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Title: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 03:08 GMT (UK)
My grandmother, Elizabeth Bradley, emigrated with her siblings, Nellie, Ruby and Joseph, from England, around 1900. She was 12 at the time. I have searched many places but without success.  ??? Can anyone help me to find out where to look and how? Thank you!!
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 04:48 GMT (UK)
Do you know where they left from and where they moved to?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 05:40 GMT (UK)
I've tried a few things, but a bit more info would help.

Is Bradley the surname for all 4?

Do you know any other ages?

Have you found them in any England censuses?

Do you know whether they came directly to Canada.  I didn't get a chance to check, but they may have come via the US.  So far I've only checked arrivals in Canada.

Do you know if they all traveled together or did they come in bits and spurts over a couple years?

Do you know if Nellie is a nickname for something else?

Do you know who the oldest is?  Did they all come as children without an adult?

Sorry for all the questions!  I have tried quite a few places as well and not finding them.  If you know any of this info, it might be useful.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 15:29 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for your help!

Here is what I can tell you from the information  I have (unfortunately not much):

I've tried a few things, but a bit more info would help.

Is Bradley the surname for all 4? Yes

Do you know any other ages? No ages are certain, but I think Ruby must have been younger than Elizabeth, because she married a Jim (James) Jordan after WWWI.

Have you found them in any England censuses? No so far.  

Do you know whether they came directly to Canada.  I didn't get a chance to check, but they may have come via the US.  So far I've only checked arrivals in Canada. I think so. They left from Liverpool, and an uncle of mine says that they were born in Liverpool, but I am not sure about that. Later Nellie and Joseph (Joe) went to the US, but I don't know when and I don't know whether they were sent or they left later. Apparently they were involved in a bicyle shop in Upstate New York.

Do you know if they all traveled together or did they come in bits and spurts over a couple years? I am told Elizabeth said they were never separated. Apparently the four siblings stayed in a convent in Montreal for a while.

Do you know if Nellie is a nickname for something else? Probably Ellen (or Helen)

Do you know who the oldest is?  Did they all come as children without an adult? They came as orphans. I don't know who the eldest was.

Sorry for all the questions!  I have tried quite a few places as well and not finding them.  If you know any of this info, it might be useful.

I was told that at around 16, Elizabeth was "sent into the world" (presumably from the convent) to work as a maid for a Montreal's lawyer's house. Ruby stayed in Montreal.

thank you again for your help.

Added : Elizabeth's birth day was a Feb. 22.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 16:11 GMT (UK)
I found an Elizabeth Bradley (aged 15), Robina Bradley (aged 13) and Ellen Bradley (aged 12) in St Elizabeth's Institute in 1901 in Liverpool, England.

They were all born in Lanc, Liverpool.


Then I looked at the 1891 census for those name and found this:

Jospeh Bradley b. 1859  Warehouse Labourer
Robina Bradley b. 1861
Joseph Bradley b. 1895
Elizabeth Bradley b. 1886
Robina Bradley b. 1888
Ellen Bradley b. 1890 (the census transcript says Etter because the `R' in Robina loops down and crosses the `ll' in ellen, but it is clearly Ellen)

The lived in Toxteth Park.
All were born in Liverpool.

If you are correct that they came to Canada when Elizabeth was 12, then they would have come around 1898.

Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: KarenM on Sunday 01 November 09 16:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Montreal,

If you go to the Home Children database at Library and Archives Canada you will find, Eliza, Ellen and Robina Bradley arriving in Canada aboard the Tunisinan in 1901.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-100.01-e.php

Karen
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 16:34 GMT (UK)
Great find Karen!

I just looked as well, and Eliza is listed as Eliza Brady, but the age fits.

However, it says they came from Ireland, and the ship is the Tunisian.

I wonder where Joseph is.  Unlike the institute that I found them in, this group of children was boys and girls.  Joseph would have been 16, so maybe he was outside their reach for protecting children.  I wonder if he came separately at the same time and met up with them.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 17:17 GMT (UK)
I cannot find them in Canada, but I did look up the Canadian Catholic Protective Agency that brought them over, and from what I read, I think the children from that ship went to Peterborough, Ontario.

Here's a link:

http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/ships3.html#1901
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 17:25 GMT (UK)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e147/e003650950.jpg
The Bradley girls are towards the bottom of the page but not grouped together.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 18:03 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much andarah and everyone. I does look like them all right! This is just amazing. I had looked in the BAC files and also in the 1891 census through "The Genealogist", but I am no expert.

So that means that Joseph was born in 1885 and not 1895 (that is 16 and not 6 years old)? Could he have been considered as an adult then? He would have certainly met up with them later on.

This is so encouraging!
:)

Suzanne
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 18:06 GMT (UK)
Do you already have Ruby's wedding?

I have her on March 13, 1930 marrying James Jordan.

Her name is Ruby Mary, her father is Joseph and her mother is Ruby Wheeler.  This supports the 1891 census that I found in England, but they were both called Robina there.

James' parents are Frank and Gertrude Gorvau?

They had to be granted a special dispensation for marriage because of mixed religions.

They were married at St Anthony of Padua in Montreal.


Do you know Elizabeth's husband's name?  I assume he is your grandfather?  Do you already have their wedding?

Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 18:09 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much andarah and everyone. I does look like them all right! This is just amazing. I had looked in the BAC files and also in the 1891 census through "The Genealogist", but I am no expert.

So that means that Joseph was born in 1885 and not 1895 (that is 16 and not 6 years old)?  Could he have been considered as an adult then? He would have certainly met up with them later on.

This is so encouraging!
:)

Suzanne

Yes!  That was a typo on my part.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: KarenM on Sunday 01 November 09 18:19 GMT (UK)
I wonder if this is Joseph Bradley, born Liverpool 1885 who signed up for WW1

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc001/259022a.gif

http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc001/259022b.gif

Karen
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 18:39 GMT (UK)
Do you already have Ruby's wedding?

I have her on March 13, 1930 marrying James Jordan. Yes, definitely! I did not have a date or place, but he was James Jordan for sure.
Her name is Ruby Mary, her father is Joseph and her mother is Ruby Wheeler.  This supports the 1891 census that I found in England, but they were both called Robina there. Indeed.

James' parents are Frank and Gertrude Gorvau?

They had to be granted a special dispensation for marriage because of mixed religions.

They were married at St Anthony of Padua in Montreal.
I don't know about Jim Jordan's parents at all. I was told he was a home child too. The church sounds right too, it is just a little south of Montreal (if it's the one I think it is).

Do you know Elizabeth's husband's name?  I assume he is your grandfather?  Do you already have their wedding? Francesco (Frank) Anfossi, b 1881 in Italy. He emigrated from England I think. I have no date for their wedding, maybe around 1908, as they had a first child (a baby girl who died at 3 months old - I have no date of birth or death) and then a son, b. in 1910 (who died in 1918).  


Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:07 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage Sep 1880 West Derby 8b 918 for Joseph Bradley and Robina Wheler
Birth for Robina Gray Wheeler Mar 1860 West Derby 8b 293

On the 1871 British census in Liverpool there is Robina Wheeler, 12 b. Liverpool living with sister Annie, 17, b. Liverpool, bookkeeper and her married mother Elizabeth Wheeler, 45, born Edinborough Scotland.  Father not present.

The 1881 census is slightly confusing.  It shows a number of people living at 103 Park St. South Toxteth Liverpool
Robina and her husband Joseph, 22. b. Liverpool, Biscuit maker (baker) are shown related to Thomas and Miriam Baker or Barker both born North Wales.  Joseph is shown as his son-in-law and yet directly below Robina is Margaret Walsh and then 54 year old Elizabeth Wheler born in Edinborough with her widowed actress daughter Elizabeth Ann L'estrange and Elizabeth's daughter.  It might seem that the relationships were misinterpreted?

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:14 GMT (UK)
The 1861 census for Toxteth Park Liverpool
George Wheeler, 33, b. Poole Dorsetshire, mariner
Elizabeth Wheeler, 33, b. Edinborough, Scotland
George, 10 b. New York America
Elizabeth 8, Ann 5, and Rebecca 1 all born Liverpool

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 19:21 GMT (UK)
I think I found Elizabeth and Frank in the 1911 census.

However, their name has been butchered.  The census has it as Auphonse, with an accent on the e.  if you sound it out, it's close to Anfossi.

The ages are also correct - b in Sept. 1881 and Feb. 1886, and they have a 6 month old son, John b. Nov 1910.

He is a waiter, worked 52 weeks the previous year, worked 55 hours/week and earned $400.

They lived in the St Antoine ward in Montreal.

He was born in Italy and she was born in England.

However, it has both of their immigration years as 1906.  Maybe his immigration year was 1906 and the census taker made an assumption?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:25 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07e2/
1911 census image

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 19:33 GMT (UK)
Yes, andarah, that is them. Grandpa was a waiter at the Windsor Hotel, and they lived in the St.Antoine ward until Elizabeth's death. 1906 was most likely assumed by the census taker. John was the name of the baby, and Angelina was the girl who was born before and died at 3 months old. They had 8 other children who survived.


However, their name has been butchered. 

I am not surprised, you have no idea how badly that name is treated  ::) I have seen every version  :o

Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:37 GMT (UK)
Sept 1909 at Rouse's Pt. New York Delle N. Bradley, 17, single, domestic, last residence Montreal crossed the border bound for her brother-in-law's.  Frank Anfossi of 245 W 35th St. New York, N.Y..  Mother in England given as Robina Bradley 24 Hughes St. Liverpool.  She was 4'7", fair complexion and blue eyes b. Liverpool and emigrated June 1901 on the Tunisian.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:44 GMT (UK)
Ruby Bradley crossed into the US Dec 17 1908 at Montreal heading for her brother-in-law, Frank Asfasse, in New York.  She gave her mother as Ruby Wheeler Liverpool.  She was 4'8", fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 19:52 GMT (UK)
1910 US Census for Manhattan Ward 20 New York
Frank Anfossie, 28, Hotel Waiter b. Italy immigrated to US 1907 with wife Elizabeth, 22
Living with them is Nellie Bradley, 18, immigrated to US 1909, domestic
also resident in the house are 3 boarders - all working as waiters.

Not on the 1920 Census that I could find.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 20:05 GMT (UK)
I found John's Death in 1919.

Giovanni Anfossi on March 7 (registered March 10).  It says he was 8.  That fits.

It has the mother as Elizabeth Biedel.

It has the father as a `journalier'.  I could not find it in the translation program I often use.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 20:22 GMT (UK)
I found John's birth.  That poor kid probbaly had an identity crisis! Born as Jean, censused as John and died as Giovanni!

I found Joseph Jean Arthur Anfossi, born on Nov 22, 1910 to Francois Anfossi and Elizabeth Bradley and baptized Nov 27.

The godparents are there, but they do not share a last name - Aurthur Geoffroise???? and his wife, Marce Paquette???  They might be a cousin of Franks or they might just be friends.

He was baptized at Notre Dame.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 20:41 GMT (UK)
Francesco Anfossi, 26, waiter crossed Sep 1907 at Montreal bound for a friends in New York.  His father was given as Giovanni Anfossi of Villa Franca Piedmonte Italy and Francesco was born in Villa Franca.

He again crossed over from Canada to the US at Montreal but this time Elizabeth was with him.  This was Sep 1908.  He gave the same father, same address and Elizabeth gave her mother as ruby bradley West Derby Rd. Liverpool.  She was 5', fair, brown hair, blue/grey eyes.  Both indicated that they had been in the US from Sept 1907 to July 1908.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 20:45 GMT (UK)
I have another child for Frank and Elizabeth:  Francois Joseph Stephan Anfossi, born May 29, 1913.

He was baptized Aug 3 in St Anthony of Padua.  His godparents are Giovanni Anfossi (repsresented by Joseph ?) and someone that I cannot make out.

I keep find these people kids as I look for someone else.  LOL
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: andarah on Sunday 01 November 09 20:55 GMT (UK)
I found Angelina Ruby Charlotte Anfossi (listing has her 3rd name as Charles, but it's incorrect).

She was baptized March 10, 1912 at St Patrick's in Montreal and born Feb 23.

Her god parents are Carlos Anfossi (he signed, which means he was in Montreal) and Miss Ruby Bradley.  the document states his name as Charles, but he signed as Carlos. 

I wonder if Carlos immigrated with Frank?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 20:56 GMT (UK)
Ruby Bradley was the godmother and Frank's brother Charles was the godfather for Angelina Ruby Charlotte 23 April 1912 but when Angelina married in 1933 it was in the Methodist church.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 21:27 GMT (UK)
I have another child for Frank and Elizabeth:  Francois Joseph Stephan Anfossi, born May 29, 1913.

He was baptized Aug 3 in St Anthony of Padua.  His godparents are Giovanni Anfossi (repsresented by Joseph ?) and someone that I cannot make out.

I keep find these people kids as I look for someone else.  LOL

I guess I should have mentioned that Frank and Elizabeth had 8 others kids  ;D

About the Bradleys, I am curious to know if Robina's Joseph came from Ireland. I think many Bradleys (especially from Liverpool) would have been from Ireland. And since he was born in 1859, maybe he was part of a wave of immigration after the famine? Is there a way to know that?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 21:29 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07e2/
1911 census image

Debbie

oh my, I would have had a hard time finding that one out  :o But it's them all right. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 21:34 GMT (UK)
Sept 1909 at Rouse's Pt. New York Delle N. Bradley, 17, single, domestic, last residence Montreal crossed the border bound for her brother-in-law's.  Frank Anfossi of 245 W 35th St. New York, N.Y..  Mother in England given as Robina Bradley 24 Hughes St. Liverpool.  She was 4'7", fair complexion and blue eyes b. Liverpool and emigrated June 1901 on the Tunisian.

Debbie

So does that mean that the parents Robina and Joseph were still alive when they emigrated?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Sunday 01 November 09 21:49 GMT (UK)
I found John's birth.  That poor kid probbaly had an identity crisis! Born as Jean, censused as John and died as Giovanni!

I found Joseph Jean Arthur Anfossi, born on Nov 22, 1910 to Francois Anfossi and Elizabeth Bradley and baptized Nov 27.

The godparents are there, but they do not share a last name - Aurthur Geoffroise???? and his wife, Marce Paquette???  They might be a cousin of Franks or they might just be friends.

He was baptized at Notre Dame.

I wonder, we were told that Elizabeth used to work as a domestic at a lawyer named Geoffrion (I have no other detail). Maybe that's him? Apparently Frank and her met in his office  ;)
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 21:58 GMT (UK)
Actually Elizabeth crossed into the US in Sep 1907 as Bradley.  21, domestic, mother Ruby Bradley 24 Raffles Liverpool.  bound for New York, friend Mrs. ______ .  In 1907 when Francesco had crossed over his record did say single as well.  Perhaps the couple married in New York?  Frank's 1907 crossing also indicated he entered via Portland, 4/07 on the Dominion.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
From this site you can play around and find births, marriages and deaths.  Sometimes you have to use wild cards to find the different spellings names can be found under.

On the 1901 British census Joseph Bradley, 17, b. Liverpool is a billard marker in Birkenhead Cheshire working for John and Louisa Powell - owners of a pub.
Perhaps the Joseph Bradley on the 1910 US census in Lawrence Ward 6, Essex, Masschussetts, born 1884 England, emmigration year 1902, working as a patternmaker in a worsted mill is yours.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 01 November 09 22:19 GMT (UK)
The 1881 and 1891 British census show a birth of Liverpool for Joseph.  Don't know where he is on the 1871.  A quick look at the 1861 show 2 possibilities.  Parents Miche and Elizabeth are from Sligo Ireland but Thomas and Mary Ann are from Liverpool and Ireland respectively.  If you got Joseph's marriage certificate it would allow you to go back another generation as you would have his father's name.

There is a death for a Joseph Bradley that fits your timeframe.  At 48 Sept 1902 Lancaster 8e 417
I didn't find Robina on the 1901 census but from the border crossing entries it would appear that she was living.

Debbie
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Tuesday 03 November 09 06:02 GMT (UK)
There is a marriage Sep 1880 West Derby 8b 918 for Joseph Bradley and Robina Wheler
Birth for Robina Gray Wheeler Mar 1860 West Derby 8b 293

On the 1871 British census in Liverpool there is Robina Wheeler, 12 b. Liverpool living with sister Annie, 17, b. Liverpool, bookkeeper and her married mother Elizabeth Wheeler, 45, born Edinborough Scotland.  Father not present.

The 1881 census is slightly confusing.  It shows a number of people living at 103 Park St. South Toxteth Liverpool
Robina and her husband Joseph, 22. b. Liverpool, Biscuit maker (baker) are shown related to Thomas and Miriam Baker or Barker both born North Wales.  Joseph is shown as his son-in-law and yet directly below Robina is Margaret Walsh and then 54 year old Elizabeth Wheler born in Edinborough with her widowed actress daughter Elizabeth Ann L'estrange and Elizabeth's daughter.  It might seem that the relationships were misinterpreted?

Debbie


Hi Debbie
thanks for your help - I think I've got the bug too, I am starting to take that research very seriously LOL.
Not sure I understand the situation you mentioned. Robina and Joseph are living with Thomas and Miriam Baker (Barker). Joseph is Thomas's son in law? and Elizabeth Wheeler (Robina's mother) has a daughter Elizabeth Ann L'estrange (widowed) who has a daugther (Robina's niece)? I admit I am a bit lost  :-\ If you could help with this I would be grateful ;D
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Tuesday 03 November 09 06:50 GMT (UK)
Actually Elizabeth crossed into the US in Sep 1907 as Bradley.  21, domestic, mother Ruby Bradley 24 Raffles Liverpool.  bound for New York, friend Mrs. ______ .  In 1907 when Francesco had crossed over his record did say single as well.  Perhaps the couple married in New York?  Frank's 1907 crossing also indicated he entered via Portland, 4/07 on the Dominion.

OK, that means Frank and Elizabeth must have married after Sep 07 and before Sep 08, either in NY or in Montreal. I would say the latter, but I must try to find that out. Then they returned to NY in  Sep 1908, until_____? - Ruby went to NY in Dec, maybe she joined them there? But where was Joseph? Maybe already there and Nellie joined him in 1909? But would the girls not mention their brother when crossing the border? and the 1910 US census would have shown him with Frank, Elizabeth (then expecting John) and Nellie in NY  ???

About the mother, Robina, in England, yes, the various addresses in Liverpool given by the girls seem to suggest that they stayed in touch somehow... Hmm. I wonder...

Suzanne
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Friday 06 November 09 16:48 GMT (UK)
Can I ask someone for a lookup please?
I found a Joseph Bradley in Boston Passengers Lists 1820-1943, where J Jordan is listed as a friend. Is there a way to find out if he is James (Jim) Jordan? Maybe Joseph is travelling with his brother in law (Ruby's husband)? If so, that would seriously help in finding Joseph's whereabouts!
if anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.
Suzanne
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Thursday 12 November 09 00:52 GMT (UK)
I found John's birth.  That poor kid probbaly had an identity crisis! Born as Jean, censused as John and died as Giovanni!

I found Joseph Jean Arthur Anfossi, born on Nov 22, 1910 to Francois Anfossi and Elizabeth Bradley and baptized Nov 27.

The godparents are there, but they do not share a last name - Aurthur Geoffroise???? and his wife, Marce Paquette???  They might be a cousin of Franks or they might just be friends.

He was baptized at Notre Dame.

thanks for helping me out with this search, as soon as I can I will get a subscription to either FindMyPast or Ancestry :) In the meantime, I managed to find out more about Arthur Geoffrion and last weekend I met with his grand-niece (80), who has published his autobiography (in French only). She could not trace Elizabeth yet, but the info fits and also in 1907 he was appointed immigration legal counsel so that would perhaps explain why Frank got to be in his office at one point if he immigrated in 1906.

Anyway, it's just great to be able to give "life" to people like that :-)  By the way, "journalier" means a type of worker who takes jobs when he can and where he can - maybe it's the translation of "labourer"?
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: waiteohman on Thursday 12 November 09 02:04 GMT (UK)
Hello

Looks like Robina remarried. There is a marriage for a Robina Bradley December 1902 quarter volume 8b, page 109, Liverpool District. Possible spouse would be James Scott Knight or Evan Thomas.

Linda
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: J.J. on Tuesday 17 November 09 03:54 GMT (UK)
Here she is as Broadly in 1911, working in the Geoffrion household
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=103007

and yes, the BHC weren't always orphans, even the ones found in orphanages...Sometimes the new spouse didn't want the children...and so on...
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: cosmac on Wednesday 18 November 09 03:42 GMT (UK)
The ship you were asking about arrived Boston 24 Oct 1923 with 37 year old Joseph and 35 year old Gertrude.  Joseph was a pattern maker born in Bradford and gave a brother - L. Bradley 26 Orchard St. Bradford as his British contact.  Going to Providence Rhode Island.  They were going to his brother-in-law's, J. Jordan 287 Swan Street Providence Rhode Island.  This is probably the same Joseph Bradley, pattern-maker who appeared as a boarder in Lawrence Ward, Essex Mass. on the 1910 census.  He filled in a 1917 draft registration card as Joe Bradley showing a birth in Bradford North Yorkshire and a date of birth of 4 March 1890.  There was also a Joseph Bradley who arrived in New York in 1907 on the Baltic.  He was shown born in Bradford and had been employed as a model--maker.   It seems as though you could cross him off.

I tried to find a Joseph Bradley linked with Lavinia as that would agree with the record that J.J. found previously (attestation papers from WWI).  Not successful.

In 1930 there is in Valhalla Village, Westchester New York working as a handyman at the Blythdale Home Joseph Bradley 40, born England with both parents born England.  Immigration year 1905.  His wife is Lillian, a nurse at the home, also 40 b. England. Immigration year 1923.  They were 38 when they married - a first marriage for each.

Debbie

Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Friday 26 March 10 19:47 GMT (UK)
I found an Elizabeth Bradley (aged 15), Robina Bradley (aged 13) and Ellen Bradley (aged 12) in St Elizabeth's Institute in 1901 in Liverpool, England.

They were all born in Lanc, Liverpool.


Where does one find these records? :) It would be great if I could get a copy or something....

Added 27 March : Ok found them :) thanks anyway


Then I looked at the 1891 census for those name and found this:

Jospeh Bradley b. 1859  Warehouse Labourer
Robina Bradley b. 1861
Joseph Bradley b. 1895
Elizabeth Bradley b. 1886
Robina Bradley b. 1888
Ellen Bradley b. 1890 (the census transcript says Etter because the `R' in Robina loops down and crosses the `ll' in ellen, but it is clearly Ellen)

The lived in Toxteth Park.
All were born in Liverpool.


I finally subscribed to FindMyPast and wanted to look at the page but could never find it :( Is there something I am doing wrong? I found the others, though.

thanks!!

Added 27 March : Ok found them
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Friday 26 March 10 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hello

Looks like Robina remarried. There is a marriage for a Robina Bradley December 1902 quarter volume 8b, page 109, Liverpool District. Possible spouse would be James Scott Knight or Evan Thomas.

Linda

Looks like the man is Evan, from 1911 census. Robina is said to be 50 and have been married for 8 years (that would fit with a marriage in 1902) to Evan Thomas, 68.

thanks!

S.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Tuesday 20 April 10 00:58 BST (UK)
Hi everyone,
I just received the GRO marriage cert for Joseph and Robina (Wheler). Joseph's father is said to be John Bradley (deceased), tailor, but I've done some research and everything leads me to Michael Bradley, b. Ireland, also a tailor. Everything seems to fit (dates, censuses, spouses, children), except for the first name! :( Is it possible that he would have been recorded under different first names? or am I going the wrong way??

Also, the witnesses are Patrick Barrett and Kate Bradley. Would they be spouses? I found Patrick and Kate Barrett b Ireland in the 1881 census, and a Catherine Bradley as possibly Joseph's sister.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks.
Suzanne
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: waiteohman on Tuesday 20 April 10 01:17 BST (UK)
Hello Suzanne

I have a Michael (GRO Scotland birth record as Michael with no middle name) named for his grandfather. On 1901 Scotland census as Michael. On his WW1 attestation papers and parish death record he is Ivan. So it is possible. On his attestation papers his place of birth and date matched Michael's GRO birth, clinched it.

Linda
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: J.J. on Wednesday 21 April 10 16:57 BST (UK)
You may be in luck as marriages March Q. 1882
Patrick BARRETT with a Kate Bradley on page Toxteth Park   vol. 8b  p.450
There's a  Catherine BRADLEY, Servant at 142 Harrowby age 14 for the Mosely family...seems young, but 16 years olds married all the time so suppose could be..... you could pick up that marriage as well, but I suppose it could be a cousin as well as a sister, but you never know...

BTW my ancestor's family tended to use middle names as well....
~~~~~~~
Did you note that the fellow Joseph & Robina were with in 1881 Toxteth Park was a tailor as well...Might his name have been Parker as there appear to be some Parker/Bradley connections and there was a Parker 2 doors down...
and Elizabeth Wheler ( one household down, but same address) says wife ( head) but no husband shown.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: montie on Monday 26 April 10 14:55 BST (UK)
thanks for that, JJ, yes I did see the tailor connection... If John/Michael/Michl Bradley was a tailor and Joseph's dad indeed, the Bakers/Barkers/Parkers might have been connected/related but I don't think parents :( I am awaiting more certificates to clear a few things up, but it does look like the relationships in the 1881 census were perhaps misinterpreted, as Debbie said. I am pretty sure Elizabeth Wheler (possible maiden name Ganly) is Robina's mother, and Elizabeth Ann L'Estrange (or Strange as I found out since from m. between Elizabeth (Annie in 1871 census) Wheeler and John Strange in 1872), 26, is Robina's sister, and Elizabeth Ann (most probably Elizabeth and John's daughter), 6, her niece. Could not find John Strange anywhere after 1874 though.

Father George Wheeler is back on the 1891 Census. He was a mariner, so I suppose it's possible he was just not present for the other censuses... He is there with wife Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth (now Challand) and grand-daughter Elizabeth Strange.

I find it sometimes quite confusing, sigh. AND going in every directions  :o There are too many Josephs, Robinas and Elizabeths in that family, lol.

But it's looking good, at any rate if I am right I might have gone one generation back on grand-ma's maternal side :) Fingers crossed :)

S.
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: michelynn on Monday 18 April 11 19:28 BST (UK)
Suzanne,
   The Anfossi family of Canada are my brother's future in-laws.  Their Canadian relative is Joseph Leopold Anfossi born 24 Apr 1920 in Canada. He served in WWII and was a decorated Sergeant in the 2nd Armoured Regiment (Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians)) 5th Canadian Armoured Division http://www.rcaca.org/includes/r-LdSH.asp.

   Could Joseph Leopold (died 2005 in Irvine, California USA) be one of the 8 children you were referring to? I have a confirmed knowledge of 4: Joseph Jean Arthur b. 1910 (aka John, Giovanni),  Angelina Ruby Charlotte b. 1912 (aka Angiolina), Francois Joseph Stephen b. 1913 (aka Francesco), and Michele Secondo b. 1918.

  Trying to put together the family tree for my new extended family so I would love to know the rest of the family, the Bradley family included and if you are aware of Joseph Leopold because this is the only Anfossi family (Michele Francesco Anfossi and Elizabeth Bradley) that I have found in Canada. Thank you and God bless!

Michelle
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: michelynn on Tuesday 19 April 11 05:18 BST (UK)
Found Angelina Anfossi: Death in Manhattan, New York She died at 8 months 19 Dec 1909 so born possibly in April of that year. http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/NYCDEATHRESULTS.asp?soundex=&kind=exact&Esurname=Anfossi&Efirst=&StartYear=&EndYear=&B1=Submit
Title: Re: Bradley children
Post by: michelynn on Saturday 30 April 11 23:13 BST (UK)
I found John's Death in 1919.

Giovanni Anfossi on March 7 (registered March 10).  It says he was 8.  That fits.

It has the mother as Elizabeth Biedel.

It has the father as a `journalier'.  I could not find it in the translation program I often use.

Journalier means laborer.


Taken from Basilique Notre-Dame Parish Registers:

French:
Le dix Mars; mil neuf cent dix-neuf, nous, Prétré soussigné, avons inhumé dans le Cimetière de cette paroisse le corps de Giovanni Anfossi, fils de Francesco Anfossi, journalier, et de Elizabeth Biedel

décédé le sept du mois àgé de huit;
de la paroisse de Notre Dame du Mont. Carmel
Témoins: Francois Desmarchais et Lindsay Cochetiere tons deux commis

Loose English Translation:
On March 10th, nineteen hundred nineteen, we, the undersigned priest, have buried in the cemetery of this parish the body of Giovanni Anfossi, son of Francesco Anfossi, laborer, and Elizabeth Biedel

passed away on seven of the month aged eight;
Parish of Our Lady of Mt. Caramel
Witnesses: Francois Desmarchais and Lindsay Cochetiere two clerks