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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: Thorgils on Thursday 15 October 09 10:38 BST (UK)
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One of my very first relatives came from Westmeath she was born in 1831 and immigrated to Australia somewhere between 1831-1855
If anyone knows of some good ways to look up some records or has any info I would be greatly appreciative
Thanks
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Hello Thorgils,Fisher does not appear to be a very common name in the Westmeath area---Even in the 1911 census there is only one listed for Westmeath !!!& looking back to the Griffith's Valuation there are only two listed -Thomas in the parish of Killua & Henry in the parish of Newtown,so these area's may be a starting point for your research.Regards Nipy
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Thanks heaps Nipy I will start scouting around for some info
thanks very much for taking the time to check it is much appreciated ;)
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Hi again Nipy, I just found a quote pertaining to Athlone which is not far from Westmeath, Going to try and track some down some more info with some luck ;D
Looks as though she was born 1831!
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Hello Thorgils,Fisher does not appear to be a very common name in the Westmeath area---Even in the 1911 census there is only one listed for Westmeath !!!& looking back to the Griffith's Valuation there are only two listed -Thomas in the parish of Killua & Henry in the parish of Newtown,so these area's may be a starting point for your research.Regards Nipy
HEY! Henry was her father !!!! and her mother was also named Margaret!
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Any chance you can post the website you got the info from Nipy???
The search on census comes up negative when I search for Henry Fisher?
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Here's the link for 1911 census although I can't see a Henry Fisher in Westmeath either-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
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Hello again Thorgils,sorry I didn't get back to you sooner (only just seen you reply) Really glad it's got you on a hunting trail. Will have a scout around to see if I can see any more leads----can I ask did Margaret's parents also go to Australia? --regards Nipy
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http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml -----Thorgils forgot to give you the G/V site Cheers Nipy
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Nipy my friend you are a legend!
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Here's the link for 1911 census although I can't see a Henry Fisher in Westmeath either-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
hmmm I looked and found Henry Fisher in Ballymaglaff, Down not so sure that it was her father as he was only 18 at the time. Back to the drawing board :P
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Hello again Thorgils,sorry I didn't get back to you sooner (only just seen you reply) Really glad it's got you on a hunting trail. Will have a scout around to see if I can see any more leads----can I ask did Margaret's parents also go to Australia? --regards Nipy
It appears that she traveled there on her own I have not found any information regarding her family immigrating, she was born in 1831 and traveled to Australia at some point of which she married John Thomas Roberts my G-G-G Grandfather in 10th October 1855 in Sydney Australia @ St Mary Cathedral
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Sorry Folks --old Nipy has confused everyone again----when I mentioned the 1911 census ---what I was meaning to get across was there isn't many Fisher's living in Westmeath at that time, there was only one I could see ( & that was a widow woman)---Regards old Dippy Nipy
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5 matches for the search criteria: Fisher (plus variants) Margaret 1827-1835
Action Source Surname First Name Year County
Church Baptism Fisher Margaret Anne 1827 Co. Derry
Church Baptism Fisher Margaret 1829 Co. Cavan
Church Baptism Fisher Margaret 1829 Co. Cavan
Church Baptism Fisher Margaret 1830 Co. Cork
Church Baptism Fisher Margaret 1830 Co. Cork
Seems that there is some confusion on her DOB looks like I might have to invest and buy her death certificate and hope that it has the more detailed information I want.
No confusion Nipy just Thorgils not reading carefully before going on a wild goose chase
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Back again!! what I have noticed on the IFHF site , there is one family with the father's name Henry living in the Athlone area but the time scale is well out!! he has a daughter Margaret born 1846,son John b. 1848,daughter Mary b.1850---I think hunt around the area of Tyreallspass/Newtown--as you say back to the drawing board---Nipy
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Just keep in mind that all pre-registration church records (such as baptisms) might not survive or that a particular database might not have indexed all available records.
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Hello again been looking around for any signs of Fisher families in the Westmeath area , I found another mention of a William Fisher 1800 living at Baylin which I'm sure is Mount Temple area between Moate & Athlone---so there was some Fisher's around that area in 1800's,Thorgils I'll send you a PM on the article I found---regards Nipy
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J have also beeen researching Margaret Fisher and her sister Mary. This is what I have compiled so far...
John Thomas was born in 1827, and died 5 March 1894, aged 67.
According to Lexia Schulz, he came to Australia with his brother William on the David McIvor (McIver) in 1853, when he was 26.
But His grandson wrote that John Thomas Roberts was the captain of a ship to the goldfields. his crew jumped ship and he was stranded here. I have the births of their various children in Victoria
e married Margaret Fisher on the 10th October, 1855 in St Mary’s Roman Catholic Cathedral Sydney.
Mary was born in 1832 in Athlone , Westmeathe, Ireland. She came to Australia on the Tippoo Saib (also spelt Sahib / Sail) which left Plymouth in April 1850 and arrived in Sydney on 29th July. She was 18 at the time, and came with her 16 year old sister Mary. They were the daughters of Henry and Margaret Fisher who were both dead, possibly as a result of the potato famine. Margaret and Mary were some of the famous Irish Orphans. The Tippoo Sahib left Plymouth 8/4/1850 with 249 immigrants, many of them young orphan girls, under Captain Morphen. They were not required to pay the £4.00 fare.
How does this match with your research? from Cassandra NSW
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John Thomas Roberts was born in 1827 London, Oxfordshire, I believe he sailed to Australia via the Barque Sarah which departed Plymouth August 26th 1849 and arrived December 15 1849 Port Jackson, Sydney (I am waiting for the paperwork but the evidence I have found on ancestry.com seem to confirm this), He married Margaret Fisher on the 10th October 1855 in St Mary’s Cathedral Sydney, they soon moved from Sydney to Woolshed Creek, Beechworth where they had 8 children he then moved to Marrar, Wagga Wagga and died on the 5th March 1894 (he died of apoplexy)
New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Ship = Sarah
John Roberts aged 23yrs, baker and farm labourer. Last address was in Burford Oxfordshire. His parents are listed as William and Rebecca Elizabeth. It also says father living in Somerstown at that time. Summertown is apparently an Ecclesiastical parish in Oxfordshire. Religion Church of England.
Have found the family in 1841 in Oxfordshire and John is listed as 10years old and he has a younger sister Rebecca aged 4 years. Fathers occupation a baker.
all stated as born in Oxfordshire.
1851 sees Rebecca as married but husband not there, shes born Blandford Poull, Oxfordshire c 1797. Also in household daughter Rebecca 13yrs and born
St. Andrew, Oxfordshire, another daughter called Elizabeth 28yrs and born Coombe Oxfordshire and Charles Bolton 7yrs a nephew, born Berkshire.
HO107; Piece: 1727; Folio: 443; Page: 4; = Oxford St. Giles
Both William and Rebecca are together in 1861
William born c1797 in Kidlington Oxfordshire and Rebecca is now down as born in Cornbury Park Oxon,William is a commercial traveller.
I have very little research on Margaret Fisher as I have been predominately researching John Thomas Roberts. I consequently have copies of a lot of Death certificates if your interested for the Roberts side
Brock NSW ;D
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Would Lexia Schulz be a child of Nancy Elizabeth Roberts and Bernard Dawson Shulz? one of three children?
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I think John Roberts was born about 1826 to parents Francis Roberts and Grace. Francis was born Devoport and Grace was born Cornwall. she was born Grace Jasper which ties in with John giving Jasper as a middle name to a child here in Australia., and to naming his daughter Frances Grace (she was my g grandmother) John's brother migrated to USA.
The Roberts family liveda family story a long time back, and recorded that John was a ship's captain.I ghave a copy of his writings.
John's father Francis Roberts had been a ship's captain too, on the Ajax.
from Cassandra
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Is it possible we could exchange email's and information?
I thought I was on the right trail however your information seems quite accurate and you seem confident of you research and you have me doubting myself :o
I have to admit that the Frances and Jasper fits in with the names of his children like you said.
I have pretty much just been tracing the Roberts name from myself back through the family
Brock Andrew Roberts Me
Donald Valmore Francis Roberts Dad
Donald Henry Roberts Grandad
Francis Henry Roberts G-Grandad
Francis Henry Roberts G-G Grandad
John Thomas Roberts G-G-G Grandad
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Email address cannot be posted online here but you can use PM (personal message) system to exchange personal details like email addresses.
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Many thanks for the helpful comments from the moderator. Your time and input is greatly appreciated.
Cassandra
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Yahoo! It looks like your gg grandfather Francis Henry is the brother of my g grandmother Frances Grace. They lived in the Wagga area of western NSW.
The story written by John T Robert's grandson Mervyn tells of how he came to Victoria as the captain of a boat bringing gold seekers. When his crew jumped ship, he went mining himself. At first he did quite well with his prospecting. He later obtained land at Marrar under a land grant, sometime after 1873 near Wagga and built a homestead he named Home Dale. There were financial hardships for sometime, but they coped.
He collapsed whilst buildng a post and rail fence and died shortly after, 1894.
I have sent you a personal message so, hopefully, we can exchange further information.
Cassandra
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Hi Cassandra,
I have sent my email to you via PM, I have a few certificates which I hope might help you out as soon as I get you email I'll send them on.
Brock
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A wonderful account of Margaret Fisher surfaced yesterday... it was an account of her written by her grandson, Mervyn, a wonderful researcher, many years ago. It passed down through the fmaily and I was given a copy yesterday.
It indicates:
Margaret Fisher was born in 1831 at Athlone
She remembers as a small child, living with her mother and sister Mary in a cottage on the Estate of Lord Castlemaine. (Moydrum Castle was the family manor, in its grounds) She remembered her mother as being attractive, dainty, fond of pretty clothes and with a charming manner.
He rmother died of TB in her early 20s and Margaret and Mary were taken into a convent by nuns. They were educated. Margaret was trained as a housekeeper and Mary trained as a governess.
Housekeeper training was more important than it sounds... it involved gaining skills in managing a large house, hiring firing and training staff, purchasing, arranging for meals. In their mid teens they were shipped to Sydney. Margaret became a housekeeper to a wealthy family. She was happy there. She met and married John Roberts in 1855. They spent some time in the Vict goldfields and later settled at Marrer near Wagga.. Her husband John died unexpectedly in 1894 and Margaret continued to work the property with her sons
Sometime before her death she suffered a stroke which deprived her of speech and left her unable to walk properly. She lived with her son Frank, and each day she was seated in a large chair near the fire, where she could see what was happening. Her granddaughters would dress her . At age 82 she had another stroke, which was fatal.
Interesting!
from Mareva
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Would Lexia Schulz be a child of Nancy Elizabeth Roberts and Bernard Dawson Shulz? one of three children?
Hi i am Lexa Schulz, i am indeed the daughter of Nancy and Bernard. Would love to hear what information you haveA wonderful account of Margaret Fisher surfaced yesterday... it was an account of her written by her grandson, Mervyn, a wonderful researcher, many years ago. It passed down through the fmaily and I was given a copy yesterday.
It indicates:
Margaret Fisher was born in 1831 at Athlone
She remembers as a small child, living with her mother and sister Mary in a cottage on the Estate of Lord Castlemaine. (Moydrum Castle was the family manor, in its grounds) She remembered her mother as being attractive, dainty, fond of pretty clothes and with a charming manner.
He rmother died of TB in her early 20s and Margaret and Mary were taken into a convent by nuns. They were educated. Margaret was trained as a housekeeper and Mary trained as a governess.
Housekeeper training was more important than it sounds... it involved gaining skills in managing a large house, hiring firing and training staff, purchasing, arranging for meals. In their mid teens they were shipped to Sydney. Margaret became a housekeeper to a wealthy family. She was happy there. She met and married John Roberts in 1855. They spent some time in the Vict goldfields and later settled at Marrer near Wagga.. Her husband John died unexpectedly in 1894 and Margaret continued to work the property with her sons
Sometime before her death she suffered a stroke which deprived her of speech and left her unable to walk properly. She lived with her son Frank, and each day she was seated in a large chair near the fire, where she could see what was happening. Her granddaughters would dress her . At age 82 she had another stroke, which was fatal.
Interesting!
from Mareva
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Irelands Society of Friends (Quakers) Migration Records;
Fisher Alexander;
Year; 1897
Westmeath-Moate;(Moate is the meeting house)
Ethel Lucy; 1896
Lucretia Almut; 1896
Mary Josephine; 1873
Mary White; 1849
Myra Lucy; 1896
Susanna; 1844
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