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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: AlbatrossIV on Friday 06 November 09 09:00 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any assistance in locating information on Eliza Williams, who was born about 1864 in New Brunswick, Canada and whose parents were John Williams (sailor) b. in Jersey, 1830 and mother Susannah Wornes (Warnes) born in England about 1833. The parents had at least two other children, Stephen Williams (b abt 1853) in Australia and a sister, Amelia, born about 1860 in New Brunswick, Canada.
Any further information on this family would be welcomed as I am putting together a family history report for a descendant in Australia. Eliza Williams married Edward Albert Batson in 1891 in Albury, NSW.
Thank you.
Jim
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Hi there,
In the 1903 Electoral Roll (the first year that females were included, but it was not compulsory to enrol).... at the polling place of Bowna, (its near Albury, NSW), there's the following people with surname BATSON... (listing is alphabetical, and is NOT by household)..
Edward, living at Tabletop, occupation boundary rider;
Fairley, (a female), living at Bowna, occupation domestic duties
James Valentine, living at Tabletop, occupation labourer,
William, living at Bowna, occupation boundary rider
Still looking for Eliza....
JM
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Found them on the 1903 roll!
Same electorate as the ones mentioned in my first reply... but at different polling place.
At Gerogery polling place, in the parliamentary seat of Hume...
There's
Bridget Batson, a female living at Gerogery, domestic duties
Edward Batson, a male living at Ellerslie, a boundary rider
Eliza Batson, a female living at Ellerslie, domestic duties
William Batson, a male living at Gerogery, a boundary rider.
Do you have details of their children?
JM
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Bit More
Also, on the NSW State Archives there's an index reference to an Edward Batson in 1886
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/keyname_search.asp
Cheers,
JM
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Bit More...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369703.0.html
On that thread you will find there's some very very good resources.
If you decide to obtain transcripts of NSW BDM certificates, I suggest you use a transcription agent, as that is cheaper, quicker and reliable. There is a thread on the NSW resources board here at RChat..
Sorry, I just realised WELCOME to Rchat.... its just the best place to get help with family history searchings...
JM
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Hello Jim and welcome to Rootschat,
Children of Edward Albert and Eliza BATSON all born Albury New South Wales
1. Annie J b 1891 d 1944 Albury
2. Edward Albert b 1892 d 1976
3. William Thomas b 1894 d 1968 Corowa
4. Thomas H b 1895 d 1895 Albury
5. Eliza B b 1896
6. Agnes a b 1897 d 1898
7. Mabel G A b 1899 d 1899
8. Florence M b 1901
9. Reginald H b 1902
10. Bridget D b 1904
11. Roy W b 1907 d 1928
Edward Albert BATSON d 1949 Corowa-parents Thomas William and Bridget Dora
Eliza BATSON d 1930 Albury-parents John and Susannah
William T BATSON m Mata A FROHLING 1919 Albury
Edward A BATSON m Josephine C FRAUENFELDER 1930 Albury
Annie Josephine BATSON m Henry Theodore FROHLING 1917 Albury
Florence M BATSON m Benjamin T DALE 1928 Albury
Bridget D BATSON m Jack GARDINER 1927 Albury
I live near Albury and most of these families are still in the area. If you need more help let me know.
Regards
Alison
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Hi there,
On a submitted tree there's the following names of children of Edward and Eliza....
Just noticing that Alison has posted similar details....
Annie J Batson 1891 – 1944
Edward Albert Batson 1892 – 1976
William Thomas Batson 1894 – 1968
Thomas H Batson 1895 – 1895
Eliza B Batson 1896 – 1948
Agnes B Batson 1897 – 1898
Mabel G A Batson 1899 – 1899
Florence Batson 1901 –
Reginald H Batson 1902 – 1998
Bridget D Batson 1904 –
Roy Williams Batson 1907 – 1928
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Amongst the many excellent resources at the top of the board -
- Australian Resources - NSW Resources - include online searchable bdm's for NSW. You may like the registration numbers for your research.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
May I ask what information you require for your friend, as you mention a descendant in Australia who may have already covered the Australian family history of Elizabeth and Edward, or are you looking for Elizabeth's siblings and parents?
Cando
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On my version of the NSW 1903 electoral roll it shows the address of Edward and Eliza as Ellerslie [? a property name] and town Splitter's Creek. If you google maps you will see is an rural locality slightly north west of Albury. They are the only BATSON's enrolled in the division of Hume with an entry in the "Address" column.
I mention this as there is place called Ellerslie north east of Albury but in 1903 was not in the Electoral Divison of Hume.
Cando
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Hi there,
I'm looking at the Commonwealth Electoral Roll for 1903.... perhaps the boundaries were different from the NSW Roll... not sure... but anyways, at the Gereogery Polling Place and under the heading "place of living" for "Ellerslie" there's also:
Alfred Edward JOHNSON, a trapper...
I'll try to find Splitter's Creek mentioned on the roll...
Cheers,
JM
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Hi everyone,
Thank you very much for all your information. It has been well received. I will now compile what I have and get back to the group if I have any further queries. One question that someone may be able to enlighten me about is I have a Margaret Brogan, daughter of James Brogan and Elleinor Horan, both from Ireland. Margaret was born in Ireland about 1821. She marryied Michael Murphy in Sydney on 10 Jun 1836. I have three children borne of this marriage. One of which is Bridget Murphy.
The query I have is that I have two separate possibilities of who she married.
1 - William Davies Wales, married on 10 Jan 1858 in Yackandanda, NSW.
2 - William Batson who married about 1866 or so in the Gundaroo area.
The latter marriage has never been found.
I have documents on the children of William Batson and Bridget Murphy.
Any suggestions as to which might be the correct marriage? I am unsure where Yackandanda is regarding Goulburn area.
Thanks
Jim
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Hello Jim,
Yackandandra is very close to Albury. If you put it into Google Maps, that'll give you an idea how close it is.
Dee :)
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Hello all,
Yackandandah is actually in Victoria. It is 33kms SW of Albury.
Regards
Alison
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Hi again,
The marriage I found on Vic BDM:
William WALES m Bridget MURPHY 1859 # 465
There are no children listed to this couple in VIC.
Children in NSW
1. Anne b 1850
2. Robert b 1853
3. Thomas H b 1855
4. Michael b 1858 Binalong
5. William b 1860 Yass
6.George b 1861 Binalong
7. Joseph b 1862 Binalong
Regards
Alison
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There is a death for William D WALES listed on NSW BMD site, 1908 Cootamundra, parents William and Eliza.
Also two deaths Bridget WALES, both with parents John and Mary
one registered Young, 1901
other registered Cootamundra 1918.
Given that there are the two deaths reg at Coota it is possible that this is the couple married in Vic. The Vic marriage index doesnot give a place of birth for either party. You could download the certificate for about $17 which SHOULD give info about their parents.
There are a number of deaths ofthe children found by Alison on the NSW BMD site from 1859 in Binalong to 1938 in Coota, with others in Booroowa and Yass which are all reasonably close.
If we could find some actual dates for these I'd be happy to look them up in the newspaper - the Coota Herald has some great obits but I need a date :(
Judith
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The names of both the bride's and groom's parents are detailed on Victorian certificates. There is a facility to purchase [AUD$17.50] and immediately download an image from
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
You will need the registration number.
Link to information on Victorian certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Cando
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Hi Jim,
William WALES b 1860 Yass d 1860 Yass
George WALES b 1861 Binalong d 1861 Binalong
The children listed to William BATSON and Bridget? are
1. John b 1867
2. Thomas H b 1869
3. James b 1872
4. Ann J b 1875
5. Bridget W b 1876
6. Agnes b 1879.
All born in Albury.
The only death I can see is Thomas H BATSON d 1920 Sydney.
Seeing as how I can't see a death for Thomas H WALES in infancy, do you think Bridget would have had 2 Thomas H's in 14 years?
Thomas Henry WALES d 1938 Cootamundra.
More Wales deaths -parents William and Bridget:
Michael d 1898 Yass
George d 1912 West Wyalong
Robert S d 1925 Boorowa
There are 2 possibilities for Bridget WALES deaths but with wrong parents:
Wales Bridget d 1901 Young -parents John and Mary
Wales Bridget d 1918 Cootamundra-parents John and Mary
And one for { again wrong father}
Bridget BATSON d 1912 Tumbarumba- father John { Tumbarumba is near Albury}
Regards
Alison
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Hi Jim
The registration number for the marriage certificate for William Wales and Bridget Murphy is 465
Regards
Alison
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Jim perhaps you need a cert or two :) You can purchase transcriptions of certs in NSW for AU$17.00 and results are emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm#TranscriptionAgent
and I have given you the link to purchase and download Victorian images of certs.
Information on certificates in Australia
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Cando
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Hi
Susannah Wornes was my GG Grandmother, I have details of her children, she was married twice and we think had two children out of wedlock.
I have some photo's of the cemetery at Bowna where she is buried, unfortunately her grave is unmarked. Eliza Batson Williams is buried there as well, as is Roy Batson. His grave is marked and there is a fence around the plot that we assume contains the rest of his family.
I will PM you my email so we can exchange info.
mum mum
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Sorry, just realised that I have already given you all that I know.
mum mum
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Hello again,
I am feeling pretty disappointed at the moment, I thought that I had found another family member who was researching my family.
I have had contact with Jim over the last few days and he has told me that he is a certified genealagist who is doing some research for someone else.
To me it doesn't seem to be a very professional way to conduct your research, asking others to do your work for you.
Jim, if you want to know more, spend the money and buy the certificates, they should provide the evidence that you need.
mum mum
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Oh mummum
I feel disappointed too...
JM
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Hi Mum Mum and JM,
I am sorry you feel disappointed but I am researching this family for a colleague of mine who has asked me to do so. It is very professional to first seek what is already available or known and credit those who have provided the information. If any further research is to be done, I will then continue by myself. I have already, purchased 10 certificates towards my research and have been fortunate to see some of the good work already done by yourselves and I thank you. I thank you for your assistance.
You shouldn't feel disappointed at all as I am trying to gain an understanding of what information has already been searched and go beyond that if necessary.
I am researching the Batson/Williams/Brogan line as well as several others.
As a certified genealogist, this is what we do. You are most welcomed to have access to any additional information I find but I'm not researching soley the families you have an interest in.
If I can be of any assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me.
I apologise for any misconceptions.
The work I am doing is gratis as well.
Kind Regards,
Jim
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Hello Jim,
I am not a family member.. I am not a professional genealogist. I am simply a member of Rootschat, which is entirely free from beginning to end and is a service maintained by volunteers. In GOOD FAITH I provided information, as a volunteer, on this thread. I do not expect, nor do I give permission for my avatar to be cited or credited with any of the information I provide.
It is my belief and understanding that professionals OUGHT to declare that interest from the beginning in all their endeavours in that professional field, regardless of any pro bono efforts that they are undertaking. As you are a certified genealogist, I expect the institution that certified you has a code of practice that you are required to abide by. May I suggest that you give serious consideration to declaring your profession at line 1 of any posting you make on any forum that involves volunteers contributions. Further, may I suggest that you consider desisting from instigating any threads that do not declare your professional interrest or accreditation at your initial posting's opening paragraph.
I acknowledge you have offered an apology for any misconceptions. I wish you well in your professional endeavours. I do not believe that your purchasing of 10 certificates towards your research has a direct consequence in your finding any work done by me, thus you do not need to thank me for my assistance.
Sincerely,
Just Moi
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Looking for any assistance in locating information on Eliza Williams, who was born about 1864 in New Brunswick, Canada and whose parents were John Williams (sailor) b. in Jersey, 1830 and mother Susannah Wornes (Warnes) born in England about 1833. The parents had at least two other children, Stephen Williams (b abt 1853) in Australia and a sister, Amelia, born about 1860 in New Brunswick, Canada.
Any further information on this family would be welcomed as I am putting together a family history report for a descendant in Australia. Eliza Williams married Edward Albert Batson in 1891 in Albury, NSW.
Thank you.
Jim
In hindsight, and reading "between the lines" in Jim's final paragraph "putting together a family history report..." Umm tis not obvious though....
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Dear Just Moi,
My apologies again, as I only located some information on this site through Google which listed some individuals I was researching. I am and was, in no way asking anyone to go out of one's way to locate any information that wasn't readily at hand or one the site already. This genealogical work is a side hobby NOT a full or part-time profession. I have been accredited after 2 years training and studying through a major body.
I wasn't aware of any requirement where I needed to demonstrate my credentials or intentions initially on this or any other website if I was just seeking information to be used in putting a report on a family together, professionally or otherwise.
I also have volunteered in researching information for people on RAOGK and elsewhere for over 10 years and would assist anyone, regardless of whether they stated their amateur or professional credentials or not.
As a genealogist, I am required to demonstrate where any information was obtained whereever possible. I will not make reference or use any information that you have provided though, as per your request.
I will not be seeking any further assistance on this website.
I would like to re-iterate that even though I have become accredited, this is not my profession. It is a side hobby and interest and perform services for people nationally and internationally.
Apologies again and best wishes for your interests and endeavours.
Jim
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Hi Eliza Joy was my great grandmother. My Grandmother was Bridget Dora Batson. Bridget married Jack Gardiner. They had two children Roy Edward John and Mary Elizabeth Gardiner. I am the daughter of Roy Gardiner. Eliza Joy was the daughter of Susannah Wornes. Susannah married twice : John Williams who died in 1865 and Charles Christian Hansen. Eliza Joy was registered as a "Williams" but I believe she was the daughter of Charles Hansen as Eliza was born in 1867 , two years after John Williams passed away. Susannah also had a child when she was about 19 , theta are records that indicate this child was Fathered by Robert Bales in Launceston Tasmania. Cheers Kerry
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Hi,
Good to hear from you, I will PM my email address to you so we can exchange information abit more freely.
I don't believe that Eliza was the daughter of Charles Hanson, he left us somewhat cofused when he provided information for Susannah's death certificate and stated the she only had one child. That child being his daughter Mary, my Great Grandmother. I have the death certificate and the will for Charles Hansen and Eliza is not mentioned on either of them as being his daughter.
John Williams died in June 1865, I'm not sure that we have an actual date for Eliza's birth, I know I have a copy of her marriage certificate somewhere but I can't find it at the moment. If we have taken her year of birth from her death certificate we can't be sure it is correct.
It is possible that Eliza was born between the time Susannah was widowed and when she married Charles sometime before sailing to New Zealand, again, the date of that marriage is not certain.
mum mum