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Does any one have any information of the sawmill that was in Feshiebridge in the late 1800's and the family of john Grant that used to stay there?
Thanks
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I have a few headstones of Grants from Feshie Bridge but the only John I have died aged 18 in 1868, son of Charles who was a Carpenter. But a few other Grants as well. If they are of any use i will post them.
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I have some info on a John Grant, born Alvie about 1815, married Jessie Carr in Aug 1843 and died 26 April 1906. In 1851 census (aged 35) his occupation is given as saw miller and his address is Mill of Feshie. Similarly in 1871 (aged 56). In 1861 & 1881 (aged 46 & 66 resp.) it just says Sawmill or Sawmiller's house for his address. He had at least 11 children. Is this the one you are interested in? I had thought at one time he was one of 'my' Grants, but don't think so now. Can give you a little more info if interested.
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I have a wee book on Invereshie which lists the tenants who went to Australia in 1838 (possibly using the new road to Spean Bridge and sailing from Fort William, as did the Duke of Gordon's Laggan tenants)there is a John Grant b.Rothiemurchus, farmer,age 24,son of Peter Grant & wife Mary. He was engaged by a Mr Hoshing in Sydney. A Lewis Grant, plumber, age 36,& wife Isabella MacBain, son of Alexander Grant & Ann Donald, he was engaged by Martin Crombie, Sydney,together with their family-James Macpherson 17, William 12, Edmund C 10, Maria 14 & Ann 8. Any use folks?........Skoosh.
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Sorry in taking so long in getting back. Posting the head stones would be useful. Thanks
John Grant and Jessie Carr are part of my Grants so any information you can give would be great.
I dont know of any of my Grants going to Australia that far back but where could I get a copy of the book for checking?
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In memory of Mary Grant wife of Charles Grant, Carpenter, Feshie Bridge who died 26th Sep 1875 aged 50 years and their son John who died 15th May 1868 aged 18 years. Also Bella who died 9th May 1878 aged 20 years. Also Mary who died 18th Feb 1884 aged 27 years. Also the said Charles Grant who died 20th July 1893 aged 73 years and their son Lachlan who died 24th Nov 1895 aged 35 years.
In loving memory of Alexander Grant who died 26th June 1964 aged 73 years. Also beloved wife of the above Isabella Grant who died 17th July 1976. Feshieside.
In memory of Isa Dean wife of Donald Grant who died at Boat of Insh 5th Nov 1912 aged 44 years and their daughter Jessie Ann died 3rd July 1913 aged 22 years. Also the above Donald Grant “Danny” who died at Feshieside, Kincraig 22nd Nov 1936 aged 75 years. Also their daughter Christina “Teeny” wife of William Wallace who passed away at Woodend Hospital, Aberdeen who died 24th Dec 1935 aged 49 years and is interred in St Peter’s Cemetery there. Robert Dean died at Inveruglas, Insh 25th July 1928 aged 70 years and Christina Fraser his wife also died there 23rd March 1923 aged 76 years.
In loving memory of my beloved mother Lillie Grant who died at Feshie Bridge 26th March 1946 aged 85. Also her son James Grant, MM who died at Gatehouse 10th April 1962 aged 75. Erected by James Grant.
In loving memory of Andrew Grant who died at Feshie Bridge on the 14th March 1958.
From her colleagues. In memory of Miss Elsie Grant who gave 22 years of dedicated nursing service to Ian Charles Hospital, Granton on Spey.
In loving memory of John Grant, Baldow died 10th Aug 1937 and his beloved wife Mary Ann Meldrum died 3rd May 1970. Also their daughter Elsie Grant who died 24th Aug 1977.
Erected by Murdoch McPherson to the memory of Jane Grant alias Glass his beloved spouse who died 12th Oct 1850 aged 55 years. Of Elizabeth his daughter who died 16th Jan 1837 aged 17 years.
In loving memory of James Grant, Gardener, Invereshie died 15th May 1874 aged 76 years. His wife Grace McDonald died Feb 1870 aged 76 years. Their daughter Ann died 28th Dec 1891 aged 56 years. Also their daughter Isabella died 26th April 1921 aged 89 years. Also John MacKenzie, Gardener, Invereshie for 67 years died 7th April 1944 aged 79 years. Dear husband of May MacBain. In loving memory of the said May MacBain who died 18th May 1951.
In loving memory of Peter Grant who died at Feshie Bridge 1904 in his 87th year. Also of his wife Annie MacDonald. Also of their Grandson P G MacDonald who died on Service in GEA 17th March 1918 aged 45 years. And his beloved wife Mary Jane Fratter who died in The Deaconess Hospital, Edinburgh 10th June 1909 aged 26 years. Erected by their daughter Annie. Their daughter Annie died at Feshie Bridge……..
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John Grant (b. 2 Apr 1815 Alvie to John G. & Lizzie Murray) m. Aug 1843, Alvie to Jessie Carr (b. 12 Jun 1824 Kingussie & Insh to John C. & Annie Bruce). They had at least 11 children : Betsy b. 1844, John b. 1846, Lewis b. 1848, William b. 1850, Peter b. 1853, James b. 1855, Alexander b.1858, Donald (Duncan?) b. 1861, David b. 1864 d. 1864, Ann b. 1865, Jessie b. 1867 - all Alvie.
John snr d. 1906, Alvie & Jessie snr. d. 1907 Kingussie. Hope this helps.
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Does any one have any information of the sawmill that was in Feshiebridge in the late 1800's and the family of john Grant that used to stay there?
Thanks
Yes, I do - They are my ancestors - marion, Glasgow
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Marion what information are you able to give me about John Grant and his family.
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John Grant and Elizabeth Murray were my GGG Grandparents - Their son John was my GG Grandfather, he married Jessie Carr - Son Alexander Grant was my GT Grandfather, he married Barbara Wares - Their daughter Jessie Anne was my Grandmother
I have lots of information regarding the Grant family - Too much to detail here
Where do you live and how are you related
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Alexander had a brother John who also had a son called John who was married twice. The younger John would be my G grandfather I think. I live up in the highlands. Using blackberry so my internet connection aint to good. How can I contact you directly?
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Hello Craskie/Marion.
John Grant & Elsbeth Murray were also my GGG grandparents. Likewise we share the same GG grandparents in John Grant & Jessie Carr. Whereas you are descended from their 6th son Alexander (b1858), I am descended from their eldest son - also John (b 1846).
Hello Rudlach
It seems we are more closely related in that we share the same G grandfather in John Grant (b1846). I am descended from John's second marriage to Isabella Graham. They had 3 daughters; twins Harriet & Catherine (b1901) and youngest daughter Margaret (b1903). My grandmother Harriet married Norman Macleod from Skye. Their eldest daughter Jessie Mary Macleod was my mother.
Unless you are a descendent of my grand-aunt Margaret (Maggie) Grant - who married Walter Snowdon, then I assume that you are descended from John's first marriage to Helen McIntosh (1845-1891). They had 6 children; Peter, Helen, John, Ewen & Lewis. Your G grandfather John died in Edinburgh in 1904.
I'd love to hear anything either of you have on our Grant forebears. I shall of course be delighted to reciprocate.
Warm regards to you both.
Duncan.
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John Grant (b. 2 Apr 1815 Alvie to John G. & Lizzie Murray) m. Aug 1843, Alvie to Jessie Carr (b. 12 Jun 1824 Kingussie & Insh to John C. & Annie Bruce). They had at least 11 children : Betsy b. 1844, John b. 1846, Lewis b. 1848, William b. 1850, Peter b. 1853, James b. 1855, Alexander b.1858, Donald (Duncan?) b. 1861, David b. 1864 d. 1864, Ann b. 1865, Jessie b. 1867 - all Alvie.
John snr d. 1906, Alvie & Jessie snr. d. 1907 Kingussie. Hope this helps.
Hello Samgate
Can you please let me know how you found Jessie Carr's dob? Though I have marriage & death info, I haven't been able to find anything about her birth in the records. Census entries show her as having been born in Alvie, so I anticipated that her birth would have been registered - though it's possible that it wasn't. That would have been very unusual for that period & location, but you appear to have an exact date.
Warm regards,
Duncan.
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Duncan, as it happens Ive been looking at your grandmothers admission records to Lagganlia school with her sisters. I take it they moved to Lewis as they seemed to be in the school for a few months before they left the district. You mention that your gran was a twin. It often runs in families tho not in mines, so far any way. I dont have much information on the Grants Im afraid. I had hoped to get back into research this year but I recently moved house and Im still trying to fine some of my paper work. I think I have an idea where the site of your great grandfathers sawmill but I havent managed to confirm this yet.
I was going to say that the information on this Grant family seems to be rather sketchy till I realised thats your surname.
Donald
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Hi Donald. Thanks for the prompt response. I'd love to see the school records you mention as I don't really have anything on my grandmother's early years other than she and of course her twin sister Catherine being born in Alder cottage on the Feshie estate.
Grant isn't my surname. I'm actually a Macleod. My mother Jessie Mary Macleod who was born in Stornoway married another Macleod - my father Torquil Macleod from Stornoway.
Warm regards,
Duncan.
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Hi Duncansketch
Sorry not to have replied sooner but I couldn't find my info on Jessie Carr and then realised that it was because she is not actually in my family tree so I hadn't put her on my computer records, although I still have the paper records for the family. I found her dob by putting her parents' names (from her marriage & death certs) into Family Search. It came up with only one result with a Jannet Kerr born to parents Ann Bruce and John Kerr. I reckonned that was probably the correct person. Hope this helps.
Good luck
Samgate
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Duncan, my apologies for not getting back sooner. I'm sure I have an old photograph of your granny when she was in primary school, along with her two sisters. Its a group photograph of the whole school. Im sure you know that your granny saved her twin sister from a fire and received an award for doing so. I think it was reported in the local paper at the time. I think your granny was also quoted in the Scotsman newspaper in the 60's when the queen visited Garrabost. I think it says she lived in Glasgow at the time.
As for Jessie Carr, Im sure I came across details of her as being possibly a Kerr and from being from Dingwall area but I havnt been able to confirm this so dont use it as a definate. Your great granny Isabella Graham married John Grant at 1 Ardconnel Street Inverness.
Hope this helps
Rudhach
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Before the Grants worked at Freshiebridge they lived in Croftbeg where they had a son Lewis born 28 sep 1799
spacot
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Greetings.
I am tracing my wife’s ancestors Alexander and Betsy Grant and children Jane (1837), Betsy (1838), John (1840), James (1841) and Catharine Dury (1843) who arrived in Portland, Victoria, Australia on 19 Feb 1855 on the Athletae from Birkenhead. There was an Isabelle or Isabella Grant (1835) on the same ship who was grouped with them on the muster.
Alexander Grant was b 11 April 1811 at Rothiemoon, parish of Abernethy & Kincardine. He was a carpenter who was living at the Feshie Saw Mill on 15 Dec 1836 when he married Betsy/Bessie Grant, daughter of Murdoch Grant, also resident at the sawmill.
I don’t have any more details on Betsy/Bessie or Murdoch Grant
There is a Rothiemoon Farm at Nethy Bridge which I have concluded is the Rothiemoon referred to.
Alexander’s parents were John Grant, a farmer & Jean Geddes/Giddis/Gatus – marriage date and place unknown
Alexander’s siblings were
-Charles b 13 April 1800 at Rothiemoon
-Elspit b19 may 1805 at Rothiemoon
-James b 1808 at Rothiemoon (bap 13 May)
- possibly, John Grant b 1 Feb 1796 baptised in Cromdale & Inverellan
In 1841 I can’t make out where the family was living (Alexander’s mother Jean was with them), but the adjoining properties on the census look like Keppoch, Dalnavert and Drimlochan
In 1851 the family was at Croftbeg
I realise that there are many strands to the Grant families, but I does any of the above fit with any other Grant researchers out there who might be able to fill in some gaps for me? We are planning to visit the area later this year and any help will be much appreciated.
Many thanks
Richard Holliday
Sydney
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Richard, you might try a enquiry at the Macpherson Museum, it's their patch.
http://www.clan-macpherson.org/museum/
Skoosh.
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Skoosh, In 2010 on this site, you mentioned a wee book on Invereshie which lists Laggan tenants.
My gggrandfather John Grant, farmer aged 24 was mentioned. I would love to know if there was any more info on him or especially his parents Peter & Mary Grant. He came to Sydney then 6 months later went to Melbourne & lived there at Campbellfield and Tullamarine plus..
Any info on them would be much appreciated.
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Seraya, I shall have a look for this wee book. Do I still have it I ask myself. :)
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Seraya, found it! ;D
Emigrants to Australia on St George from Oban, 4th July 1838, a long journey by carts to Fort William, then by steamboat to Oban. the passengers departed from Kingussie in mid-summer on the day of St Columba's Fair, (Latha Feill Challuim Cille).
Apparently much weeping & wailing at the fair in Kingussie at their departure.
The St George carried 326 passengers, more than a third of these left from Kingussie, two adults & eight children died on the voyage & five births, 3 female & 2 male, which ended at Sydney on 13 November 1838. Most of the Kingussie contingent were tenants on the Invereshie estate of Sir John MacPherson Grant of Ballindalloch who had raised the rents to such a level as made emigration the only practical option, (rack-renting). As far as I can make out the only other Rothiemurchus tenant was an Alexander Taylor 27, farm servant, can read Gaelic, father James Taylor gardeners laboured, mother Anne, engaged by Mr Hoshing, Sydney £25 a year, with rations. The Rothiemurchus laird was Grant of Rothiemurchus. For an insight into how things stood on that estate & the lives of the people, see "Memoirs of a Highland Lady" by Elizabeth Grant of Rothiemurchus, which were written in the 1840/50s.
Hope this is of some use,
Bests,
Skoosh.
1838, John Grant, 24 farmer, can read & write, Rothiemurchus, father Peter Grant, farmer, Rothiemurchus, mother Mary Grant. Engaged by Mr Hoshing, Sydney, waged £12.10/- with rations, term, 6 months.
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Wonderful, thank you so much for that info on John Grant.
Seraya
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Cheers Seraya, these lairds social asperations & lifestyle were generally not matched by their income, hence the rack-renting of the tenants to try and close the gap. The Grants still have Rothiemurchus but in the early 19th century the estate was burdened by debt. The Rothiemurchus people supplimented their agricultural income by felling the Scots pine and floating rafts of timber down the Spey where there was a shipyard & sawmill.
Your ancestor and young Taylor obviously set off for Oz together, a few years later came the famine in the Highlands & Ireland when emigration became a flood. My own Grant ancestor was a George Grant in Ross-shire who according to rellies there was originally from Rothiemurchus, so we might even be related? ;D it's one of my brick walls.
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Skoosh, one correction. Invereshie has always been a property of the Macphersons, not the Grants. These merged when George Macpherson of Invereshie inherited Ballindalloch in Strathspey and became Sir George Macpherson-Grant, Baronet. His son was Sir John Macpherson-Grant of Invereshie and Ballindalloch and apparently this is the Laird that raised the rents. This is NOT, however, the same family as the Grants of Rothiemurchus nor any connection to woman who wrote Memoirs of a Highland Lady.
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Larkspur, I think that's what I've said in my post, the book deals with the departure of folk from Invereshie, the two young guys from Rothiemurchus have obviously decided to better themselves and went also, although Rothiemurchus would also clear tenants, as Elizabeth Grant recommended in her Dublin book.
The people would also be cleared from other MacPherson estates in Laggan and the Duke of Gordon's tenants in Badenoch & in Glenmore. The Grant name has obviously been tagged on to Invereshie as MacPherson had won a watch with Ballindalloch, Invereshie's the back o beyond by comparison. :)
Scottish toffs by the way didn't use the hyphen, Cunninghame Graham was very emphatic on the matter, his own name having been double barelled in the cause of filthy lucre.
Skoosh.
Skoosh.
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Hello just spotted your email string on the Grant's from 2011 and hoping you are still online able to possibly assist. I'm helping my friend research her Scottish heritage and one of her relatives is a Isabella Grant b. 1899 who later married a John Henry Sims in South Africa in 1920. We know that Isabella and John came to Lagganlia in December 1921 and the had their son Arthur John Frederick Sims born in Lagganlia in January 1922. We are assuming that Isabella and John returned to her family home to have her son. I know that Isabella was born in 1899 as her age was listed on the ships passenger records when travelling from South Africa. I'm wondering therefore if you have any record of Isabella in your Grant family history that you have collated from Lagganlia. Would love to hear from you. Kind regards, Holly Moulton (from Canada).
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Wow :)
I just wanted to drop a line and say thanks to everyone who shared their knowledge here so openly.
I bl00dy love it.
John Grant and Elizabeth Murray were my 4th GGparents and their youngest daughter Christina (my 3rd GGma) ended up moving to Australia in 1853 and a few generations later - here I am, one of many descendants from this amazing part of the world.
As someone who is new to family history, it is truly so brilliant to come and learn from people freely sharing what they've found. It makes my heart happy.
Anyways to anyone who is reading this who has posted here before and taken the time, thank you and to anyone who comes across this in the future, wow aren't we lucky :)
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They were my great great grandparents through their son John Grant. Still in Scotland but know every little about Feshebridge ( been trying to locate the saw mill for years ) and very limited info on the Grant family. Would love to know more though. D
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Apologies if the mystery of the Feshie saw mill and Mill Cottage was already solved somewhere in this thread, but here is a map view showing them (1873 OS 6 inch). If you zoom out you will see Feshie Bridge is just to the south east.
https://tinyurl.com/nhkuwjdw (https://tinyurl.com/nhkuwjdw)
This Mill Cottage is still there according to the modern OS map. It seems that it is run as a hostel or bothy by Mountaineering Scotland, and here is an image of the cottage at their site:
https://www.mountaineering.scot/clubs/huts/national-huts/mill-cottage (https://www.mountaineering.scot/clubs/huts/national-huts/mill-cottage)
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Inverness Courier 8th August 1905
There is a long article reporting upon:
SILVER WEDDING OF THE MACKINTOSH
CELEBRATION AT MOY HALL
TENANTRY PRESENTATIONS
The Mackintosh and Mrs Mackintosh celebrated their silver wedding at Moy Hall yesterday. The tenantry and employees on the extensive estates were invited to visit Moy Hall, and in course of the day were hospitably entertained by the chief and his lady.
In the extensive list of invitations is Mr John Grant, Feshie Saw Mill, as well as Mr John Grant, Feshie Ard; and Miss Ann Grant, Feshie Bridge.
The only other possible newspaper reference to the mill appears in a long list of subscribers to the Inverness-shire Second Subscription List for the Benefit of the Destitute Poor in the Highlands and Island of Scotland that is printed in the Inverness Courier 3rd March 1847. The list includes, in the Badenoch District, a donation of 2s 6d by Alexander Meldrum, Feshie Mill.
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Further to my post on 9 May 2014 we did visit the area and found the site of the mill, Croftbeg and Druiminlochan, based the old maps that we found at Scotland’s Places
Yes the Mill cottage referred to by AlanBoyd is still there. Just downstream of it on the same side you can see the remains of the mill race which would have turned a wheel to power the mill. The mill would have been a timber structure and some flood must have washed it away at some point.
Pretty much opposite there is a small cottage named Feshieside Croft, which I take to be where Croftbeg stood in 1851 when Alexander and Betsey Grant and their family were. The old maps show there was a footbridge across the Feshie to the mill
In 1841 they were at Druiminlochan, which these days is a beautifully renovated house higher up the hill on the main road, overlooking Lochan Gael.
My wife is descended from Betsey Grant b1805 who was daughter of Murdoch Grant. I now suspect, based on her DNA matches to descendants of John the sawmiller, that Murdoch may have been his brother. There is a Murdoch Grant of Strathspey who enlisted in the Gordon Highlanders in 1805, so my working theory is that Murdoch Grant’s wife (Betsey’s mother), died, possibly in childbirth, and Betsey was left with the family of John the sawmiller.
My Grant family tree on Ancestry is here:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/120695841/person/332148132918
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This version of the Ordnance Survey map allows you to compare the map with the satellite view.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.2&lat=57.12009&lon=-3.90676&layers=257&b=1&o=63 Move the blue dot to left and right to toggle from one to the other, or click 'side by side' to see both at once - you can see that Mill Cottage is still there.
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Thanks, yes I’ve seen that feature
This is the map I was using
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74427109
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Thanks, yes I’ve seen that feature
This is the map I was using
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74427109
Ah. That doesn't seem to have the blue button to toggle the map and satellite view, which is why I suggested the other.
I always use the seamless zoomable overlay version.