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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: KAMA on Tuesday 27 October 09 14:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Just wondering if anyone had any photographs of Elizatown in Johnstone Parish, the hamlet has long since been demolished but would love to see what it looked like. Unfortunately I cant get to the Ewart in Dumfries where they may have images.
Heres hoping
Kama
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Sorry, can't help with a photo. My family were Johnstonebridge, but not Elizatown, and I don't have any photos of the farms they lived at either.
In the NAS (National Archives of Scotland) they have some interesting items on Johnstone catalogued, which I presume are available to view at NAS:
http://195.153.34.9/onlinecatalogue/place.aspx?code=PL498&st=1&tc=y&tl=n&tn=y&tp=y&k=Scottish+Youth+Hostels+Association&ko=p&r=&ro=m&df=&dt=&di=y
RHP85723
Photocopy of `eye draught' of farm of Hartfield (Heartfeel) with the small possessions of Elizatown showing names of occupiers, with table of contents
Only thing is it's for April 1798, and I don't know how long your family go back there.
Sorry if this is no use,
Maggie 1895
p.s. that's part of a family photo from there on the left
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Hi Maggie,
Thanks for that. I really have to get to Edinburgh now - they seem to have loads of things on Johnstone that I didnt know about.
I am sure that my family have been in Johnstone since records began. What are your family names in the area, I am sure they must have been neighbours at the very least
Kama
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Kama,
Paterson (one 't'), Rogerson, Boyes, Mundell, and Bryden or Brydon. I can go back to around the 1750s with most lines but after that the trail tends to go cold.
Maggie 1895
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Hi,
we may well be connected - my ancestors are John boyes & Jean ritchie who married in Johnstone in 1808 if so I would be glad to swap any info I have.
Kama
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Kama, Looks like it - those are the names of my Great Great Grandparents
John Boyes b 07.04.1781, Dunscore, Johnstone, d 21.04.1835, Millinburn, Dumfries
m. Jean Ritchie at Blinburn in 1808.
Jean was born in 1769 in Johnstone, died at Pleasuregate, Johnstone on 14.01.1851
Their daughter Jean married James Rogerson, from which my family line comes
Same family?
Maggie
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Hello Maggie,
We are indeed talking about the same people. I am descended fron Jeans sister Janet who married James Anderson. I had not found the birth of John Boyes anywhere so I am interested to know where you found it - do you know his parents and wonder if Dunscore is actually the parish and not the house name
Kama
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My typo!
I get so used to typing 'Johnstone or Johnstonebridge' on everything that I obviously did it automatically. Dunscore is a separate village, near Dumfries. Boyes seems to be a very usual name there.
I do have a few more details, not a lot, and I've sent you a PM.
Maggie
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Hi there,
Read your posts about Elizatown with interest.
I have a James Thorburn born 1775 Elizatown to John Thorburn and Jean Beck and wondered if you had come across them in your searches.
I have acouple of photos of farms in Johnstone (that still exist) don't know if these would interest you at all?
Also do you know whereabouts Elizatown was?
cheers
Norma
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Hi Norma,
I am interested in the Becks from Elizatown, I have them going back to James Beck 1734 who married Janet Sanders and my ancestors come down from him. I have not got your Jean on my tree, do you know her parents. I am sure they must be linked somewhere if they come from Elizatown!
I would be very keen to see any photos of Johnstone as my family have lived all over the parish
Hope to hear from you soon
Kama
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Hi again Norma,
I forgot to say that Elizatown was close to the river on land which is now part of Hartfield Farm.
Kama
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Norma, thank you for offering the share old farm photos - which farms are they?
Maggie 1895
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Hi there both,
Thanks for the info. will see if I can find Hartfield farm on the map.
I'm afraid the farm photos aren't old ones but taken on visits in the last couple of years so if you live locally not much good! However they are of Stockholm, Poldean, Redhall and Greystonerigg.
Regarding Jean Beck I thought I had her parents but checking before I wrote this I don't think it's right, dammit!
I have her as born 1736 in Johnstone to John Beck and Agnes Bell, which would fit with her having her son James in Elizatown as women tended to go back to mother's for their first child and James is listed as the eldest....However if Jean was born in 1736 (to Agnes and John) then she was 39 when she had her 1st child, James and 50 when she had the last one! Surely that must be impossible?
To deepen the mystery I can't find any Jean Becks with suitable dates in Scotlands People and 1 Jane Beck b. 1848 in Kirkmahoe to Thomas Beck and Margaret thomson but I'm not convinced with this one because as you say there are certainly Becks in elizatown, even in 1841. Also Jeans second son was named John which according to naming patterns would suggest she was the daughter of John Beck which brings me back to the 1736 date!!
Any suggestions to extricate me from this conundrum would be ecstatically received. I'm sure she's from Johnstone.....
cheers
Norma
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Have you found Elizatown on http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/, there's a lower and an upper!
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Hello I've been wandering around the internet trying to find info about Stockholm at Johnstone, Dumfriesshire as I have traced my family back to there. Family name is Proudfoot.
Can you help? Cathy
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Hi Cathy,
I can send you map co-ordinates of Stockholm and I have a modern photo if you'd like.
Norma
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Hi Norma, thanks for the quick reply. Yes I would appreciate that.
I'll try adding my email address, tho I'm not sure that is allowed! Thanks, Cathy
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Hi Folks...I have a David Bryden born in Elizatown on the 12th September 1804. His parents are Willaim Bryden and Marion/Mary Cowan. David married Mary Boyd/Boyes and had 11 children, Thomas, Janet, Robert, Mary, William, James, Margaret, Jane (my Great, Great, Grandmother),Barbara, Elizabeth and DavidHe died in 1870....ring any bells with anyone???
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The Horse Tax rolls for 1797at http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital_volumes/image.php?book_id=545&image=E326/10/2/141
has a Bryden in Elizatown. I think it's a James but not sure...
Norma
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Hi Folks,
I have photographs of Elizatown taken a couple of months ago on a very sunny day, there are only about 3 houses in ruins that you can see, it's a trek down to the river from Hartfield farm, I also have the eye draft from 1790 from raehills estate of Hartfied farm which is the same one as at the NAS. My family are staying at the old laundry house on the estate in October if anyone would like any lookups or photos, we will do our best to help.
Lorna
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Lorna, I'm not looking for Elizatown photos myself, my 'bit' was a more general discussion but as the others haven't picked it up yet I just wanted to thanks, because that's a really kind offer.
I hope you enjoy your stay - lovely area.
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Hi normatrees, my X2 great, grandmother was Elizabeth Thorburn b.1823/24 she lived at Burren Rig for a time as did James Thorburn born 1790's. I can't go any further back than Elizabeth. Is this part of your research?
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Hi there,
I have had a look and whilst I'm sure they will be related I don't have them in my records.
Whereabouts is Burren Rig? and whaat info do you have on James born in the 1790's?
I have a James Thornburn born 1775 who is a brother to Walter my xtimes grandfather.
I have a James as living in St Annes, Johnstone in the 1841 census with his wife Elizabeth aged 65 and 55.
I have a list of their children and in both 1803 and 1807 they had a daughter baptized as Betty, which is, of course, Elizabeth. I never got the originals so I don't know if the place of birth was recorded.
My Walter also married an Elizabeth but I don't know if they had a daughter named Elizabeth, quite likely, I would have thought.
The 2 residences I have are Elizatown and Kinnelknock.
Hope this helps...
cheers
Norma
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Hi normatrees,
Burren Rig is a farmstead on A701, W of Courance. I think that James (b.1798) was married to Joanne Sanders (Elizabeth's (b.1823) mother?????) but by 1851 was married to Janet Tweedie (b.1813). I haven't come across any of the names in your record. Thanks for a speedy reply.
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Hi there,
Well Burrenrig is in the right neck of the woods for them to be related!
Sorry I can't be of more help. Best of luck...
Norma