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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: finglaspete on Friday 23 October 09 01:29 BST (UK)
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Hi there
My grandad Martin Curran was born around 1862 in Drumphea, near myshall county carlow, his father and mother were francis curran and sarah doyle. If this sounds familiar to you, maybe we can share info, or i can be of help?
I look forward to hearing from you.
all the best
pete
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Hello Pete,I had at look at the griffiths land valuation on www.failteromhat.com there is a Martin Curran in the parish of Fennagh,im not sure if this fits in with your research,i hope it is of some help,if i find any more information i will let you know.
Regards Diarmuid.
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hi diarmuid
thanks for the look up, that man martin curran on the griffiths valuation of the 1850's was my GGgrandfather.
What I am looking for is someone who shares maybe some local match with me, so maybe i can help them or vice versa.
I think this website is marvelous, and I have got much help already from the very enthusiastic contributors, but have also added my knowledge too.
It is a great thing for me if i can help too.
Once again, thank you for the look up.
all the best
pete
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My grandad Martin Curran was born around 1862 in Drumphea, near myshall county carlow, pete
Hello Pete,
Just joined the site and immediately looked for Carlow!
In 1881 John and Anne Curran, (both born in Carlow in 1847) were living in Hinde Street, Gorton, Manchester. My
mother tells me that they were related to my great grandmother Ann Kavanagh (nee Thornton) who was born in Rathvilly, Carlow in c. 1847. I have searched several sites for evidence of her baptism and a possible Thornton/Curran marriage, but so far have had no luck! Here's hoping it will change!
All the best,
Josie
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Hello Josie,Welcome to rootschat,Carlow library has an index Of baptisms which may be of help contacts are phone:(059)9170094, internet
www.carlow.ie/information/libraryservices/default.aspx
Hope this helps,Regards Diarmuid.
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Hello Diarmuid,
Thank you very much for your reply. :)
I'll take a look now!
Best wishes,
Josie
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hi there
i do not know if the currans you speak of are from the same family as rathvilly and drumphea are a number of miles apart. Just to note that curran is a relatively common name in those parts.
i will look into it and see what i can dig out, though give me some time.
all the best
pete.
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Thank you very much, Pete. I appreciate your offer of help.
Of course, please do not feel pressured. There is plenty of time!
All the best,
Josie
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There are still Currans living in Drumphea (same given name as you are looking for )
Check the 05 phone book
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There are still Currans living in Drumphea (same given name as you are looking for )
Check the 05 phone book
Hello and thanks for your reply! I see you are also searching for McDonald and Gorman - me too!
My McDonalds came from Scotland to England, but the Gormans hail from Dublin! My g/g/grandparents were Bernard Gorman and Elizabeth Murphy, who were married at St Andrew's Church, Dublin in February 1835. Their daughter, Margaret was my g/grandmother.
Best wishes,
Josie :)
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Hi
Thank you for the recent replies, noland 01, do you have connections with the currans in the drumphea area, or even the nolans in the same area, my GGgrandmother as far as i know was a ann nolan, married to the martin curran mentioned above in the post about griffiths valuation.
drop us a line if you think you can help!
all the best
pete
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No afraid not i don't have any connection to the Currans
As for Nolan its a very common name in Carlow especially in the Myshall Drumphea area
For example from my house to the nearest village is about 1.5 miles and of the 25 or so houses on the road 15 or so are either Nolan's or Nolan's lived in them or owned the land previously and this would consist of at least six distinctly unrelated families
As regards the Currans in Drumphea ; yes i know him fairly well and could pass on your details sometime if you like
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Hi again Noland1
there is always the off chance that you could have said yes, i am related! I know, Nolan is a really common name in those parts. but still it was worth asking.
As for the currans in Drumfea, I have spoken with frank and his sisters on a few occasions regarding our family coinnections, so it's not neccarsary to pass on my details.
Though i do have a question for you, as it sounds that you are from around there. Is there a crypt in Drumphea church? and if so is there anyone buried down there? also are there any old cemeteries in the local area that would predate drumphea? To me drumphea cemetery only seems to date back to early 1800's? and i can only trace mine back to the late 1700's, and that is just because of one grave in drumphea.
all the best
pete
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pete..we have a martin curran(known as murt)who was reportedly a v.good step dancer.
BTW are you the same peter i am in touch with by e-mail?lol
Was talking to an elderly relative this aft. and found out that my husbands gt g/father was Patrick Curran.
He also told me the story of a Lizzie Curran(whom I'd never heard tell of)...she managed a shop in Newtown,owned by a scotsman,Patrick Laylass(?)..they married,but Liazzie kept the Catholic Faith,and didnt change.
When Patrick died he was buried in the Church of Ireland graveyard in Fennagh.
Apparently everyone wondered where Lizzie would be buried,as she was still RC...she was buried next to her husband.
Joe Curran,the man I spoke to,was the son of Charles Curran,brother of my late father-in-law,John.
He was certain that Lizzie Curran was a relative,but I can't find her anywhere.
If anyone can tie her in with our family,it would be appreciated.
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Hi again elaine
Yes, I am the same Peter as you have been emailing, i have many fishing rods out in all sorts of places regarding genealogy, and have been quite successful.
you say you husbands great grandfather was a patrick curran, here we may have a connection, my great grandfather Francis had a brother called Patrick, they family of siblings were very large in Knocklonagad, and moved out and around, frank moved up to Drumphea, as far as I know, Patrick was definitely having children around the time Michael was born, though i only know of two daughters, but that doesn't mean there is no more!
One direction that can be taken is to go to the NLI, in dublin and get parish records on microfiche for fennagh and myshall for around the late 1840's to mid 1850's when Michael Curran(your husbands grandfather) was born. if patrick originated around knocklonagad or drumphea, we have a connection, and i can pass on more information, it's up to you, but i will require as much info, right up to the present day of of what you know of patricks descendants.
looking forward to hearing from you.
all the best
pete
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hi,Peter,don't know if this is of use to you at all,but I was looking through graveyard inscriptions(this was after you kindly forwarded the grave pics to me..looking forward to the rest!)
they are inscriptions at Dunlecky Cemetery.Carlow:-
Erected by MICHAEL CURREN of Knocklonagad in memory of his father MICHAEL CURREN who departed this life the 14th Oct.1829 aged 69yrs.
In loving memory of my mother d.Dec.16th.1903(66)also father,brothers and sisters.Erected by daughter and sister,KATE CURRAN.
Elaine
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Hi Elaine
Thanks for that, yes i have seen the first grave, though it is a very old cemetery, the older michael that is referred to here is my Great great great grandfather. He moved down to knocklonagad from Boherduff and established a family farm down there. you probably saw this on rootsweb? A bunch of local schoolchildren from Bagenalstown went to dunleckney cemetery, which is a really antiquated place, and took inscriptions from all the stones that they could, it was certainly a task and a half, as i found it hard to read them myself. I saw the original copy in the presbytery in Bagenalstown, I was told it was never to leave the premises, and low and behold, there it was online later on!
You can see a picture of this grave, and the boherduff currans in newtown at this link(by the way i mentioned you in this link)This is my own genealogy blog:
http://genealogy-ireland.blogspot.com/
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I got so excited when i read on your blog that you went to castledermot,co.kildare!
My husband is the youngest of 8 children + twins who died not long after birth.
Leo,his brother and the twins were born in Kilkea .,Castledermot!!....the rest of the family born Carlow.
The twins are buried in an old graveyard withing the walls of Kilkea Castle...we couldn't find the grave because it's unmarked.
When you visited Newtown graveyard,you would have seen a pub right across from the Church,called
Smyths__the family used to live above the pub.
I was in the graveyard in Castledermot a couple of weeks ago....my sister-in-law was buried the beg. Sept.
Also Leos' brother,John Joseph is buried there.
Did you see any Curran graves there?
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Hi
Doe's your husband have an older brother called tom who lived in dublin? I just have a tom curran who is in my family, now deceased, he married my aunt, also a curran, but not related to one another.
Yes, I was in castledermot, but i was looking for Doyles, as my great uncle on my grandmother doyles side is buried there, i did see curran graves, but disregarded them, as i could not see an immediate connection, small world isn't it?
I have now found more currans, there is now a grave in dunleckney that is from boherduff too, and is a curran/hennessy one, also in the next village to boherduff, kilendraine there is a grave for an elizabeth lyons nee curran buried in dunleckney who is down as being from here, and she was born in 1701!
this would be great news if you are related to tom curran from county kildare, though i was told he was from naas, but could he be orig from castledermot, it would be a blessing.
all the best(with fingers crossed)
pete
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yer can uncross yer fingers now! lol.
No Thomas's in our Currans(not that we know of anyway!)
Unless the Thomas(no.9) and the John Curran(no.13)Boherduff in 1901 census are related to our Michael Curran,who lived at no.11.
Our Michael was 50 at the time...Thomas was 80 and John was 64....doesn't look likely they be brothers,or the mother would be a great age when Michael was born......maybe Thomas & John were brothers and Michael could be the son of Thomas,or the nephew of both.
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I was told that my uncle tom was from Naas, Co Kildare, Though in the census, there are no Curran families in Naas, just individuals, saying that maybe they came from away, and then married and settled, tom himself was born around 1921, so his father would possibly be born around 1880-1895 ish. He could be a 1st or 2nd cousin of your leo?
just a small pointer for you, in dunleckney cemetery, there is a michael haughney who was born 1714, i am feeling that this was the graveyard people from boherduff used before newtown cemetery opened.
look at this link
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_Graves_incriptions.pdf
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Dublin Metropolitan Police;
Michael Curran; Myshall (ex-Revenue Police)
Born- 1823
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Jack
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will look into that..thankyou.
Michael is a common name on both sides of my husbands' family!
His g/father Curran and his g/father Aughney were both Michael....also his eldest brother(b.1922)is also Michael!
By coincidence,Micks son retired recently from a career as a policeman.
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Hi again
@seanmac, Thanks for that, i was aware of this man as being in the DMP, though don't know his relation to me, i know this because my grandfather martin curran was a DMP officer too, but later, he was born in 1862 and joined 1880. maybe it was my grandfathers uncle or great uncle, time will tell. If i recall the michael curran you refer to has a very low service number? or there is another curran down there somewhere too?
@elaine curran, Thanks for the reply, I still have more pics for you, just haven't sent them yet!
to both, thanks for your replies.
all the best
pete
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the police seems to feature in both our Currans and your Currans,eh Pete?lol
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i know this because my grandfather martin curran was a DMP officer too, but later, he was born in 1862 and joined 1880. maybe it was my grandfathers uncle or great uncle, time will tell. If i recall the michael curran you refer to has a very low service number? or there is another curran down there somewhere too?
the service number for that Michael Curran is 2733, which would mean he joined up in early 1843.
Shane
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Thanks shane, i will add it to my notes and have a nose about.
all the best
pete
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Hi Again
I haven't updated this much recently, so I thought i'd just add a bit of info, I received a PM from another member recently, I won't mention them or their message, but I just wanted to post my reply as I feel it is quite informal in what progress I have made in relation to the Currans here in Drumphea.
Hi there
Thank you for taking a look at my entry at rootschat for the old currans of Myshall. At this present moment I don't know of a connection to the Currans in the Borris area, though Borris is not too far away Myshall area, where my currans are from, I have always had this theory that Currans in Carlow originate in the Carlow town area and spread from there, even to the extent of going into Kilkenny, Wexford, and even into Waterford, I have always felt this way, because as it stands going back many centuries, Currans were originally from the old provinces of Breffni and Ulster, and that they would have gradually moved south for whatever reason over maybe about 1000 years, some moved down the west coast, hence the big amount of Currans down in Galway, Clare and Kerry, and then ours, which went around the Carlow town area and spread from there. Maybe i'm wrong, but that is just a theory on my behalf.
As to the connection, I am sure, with that kind of name, he is related. My grandad came from Drumphea, though his grandad was from Kncklonagad, only a few hundred metres south of Drumphea. But going beyond that, my GGGgrandfather was from Boherduff, about five miles north of Knocklonagad, there are a lot of Currans in the Boherduff/ Bagenalstown area over the years, and that is ultimately stepping back to Carlow Town, I have heard that there is record of Currans being up there in the early 1600's, need i say more?
I think that your James originates from the Knocklonagad Curran's(once again only a theory) because there was quite a large number of male siblings down there and they all left, except for possibly one or two, it is even to the extent that by the 1901 census there aren't any Currans in Knocklonegad, as it is spelt in the census. Assuming that they had to move onto fresher pastures, which would possibly had been around the early 1800's, because they were all born in the late 1700's, would kind of fit in with the idea that your james could be a son of one of them, but then maybe the Currans have been in the Borris area pre 1820?
Any way, I hope this has been of some help, I am also going to post this reply up on the thread, because maybe it will be of some help too others.
All the best
Pete
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Hello Pete, I have a g grandfather John Curran that I have born in the Borris area around 1870. Do you have any further information about this as you seem to be referring to a comment given to you in a PM. My g grandfather emigrated to Queensland in the late 1880s.
many thnks Peter