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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: lorna llan on Monday 02 November 09 20:25 GMT (UK)
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I'm in the last stages of preparing a map of Glanogwen Cemetery in Bethesda, for the book of gravestone transcriptions. Along with this will go a map showing as many addresses as possible in the Glanogwen parish. I have found about half of the 250 addresses using an old 6-inch map, and the street names are not a problem. However Bethesda was very rich in places of worship and places to drink and many are not there any more. Also, there were some shops....
I would appreciate any help with finding these places.
Britannia Inn Crown Inn Gerlan Inn King's Arms King's Head Llangollen Hotel/Inn Mona Inn Queen Tavern Royal Oak Ship Inn Stag Inn Temperance Hotel Victoria Hotel Waterloo Hotel Wellington Vaults
Capel Cwtta Braichmelyn Siloam Street Bryn Salem Caer Salem Ty Capel Jerusalem Ty Capel Ty Capel Tyn y maes
Bodffordd House Bontuchaf Shop Caxton House Crompton House Lorne House Manchester House Gerlan Railway House Sheffield House Carneddi Victoria House
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Hi Lorna
I lived in Bethesda many years ago but none of these ring a bell!!
I lived in Bontuchaf and there was definitely no shop there The nearest shop was along Carneddi Road, next door to the chapel. The chapel has now been demolished and houses built there.
There was a house converted to a pub further along Carneddi Road. If you came up from the village past Carneddi Infants School and turned left up the hill to Carneddi Road then turned left towards Rachub the "pub" was in one of the first few houses on the left hand side of the road.
Hope this is of some use. PM me if you need any more info
Sandgrounder
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Hi Lorna,
Located a lot of your pubs. Will send you details when I've looked for the others, and the rest of your places/chapels etc.
Regards
Quarryman
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I should think that the Royal Oak listed is the present pub of that name on the square in Rachub; Quarryman will no doubt put you straight.
Pinot
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Yes, the Royal Oak collects all the business that was once taken in by the five pubs in a row that spread along that street. (I have had a close look at the 1880 census.)
It turns out there was another Royal Oak in Bethesda at one time, but I can't figure out where it was.
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Hi lorna,
Here is the first batch - they are all in High Street. Waterloo Inn (No.11), Queens (15), Menai (24), Ship (25), Virginia Vaults (28), Victoria (34) Britannia (37), Wellington (no number given), Royal Oak (no number given), Kings Head (51), Crown (55), Coach and Horses (72), Queens Head (79), Blue Bell (81).
There appears to be another Ship somewhere between 37 and 51 High Street, and two Stars, one at 13 and the other at 88, but one may be the Stag. Possible the Mona may be the Menai.
Will crack on
Regards
Quarryman
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Hi Lorna
There IS a Royal Oak in Rachub. Others for your Bethesda list: Sportsman (No 1 High Street), Swan (3), Bull Inn (75), Castle Inn (14), George Inn (55 Carneddi Road). The Stag is 13 High Street and the Star 83.
All the pubs I have given you are circa 1871.
More to follow.
Regards
Quarryman
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Hi Lorna
It was the George that I remembered (but not the name!) in Carneddi Road.
I looked at Bontuchaf on the 1901 census and there was a "shop Bontuchaf". Unfortunately there don't seem to numbers on that census - I'll have a look at some of the other censuses as it isn't clear which end they started at!!
Sandgrounder
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Hi Lorna,
Update: by 1891 most of the pubs had disappeared and new ones arrived; the Castle Inn was somewhere between 1 and 12 High Street, the Stag had become the Royal Stag Vaults and occupied 12/13, the Mona Inn was at 21, Llangollen Vaults at 29 (?), Britannia at 37 (?), Kings Head and Crown Inn somewhere between 37 and 72, occupied by the Coach and Horses, and the Blue Bell at 81 (?).
More (hopefully) follows.
Regards
Quarryman
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Do you think that when the Stag became the Royal Stag Vaults they had a refit and aimed for a more upmarket demographic?
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http://www.archiveshub.ac.uk/news/pubs-cefnfaes.html
The above site might be of interest!!!
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I didn't see the Llangollen mentioned. Isn't that the pub at the top end almost opposite the spar shop. Famous for still using the old money until quite recently. ::)
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That one is the Douglas Arms, which I hear has recently made the switch to new money.
But the Llangollen is still in business, I think.
I may have to have a walk up Bethesda High St sometime soon.
Does anyone know where the old smithies were in Bethesda? I have 3 references from the graveyard (sorry can't do a to bach , which should be over the o in Gof)
Gof, Douglas Terrace
Gof, Minyllyn, Bethesda
Gof, Gerlan
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Lorna
The book Byd Go Iawn Un Noson Ola Leuad by J Elwyn Hughes has a detailed descripition of the locations of a lot of the places.Also old photos
Worth getting hold of if just for the indepth info concerning the area.
Gwil
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Brilliant idea. My Welsh is almost good enough to read the picture captions, and I have already found Manchester House and Crompton House in the pictures.
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Apparently my great grand father used to preach at Ty Capel Jerusalem - still stands today - so obviously nothing too earth shattering! even for a Calvinistic Methodist! (I can hear Nain now shouting at me for that!)
Down the hill on the main steet on the left hand side as you go up the valley!
Diolch
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Capel Jerusalem has outlasted most of the others, and is the most prominent building on the main street in Bethesda.
I've located many of the pubs, but am still unsure about Capel Salem. Bethesda addresses have Brynsalem and Caersalem and Salem Terrace, but where they are--or were--is still a mystery. Another is the address called Ty'n Pwll. And has anyone climbed over the remains of Castell in Tregarth near Bethesda?
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My grandparents ran Lorne House as a shop and sold it in 1943. I don't remember it' but if you need more, my uncle is still alive and knows all about Bethesda 1930s onwardsThe family all went to Capel Jerusalem.
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For anyone who's interested in Bethesda history and Bethesda families--or wants to check if we have made mistakes--the Gwynedd Family History Society has now published the results of our labours in Glanogwen churchyard, transcriptions of all the Bethesda graves from about 1860 through the 1920's and up to the present. After the council cemetery at Coetmor was opened (1920's) the number of burials at Bethesda decreased, but there were still quite a few. Welsh gravestones give a lot of information in addition to a person's name, such as address and names of spouse or parents.
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Hi
I've been told that all the pubs are on one side of the road, as Lord Penrhyn closed the pubs on the side he owned at the time of the Penrhyn Quarry strike. I'm sure some 'howgets' can elaborate.
The following is pasted from Wikipedia:
Most of the town is to the east and north east of the A5 road with housing packed onto the hill-side in irregular rows. This was due to the A5 marking the border of Lord Penrhyn's land, and the freehold land. This can still be seen in the layout of the current high street where all the public houses are only found on one side of the road.
EmyrBorth
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Hi Lorna
I discovered last night that my g-grandparents are buried in Glanogwen Cemetery. They were John and Margaret Hughes with their address being given as 79 High Street.
Previous to that they lived in 6 Long Street, Gerlan from where they buried 3 Children - Charlote Ellen, John Stephen and Hugh.
I think that the High Street address was that of their son, Edward who kept a Pork Butchers, or else their daughter Ellen who had a draper's shop in Penrhyn House opposite.
I wonder if you can add anything to that.
Regards
Alwyn
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Alwyn
Are you aware of the book 'Byd Go Iawn Un Nos Ola Leuad' recently published by John Elwyn Hughes? (possibly I refer to it in this thread. I haven't read all the thread for a while)
The book (in Welsh) deals with the people behind the characters and the placenames in the Bethesda based novel Un Nos Ola Leuad by Caradog Pritchard which was set in early 20th C.
It deals with Porcsiop and has an advert by Edward T Hughes, High Street plus some photos of the shop etc. The shop was at 79 High Street
Penrhyn House was called Y Siop Ddu and there are some photos. It is shown though as being run by Roberts Bros
Gwil
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Thank you Gwil for that information.
Just been to the Library for Caradog Prichard's book and put in a request for that of J Elwyn Hughes.
Alwyn
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I'm sorry to cut across the conversation, but I'm currently researching into Bethesda myself, and am very interested to find out more about Lorne House. I notice that merchobont mentions that her grandparents used to run the place. I would very much like to get some more information...! Is merchobont still on this, is it possible to contact her directly? (new to the website!)
I kindly appreciate any help!
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Is it Crompton House or Compton House?
Looking at Bethseda Chapel from the front to the left were "Shop No 1, Lloyds Bank and then Compton House (Cobbler's Shop - Siop J R Jones).
Looking on street view, it isn't where the DOB Trydanwr/Electrical shop is now. Rather, it fitted in under the arched window of the Funeral Directors next door and the Electrical shop.
What a coincidence! I took "Byd Go Iawn Un Nos Ola Leuad" out of the library this afternoon.
See what else I can find
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Adding to Merchobont and Jinibach's posts
Lorne House was the newsagents opposite Penrhyn House
Coming down the high street you had on the LHS
Shop No1 (Bakers my mother worked there for years) - the entrance to the Park - Capel Bethesda - steps to the Youth Club - the Midland Bank and then Lorne House, followed by a small grocery/sweet shop and then Siop Bells.
As a howget this shop I remember it was ran by Sarah and Will (who lived in Carneddi Road, they had a son called Ronald). Dot a regular church goer also worked in the Shop. Its very possible that they bought the business from Merchobont's family.
I would be taught to recite by Aunti Sarah. Both her and Uncle Will were not only regulars of the George Inn in Carneddi, but also good friends of my mother and fathers as well as my aunty and uncle in the george.
I can only recall Penrhyn House (aka Siop Ddu) it was more or less two doors down from Manchester House (which was ran by Nellie Tan Graig it sold wool, materials cotton etc). and next door to her was Mrs. Price's sweet shop.
hope this helps you out a bit more Jinnibach
hwyl
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Siop Bontuchaf
I was very interested to find this thread. I have been looking at my family tree and have found a sister of my great grandmother who was living at the siop at the time of her death in 1900. She was the daughter of David and Sarah Evans of Glan'rafon. I have found the same shop mentioned in the Census but as far as I can see there is no address to determine which one it is. What type of shop might it have been, any ideas?
Incidentally, several members of the family all died within a short period, does anyone know whether there were any epidemics around at that time?
Please could you tell me whether the publication mentioned about the MI's of Coetmor and Glanogwen is available to buy?
Thank you for reading this, any help would be appreciated
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That one is the Douglas Arms, which I hear has recently made the switch to new money.
The prices in old money were, if I remember, quite frightening as I was remembering old prices! Also remember someone being told to leave the premises if they wanted to use "English money!"
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Siop Bontuchaf
I have found a sister of my great grandmother who was living at the siop at the time of her death in 1900. She was the daughter of David and Sarah Evans of Glan'rafon. I have found the same shop mentioned in the Census but as far as I can see there is no address to determine which one it is. What type of shop might it have been, any ideas?
I live in David and Sarah's house. There's also a picture of them, in the garden, in J Elwyn Hughes' book 'Un Nos Ola Leuad'. They had two daughters, spinsters who died in old age around about the 1980's/90's. I'm intrigued by the possibility you mention, that there was another daughter. As I understood it, from the tales that the last surviving daughter told me, they were his only children.
Incidentally, I know that a Joseph Rutter lived here before David and Sarah. A few years back, eight feet down, at the bottom of a ?communal ash pit in the garden, I found a slate which had scratched on it "Joseph Rutter Aoed (sic) 29 =1816 (?)Jane (?) Mair 27 1816 ". I saw, but forget the details of a subsequent census , which showed them as still resident in the house.
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Hi ParcMeurig,
Thank you for your post.
My great grandmother was the sister of David Evans, the father of the Evans sisters who you presumably bought the house from. Therefore the owner of the shop was the aunt of the sisters and the sister of David.
Incidentally, it its quite confusing because David (known as David David Evans) is the son of David Evans Sr and his mother was also Sarah.
We came to Bethesda several years ago on a visit and the owner of the house kindly let us see the house although I can't remember whether this was number 7 or 8 as they owned both at one time.
I don't know whether it was you who showed us the house but if so, we really appreciated it and it was a very special visit down memory lane. My only regret is that I didn't take any photos. I have looked on Google map and can see these houses, it looks as though number 7 is the last one in the row and then number 8 is sideways on to the road?
We hope to visit the area sometime again in the future with the purpose of visiting the graveyards to see whether we can get any more information from that source.
Thank you again for your help.
A James
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In the sixties and seventies, my uncle Arfon and auntie May lived over their shop in Ogwen Terrace just opposite the war memorial. There was a very imposing looking chapel opposite but I can't remember its name. They had a long narrow garden backing on to the river Ogwen. I loved the sound of the river at night after the A5 traffic died down!
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Going off your description and looking at Google Earth,was it this(Capel Jerusalem?)
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/67/41/2674106_01f7cd6e.jpg
Regards
Roger
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Going off your description and looking at Google Earth,was it this(Capel Jerusalem?)
Thank you for positing the image Roger. The facade looks vaguely familiar but it was a very long time ago ;)
Heather
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Hi Hiraeth,
It was Capel Jerusalem. My grandfather wrote about it being built in 1870/71 in his diary. Will look up the relevant entries..
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Capel Jerusalem was apparently one of several venues my great grandfather preached at.
Thomas Rowlands left for the USA leaving behind his eldest son John Rowlands b 1813 whose son John b 1840 d 1908 in turn carried on the family tradition of giving a sermon. John Rowlands snr was known as John Thomas until the emigrated father died and then you have John snr and jnr both giving the congregations sermons as they travelled the countryside from the Owen valley to Beddgelert and down to the Llleyn - practically the south coast. Apparently John had no mode of transport so must have walked the routes over the mountainous terrain.
Quarryman, if on your research you find any reference to any of the above tale from a family bible held please could you let me know?
Mair
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My grandfather was born in Bethesda. I don't speak Welsh so the books listed here are no good to me. :-\ all his family are from the surrounding areas.
I have found the majority of them on the censuses and I do have a book about slate quarrymen but am interested in further background information regarding life in Bethesda such as housing, schools etc.
Also I must buy the map of the cemetery talked about by the OP or is it available online these days?
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I don't think Capel Cwta in Braich Melyn was ever a chapel. It was and is the name of a house.
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I cannot say that I ever remember a Chapel in Braichmelyn, however now my attention has been drawn to it, historically, there's a reason why this is house was called Capel. It must have been a place of worship for a particular denomination years ago. Non conformists were renowned for meeting in barns and houses or anywhere to practice their religion. There is definitely a story in the name
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I see that this is an older message strand, but think it's worth a shot to see if anyone can assist...
My GGG Grandfather was Evan Griffith Evans, who lived in Gerlan. He was born around 1835 in Malldraeth, Anglesey. Census (1871) shows that he lived in Glanogwen Parish, and was married to Mary Evans, possibly born in 1833. We do not have any records of his death and burial.
My sister and I are visiting Bethesda in June, and would love to be able to see a gravesite, and possibly visit the parish church if the family indeed attended there. Could anyone help with additional information? It sounds like the records referenced in the initial posting could be helpful in our search. Thank you! Kind regards. Heather (Evans) DeFer, Michigan, US.
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Is this Evan in 1871 - reference RG10 5732 31 12 -
Evan Evans, age 36, Quarryman, born Trefdraeth, Anglesey
Mary Evans, age 34, born Llangeinwenn, Anglesey
+ 6 children
Address - 19, Well Street, Llanllechid
Ecclesiastical District - Glanogwen
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If that is "your" Evan in 1871, this is the family in 1881 - reference RG11 5578 35 22
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On the 1891 Census Evan gives PoB as "Malldraeth" and Mary's PoB is "Llangeinwen".
Out of interest do you have details of a Census later than the 1871 census mentioned in your first post? Trying to pinpoint possible death decade ie. between Censuses.
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Replying to two subjects here
The chapel in Braich Melyn could well be a meeting house the literal translation is Chapel Barely ! So Merchcymraeg could be punting the right way on that one!
And for possible burial records for Llanllechid can I direct Hdefer to www.yffor.com where for a donation you can have a months access to parish records - it confirmed some of my Rowlands bits n bobs.
Mair
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In 1881 and 1891 Evan and Mary Evans are at 16 Goronwy Street.
In 1901 (ref RG13 5285 59 11) there's an Evan and Mary Evans at 16 Goronwy Street but both have PoB as Llanllechid. This Evan is a Slate Quarry Worker, age 61 (YoB about 1840) and Mary is 65 (YoB about 1836).
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Death notice, in Welsh, of 66 year old Evan Evans, Goronwy Street, Gerlan, in "Gwalia, 15th Nov 1904.
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3802069/3802072/33/
The article mentions William Parry, next door neighbour. There is a William Parry living at 15 Goronwy Street on the 1901 Census.
The article doesn't identify burial place.
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Thank you everyone! I believe that the Evan and Mary that you have all found is very likely him. Birth years seem to be accurate within a couple of years, and all of the other details match the little bit that we know, including the specific addresses throughout the census records.
I believe around 1904 (when it appears he passed away), his oldest son - also Evan G. Evans (my GG Grandfather) moved south to Mountain Ash, possibly due to the strike at the slate quarry, but now it appears that it may also have happened after his father passed away.
I was able to roughly translate the death notice that was sent along, and now I will work to figure out his burial location (if one can be found). Thank you all so very much for your help!
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Llanllechid Parish church registers are on line at FindMyPast but I cannot see an entry for Evan Evans died late November 1904.
The newspaper item is a puzzle. Evan was found in the afternoon by his next door neighbour who had been popping in daily to check on him (he had been in poor health a number of years). Where was Mary and there is no mention of a Mrs Evans in the newspaper item. Wondered if Evan was a widower. If so, and the 1901 census is correct, Mary would have died 1901-1904 - but I cannot spot a death that fits this period.
Another possibility is that Mary died 1891 -1901 and Evan remarried a Llanllechid girl in this period, also a Mary - hence the confusion over the birth places in 1901. There are a dozen or so Caernarvonshire marriages - with 3 in Bangor - of Evan Evans marrying a Mary, 1891-1901. Oh the tribulations of researching the surname Evans in Wales!!
Apologies for the speculation and pob lŵc
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I also looked up Glanogwen and LLanllechid Burial records with no luck. I agree with Hanes Teulu that Mary must have passed after April 1901
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There is a possibleMary on the 1911 Census (cannot post details - T&C Rootschat). It hinges on PoB - and links to PoB on the 1901 census.
FindMyPast has a burial at Glanogwen parish church for a Mary Evans, age 77, on Feb 12 1912, abode 1 Caerberllan, Bethesda. This is not the same address as the possible Mary on the 1911 census - but it is is the adjoining street.
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Well that is interesting. Curious that she wasn’t mentioned in her husbands death notice and possibly lived apart from him, who knows. Will have to do more checking at Glanogwen when we go. Thank you very much!
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Sorry Hanes Teulu, Caerberllan is not adjoining to Goronwy Street. Caerberllan is a very small street at the foot of Braichmelyn. It is one row of small houses just before you get to Bontwr. Its very possible she may have moved there from Goronwy Street following the death of her husband, but I find it very strange that the husbands death was discovered by the neighbour and there's no mention of her in the death notice.
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I dont know if someone can confirm this but I believe Caerberllan Cottages were quarry workers houses built for purpose so to speak
thanks
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Quick reply,
Yes indeed they are quarry workers houses and are in fact listed
https://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/300018408-caerberllan-bethesda#.Ws6eZhPTU4N
M
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I was using "adjoining" in the sense of "next to" not "joined to". I'd checked this 1914 map -
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/Map/262732/366039/12/101050
(Note - you will need to use the zoom button (-) to view)
I was puzzled by the fact that Mary's 1912 address was "No. 1 Caerberllan" but "No. 1" did not exist on the 1911 census. I had hoped to find a link between the family at "No. 1 Caerberllan" in 1911 and Mary.
regards
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Quarryman: Interested to find the only reference to where The Sportsman pub was located. Have looked at google maps, streetview and either the dental surgery at No 3 was once two properties or No 1 has disappeared. My great x3 grandmother's brother, Hugh Thomas was the publican in the 1841 and 1851 censuses. I can't find any trace of him and his family after that. Another brother, David Thomas, was also a publican on the High street in both the 1841 and 1851 censuses. No pub name here though and I only found out about the Sportsman from their father's death certificate. Any further information would be welcomed.
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Siop Bells was The Blue Bell pub.
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Hello All,
I`m looking for any info about the Cefnfaes Vaults. My Gt, Gt, Taid: Isaac Davies was Landlord there around 1890 onwards .
Diolch.
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Cadnant,
A warm welcome to Rootschat. Have you checked Welsh newspapers online? If not -
http://newspapers.library.wales
Put "cefnfaes vaults" in Search (include the " " as part of search key).
Cofion cynnes
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Liverpool Mercury, 28 Sep 1894
"Bangor Brewster Sessions
Mr Lloyd Carter applied for the renewal of the license of the Cefnfaes Vaults, Bethseda, which was opposed by Mr D Owen who pointed out that there were within 280 yards no fewer than 16 fully licensed houses. Evidence in opposition to the renewal was given by Mr John Jones, bookseller, who stated that out of 42 houses down that side of the street 14 were public houses. The licence was renewed."
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Cadnant,
The London Gazette http://thegazette.co.uk/all-notices
Put "cefnfaes vaults" in Text search and click on "Update results"
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London Mercury, 29 Aug 1894
Bangor Sessions
"Mr D Owen said that in in addition to the objections by the police, he proposed objecting to the renewals of the George and Dragon, Bangor; the Menai Bridge Vaults, Bethseda; and the Cefnfaes Vaults, Bethseda. Mr R S Dew, Mr W Thornton Jones, Mr Lloyd Carter and Mr Twigge Ellis appeared for the license holders, and the notices of the of the objections having been proved, it was decided to hear them at at an adjourned session on September 27th".
(The result of that adjourned session in the Liverpool Mercury item previously posted"
I was intrigued by some of the stats in the item -
" ... there were 120 houses and shops licensed for the sale of intoxicating liquors in the district ... The number in each parish was as follows:- Aber, 1, population 442; Bangor 82, one to every 140 of population; Llandegai 1, population 3246; Llanfairfechan 13, one to every 185; Llanllechid 23, one to every 211 of population"
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Hanes Teulu,
Thank you for your welcome and the info you have supplied. There are some very interesting articles about the Cefnfaes Vaults.
This one, please click on the link was of particular interest and was from the time my family ran the pub. https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3603003/3603009/68/cefnfaes%20vaults
This links in very well with a tale that my great nain stood up in a Temperance Meeting in the village and accused some of those present of being hypocrites. This as they were claiming to be tea total, but were coming to the back door of the pub for their beer.
I understand that due to the hypocritical attitude of some of the tea totallers, and that of members for the chapel the family attended, that they (Isaac`s family) joined the Anglican church. I`m not sure which one but probably Christ Church of Glanogwen.
I`m on a mission to visit the cemeteries as soon as I can. I went to Glanogwen a few years ago but couldn`t find what I was looking for.
I believe Isaac was still at the Cefnfaes in 1900. This as there is an article in "Y Werin" ON 29th March 1900 saying that his son, Alfred had just retuned from the Boer War and had server under General Buller. It seems that Alfred married a Jennie Roberts from Caernarfon on 17th May 1900.
In the 1901 Census, Isaac is a visitor at the Eagles Hotel, Caernarfon. This run by his son-in-law and daughter. On the staff as a barmaid is my great nain. Isaac`s wife and Alfred are both at the Cefnfaes Vaults. Alfred is described as married, private in Royal Welsh Fusiliers, but wife is not on census.
By the 1911 census Isaac is no longer with us. His widow, Alfred and several other family members now live at4 Mostyn Terrace. Alfred is a quarryman, single and no mention of his wife ? My great nain married in 1902, and in 1911 they were living at 13 Coetmor Mount. My great Taid, being William Henry Jones, Quarryman. During the "Great Strike" he had found work in South Wales, and Liverpool.
The Cefnfaes appears to have been closed due to the owner, Thomas Morris Jones going bankrupt in 1903. This as a result of the Great Strike.
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3654125/3654131/39/cefnfaes%20vaults
Many thanks again, and hope you kind the above of some interest.
Cofion gorau.
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Cadnant,
Glad you found newspapers on line useful.
Did you check on Isaac's "career" at the Pontrhyddallt Inn eg. The North Wales Express, 2 Feb 1883
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Yes, I have read about the Pontrhyddallt Inn and the court hearing.
Although I`m not sure if the executioner, the MP and Sir Watkin Williams Wynn visited the pub or whether their names went in the book as some kind of joke ?
The Mr Harwood who allegedly wrote the names in the book was Isaac`s brother in law, Henry Harwood a Londoner who owned several pubs/hotels in and around Caernarfon.
Thiis link may be of interest to you. It mentions most of Isaac`s family.
http://www.carnarvon.f9.co.uk/noble.html
Cofion.
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A quick mention about no pubs in Llandegai. Lord Penrhyn would not allow a pub to be built or any form of liquor to be produced/sold and as you can imagine he carried quite a bit of clout with any decisions of this nature.
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Blue Bell Inn. Old Queens Head
Bull Inn. Coach & Horses.
Crown Inn. Kings Head Inn.
Ship Inn. Royal Oak Inn.
Wellington Vaults. Britannia Inn.
Victoria Hotel. Llangollen Vaults.
Mona Inn. Menai Bridge Inn.
Queens Inn. Stag Inn.
Waterloo Inn. Kings Arms.
Percival Arms. Castle Inn ( Castle House)Douglas Arms hotel. The George inn,Caerneddi.
Yes there was a shop in Bontuchaf at one time.
You can find more information and photos on our page on Facebook-Atgofion Bethesda/Memories of Bethesda. :)
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Some say that lord Penrhyn didn't want pubs on one side of the high street, others say that they are on one side because the river keeps the beer cold.
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I’m probably related to merchobont as my great grandfather G Roberts ran the bookseller and stationers at Lorne house and then it was taken on by his daughter (my grandmother) until the mid 1940’s. I have photos showing my grandparents outside the shop.