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searching for any help re deceased relative
Walter Crossley apparently born in Pittsburgh Pennslyvania in 1891 (1893) possibly
He joined the royal ulster rifles in 1915 in Belfast so must have came back from the states before that
Pittsburgh tell me they have no record of his birth there ??!!!
so was he born there or at sea on way from ireland to there
He died at War battle of the somme 2nd July 1916
again I have requested his death certificate but no one can help me
I know he existed and have much evidence but the one thing I want the names of his parents i cannot find out.
went to france to see his memorial and the place he died have records of his battalion and regiment
in 1911 he is recorded in belfast northern ireland living with my husband's great aunt edna tate (nee crossley) he is listed as a machine boy aged 18yrs born USA and a relative so who were his parents and why was he not living with them?have ben searching for a couple of years and ahve had much help from people but no one can help with his parents names
the crossleys lived in N. Ireland though at one stage 1 moved to scotland and married a scottish lady but came back to ireland
any help woudl be great
Affy
Crossley
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There was a Walter Crossley born in Belfast in the second quarter of 1911 - I wonder if there is a connection?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/079w/
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I am not sure
It probably was not the Walter I am looking for since he definitely died in the first world war on 2nd July 1916 aged about 23 or 25
It may be some family member I have not gone down his route as of yet
very grateful for your reply though
affy
crossley
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Affy,
It could be worthwhile getting the marriage certificate for "Edna", I have found a marriage for David Henry Tate and Elizabeth Crossley, Eliza as she is called in the census, on 31 Aug 1901. The Registration district was Belfast, Jul- Sept quarter, Vol 1 Page 538. It is possible that she was the sister of Walter's father and the certificate should give her father's name. With this you may find the father's marriage and possibly any children.
Regards
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Some useful research already done:
http://www.scotchirish.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=4061&mode=threaded
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Sorry pressed a wrong button
I have got back to my husbands great great grandparents Agnes Mckeddrick and William Crossley
Eliza Tate (nee Crossley ) was the daughter of William Crossley (son of Agnes and William ) and Helen Shaw her mother
William and Helen had they had 5 other children no Walter.
then Helen Shaw died and William left Scotland came back to Ireland and married a girl called Martha??around 1890
Now they had a son called John Crossley in 1891 dates suit but not name . and a girl called Kathleen
I have many names but no walter.
Walters war medals were found in my husbands fathers home when he died and so we presume that my husbands father and Walter were close relatives yet no name listed anywere even in Pittsburgh were the War records say he was born
I am baffled thanks for all replies so far It is great
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My difficulity is that I live in South africa and so to try and get info re Walter when I do not have his parents names is very difficult on the internet
Just wondering if John son of William and martha crossley could be Walter but then he was born in the states ??!!
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I wonder if it was Plattsburgh, upstate New York, rather than Pittsburgh PA?
There was a Walter Joseph Crossley born at Plattsburgh circa 1891 and his birth features in a number of trees on Rootsweb and Ancestry but I haven't seen any references to a death. Parents were Nelson Noel (or Noel Nelson) and Amelia (or Emelia) Crossley from Canada.
Plattsburgh is very close to Montreal so if it was him he would probably have sailed from there rather than a US port.
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could this be williams marriage to martha.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 26 Jan 1889
Groom Name william CROSSLEY
Bride Name martha PRINGLE
Church Mariners Church of Ireland
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim
regards mary.
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Hi,
The 1911 Ireland census shows Walter living with the Tate family on London Road, Ormeau & that he was born in the United States.
Too bad he wasn't born in Canada as there is a Walter Crossley in Winnipeg, Manitoba in the 1901, 1906 & 1911 census.
The UK National Archives has a Walter but it's not yours.
The CWGC has the 02/07/16 death date at Thiepval.
Have you tried to contact any living Tate family members in Ormeau? They may have some info.
PRONI will do a limited search for a few dollars. Since you know when he enlisted & his regiment they may be able to check the Royal Irish Rifles enlistment papers.
Good hunting.
J.A.M.
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Have found the notes I had on Walter Crossley but it may not be any more than you already have by now but will post here to save others looking up the same information.
William CROSSLEY (born c1855 Belfast) m.1 Helen SHAW.
In 1881 they are living at Newton, Renfrew., Scotland: William Crossley 26 Ireland lithographer, wife Helen Crossley 26 Airdrie Lanark, dau. Elizabeth Crossley 5 Renfrew., son William Crossley 4 Renfrew., son Thomas Crossly 2 Renfrew.
William Crossley m.2 (2 Jan.1889- info. given above) Martha PRINGLE (born c1870 Co.Cavan, died 1916 Belfast). Three children from this marriage: John (c1891), Kathleen (1902) and child d.before 1911. 1911 census William, lithographer, and family living at Lismain St.
William CROSSLEY (born c1877 Renfrew.), son of William & Helen, m.(1904 Belfast) Margaret Jane Thompson (born c1873 Belfast). 1911 census William Crossley, lithographic printer, living at Ardgowan St. with wife Margaret Jane and 4 children (2 died before 1911): Georgina Thompson (born 1905), Elizabeth Tate (born 1907), William (born c1908), Thomas (born 1910).
Thomas CROSSLEY (born c1879 Renfrew.), another son of William & Helen, m.(1905) Anne/Annie. 1911 census living Roselyn St. with 3 daughters: Ella [Ellen Shaw born 1906], Annie [born 1907?], Emma [Emily born 1910?].
Elizabeth "Lizzie" CROSSLEY (born c1876 Renfrew.), dau. of William & Helen, m.(31 Aug.190 Belfast- info. given above) David Henry Tate. 1911 census living London Road with their 4 children: David Henry (1902), William George (c1903), Maude (c1907), Eliza Jane (c1915). Also in the household is Walter Crossley 'relative' age 18 machine boy born U.S.
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Walter CROSSLEY appears on Roll of Honour to members of printing trade in St. Anne's Cathedral, Belfast. In 1911 census his occupation given as 'machine boy' and given other Crossleys working as lithographic printers it's possible Walter also worked with them by 1911 (and probably until he enlisted in 1915).
I have searched all sorts of U.S. and Canadian records for clues about Walter's birth. I can't find any record of him returning to U.K. under name of Walter Crossley or in 1900 U.S. census (although it's possible he came to U.K. sometime between his birth c1893 and 1900).
As to who Walter's parents might be- I originally thought that he might be an illegitimate son of Elizabeth (Crossley) Tate as he is living with the Tates in 1911 (although Elizabeth says she's the mother of 4 children these are her children by David Tate).
However, re-looking at all the census information posted above I am now wondering if Walter wasn't the son of Margaret (Thompson) Crossley for several reasons. First of all, Margaret is old enough to be Walter's mother whereas Eliza was only about 17 when Walter would have been born. Second, Margaret's 2nd daughter named Elizabeth Tate Crossley (why? Elizabeth was still alive and having her own children but Margaret and William must have thought a lot of Elizabeth to name their daughter after her). Also, consider that Walter's medals ended up in house belonging to Margaret's son.
The next step would probably be to search for Walter in 1901 census and see if he's living with any relatives in Belfast (or elsewhere in Ireland). The 1901 census is expected to be put online late 2009/early 2010.
Have you contacted Norma yet? She knows of living relatives and perhaps they've heard family details that might clear up the mystery.
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Meant to add that Walter's death certificate, if found, will not list names of parents, birthdate or birthplace and cause of death might say something like 'died in France' or something equally unhelpful.
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this is the marriage.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 30 Apr 1904
Groom Name william CROSSLEY
Bride Name margaret jane THOMPSON
Church Saint Annes Church of Ireland
Parish Shankill
Civil District Belfast
County Antrim
regards mary.
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Hello Affy. Just enquiring if you are still looking for Walter Crossley. Please let me know as i have found some interesting details.