is a Marian Eleanor Millis though, who is the daughter of William Fortye Millis and Amelia Rebecca Kindell. She was born 10 October 1858 and christened 31 October 1858 at St. Martin in the Fields, Westminster.
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I MAY have found her on the 1861 census.
A few things tie-in.
RG9/356/153/26
We're referring to Eleanor S F Graham, aged 28, a widow, born Clerkenwell.
Although the age seems a bit out, her place of birth matches, as do the initials of S F. She could easily have said she was a widow, when she was not.
She is living with an 11 year old female cousin Emily, who I have no clue about. I am not even sure what her surname is. Any ideas?
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Surname 'E' something 'u' or 'n' ger?
Have you looked for Eleanor SF in earlier or later censuses yet? Might be difficult as she would probably be unmarried in 1851 and perhaps remarried by 1871.
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John Day Lodington son of Kenneth and Ellen Annie died in NSW in 1956 #7110.
also in NSW a Cuthbert H Lodington born to John D and Bridget in 1858 #1535
WA index http://www.dotag.wa.gov.au/ has to John Day Lodington and Bridget McKenzie: CAMILLA SARAH 1856 and
KENNETH WILLIAM 1860.
This will be the Kenneth William who married in Victoria KENNETH William Lodington born KING GEORGES SOUND married Ellen Annie Jones in 1883 #3363
KING GEORGE SOUND was in WEST AUSTRALIA.
So you can track John Day Lodington's travels in Australia: 1856 WA, 1858 NSW, 1860 WA
QLD https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au has CUTHBERT Lodington aged 56
deceased in 1915 #C1758 +dob 1859 ergo most probably son of John Day and Bridget born in NSW.
Could find nothing in Tasmania nor on the military rolls.
good luck
Robyn
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In fact, the age of Eleanor S F Graham is spot on. Eleanor (Sarah Fortye) Lodington (née Millis) was aged 18 in 1851.
I am fairly certain it is her.
Plus Lambeth is the right area too.
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Hi all
the portraits might still be around in a Lincolnshire Museum:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=9XNe0mLSJQAC&pg=PA161&lpg=PA161&dq=%22thomas+lodington%22+portrait&source=bl&ots=-PztEi-6nB&sig=2DnVreIUgs_yQy0wnS4gZQQ7Jc4&hl=en&ei=L1LVSsCOBpCOkQWphsX_DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22thomas%20lodington%22%20portrait&f=false
regards
Robyn
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That sounds very interesting Robyn. :) You'll have to chase that up James. :)
Re the Graham surname - why ???. Age is right. Area is right. Surname is wrong. Condition of "widow" is wrong. I wonder if she remarried a Mr Graham. :-\ Can't see anything likely on Freebmd.
But, Stranger things have happened. ;)
What is her occupation? Looks like "Stewardes".
Earlier I did look for a Graham marriage to an Eleanor SF but couldn't see anything likely. Others may be better searchers.
To be sure James, you will have to try to trace that Eleanor SF through the censuses.
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I am having problems trying to find a birth for Emily E*er around 1857 in Surrey. Freebmd is SO slow ... I will try later, or perhaps someone else may have better luck in the meantime.
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At The National Archives
"ADM 29/46/44
ADM 29 Admiralty: Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Coastguard and related services: Officers' and Ratings' Service Records (Series II)
Subseries within ADM 29 Navy Pay Office: Entry Books of Certificates of Service
ADM 29/46 Admiralty: ratings
Record Summary
Scope and content Original page number: 44
Candlen? LODINGTON; Rating; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: 18; Dates served: 8 January 1840-6 July 1850; Date and Type of Application: Whitehall 23 August 1850 "
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-4216919
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and in ADM/29/38/44
"James LODINGTON; Rating; Born: Harwich; Age on entry: 21; Dates served: 14 March 1846-6 July 1846; Date and Type of Application: Admiralty 12 February 1847 "
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=7&CATID=-4212241
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Lambeth Palace have records of Anglican clergymen
thought of something else too but now slipped my mind ::)
back later hopefully
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That sounds very interesting Robyn. :) You'll have to chase that up James. :)
Re the Graham surname - why ???. Age is right. Area is right. Surname is wrong. Condition of "widow" is wrong. I wonder if she remarried a Mr Graham. :-\ Can't see anything likely on Freebmd.
But, Stranger things have happened. ;)
What is her occupation? Looks like "Stewardes".
Earlier I did look for a Graham marriage to an Eleanor SF but couldn't see anything likely. Others may be better searchers.
To be sure James, you will have to try to trace that Eleanor SF through the censuses.
I'm not sure exactly why she would use the surname Graham. However, she could not remarry because she was not a widow and it is likely Beverley Lodington alias Edwards left her for Buley Gerrard. I doubt she wanted to be a bigamist (neither was her husband, as he never married Buley Gerrard).
Maybe she was doing the same as Beverley and covering her tracks by changing her surname. Millis is not as rare as the surname Lodington though.
If it is not her, then I have yet to come across a marriage that fits.
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I believe I'm making some inroads... not sure.
I came across reference to a Lt. Col. Sydney Ernest Lodington Baddeley earlier and whilst trying to decipher his ancestry, I did find something interesting, albeit not a direct link.
His uncle on his mother's side, a Lt. Col. Halkett F. Jackson, had a son named Maj. Mansel Halkett Jackson, M.C., D.S.O. Mansel married Lady Sheila Mary Scott, daughter of Rupert Charles Scott, 7th Earl of Clonmell and his wife, Rachel Estelle Berridge.
Now Rachel Estelle Berridge was the daughter of Samuel Berridge and Rachel Alice Caunter.
Caunter is a name found in my Lodington branch.
Also, the Maunsell family were ancestors of Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis.
Could this be a link?
Also, there is a Jackson family married into the Lodingtons but they do not seem to be related to these Jacksons, that I can see.
Addendum: one of the daughters of the 3rd Earl of Clonmell, Lady Rachel Mary Scott, married Lt. Llewellyn Traherne Bassett Saunderson.
Not only did the Saundersons marry into a much earlier branch of the Lodingtons (in Lincolnshire) but the name Bassett is the middle name of Camilla Mary Basset Lodington.
Again, is this all just a coincidence?
Addendum 2: I have also noticed that the wife of Thomas Charles Scott, 5th Earl of Clonmell, was Agnes Arabella Day, daughter of Robert Godfrey Day and his wife Anne Thompson.
Two of the Lodingtons in my tree married women with the surname Day.
Day is a reasonably common surname though.
Addendum 3: It seems that Rachel Alice Caunter's sister Elizabeth Mary Jane Caunter, married a Frederick Jackson.
Very curious!
There is also a later Caunter marriage to a Jackson as well.
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remembered what i was going to say have you tried the national portrait gallery for the paintings ? long shot i know also i take it youve tried the imperial war museum for where thomas served
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I haven't yet, no.
I shall look into it though.
I do have a portrait of someone who is purported to be a Thomas Lodington but I believe he is a member of the Soares family.
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Hi
Looking for the birth of the Emily with Eleanor S F Graham in 1861.
There is on FreeBMD a record of an
Emily Esberger born Lambeth Dec 1850 Vol 4 292
This could be the child as the letters fit with the letters worked out.
But then that brings another surname into the mix.
However I can't see any signs of any marriage from the Esbergers to any of the names Eleanor S F (Millis?)Graham goes by, to prove a connection.
Ammonite
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i was going to say i dont think Eleanor would have remarried because she wasnt divorced from Beverley and unable to marry someone else legally, i did think also she may be living with another man as his wife in later census and also her death listed under the mans surname so it may help to locate her children to find her - i think tis has already been discussed but i couldnt find her.
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Hi,
Not sure where this might fit it, but there is this marriage:
Thomas Esberger and Mary Millis 15.06.1833, St Andrew, Holborn
Lesley
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have you searched British History Online for Lodington ? has 271 matches
including :
House of Lords Journal Volume 64 - 15 December 1831
... House being moved, "That a Day may be appointed for hearing the Cause wherein Roger
Holdsworth, and others, are Appellants, and Thomas Lodington Fairfax and ...
Journal of the House of Lords: volume 64 (0)
House of Lords Journal Volume 63 - 11 July 1831
... The joint and separate Answer of Thomas Lodington Fairfax and Benjamin Eamondson
to the Petition and Appeal of Roger Holdsworth, John Robson, Robert Stephen ...
Journal of the House of Lords: volume 63 (0)
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IGI lists the parents of Emily Esberger as Thomas Esberger and Annabell at the christening on 12 Jan 1851, which could fit in with the marrage of Thomas to Mary., who might have died later on
However FreeBMD don't show and nor can I find on IGI after a quick search the remarriage to an Annabell.
Ammonite
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Excellent work everyone. I am still convinced that is Eleanor pretending to be Mrs. Graham.
That Millis/Esberger link I'm following up. It could be the missing link. I have traced a lot of the Millis' but I'm stuck with John Robert Millis.
I have this information:
John Robert Millis, born circa 1787 and buried 6 August 1849 at Pentonville Chapel, St. James, Clerkenwell, London.
He married 1stly to Lydia Brime on 9 February 1809 at St. Bride, Fleet Street. They had a daughter Edith Sarah Millis (she married Francis Bult Dunstan on 1 March 1840 at St. Clement Danes, London -- they had 3 sons).
It seems there could be two John Millis', because John and Lydia have further children after 1822
He married 2ndly to Elizabeth Fortye Maunsell (born 28 March 1798, Fremington, Devon; died 27 June 1853, Coppice Row, Clerkenwell and buried 4 July 1854 at Pentonville Chapel -- she was the daughter of Thomas Ridgate Maunsell and Maria Fortaye Daly) on 30 November 1822 at St. Bride, Fleet Street, London. They had 7 children, including Eleanor Sarah Fortye Milllis.
So the Mary Millis who married Henry Esberger could be a sister of the above John Robert Millis. Can anyone mayhaps check this?
Emily Esberger married Frederick Belford at St. Paul, Hackney on 31 December 1871. She's indicated as the daughter of Thomas Esberger, a Beer-Retailer. Frederick Belford is son of Thomas Belford, a Nautical Instrument Maker.
I am not sure if that will help locate Eleanor in a later census or not though. I still suspect that death Ruskie found for an Eleanor Millis could be her.
Addendum: It seems Thomas Esberger married again on 22 September 1870, at St. John at Hackney, London, to Hannah Furneaux (née Baylis). He was a widower and son of Michael Stephenson Esberger (he also married in London), a warehouseman. Thomas is a Beer-Retailer.
Hannah Furneaux was a widower and daughter of Cornelius Baylis, a Market Gardener. Coincidently, she is of Loddiges Road, which I have come across before (but I need to look up where).
This, of course, is not Annabel either. Is this mayhaps his third wife, therefore?
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Hi yes I found Thomas and Hannah together in 1881 on the census in camberwell
Thos Esberger, head, married,m, 68, Inmate L V Asylum b. Bermondsey Surrey
Hannah Esberger, Wife, married,f,58, Inmate L V Asylum b. Old Ford Middlesex
RG11, 691, 31, 5
The LV asylum if you look at the address is Licenced Victuallers Asylum!
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Esberger seems a fairly uncommon surname, so I am fairly sure the Thomas Esberger who married Mary Millis is either the same Thomas, or a relative.
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Right, I am now confused.
John Robert Millis (mostly noted as just John) and his wife Lydia Brime were having children christened in Clerkenwell in the 1820s (although their eldest was in fact christened in St. Pancras). John Robert Millis is a Shoemaker and of York Street.
John Millis (noted down twice as John Robert Millis) and his wife Elizabeth Fortye Maunsell are also having children christened in St. Pancras, in the 1820s. John Millis is a Shoemaker and of York Street.
What is going on?
Are they father and son?
The ages seem to conflict though. John Millis and Lydia Brime, who married in 1809, had a son John Millis christened in 1821. Unless this was an adult christening, he cannot be the John Robert Millis who married Elizabeth Fortye Millis in 1822. In fact, even a birth of 1809/10 would mean it is not him.
So perhaps they are cousins?
Any ideas?
Also, is York Street a long road that goes through both St. Pancras and Clerkenwell?
There are other Millis' in London who also seem to be Shoemakers, so I presume they are related and not the same individual.
I cannot find a burial for a Lydia Millis either. A John Robert Millis is buried in Clerkenwell, which ties in with the one who was married to Elizabeth Fortye Maunsell.
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It seems Mary Millis who married Thomas Esberger may not have died before 1851. Therefore suggesting she married a different Thomas Esberger. I maybe also be so bold to say that Annabel and Mary are the same person. Although she could be wife of a son of the above Thomas Esberger.
On the record of their marriage, it says she was of Finchley.
On the 1851 census, I have found a Mary Esberger, born circa 1800, Finchley, a Victualler Out of Business. Most importantly she is married. However, she is living on her own in Regent Street, Lambeth.
Lambeth is also where the Esbergers were buried.
I also found a burial in Finchley on 3 June 1852, for a Mary Ann Millis, born 1780. I am not saying this is the same individual but the location of Finchley is the same.
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I have just searched the registers for St. Mary, Finchley and have found Mary Millis, christened 8 April 1798, daughter of William Millis and Ann.
So it is therefore very likely the Mary Esberger on the census is indeed her.
Who is Annabell though?
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Thomas Esberger
Baptised 1 August 1813 St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Parents Michael, a porter, and Elizabeth, of Star Corner Bermondsey.
In 1839 Thomas was licensee of the Skinners Arms 127 Great Suffolk Street
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1851
3 Little Canterbury Place, Lambeth
Thomas Esberger Head Mar 38 Railway Assistant Lambeth
Annabella Esberger Wife do 36 Shields
Emily Esberger daur U 6 Mo Lambeth
HO107/1571/322/ 21
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Police report in The Times of April 23 1845 page 8 column B:
( a case of uttering counterfeit 5/- pieces)
".....the evidence of Mr Thomas Esberger, landlord of the Halifax Arms, Mlie-End, New Town.... the prisoner.. ordered some spirits with which he was served by the witness's wife"
FreeBMD records the birth of an Annabella Esberger in 1844 and the death of Anabell Esberger in 1849, both in Lambeth, presumably a daughter of Thomas and Annabell(a).
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Thomas Esberger was in Horsemonger Lane prison for debt in May/June 1843
Per The Gazette 9 June 1843:
"Thomas Esberger, formerly of the Anchor Public-house, No. 227, Farringdon-street, London, then of the Skinners' Arms Public-house, Great Suffolk-street, Southwark, Surrey, at the same time having the house called the King's Arms, Suffolk-street, then of the Rose Public house, No. 21, Saville-place, Lambeth-walk, Surrey, carrying on the business of a Licenced Victualler at each of the said places, and late of No. 138, Lambeth-walk aforesaid, in Lodgings, out of business."
He was at Saville Place with Mary and his mother Elizabeth in 1841 HO107/1057/ 2/22/38
Crown copyright material is reproduced with the permission of the Controller of HMSO and the Queen’s Printer for Scotland
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OldBailey Online shows 2 cases involving Esbergers
The first cse involves a Mary Esberger in 1836 as a witness in a fake coin passing case. It mentions Thomas Esberger in connection with Mary Esberger (although doesn't give the exact relationship) in saying he kept a wine and beer shop on Farringdon Street and the coin was passed to the servant who then passed it to Mary while the police were called
The second case involves Thomas Esberger on 3rd Jul 1843 (so he can't have been in prison for long.) He is the witness in a theft case - he has had his handkerchief nicked on his way home from blackfriars (Can you imagine the police response these days if you went in and said your handkerchief had been stolen!) He gives his profession as a Licenced Victualler - meaning it is likely to be our guy.
There also looks to be cases involving John Millis, a shoe shop owner in Eliza place, Clerkenwell in 1837
Might be worth a look.
Also there appears to be a marriage on FreeBMD for a Lydia Millis in around 1856, while no ages are given and I don't know when John Robert died, it could be a marriage later on in life as a widow. Could be a very small possibility of this? or it could be a daughter.
Ammonite
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Thanks Shuan and Ammonite. I shall follow these up as well.
The christenings of the later Millis children say they were of Eliza Place, so that is the same family.
Coincidentally, one of the children became a Licensed Victualler.
So we now have a proper reference for Anabel. That is good but it still throws up problems about the Mary Esberger on the 1851 census.
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I also still believe there could be two Thomas Esberger's. Although it seems the age fits it to be the same Thomas Esberger. I am still confused as to who Mary Esberger in the 1851 census is, though.
In 1841 he clearly is a Victualler.
In 1851 he is a Railway Porter.
After this he appears to be a Licensed Victualler again.
Although he was out-of-business for a short time, so maybe he worked as a Railway Porter/Servant in the interim?
If I remember correctly, he is a Railway Porter of 3 Little Canterbury Street when Anabell was christened in 1849 (although this appears to be a late christening for her).
He is a Servant of 3 Little Canterbury Street, when Emily was christened.
By the way, there is also a third child, Elizabeth Esberger. She was buried 22 September 1849 at St. Mary at Lambeth, aged 2 (so a birth year of 1847 fits fine).
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NB Thomas Esberger's address in 1849-51 was 3 Little Canterbury Place.
Now what was his occupation in 1861?
I make it out to be "cellarman in ale stores"
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I am still confused as to who Mary Esberger in the 1851 census is
I thisk it's pretty clear that Mary is Thomas Esberger's estranged first wife Mary Millis, who is much older than him.
He has left her (or she him), sometime in the early 1840's, probably around the time that he is imprisoned for debt.
On his release, Thomas sets up home with Annabell. They are not married, or at least not legally married.
By 1861, Annabell has disappeared from the scene and Thomas is living on his own. By this time Mary has died and he is a widower
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what do we actually know about Annabelle
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I am still confused as to who Mary Esberger in the 1851 census is
I thisk it's pretty clear that Mary is Thomas Esberger's estranged first wife Mary Millis, who is much older than him.
He has left her (or she him), sometime in the early 1840's, probably around the time that he is imprisoned for debt.
On his release, Thomas sets up home with Annabell. They are not married, or at least not legally married.
By 1861, Annabell has disappeared from the scene and Thomas is living on his own. By this time Mary has died and he is a widower
That was the conclusion I was coming to as well.
As I have previously noted, I did find a christening for a Mary Millis in 1798 in Finchley (a relatively small parish at the time -- the same surnames also crop up a lot) that would indeed suggest this is her.
However, I cannot fit her parents William Millis and Ann into my tree.
However, if Emily Esberger is said to be a cousin of Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis (although, in fact, she would not be a blood relative of any Millis), then this would suggest Mary Millis who married Thomas Esberger is related to John Robert Millis, the father of Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis.
As I have not yet traced the father of John Robert Millis, it could be the case that his father is William Millis as well.
There is a strong case for this. A William Millis married an Ann Thompson on 23 May 1781, at St. Andrew, Holborn. John Robert Millis (born circa 1787), Francis Millis (chr. 18 December 1792 at St. Mary, Finchley -- noted as Mills) and Mary Millis (chr. 8 April 1798, St. Mary, Finchley) are all possibly siblings.
Francis is a name used again in the family too (Francis Fortye Millis was a son of John Robert Millis).
n.b. I also found someone with the surname Willis, as a child of a William and Ann, again in Finchley. I presume this is a mistranscription but I cannot be sure. I shall find this again and post it here.
1789: Ann, daughter of William and Ann Willis, was born August the 10th, & baptised Sept. 6th
Shaun, thank you for your assistance and wise thoughts.
It seems sadly true that Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis became estranged from Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington alias Edwards as well.
Another question: do you have any idea where Shields could be? Is this possibly South Shields?
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what do we actually know about Annabelle
That she was born circa 1814 in Shields (no county mentioned) and was the mother of three daughters (only Emily Esberger survived into adulthood) with Thomas Esberger.
She is noted as Annabella on the 1851 census, with Thomas and her daugher Emily. Shaun posted the reference above.
Shields could be South or North Shields (both are now in Tyne and Wear). Although North Shields is often known as just Shields.
His apparently estranged wife, Mary Esberger (nee Millis) was still alive in 1851 and it is likely her that died in 1859. The fact that Thomas Esberger remarried, would also maybe suggest Annabella also died but this may not be the case.
The Millis' are not blood relatives of mine, so it is not really worth my while obtaining the birth certificate of Emily Esberger. Although it could, of course, determine who Annabella was.
I am basically trying to determine whether the Eleanor S F Graham on the 1861 census, living with her cousin, Emily Esberger, is indeed Eleanor Sarah Fortye Lodington (nee Millis).
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A quick note: if I was a descendant of Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis, rather than Buley Gerrard, I would have a very lengthy ancestry all the way back to about the 11 or 12th century, via the Mansel/Maunsell family.
If I can confirm all my Lodington links too, I would get back to about the 15th or 16th century.
I do have another task for anyone to undertake if they are stuck.
I am trying to determine a bit more about Rev. Isaac Lodington, M.A., B.A., vicar of Aylesbury, deacon of Buckden. I know he married Ann Bedford on 30 September 1683 at Canwick, Lincolnshire and I know he appears to have 7 children children all christened in Aylesbury.
However, there are 7 other children all christened between 1718 and 1725 at St. Paul's Covent Garden, to Isaac and Ann Lodington.
It appears this Isaac Lodington is a son of the Rev. Isaac Lodington but I cannot yet prove this. They had a son Bedford Lodington, which would indeed suggest this.
Therefore, I am hoping somebody could perhaps find proof that this Isaac is the son of the Reverend and when roughly he was born. It also appears he married an Ann too. I have no dates for him, but he could have been born between 1690 and 1700 (because there really is not a sufficient gap date-wise amongst the children of Rev. Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford before 1690).
Also apparent from this family, is the link to the Baddeley family I was searching for earlier. Grace Milbourne Smith (daughter of John Paul Smith, of Bucklersbury, and Grace Lodington) married Capt. John Baddeley.
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The only Isaac Lodington in the Church of England Clergy Database is Isaac ordained as Deacon 29 May 1681 at Buckden Hunts, Priest 3 June 1683 same parish, vicar of Aylesbury from 26 July 1683 until his death on 18 October 1729. There are lots of other ordained Lodingtons though!
http://www.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.js
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Indeed there were.
I have traced the majority of them but not all yet.
I have found reference of an Isaac Lodington in The London Gazette and I'm fairly sure it's a different Isaac Lodington. I shall find the reference.
The said Isaac Lodington, was a Watch-maker, at the Dial of Tavistock Street, Covent Garden in 1721.
This is of course, not the Rev. Isaac Lodington. I do presume it is a son though, as the children of an Isaac Lodington and Ann, were christened at St. Paul's, Covent Garden in the 1720s.
The eldest son was Rev. John Lodington, M.A., B.A, rector of Haddiscoe and Toft Monks, Norfolk. It was his daughter, Grace Lodington, that married the aforementioned John Paul Smith, of Bucklersbury and thus was the ancestor of a branch of Baddeleys and Cobbolds (who were quite prolific).
Bedford Lodington, 3rd son, was a Mercer and was declared bankrupt in 1729.
Thomas Lodington, 4th son, was my own ancestor. and was a Merchant, of Carey Street, Westminster. I have his will.
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There was also a Major John Lodington in the Royal Marines. Does anyone know anything further about him, or where I can look?
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Apologies for another message:
32d Ditto (Ed. Regiment of Foot), Ensign John Charles Barkley, from
half-pay 53d Foot, to be Ensign, vice Thomas
Edward Lodington, who exchanges, receiving
the difference. Dated 29th June 1820.
Does this therefore mean that Ens. Thomas Edward Lodington was also a member of the 32nd Regiment of Foot and this Ens. John Charles Barkley went to the 53rd?
I did not realise they replaced positions in the Army and could exchange regiments so freely. Can somebody explain how this and the half-pay system works?
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Another interesting titbit I have found is a reference on 9 November 1813 (ref. The London Gazette), to Messrs. Saul and Lodington, Aldersgate-street, wine and brandy merchants.
I am not sure which Lodington this is but I am presuming it is Aaron Saul, who married 14 November 1820 at St. John the Baptist, Clerkenwell, to Harriet Day, sister of Sarah Day, wife of William Stewart Lodington. Or it could be Aaron Saul's father.
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Yes, it looks to be 'Cellarman in Ale Stores'
There's some brilliant information coming in James.....you'll have this all solved soon...... :) :)
Barbara
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Quite so, Barbara but there are still a lot of questions to be answered.
I have just this moment linked the Lodingtons into the family of John Sayers Bell (whose brother was Adm. Christopher Bell, C.B.) as well. I came across reference to Sydney Lodington Brown earlier and was curious how he may link up. I had also come across the surname Sayers previously (but the individual in question I still need to link up). One of the middle names of a son of John Sayers Bell and Charlotte Frances Smith (daughter of John Paul Smith, of Bucklersbury, and Grace Lodington) is Robley. I have a Lodington/Robley marriage but have yet to link them in. I should think therefore that Mary (Anne) Robley (née Lodington) links in here. I note Grace Lodington has a sister Mary Lodington, but she would be too young. Therefore the Mary (Anne) Lodington in question could be her aunt and thus a daughter of Isaac Lodington and Ann (but not the Rev. Isaac).
The father of John Robley, of St. Mildred, London (husband of Mary (Anne) Lodington) was Rev. Isaac Robley, M.A., curate of St. John's in the Vale, Crosthwaite. The Robleys were involved in Plantation ownership in the West Indies (there is a website about these Robleys).
One of my distant cousins -- a descendant of the Soares family -- has heard mention that the Lodingtons were associated with Plantations ownership as well. There certainly seems to be some sort of link, as there was a book written by a Lodington about Plantations but I have yet to fit him into the family. There also seem to be Lodingtons settling in America in the 17th Century. Perhaps these Lodingtons are somehow linked.
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Isaac Lodington died 6 September 1779 aged 88 years, father of John the rector of Toft Monks and Hadiscoe who died 18 November 1789.
This must be the watchmaker.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07aa/
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Boyds index has the marriage of Isaac Lodington and An. Page at St George Botolph Lane in 1715.
I also found a reference to a marriage licence dated 13 August 1715 issued by the Vicar General's office
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I am basically trying to determine whether the Eleanor S F Graham on the 1861 census, living with her cousin, Emily Esberger, is indeed Eleanor Sarah Fortye Lodington (nee Millis).
so do we know that Eleanor S F M cousin has a cousin Emily or not?
Have you contacted Lambeth Palace? they hold records for Anglican Clergy men
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There are two burials for Isaac Lodingtons at St Paul's Covent Garden, one in 1720 and the other in 1763.
The one in 1720 could be the child that was baptised there on 1 February. But who is the one buried in 1763? Was that the watchmaker?
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Thank you, Shaun.
That has certainly helped clear up that problem.
The Isaac Lodington buried in 1763 is probably the one who was christened 1 February 1760 at St. Clement Danes, Westminster and a son of Thomas Lodington (seemingly a son of Isaac Lodington, the Watchmaker, as well a 7th Great Grandfather of myself) and Ann Broade.
What is the source for these burials?
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I am basically trying to determine whether the Eleanor S F Graham on the 1861 census, living with her cousin, Emily Esberger, is indeed Eleanor Sarah Fortye Lodington (nee Millis).
so do we know that Eleanor S F M cousin has a cousin Emily or not?
Have you contacted Lambeth Palace? they hold records for Anglican Clergy men
Well we have an Eleanor S F Graham on the 1851 census living with an Emily Esberger.
Emily Esberger's father Thomas Esberger was married to a Mary Millis but she was not her mother.
Unfortunately I have been unable to link Mary Millis to John Robert Millis, father of Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis.
I have not contacted Lambeth Palace yet but I shall do so. Thank you for the advice.
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As it is the last day of my Scavenger Hunt, I would like to thank all those that have been of assistance. I have certainly found more out about this intriguing family than I was expecting. Of course, there is still much to check.
A quick summary of what has been achieved:
A potential death has been found for Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis. I shall certainly purchase this certificate in the near future. She also seems to have been discovered on the 1861 census, which is fantastic. It has also shown me that her own cousin's family also seemed to have dabbled in extra-marital affairs. Of course, none of them are blood relatives of mine but it has at least concluded to me that Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington, alias Edwards, likely left Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis, rather than the other way around.
Thanks to Shaun, it has now also been proved there are two (in fact, three), Isaac Lodingtons and both married Anns, just to confuse matters. This means I now have an extra generation but that is certainly better than inaccurate information.
Further links have been made too, partly by diligence on my own part. I have now linked the Baddeley, Bell and Sayer families in (two of the families used Lodington as middle names for children, whilst one of the Bell's has Robley as his middle name).
I also now have purchased three Wills for Lodington ancestors. There are a few more I plan to get as well in the future. I was curious though, whether anyone was willing to do a quick write-out of these Wills? I can pick out the majority of names but one particular Will has poor writing.
I can e-mail you the PDFs if you would like to take up this task.
Here are some queries some of you may desire to look further into:
1. Ann Lodington (daughter of Thomas Lodington and Ann Day) is called Ann Ramsay in her father's Will. I have no trace of her marriage.
2. Where is Ernest Otto E Papke on the 1871 census (if he is a Foreign Subject, then he may not have emigrated to England that long before his marriage in 1873)? He is husband of Frances Eleanor Lodington. She remarried after his death in 1875, to William Blyth.
3. I still have yet to locate deaths for the following: Candler Lodington and Buley Gerrard (or Edwards),
4. I also am still completely at a loss as to who Ens. Thomas Edward Lodington's wife was. Is it Mary Ellen (?) or Ann Burrell? Children's christenings would suggest she was Mary Ellen (?) but Ann Burrell did not die until 4 Oct 1865. Is this another case of bigamy? Or is it simply that for whatever reason, Ann Burrell is Mary Ellen (?)?
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It's Tuesday and time for this weeks Scavenger Hunt.......I think you'll probably have fun with this one.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,413856.0.html
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
As usual, this Hunt will remain open for any further information which may come in.
Barbara
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Does anyone know what the following arms would look like if drawn up?
These are the arms for Lodington of Faldingworth and Fulnetby (Lincolnshire):
Paly of six argent and azure, on a chief gules a lion passant-guarded or
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This is a good site for explanations.
http://www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm
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Thanks for that, Barbara.
Just a quick query that somebody maybe able to assist me with. If not, not to worry.
I have found reference to a death for Louisa Lodington in 1886, listed in Palmer's index of The Times (31 March 1886) (it seems there was an inquest). This is most likey Louisa Lodington (née Flint), wife of George Edward Dyer Lodington (who died not long after her, it seems). They lived in Derby but he was born in London in about 1839. I do not know how he fits into the family yet though. Could somebody perhaps look this up for me?
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Does Palmer's give a page and column number for that reference to Louisa Lodington ?
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I have found references to that 1886 inquest in other papers. The deceased was indeed Louisa Dyer Lodington, wife of Midland Railway clerk George Edward Dyer Lodington. She was found dead on her bed, overdosed with laudanum and with a sash cord pulled tight around her neck. There was strong evidence to suggest murder by the husband, but the jury returned an open verdict
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George Edward Dyer Lodington was himself found dead in bed a few days later (on April 5 1886), apparently of natural causes.
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There's a passenger list for the ship London arrived New York 24 Jun 1823 which includes Thomas Loddington 29, Mary Ellen Loddington, 24, Edward Clarence Loddington 3, Bessie C Loddington 2 and Samuel Loddington 16 days.
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Thanks again, Paul.
You have probably found the article now but the reference is 26 m 12 a (if that is indeed a reference).
Hmmm, that death of George Edward Dyer Lodington looks suspicious too... but maybe it was just a coincidence he died so soon after his wife's supposed murder. I am still not sure who he is the son of.
I shall look into those emigrants. I am not sure who they are yet.
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Having been researching the ancestry of the Neale family (Rose Neale married Richard Down, of Halliwick Manor House, Colney Hatch, Middlesex -- their son Henry Down married Meliora Lodington, daughter of Thomas Lodington and Ann Day), it has become clear that they are also married into the same Lincolnshire families as the Lodingtons of Lincolnshire.
In fact, Lt.-Col. George Maddison of Stainton-le-Vale, Lincolnshire (a grandson of Ralph Maddison, High Sheriff of Lincolnshire and Theodosia Newcomen -- their daughter Theodosia Maddison married Samuel Neale, of the Middle Temple), was in the 4th Regiment of Foot, which was the regiment Ens. Thomas Edward Lodington started his army career with (before transferring to the 53rd Regiment of Foot).
So it seems even though this branch of the Lodingtons moved to London, it seems they remained close to their Lincolnshire cousins.
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There doesn't seem to be any record of George Edward Dyer Lodington prior to his marriage to Louisa Flint in Derby in 1873.
The inquest was told that George and Louisa had arguments over money issues and he was very reticent about his income as a clerk with the Midland Railway. However their home in 1886 was at 11 Strutt Street in Rose Hill, Derby which was a substantial 4 bedroomed semi in a good area. (It was offered for sale in 1897 as one of a pair of houses constituting Clyde Villas, which together yielded a rent of £37.)
George E D Lodington was born in London circa 1840-1 per the 1881 census. There is presumably a link with William Lodington and Harriett Dyer who married in Lewisham in 1846.
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I thought he maybe a son of William Lodington and Harriett Dyer but his birth year of circa 1839 is 7 years before William Lodington and Harriet married. So perhaps he was instead born with the surname Dyer (thus was illegitimate).
I shall see if I can find him under Dyer in the earlier census.
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There's a passenger list for the ship London arrived New York 24 Jun 1823 which includes Thomas Loddington 29, Mary Ellen Loddington, 24, Edward Clarence Loddington 3, Bessie C Loddington 2 and Samuel Loddington 16 days.
Oh, this is most interesting.
This is Ens. Thomas Edward Lodington, his wife Mary Ellen (yet more proof that Ann Burrell is not the mother of his children), eldest son Edward Clarence Lodington (who actually was buried on 8 November 1826, Bunhill Fields Burial Ground, Finsbury), Bessie Caunter Ellen Lodington and a mysterious Samuel Lodington.
Samuel Lodington is either a son who died not long afterwards, or he is instead Candler Lodington, who was known to be born At Sea (the Atlantic though). This would suggest Candler Lodington was born on the way to America.
The whole family also returned back to the UK, so was this just a holiday, or was this Thomas Edward Lodington on an Army posting? If the latter, surely he would have travelled on a military ship and the family separately?
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It is indeed most interesting!
I think you are probably correct that "Samuel" is a mistranscribed "Candler".
Why would Ensign T E Lodington - a very young and junior British officer - be in New York in 1823? The USA was an independent nation with whom Britain had been at war only a few years earlier so he would not be travelling to New York to join his regiment. Was he en route to Canada and disembarking for just a short time in New York? Or on a diplomatic posting to the US?
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53rd foot returned to England in 1823 after several years in India. Not sure if this is significant. I now recall that Thomas E Lodington was on half pay at that time and not on active service with 53rd.
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PETITIONS of INSOLVENT DEBTORS, to
be heard at Justice Hall, in the Old Bailey, London,
on Friday the 30th of November 1821,
at Nine o'Clock in the Forenoon.
Lodington, Thomas Edward, formerly of No. 5, Mecklenburg-
Square, afterwards of No. 31, Shouldham-Street, Bryanston-
Square, since of North-Place-Cottage, Finchley-Common,
Ensign on half-pay 53d Regiment of Foot.
This was two years previously.
Is it just criminal cases listed on the Old Bailey site?
Beverley Purton Edwards Lodington alias Edwards was not born until 1825/26 in Harwich, Essex. I always presumed maybe he was returning from Europe with his wife and were in Harwich at the time.
But perhaps they actually did live there for a time.
Perhaps Candler Lodington was christened in New York?
This would put Candler Lodington's birth as 8 June 1823, if this record correctly records him as 16 days old. This would also fit with him being born on the Atlantic Sea (on the "London").
Do you have a departure date for the London?
Mary Ellen Lodington would have known she was pregnant, of course, so perhaps they were planning on emigrating?
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No real update to this, I am afraid. I have been very busy and have not had much time to do much family history/genealogy of any kind recently.
I do want to say though, that Eleanor Sarah Fortye Millis seems to be a descendant of Edward III., King of England, via Millis/Maunsell/Fairfax/Gascoigne/Percy/Mortimer/Plantagenet.
The Fairfaxes could also be linked into the Fairfax family who married into the Lodingtons. I shall most definitely check on this.
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I thought he maybe a son of William Lodington and Harriett Dyer but his birth year of circa 1839 is 7 years before William Lodington and Harriet married. So perhaps he was instead born with the surname Dyer (thus was illegitimate).
I have some questions about the two Lodington boys George Edward Dyer Lodington and Edward Horace Dyer Lodington who we thought were sons of William Lodington and Harriet Dyer.
I have the 1841 census for William and Harriet who married in 1846. The census for Lambeth Park rad shows the family of William Lodington 35 and Sarah 35
with children William 15
Stewart 15
John 15
Sarah 14
Ernest 9
Louisa 8 (?)
Lydia 2
Camilla 6mths
Eliza Brians
Next house Charlotte Dyer 25 - Ladies School
Louisa Dyer 25
Harriett 25
1851 census in South Hampton St Mary Hampshire
William Lodington head Mar 29 Agent in the P&O Steam Company Middlesex London
Harriet Do Wife Mar 31 Kent Fotscay
William Do Son 3 Do Lewisham
Louisa Dyer Visitor Un 32 Essex East Mer...
1861 census Shoreditch Tower Hamlets St John the Baptist
William Lodington Head Mar 41 Peninsular & Oriental S Navigation Co Middlesex London
Harriet Do Wife Mar 42 Kent
Wm Do Son 13 Do Lewisham
On the page before also in Tower Hamlets St John the Baptist
Charlotte Dyer Head Un 48 Governess Kent
Louisa Dyer Sister Un 44 Music Teacher Essex
Samuel Do Nephew 7 Lancashire
I have found a death in 1862 for William Lodington and a Probate listing for him with a death date for 30 June 1862 granted to Harriet Lodington widow.
1871 Census Camberwell Lambeth
Charlotte Dyer Lodger 57 Unm Annuitant Kent Deptford
Louisa Do Lodger 50 Unm Do Essex East Ham(?)
Harriet Lodington Lodger W Do Kent Sidcup (?)
William S Lodington Visitor 22 Unm Shipping Clerk Kent Lewisham
Also a death for Harriet Lodington age 62 in Q3 1872 Vol 1d pg 438 Camberwell London
and one for William Lodington age 27 in Q4 1872 Vol 1a pg 308 Marylebone London
There does not appear to be any trace of either George E D Lodington prior to his marriage in 1873 or Edward H D Lodington other than an entry in India christenings in Secunderabad in 1863 where his date of birth is shown as 17 Mar 1840 with Father William Lodington and mother Harriett.
It seems unlikely that George and Edward are sons of this William and Harriet - so who are they?
I am hoping the Probate record for William 1862 will give some clarity as to is family although it is an Administration rather than a will.
Can anyone shed some light on this question, they are Lodingtons but how do they fit in?
Lorraine
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Both George Edward Dyer Lodington and Edward Horace Dyer Lodington could be illegitimate sons of William Lodington and Harriet (or just Harriet and unknown father). Harriet was born about 1819 in Footscray, Kent so would have been aged about 20 in 1839 when George Edward Dyer Lodington was born.
I believe their births are likely registered as Dyer.
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Hi all,
noting that the date of this thread is quite old, I'm not sure if anyone will actually read this.
Thomas Lodington (who married Ann Day) was my 5th Great Grandfather. my line comes through his daughter Elizabeth Lodingtong who married George Jackson. Frederick Jackson (who emigrated to Australia after the death of his wife) was my 3rd Great Grandfather. His Son (Frederick Jackson jnr) married Jessie Elizabeth Ferguson. Their Son Reginald Carmault Jackson was my Grandmothers father.
I inherited a copy of the Jackson family tree written by Frederick Jackson Snr for his son Frederick Jackson Jnr.
it has most of the families mentioned in this thread (ie Lodingtons from Elizabeth M Lodington, and the Soares connection).
I am currently looking into the lodington and Day families. I am enjoying reading your posts very much and am finding them very informative. Thank you so very much.
regards,
Nicola Mead.