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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: CLASSIC on Friday 11 March 05 12:08 GMT (UK)
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HI,
Does anyone have any information on the Tooley family please?
I have traced them back to 1718, they started off in Bletchingdon then Handborough. My gt, gt, gt, gt grandfather Henry Tooley came from a family of 6, most of his siblings married and had families but there is very little information on them.
Thanks Lynn
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I have just found an ancestor TOOLEY/tooly in chipping norton hannah bapt 1733,father thomas.any link?
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Hi Chloed,
No there is no connection, I dont have a Hannah in the family tree.
Thanks anyway.
Lyn
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My mother is a Tooley from Boston in Lincolnshire. As far as I know (I'll have to ask her) they have been in Boston for many generations, so I don't know if they would connect to your family.
In St Botolphs church (in Boston) there are some memorials to Tooleys (dating back to the 1600's I think), so these may be of interest to you.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Hi Jonathan,
My grandfather was born in Linconshire, but it was Handborough.
Most of them came from Oxford, the early ones come from Bletchingdon.
It would be interesting to see the memorials.
Lyn
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Hi Lyn ...
Can I help you at all? I have the Handborough PRs.
Had a quick look for TOOLEY records. There are 10 baptisms (1818-1858), 5 burials (1790-1858) and 1 marriage (1838).
If these are of any interest, I would be happy to send details.
Pennie
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Hi Pennie,
Thanks that would be great, i will look forward to seeing them.
thanks again
Lyn
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Hi Lyn ...
Here are all the TOOLEY entries on the Handborough PRs:
BAPTISMS:
17 MAY 1818 - William, s. Henry and Elizabeth
20 JAN 1839 - James Henry, s. William and Lydia, Lab
15 NOV 1841 - Rosetta, d. William and Lydia, Lab
14 JUL 1844 - Elizabeth, d. William and Lydia, Lab
07 FEB 1847 - Henry, s. William and Lydia, Lab
14 OCT 1849 - Minet, d. William and Lydia, Lab
02 MAY 1852 - George, s. William and Lydia, Lab
06 AUG 1854 - Alice, d. William and Lydia, Lab
11 JAN 1857 - Jesse, s. William and Lydia, Lab
07 NOV 1858 - William, s. William and Lydia, Lab
MARRIAGE:
08 NOV 1838 - TOOLEY William, minor, b, Lab, s. Henry, Lab
WOODWARD Lydia, minor, sp, gloveress, father decd.
Witnesses: William WOODWARD and Keziah ASHTON
BURIALS:
07 FEB 1790 - James, pauper
28 MAY 1837 - Elizabeth, 14 years
21 SEP 1843 - Rosetta, 2 years
05 NOV 1848 - Henry, 65 years
21 SEP 1853 - Elizabeth, 73 years
Re. the marriage entry, the WOODWARD family have dozens of entries on the Handborough PRs - let me know if you need any lookups!
Pennie
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Hi Pennie,
Thankyou so much for that information, some of it i did have ie the baptisms but i didnt have the rest.
On the burials you have Henry 5th Nov 1848-- does it say where he was buried, as i was wondereing if he was buried in the same churchyard as william.
You mentioned the woodwards, that would be interesting as I do have some info on them but not that much. would love to see some of that info.
Thanks again for all your help.
Lynn
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Hi Lyn ...
Had another look at my Handborough PRs:
Henry (buried 1848) would have been buried at Ss. Peter & Paul Church, Church Han(d)borough.
Despite the multitude of WOODWARD entries, I can find no record of a birth of Lydia WOODWARD (have looked from 1800 to 1830 inc.)!
A request for a lookup on the Oxfordshire Baptism Index (at the OFHS website - small charge) may find her, although it's only about 80% complete.
If you need any further information, let me know.
Pennie
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Hi again ...
Just reread your last message and noted that Lydia was a gloveress - these were prolific in Woodstock (close to Handborough). Might be somewhere to start looking for her ...
Pennie
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Hi
I have just started tracing my family. I see on this string there i mention of a Henry and Elizabeth Tooley, (parents of William Tooley, baptised 1818). Has anyone got information about Elizabeth's and Henry's ancestors? If anyone has their family tree have you got an Elizabeth May Tooley born around 1890 in Birmingham.
Any help gratefully received
Cheers
Eric
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Hi Eric,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Lynn's (Classic) email address is currently not working at the moment but Dawn has managed to find a postal address so we will post her a letter to let her know of your new reply.
All the Best
Sarah :)
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Thanks Sarah
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Hi Eric,
I have Elizabeth May Tooley b1891 in Birmingham on one of my trees. Her parents were Alfred and Elizabeth(nee Hawley). I have her baptism and where she is on 1891,1901 and 1911 census.
I do not have any marriage or death details.
The family does link up with William and Lydia Tooley in Handborough, Oxfordshire via Nether Whitacre in Warwickshire.
Let me know if you need any of the above details or would like to share information.My interest is via Edwin Tooley who is Alfred's brother.
Best wishes, Moira
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Thanks Moira for your reply.
Elizabeth May Tooley married my Grandfather in 1912, (Frank Aston). Story has it that my Great Grandfather, (who was a chartered accountant), disapproved as he thought his son was marrying beneath himself. Mum said Elizabeth was a dance girl down a local theatre. I cannot find any evidence of that but Alfred, her dad, worked as a barman, so maybe the story has an element of truth to it. I cannot find out what happened to my grandmother. She and Frank got divorced and that's all i know. I think she was irish so maybe i need to contact someone who is an expert on the Birmingham irish community, (any ideas).
Do you have any details on your tree of ancestors further back than William amd Lydia, if so is there documentary evidence somewhere out there? I don't know anything about Edwin as I have just started tracing my ancestors about 5 weeks ago.
Regards
Eric
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Hi Eric,
The Tooleys are one of the lines in my son-in-law's family and most of my research has been on Ancestry from where I have the census details and Warwickshire and Birmingham parish records.
I have not taken the family further back as this needs access to Oxfordshire records some of which are on this thread in reply to the original poster. Hopefully she will come back to you as she seems to have more information.
I can perhaps help if you wish to broaden your tree with siblings and their families. Do you have access to the census information or Birmingham records?
I am not aware of an Irish connection . They seem to be from the rural Midlands for several generations. Elizabeth' s grandfather James Henry Tooley born c1839, in Handborough, Oxon moved to Over Whitacre, Warwickshire before 1860 . On the census he is variously described as a carter or a farmer. Several of his sons moved to Birmingham including Alfred and Edwin.
As you say in 1911 Alfred is described as a barman , prior to this he is a billiard marker. Elizabeth Hawley's father was a dairyman. Edwin was a butcher. So I suppose an accountant could consider the family beneath him.
Let me know if you want the census details.
Best wishes, Moira
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Thanks Moira.
Yes any info re the Hawley connection would be great.
My mother thought they were Irish. Maybe if I can go back far enough they may have emigrated from Ireland during the 17th/18th century (i.e. during the potato famine possibly?).
Many thanks for your help
Eric
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Hi again Eric,
Sorry for delay in getting back to you. I had not previously researched the Hawley's as they are not directly related to "my" Tooleys but did have the details from 1901 census as James and Elizabeth are living at 141 Osler Street , Edgbaston Birmingham with their daughter and Alfred Tooley.
Alfred Tooley 35 Billiard marker born Whitacre, Warwickshire
Elizabeth 35 wife Fazeley, Staffordshire
Elizabeth M. 10 daughter Birmingham
James Hawley F in law 59 dairyman Wilnecote, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Hawley M in law 60 Wilnecote, Warwickshire
In 1911 James is in Tamworth Union Workhouse and I assume it is his death record at Tamworth in 1914. Elizabeth is still with the Tooleys.
I have now followed James back through the census . In 1891 and 1881 he is a coal miner and in 1861 a day labourer. His birthplace is consistently Wilnecote and Ancestry have a transcribed baptism record:
Birthdate 26 Apr 1842
Bap date 17 Jul 1842
Parents Adam and Mary Hawley
At Wilnecote and Castle Liberty, Warwickshire
They can all be found on 1851 census
Adam Hawley 40 Besom maker Derbyshire, Matlock
Mary wife 43
William son 18
George son 11. All apart from Adam born Wilnecote.
James son 9
Adam son 6
John son 2
Hope that helps. You now have a new county to search in. So probably many months if not years of research ahead of you.
Best wishes, Moira
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Hi Moira
Thanks for the reply. I decided I should not be such a cheap skate and sign up for Ancestry.com.
I have looked at the census records for 1911 and think it's not my 'James Tooley'. The James Tooley I see on the census is a widow, (and, as we know Elizabeth Hawley is still alive), and he is 3 years older than he should be. What do you think?
Regards
Eric
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I agree you should keep looking to see if you can find a better match for your James Hawley, especially as it is a name which could be easily mistranscribed . However I would not discount the Tamworth one completely as someone else would have given the information about him and they could have got it wrong. The age on the Tamworth death entry is correct I think.
Good luck searching on Ancestry. Moira
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Hi Moira
Hope you are OK.
Just found out the James Hawley Husband of Elizabeth (DOB 1840ish) appears not to be the father of her daughter Elizabeth DOB 1865. As a novice at this i should forgive myself, but DAMM!! The daughter was born in Fazeley, Staffordshire, 3 years before the marriage to James Hawley (which was 1868 in Wilmcote, Warwickshire). The mothers surname was Penneyston, I think that wasn't her maiden name, but her married name, as it appears she had a husband, George Penneyston who had a daugheter Elizabeth. This is a classic example of different spellings. On the marriage certificate (1862), he is Penneystone, on the birth certificate (1865), he is Penistone and on his death certficate, (1866), he is Peneston . Of course they might be 3 different men but I have my doubts. Anyway guess I have to fork out £9.25 for the marriage certficate. Happy days!
Take care
Eric
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Hi Eric
So it's not your James Hawley after all. I think the complications you have found is what makes this hobby so fascinating and why it can take years to follow a line back. Also why everything has to be checked and rechecked.
Really it's fortunate you had just started to look at this family and not spent months researching the wrong father and you do still have a father' s name to research, even if it's one that can be spelt in a dozen different ways.
We seem to have moved away from Oxfordshire, although hopefully you will hear from the original poster with information about where the Tooleys came from.
Good luck with your continuing research
Moira
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Hi
Well back again asking for help.
I am now trying to find more information about the Tooleys and in particular the marriage of Henry Tooley (DOB around 1786), to Elizabeth. I am unsure where it would have been but I guess the Witney area. I cannot trace this on Ancestry.com/findmypast.com. I guess i can always pop down to Oxford to check their Parish records or purchase a cd-rom from OFHS for further help.
Regards
Eric
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http://www.tooleysboatyard.co.uk/history/
You might find this of interest !
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Hi
Thanks for the post.
My Tooley's appear to be Farmers and labourers. That's not to say that 'my' Tooley famiy had nothing to do with the canals but it is a slight change to what would be expected, I will need to dig further..the truth is out there....it's a pity a very rich unknown relative isn't! :D
Best wishes
Eric
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I am now trying to find more information about the Tooleys and in particular the marriage of Henry Tooley (DOB around 1786), to Elizabeth. I am unsure where it would have been but I guess the Witney area.
Hi Eric,
Oxfordshire Family History Society's Marriage Index has two possibilities for Henry TOOLEY + Elizabeth, both in Eynsham which is near Witney.
6 Dec 1807 Elizabeth OVENALL (note in Phillimore - 'Elizabeth OVENALL died the same night, buried Dec 9')
20 Jan 1812 Elizabeth HOPCROFT
Hope this helps,
Carol
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Hi
Thanks Carol, and also many thanks for everyones help here....but..well you know...some men cannot be satisfied :)
I have managed to locate the parent of Elizabeth Hopcroft who I believe is my Great (x4) Grandmother. However I seem not to be able to locate her Husbands Henry Tooley's birth details, (including his mum and dads names). At least they do not to be on the Ancestry or findmypast.coms websites. I believe he was born around 1786, (based on the 1841 census) in Oxfordshire. I know there was talk of the Tooleys coming from London and i cut and paste what i saw on the internet below. None of this may be able to be proven but I am sure anyone connected with the family would find it added a little colour to their research, (of course someone out there may have even more info?)
'Story told in the family of the family owning land in Tooley street, that was there winter camping ground and that the family were Romany Gypsies from Europe. They tried to prove ownership when the Grandfather died but could not prove his birthright, otherwise they would have been very rich. I have been in contact with others researching the origins and the name seems to stem from the pronunciation of St. Olive a church on tooley street with origins in Norman times. I have not yet found a gypsy in the family tree but I have found that most were agricultural labourers'
Dam....i could have ended up wealthy!!! :)
Regards
Eric
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Hi,
I have just come across your message about looking for information on Henry Tooley. He was my great, great, great grandfather. He was bapt on the 4th August 1782 in Bletchingdon, married Elizabeth Ovenall on the 16th December 1807, sadly she died the same night. He married again on the 20th January 1812 to Elizabeth Hopcroft.
They had three children:- William [my gt, gt grandfather], born 10th May 1818, he married Lydia Woodward on the 8th Nov 1838.
Mary born 1828, she married William west in 1873.
And Ann born 1826, but think she died that yr.
Henry's parents were Thomas Tooley bapt 10th Dec 1738 in Bicester. He married Mary Meeks on the 5th October 1758 in Kidlington. They had 7 children Henry being the youngest.
Would be interested if you have found any more information on this family if they are the same Tooleys that you looking at.
Lynn
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i have a keziah tooley born brill oxon 1800 i have not persued this yet since my main search is saunders hope this helps [brill is also called ibsden]
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Hi Eric
Thank you for the message, unfortually it wont let me reply by private msg.
I do have a lot of information on James Henry, and him and my gt grandfather were brothers. Did you know that Alfred had 7 siblings, sadly the oldest died the year that Alfred was born.
You said that Alfred had one daughter Elizabeth May, do you know what her husbands name was?
I myself havent done any family history for a while, just took a break from it as was coming up against a lot of brick walls. Though do keep going back to it. It is nice to know that i have a distant relative out there.
Regards
Lynn
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Hi Lynn
Where in the country do you live.
Eric
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Hi Eric
I live in Manchester
Lynn
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Hi Moira, i came across your interest in Edwin Tooley. I have quite a bit of information on him. Edwin was my gt grandfathers nephew. I don't know what information you have so i will just give you the information that i have.
He was born on the 17th Nov 1867 in Meriden, married Kate Heritage in 1888 in Birmaingham and died 18th January 1956 in Derby. They had 8 children:- Edwin Albert, Leonard, Marjorie, Evelyn, James henry, Doris, Mary and Alfred.
In 1901 he was a Butcher. In 1911 they lived at 12 Hadbourne Street Derby
In Edwins will it looks like he left his estate to Mary Bignal [wife of Edward Bignal], which was edwin's daughter. There is big gaps between the children's births, there could have been more or could have been miscarriages.
Kates parents were Joseph and Eliza Heritage. Kate died in 1933 aged 62. Edwin was 88 when he died.
Hope this helps
Lynn
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Thanks Lynn for your information on Edwin Tooley. I have found him on each of the census and the 1939 register and have details of his marriage and children.
I have not yet purchased a copy of his will so cannot confirm that his daughter ,Mary Maria Bignall was the major beneficiary , I had assumed she was just one of the executors .
Best wishes, Moira
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I have sarah aucott married to mynett/mynott tooleyin 1876 and tracked them back to William tooley and Lydia. Willian born about 1818 in handborough, got the father as henry but nt searched for henrys marriage yet. Sarah aucott married john james sharratt in 1882 in tamworth. Sharratt is my maternal grandmothers line.
jean