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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: sgrollitt on Monday 09 November 09 16:02 GMT (UK)
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William Darrall was born in Wellington (probably Dawley) in about 1830. He married Pheobe Powis in 1851 in Wellington (again, it might have been Dawley).
Can anyone please help me find out who his parents were? I have looked on the 1841 census and there was an 11-year old William Darrall who was a miner and lived in Coalmoor within Madeley. When I tried to look at the original census page, the wrong page was displayed. But I'm not sure this is the same William anyway. The family do seem to be located in Dawley.
Thank you,
Simon
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you could order the marr cert
that would give you his fathers name and occupation
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That is good advise from wozzle.
in the meantime I had a look around.
I see that they married at end of 1851, so should be there separately on 1851 census - have you found them there?
I couldnt see them - so went to 1861 to get a birthplace for William, but I couldnt see them there either!
have you the ref for them as a couple on any census after marriage?
plenty of Darrals and Powises in the area.
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1861 census Madeley Shropshire RG9/1855 folio105 page5
Indexed as Dorrell
Jackie
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Thanks Jackie!
That gives his pob as Little Wenlock
which gives rise to 2 possibles in 1851
HO107 1989 33 18
21 son of Elizabeth. He is a miner (ties up with the 1841 you found, mother there was an Elizabeth)
HO107 1989 13 18
21 lodger with the Beach family. He is a Puddler at Ironworks
If you get the marriage cert not only will it hopefully give his father, but also his occupation. So you can compare what he said his occupation was later in 1851 when he married with these two and hopefully see which one is likely to be yours!
Given that in 1861 he is a forgeman at Ironworks, then I would say the latter is most likely for him ( the lodger)
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In 1881, William Darrall was an iron worker living in Lawley Village, Wellington with his wife and children.
I have sent off for William and Pheobe's marriage certificate.
Thank you for your help up to now :)
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1841
HO107/928/17/35/11
john darrall age 40. occ. miner
elizabeth darrall age 40
hannah darrall age 13
william darrall age 11
solomon darrall age 9
ann darrall age 6
george darrall age 2
thos darrall age 1
living at;coalmoor, little wenlock,shropshire
reg.dist. madeley
all born in county
given that in 1861 he gives place of birth as little wenlock
think this could be your man
also is this the one you say that you got the wrong page up when you tried to look at it?
it is the right page though the image is very faint.
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hi wozzle
see my reply number 4
there seem to be 2 guys bn Wenlock, and the one you have found in 1841 (samr as Simon found) I think is the 'mine'r one with mum Elizabeth, whereas it is looking like Simon's guy is the other one, who worked in Ironworks throughout his life and was a lodger in 1851.
But I cant see that one in 1841 as yet.
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did not notice lizdb
what about this one
1841
HO107/928/17/9/9
william darroll age 50. b. in county. occ. looks like collier
beyn?(male) darroll age 20. b. ditto
martha darroll age 15. b. ditto
fanny darroll age 12. b. in county
william darroll age 10. b. ditto
mary darroll age 4. b. ditto
living at; little wenlock,shropshire
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Well done
Just need that marriage cert now to see if his father's name was John or William (probably be something else altogether just to confuse us!!!!)
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think we really need to wait for the cert
before looking any further?
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The marriage certificate arrived.
William Darrall, a forgeman, married Pheobe Powis. William's father was William, a miner. Pheobe's dad was George, also a miner.
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Brilliant
So it looks as if you have in 1841 with his dad.
And that the 1851 lodger is him (as the other one has mum ELiz., which in 1841 had dad John)
This only falls down if Wm's wife was also an Eliz! Need to compare siblings.. but I have to go now!
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William Darrall
b.1830 in Wellington
m.1851 to Phoebe Powis in Wellington
d.1893 aged 63
1841
Living at Little Wenlock:
- William Darroll, 50, collier, b.in county
- Beyn?(male) Darroll, 20, b.in county
- Martha Darroll, 15, b.in county
- Fanny Darroll, 12, b.in county
- William Darroll, 10, b.in county
- Mary Darroll, 4, b.in county
1851
William Darroll was 21 and a lodger with the Beach family in Little Wenlock. He was a Puddler at Ironworks. Later that year he married Phebe Powis. On their marriage certificate, William was a forgeman. His father was William, a miner. Phebe's dad was George.
1861
In Madeley Shropshire RG9/1855 folio105 page5, indexed as Dorrell, forgeman at Ironworks, place of birth as Little Wenlock.
1881
William was an iron worker.
William's dad was William Darrall
c.12 May 1788 at Little Wenlock. Parents were William and Mary
m.24 APR 1809 to Mary Darrall in Little Wenlock
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"Another local collier Edward Darrell of Holywell in Little Dawley was, according to Trinder & Cox, probably the same man mentioned in Abraham Darby I's accounts in 1709 which show an Edward Darrell employed to 'charck' coals and also clear ditches."
Peter
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Edward's will of 1726 survives as does Eliza Darrell of 1668 (widow). Also Richard Darwall of 1666. All are of Dawley.
Peter
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Hi,
We are researching our family tree and not only was this helpful because we finally got phoebes surname but it's very connected to our tree as all of our darralls seem to hail from somewhere around that general area. Most of them seem to hang about holywell lane.
I was wondering whether you had any further information pertaining to Darralls? Preferably further back, as we are stuck, however any information as to how to get past the 1690's would be nice too.
Many Thanks
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Who have you got back to? I have a lot of C16th and C17th stuff for the Severn Gorge area - it may take me awhile.
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We've got back to benjamin darrall of c1669 dunno who he married, I mean we can guess but he seems to have married several times. Don't worry about time. I have plenty.
He also comes from dawley magna, that sort of region if that helps.
Thanks.
Woops I meant 1696, sorry
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I guess you have Edward's marriage in 1683 at Stirchley?
I would try the House of Lords record office to see if the 1642 Protestation for Dawley survives. If it does that will at least show you whether they were there at that time.
archives {--at--} parliament.uk
Unfortunately records for the northen side of the Severn haven't survived the Civil War as well as those on the southern side. More of a hot bed of recusancy!
Peter
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No, no I don't have that, do you have any more information?
Thanks
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" Feb. 3. Edwardus Dorral et Anna ux. ejus post bannizationem ... nup."
This is 1682/3
Peter