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My gt x2 grandfather was Robert John Henry who died at Bordeaux 3/8/1866. Robert John's letters of administration gives his address as: 'late of Drumlambf House in the County of Derry in Ireland'. Incidentally my Robert John Henry was an army officer.
I understand that Robert John's father was James Henry who died at Fairview Castledawson 24/11/1851. James' widow Elizabeth died 12/4/1866 at Morville Rectory Londonderry.
Rev Robert Henry (James Henry's father) died at Fairview Castledawson16/12/1802
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Welcome to Rootschat.
Robert J. Henry, Esq. of Drumlamph House, died 24 June 1866 at Bordeaux- late Captain 4th Dragoon Guards
Elizabeth Henry died 11 Apr.1866 at Moville Rectory, Co. Donegal- late husband was James Henry, Esq., of Drumlamph, county Londonderry.
James Henry (age 87) died 24 Nov.1850 at Fairview House, Co. Londonderry.
Possibly child of James and Elizabeth Henry: daughter born 27 July 1831 Fairview.
Marriage of Robert Henry: 11 May 1854 St. Petrox [Petroc's?] Church, Dartmouth- Capt. R.J. Henry, 4th Dragoon Guards of Fairview Co.Derry, to Eliza Ann, only daughter of Captain Forester, Royal Artillery, of the Wilderness, Dartmouth.
Possibly child of Robert Henry: son born 22 Sept.1855 Rathbone's Hotel, Kingstown (father Capt. Henry, 4th Dragoon Guards)- survived only a few hours.
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A bit more about this Henry family in case it's of interest-
Elizabeth Jane Henry, only daughter of late James Henry of Fairview married 14 June 1860 St. Anne's Church, Dublin to Rev. William Major, Rector of Upper Moville (Diocese of Derry).
-this explains why her mother died in Moville Rectory in 1866.
Let me know if you can more details.
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Wow, that's amazing! Thank you so much - absolutely delighted!
I have a large mourning portrait painted in 1862 of my great grandfather (Edward Cecil Christy Henry born 1858) holding a dead finch! I always wondered who might have died ... Do you know the infant's name? So both this infant and E C C Henry were born in Dublin.
The couple had one other child - Jocelyn James Coghill Henry born 1861 in Torquay
Sadly Robert John Henry and Eliza Mary Ann divorced in 1860 - she was the petitioner.
On rechecking Robert John Henry's death, I see letters of administration were granted 3/8/1866, his death was actually 23/6/1866.
James Henry's will was proved 1851 - I knew he died 24th November. My error, many thanks for the correction! James' wife Elizabeth was aged 79 when she died in 1866, and yes you're correct again, she died at Moville Rectory.
My understanding is that James Henry & Elizabeth had several children in addition to Robert John: Eliza Jean baptised 2/9/1831, Annie & Sarah (possibly twins) baptised 18/2/1833, presumably the birth to which you refer is that of Eliza Jean. So Eliza Jean turns out to be Elizabeth Jane! Do you know when her sisters died?
Please could you repeat the date of Elizabeth Jane's marriage - a digit is missing from the year.
The Rev Robert Henry who died at Fairview 1802 was aged 96 years. He had been a minister in Castledawson Presbyterian Church 57 years - ordained 7/6/1743 and resigned his ministry 28/10/1798.
James Henry had at least one brother, John born 11/11/1761 at Fairview Castledawson, died in Richmond Virginia 21/8/1807. He was buried in Grace Episcopal Churchyard, Yorktown Cemetery VA - grave stone erected by James.
And, what is your interest in the family?
Many thanks for all your comments & info - all very much appreciated.
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just another wee snipet.
willam miller major was his full name and his father was james major.
regards mary.
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Have split the posts on these Henry from the Drumlamph thread to avoid confusion.
"Possibly child of Robert Henry: son born 22 Sept.1855 Rathbone's Hotel, Kingstown (father Capt. Henry, 4th Dragoon Guards)- survived only a few hours."
-child only lived a few hours and was not named in paper. It's possible that it wasn't baptised and was never given a name. The child was born at Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire) not Dublin.
Robert Henry's death date 24 June 1866 from newspaper obituary.
Daughter of Rev. W.M Major, Prebendary of Moville, born 22 July 1862.
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Many thanks to you both, all 'snipets' are very much appreciated..
Please could you tell me which newspapers reported the deaths of Capt R J Henry in 1866 & his "possible" son in 1855.
I would especially like to read the report on the infant's death - army records state that Capt R J Henry served in the Crimea from 1st October 1854 to 9th September 1855...
Does anyone know how my gt x2 grandfather Capt Robert John Henry is related to R John Henry of Fairview?
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Please could you tell me which newspapers reported the deaths of Capt R J Henry in 1866 & his "possible" son in 1855.
I would especially like to read the report on the infant's death - army records state that Capt R J Henry served in the Crimea from 1st October 1854 to 9th September 1855...
Londonderry Sentinel but there was no 'report' of child's death- just simple announcement with no further details.
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Does anyone know how my gt x2 grandfather Capt Robert John Henry is related to R John Henry of Fairview?
Not sure if I follow this- Capt. Robert John Henry, 4th Dragoons (your ancestor) is given 'of Fairview' in the material I posted above which refers to his (or his father's) residence in Co. Londonderry.
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Thanks for the newspaper info. I've had a brief search for the death notices, but without success, will try again tomorrow. I assume the mourning portrait is connected to the infant's death...the couple lived apart virtually their entire married life and divorced in 1860.
Baptismal records confirm my ancestor, Capt R.J. Henry, was baptised 8/9/1829 at Castledawson Presbyterian Church, the son of James Henry of Fairview. Incidentally, Eliza Mary Anne's maiden name was Forster, not Forester (she was born at Southend, Sydenham in 1833).
In 1861 there appear to be two R J Henry's - 'my' Capt Robert John Henry and R John Henry the magistrate of Fairview. Does anyone know how these two people are related - could they be the same individual?
I've just re-checked James Henry's death - the Gentleman's Mag, Page 110 definitely gives the date as 24/11/1851. His will was also proved in 1851..
Attached: Letters of Administration confirming the death date of R J Henry as 23/6/1866
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An update on the Henry family:
James Henry married Elizabeth Holland 7/12/1827 at Faughanvale Co. Derry - it was a Church of Ireland ceremony; James was Presbyterian.
The certificate confirms that James lived at Fairview Castledawson, his wife came from Carrowreagh*, Finvoy, Antrim. [* Spelling on the marriage certificate - Carryreagh]
Elizabeth Henry (neé Holland) died 11/4/1866 aged 80 years at Rectory House, Moville, Co. Donegal. The death certificate says she was a 'gardener's widow'.
Their daughter Elizabeth Jane did indeed marry William Miller Major at St Anne's Church Dublin on 14/6/1860. One of the wedding witnesses was my great X2 grandfather, Robert John Henry, the other witness was John Collir(?) Major. Elizabeth's address at marriage was 3 Clare Street Dublin. James Miller Major's address was Rectory House Morville, Co. Derry.
Elizabeth Jane was baptised as Eliz Jean Henery on 2/9/1831 at Castledawson Presbyterian Church.
I would like to know more about James' occupation - was he a landscape gardener?
Also, can anyone help me with Elizabeth Holland's ancestry?
Many thanks.
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The townland is Carrowreagh.
Perhaps better to start a new query on ANTRIM board instead of details of Holland family being posted here.
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I am researching the Miller Family and can confirm the Henry family connection to Major Family.
Rev William Miller Major, Rector of Culmore, Canon of Derry and Rural Dean of Morville, Co. Derry married Elizabeth Jane Henry at St Anne, Dublin on 14 June 1860. Witnesses to the marriage were John Croker Major (brother of William Miller Major) and Robert John Henry.
Elizabeth Jane Henry (died 1913) was the daughter of James Henry Esq. of Drumlamph Co. Londonderry.
Their daugher Elizabeth Catherine Major married William Louis Gilliland Esq, Barrister of Eshcol (died 1904).
The children from this marriage were:
Daughter: Louise Elizabeth Frances Gelliland
Son: William Miller Major Gelliland, Lieut. R Inniskilling Fusiliers, b. 1894, killed in action 1915 Helles (Gallipoli campaign, Turkey).
Rev William Miller Major was the son of Catherine Miller and James Major QC. Catherine Miller was the daughter of William Miller, Collector of Excise for Londonderry and Catherine Croker, the daughter of John Croker of Waterford, Surveyor General of Ireland for Customs and Excise and half sister of John Wilson Croker MP.
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Many thanks Annette54.
Just to add to your info, Louise Elizabeth Frances Gilliland married Cyril Bland Aylward in 1922 at St Martins in London. Cyril died in 1971 but am uncertain when Louise died...think it may have been sometime during the 1950's.
Capt. Robert John Henry (Elizabeth Jane Henry's brother) was my great X2 grandfather.
Do you know anything more about the Henry family, in particular James Henry of Drumlamph and his wife Elizabeth Holland (nee Christy)?
How are you connected with the Miller family?
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Catherine Miller that married James Major QC was the eldest daughter of William Miller, the Collector of Excise for Londonderry. On 22 May 1824, there is a newspaper report of the death of James Major Esq at Kilmallock, an Officer of Excise. The fathers appear to have had a professional connection.
I am descended from William Miller's third son Croker Miller. William purchased a position of ensign in th 17th Regt for his son Croker. His first deployment was a guard on a convict ship to Sydney, Australia in 1830. In Sydney, Croker met and married Matilda Kinchela, the daughter of John Kinchela, Attorney General of then Colony of New South Wales. The regiment then went to India. Matilda followed her husband to India. Eventually they returned to Ireland. My great grandfather was born in Ireland. Some of the family including my great grandfather, Rowley Croker Miller returned to live in Australia.
William Miller was the eldest son of John Miller and Margaret Oulton. John Miller was the Agent that managed the estate at Moneymore firstly for Sir William Rowley for 37 years. When Sir William Rowley's lease expired and reverted back to the Worshipful Drapers' Company of London, John Miller continued to manage the estate at Moneymore for the Drapers Company. When John died, the position passed to his sixth son, Rowley Miller. Rowley was then joined in a joint agency with his son John Rowley Miller. On the death of John Rowley Miller, John Rowley's son Henry Rowley Miller became Assistant agent at Moneymore along side his grandfather. He became Agent on the death of his grandfather in 1866 and held the position until his death in 1873.
John Miller was the son of Robert Miller of Coleraine and Mary Ann Gamble, daughter of William Gamble Esq of Derry. This is as far back as I have been able to connect.
My research interest is in the Miller family. I just recently came across the connection to the Henry family, so I have not pursued the link in any detail. Below is the information that I have researched:
Rev WILLIAM MILLER MAJOR (?-1894)
William Miller Major obtained a BA (1847) and MA (1860) and was appointed Deacon at Cork on 26th May 1850. He was Rector of Culmore, Canon of Derry and Rural Dean of Moville, Co. Derry. On 14th June 1860, he married Elizabeth Jane Henry of 3 Clare St, Dublin, daughter of Elizabeth and James Henry Esq of Drumlamph, Co. Londonderry. His mother-in-law, Elizabeth Henry died at their residence, Moville Rectory on 11th April 1866. William Miller Major died in 1894. Elizabeth Jane Major died in 1913.
I am uncertain of the date of birth for William Miller Major. The newspapers reported the births of sons to Catherine at her father's residence at Bellemonte in 1822, 1823, 1826. John Croker Major was born in 1831. An unknown son was born in 1833 and George Hill Major was born in 1834.
From an ebook extract on Landed gentry, I found the information on the Gelliland connection.
Daughter: ELIZABETH CATHERINE MAJOR
Elizabeth Catherine Major married William Louis Gilliland Esq, a Barrister of Eshcol in 1888. William Louis Gilliland died in 1904.
There were two children:
Daughter: LOUISE ELIZABETH FRANCES GELLILAND
Louise Elizabeth Frances Gelliland married Cyril Bland, only son of Sydney and Aylward Bland of Bournemouth, on June 6, 1922, at St James's, Piccadilly.
My information on the place of the wedding differs slightly to yours. I think I got the information from the Diamond Memorial Project website. What is your source? The Miller is spelt incorrectly on the site, so this could be another error.
Son: Lieut. WILLIAM MILLER MAJOR GELLILAND
William Miller Major Gilliland was gazetted to the 2nd Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers on February 25, 1914, and accompanied his battalion to France as part of the Expeditionary Force. He was wounded at the battle of Le Cateau (receiving a bullet in his right wrist, a shattered hand, and a shrapnel wound on the leg) in August 1914, and on his recovery was attached to the 3rd Battalion of his regiment until February 1915, when he joined the 1st Battalion, and proceeded with them as part of the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force. He was killed in action near Krithia, Gallipoli Peninsula, 28th April, 1915, aged 20. He is interred in Pink Farm Cemetery, Helles. His name is on the Diamond War Memorial and also on All Saints' Church (Church of Ireland), Clooney Parish, 1914-18 Roll of Honour. There is also a brass plaque in the church.
William Miller Major Gelliland information in on the Diamond Memorial Project website. Interestingly two of Rowley Miller's descendants also served in the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers: Lieut Alexander Rowley Miller who died in South Africa in 1902 (Boer War) and Inglis Francis Rowley Miller who died in 1914 in France. My grandfather Alexander Croker Miller also fought a Gallipoli and fortunately survived both Gallipoli and the Western Front.
At the moment I am pursuing the Major family connection to the Miller family and trying to sort out which are connected. If I find any other information, I will pass it on.
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Hello again Annette54
Many thanks for pointing out my error! Excellent! :)
I see why I recorded the marriage of Louise Frances Gilliland and Cyril Bland Aylward as having taken place at St Martins - they married in the registration district of St Martins! Ref: Registration Index of Marriages, April - June Quarter, Vol 1a, page 1332, 1922. [Uncertain about second numeral of the page number - indistinct printing.]
Very interested to read about the Miller family's OZ connection.
According to newspaper advertisements only recently discovered, Louisa Elizabeth Frances Aylward [WILL c 1954] bequeathed items to my grandmother Mabel [grand daughter of Robert John Henry] and my uncle, and also to a Maud Stacey Smith.
Unfortunately Louise must have lost touch with Mabel; my grandmother's name had changed as she'd remarried and by the 1950's, she had been residing in South Africa a good 15 years. My uncle in 1954 had been living in Australia at least twenty years.
I have no information regarding Maud Stacey Smith do you know who she was?
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I've just realised I have another Henry family connection to the Miller family.
I have a Thomas Torrens Rowley Miller (1812-1852), son of Rowley Miller who married an Anne Henry in 1836. Thomas was a Barrister and they lived at 69 Abbey Street, Dublin. Thomas was a first cousin of Catherine (Miller) Major, the mother of Rev William Miller Major.
They had two sons:
1. Rowley Miller, a Lieut 88th Regiment who died in India in 1860
2. Torrens Rowley Miller born 1846, who married Bethia Isabella Mary Dunlop, only daughter of George Dunlop, Esq, late of Gogar House, near Edinburgh, near Reading, Berkshire, England on 10th March 1872. He was a school master. There were five children Florence Bethia Torrens Miller, George Alexander Rowley Miller, Walter McCulloch Charles Rowley Miller, Anna Mary Spens Miller, Maud Lilian Miller (who married Ernest John Bird) and Irene Helen Rowley Miller.
Is Anne Henry connected to your family?
Annette
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Annette54 many thanks!
The simple answer is, I don't know... The occupation of law would fit.... James Henry's grandson, my great X1 grandfather, was a barrister....
James Henry was aged 87 when he died in 1850 at Fairview House, Castledawson.
James' wife, Elizabeth Holland (nee Christie) whom he married in 1827 at Faughanvale, was aged 79 when she died in 1866 at Moville Rectory, so she was clearly not Anne Henry's mother.
I have James Henry's 34 page WILL signed 22/3/1849
He names his children as:
1. Elizabeth Jane Henry - his eldest daughter born 27/7/1831 at Fairview Castledawson and baptised 2/9/1831 at the Castledawson Presbyterian Church
2. Anne Sarah Henry baptised 18/2/1833 at Castledawson Presbyterian Church - another daughter
3. Robert John Henry baptised 8/9/1829 at Castledawson Presbyterian Church - the main beneficiary (my great X2 grandfather)
Also mentioned his sisters:
the estate of the late Elizabeth Henry
Jane Henry a beneficiary of Elizabeth Henry's WILL
William Graves is another large beneficiary of James' WILL. William Graves is connected to the Graves family of Gravesend Villa, Castledawson, what I don't know is the actual relationship between the Graves, the Christie and the Henry families.
Clearly, from James' WILL, the Anne Henry who married Thomas Torrens Rowley Miller in 1836 was NOT James' daughter.
So it's definitely 'back to the drawing board' for me....
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Hi Palmeira
Just thought I'd drop you a line to say I visited Castledawson on a visit to Northern Ireland. I was given a small booklet published for the 300th Anniversary of Castledawson. I notice from a previous comment that you have a link to the Graves family. There is a section in this book about the Graves family at Gravesend, including a photo of Gravesend. it's now the Moyola Park Golf club.
I have Miller connections to Castledawson.
I presume you know Drumlamph was part of the Dawson family estate.
Annette
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Hello again Annette54!
Many thanks for the message. Thank you for the Graves family info. No, I didn't know Drumlamph was part of the Dawson family estate...
I still don't know whether the Anne Henry in your tree is related to my Henry ancestors, but with the surname Miller in both families it's a definite possibility.
All the best!
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I have a photo of William Miller Major Gilliland's name on the Diamond Memorial. It is too large for me to attach. I will try to save it in a lesser format so that I can attach.
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We aren't allowed to post email address, annette (that's what PM system is for). So, just click on 'modify' removed email then save (you can do this yourself within 24 hours of uinitial posting, after that just click on 'report to moderator' to ask for it to be fixed).
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Captain William Graves, of Gravesend, County Londonderry, married Catherine (Paterson) Heyland, widow of Captain Hercules John Heyland. She died in 1886 and was buried at Castledawson, Co. Londonderry. Capt. Hercules John Heyland was the son of Rowley Heyland.
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Capt.Hercules John Heyland was indeed the son of Rowley and Mary Heyland.
Hercules's older brother was Major Arthur Rowley Heyland, the hero of Waterloo, 1781-1815.
They had a half brother, Langford Heyland from their father's first marriage.
The family home, Ballintemple House, is just outside Garvagh, County Londonderry.
Brown1777
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Thanks. A Rev. Hercules Heyland, of Ballintemple, County Londonderry, was a magistrate in 1836. And a Rev. Rowley Heyland, of Dublin, was one too.
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Thanks. A Rev. Hercules Heyland, of Ballintemple, County Londonderry, was a magistrate in 1836. And a Rev. Rowley Heyland, of Dublin, was one too.
Rev. Hercules T. Heyland of Ballintemple listed here (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=41USAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA33&lpg=RA1-PA33&dq=Rev.+Hercules+Heyland&source=bl&ots=sznD0L3MsH&sig=kKhg9Yf9fX6p1f68V9lojnOVKy0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOpJjQ2MvSAhUnAcAKHeHTA_MQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Rev.%20Hercules%20Heyland&f=false) in 1835
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i grew up in Fairview , my parents still live there, please contact me via this board i am not sure how to message directly
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Hello again Annette54!
Many thanks for the message. Thank you for the Graves family info. No, I didn't know Drumlamph was part of the Dawson family estate...
I still don't know whether the Anne Henry in your tree is related to my Henry ancestors, but with the surname Miller in both families it's a definite possibility.
All the best!
the dawson family estate did not include Fairview, it was an entirely separate demense . i know this because its my family home and my parents still live there
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Hi
I would welcome any information on Edward Cecil Christie Henry b-1857, in particular how he met his wife Frances Emma Beaglehole, later called Emma Frances Beaglehole. I am researching the Beagleholes from Dartmouth, Devon. I know Edward's mother lived and married in Dartmouth but it seems such an unlikely relationship as the Beagleholes were from quite humble origins.
Many thanks.
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Hi
I would welcome any information on Edward Cecil Christie Henry b-1857, in particular how he met his wife Frances Emma Beaglehole, later called Emma Frances Beaglehole. I am researching the Beagleholes from Dartmouth, Devon. I know Edward's mother lived and married in Dartmouth but it seems such an unlikely relationship as the Beagleholes were from quite humble origins.
Many thanks.
Scroll down a bit on this family tree...
http://www.airgale.com.au/debucton/d19.htm
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Many thanks. Really useful information to add to that already gathered.
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Annette54 many thanks!
William Graves is another large beneficiary of James' WILL. William Graves is connected to the Graves family of Gravesend Villa, Castledawson, what I don't know is the actual relationship between the Graves, the Christie and the Henry families.
Among the deaths as reported in the Londonderry Sentinel 1823-1869 in the issue of the 23rd September 1853 is…"September 21st at his brother's residence Upper Leeson Street, Dublin in his 64th year, William Graves Esq of Gravesend County of Londonderry, Captain of the Londonderry Military and J.P. of that county, also of the Royal Marines".
In the 19th April 1861 issue is ….Graves John Samuel April 6th at Woodbine Hill, Devon John Samuel Graves Barrister at Law, only son of the late Admiral Graves and nephew of Admiral Sir Thomas Graves Bart of Gravesend County Derry.
I have a Graves family tree from Gravesend, which confirms the above.
My gt.gt.gt.gt.grandfather was the Rev. John Graves, who had earlier been a Chaplin in the Royal Navy and died on the 6th January 1776 at Gravesend.