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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Pricey4848 on Wednesday 18 November 09 20:23 GMT (UK)
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Can anybody suggest good sources of information post 1901 for Scotland in particular Clunie, Perthshire area.
My Great x 3 Grandfather James Heron B 1813 Blairgowrie died in 1902 in that area leaving his daughter Helen who would have been around 54 years possibly born Blairgowrie too.
James was a shown as a Crofter @ Burnside at the time of his death aged 85 !!!
Trying to locate / research Helen and "Burnside".
Thanks
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Helen Heron born 1848 Caputh Perthshire.
A death recorded 1925 at Clunie GRO339/00 0005.
Parents listed as James Heron (farmer) and Janet Reid. Informant James Rogers (neighbour) she is listed as being single and farmers daughter.
Died 31 May 1925 at Forneth ?? Clunie.
Hope this helps.
Regards patvp
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Helen Heron born 1848 Caputh Perthshire.
A death recorded 1925 at Clunie GRO339/00 0005.
Parents listed as James Heron (farmer) and Janet Reid. Informant James Rogers (neighbour) she is listed as being single and farmers daughter.
Died 31 May 1925 at Forneth ?? Clunie.
Hope this helps.
Regards patvp
Pat
Thanks that is who Im looking for....where did you get that info from please???
And do you know how I could find out what happened to her farm / croft etc.....would her will be on file anywhere>>???thanks
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Actually the info was on a certificate which I had ordered from SP for the McGregors whom I was rsearching...
Why I remembered the name not sure !!! ???
As to a will ?? not sure on that one, you could try Scotland People or maybe someone with a little more knowledge than me can point you in the right direction. you may even try googling "Forneth"Clunie,Perthshire and see if that brings up anything.
Good luck with your searching ;D
patvp
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Thanks Pat...i have found a "croft of forneth" on the RCAHMS website and am making enqs via them...where would I order death / birth cert from for Perthshire?? Your help is really appreciated
PS
Does that mean the Heron family feature in research you are doing??
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Hello 'Pricey'
If you're going to be going further back with this family, the best thing to do is register at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - it's free - £6.00 paid for by debit/credit card will allow you 30 credits (min spend), which will allow you to download 5 records. They are not 'certificates in the legal sense, but are entries which will give you all the info you need. Go to the site and have a look. Currently you can download births to 1908 - marriages to about 1933 and deaths to ? 1956 or thereabout - I need to re-familiarise myself.
If you're only looking for the death entry of Helen Heron - I'm more than willing to downoad it and send it on. It won't set me back :O)
Got to log off now. Good luck with your searching.
Regards, Steve.
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Sorry Pricey - Did not make it clear, the death cert was obtained from Scotlands People that's where the GRO number comes in, as I said I had printed it out for info re the the McGregors and Helen's death was recorded on that particular page...no I am not researching the Heron family ;D.
As Steve said your best bet is Scotland People for all births death marriages etc, assume you are going forward rather than going back re the family..if going back the IGI is also helpful.
Sadly the free search for Wills etc only goes up to 1905 on Scotlands People, not sure if later ones are available.
Regards Patvp
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Hello again Pricey - and Pat :O)
As an aside. The IGI has James Heron marring Janet Reid on 06 Nov 1842 in Blairgowrie Perthshire - the entry will be available for download from Scotlands People (SP) for 6 credits. It'' be under the OPRs.
I see also that Helen had a brother John, born 30 Aug 1848, Dunkeld Perthshire.
Pat - I see that you have Helens dob as 1848, whilst the IGI has her as 1846. 22 Nov.
FYI, a free search on SP brings up 2 children to James Heron and Janet Reid. Search of Perthshire only 1840 - to 1854.
Regards, Steve :O)
Pricey - a 'must website' to add to your favourites- the National Library of Scotland (NLS) maps http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/index.html - if you select the 6" to 1 mile they give fantastic detail and are zoomable....
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Thanks so much to both of you...i take it SP relates to Scotlands People website?????
:)
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Can you help me with a query.
Ive viewed the death cert online (SP) for James Heron and it appears to show his mum as Margaret nee Stewart and his dad as John......from other records it shows his mum as Elspeth (?) nee Stewart and dad John......
Is Elspeth & Margaret same names....................
It is the right James Heron as it shows his wife as Janet Reid.....any ideas?????
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Sorry Pricey - the joys of FH research.
If you use the following link
http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=Margaret
It shows that Margaret and Elspeth are not interchangeable. However, the lady in question may have had a middle name which was used by family members - and her formal first name.
e.g I have a first name which is used on all legal documents - but no-one has ever called me by it, and outside family, I doubt if less than a handful of people know of it :O)
Also depends on who the informant was.
I'd also look on the free wills search facility on SP to see if your James was willed his farm by his father.
You say you've 'viewed' your death cert online. I take it you're aware it costs no more money to download it onto your pc?
Regards, Steve
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O.K. So far we have
James Heron 1813 Blairgowrie, parents John Heron and Elspeth Stewart (according to IGI)
James Marries Janet Reid 06 Nov 1842.
Children -
John Heron 1843 Blairgowrie. IGI extracted.
Helen 22 Nov 1846 Dunkeld. SP records
John 30 Aug 1848 Dunkeld. SP records.
Sorry Dave took the dob off Helen's death cert, as the info was given by a neighbour ????.
continuing to look round.
Regards patvp
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Hi Pricey - Confirmed James Heron on both IGI and SP (GRO335/0010 0272)
Parents Hohn Heron and Elspeth Stewart.
Re his death cert - the information is only as good as the informant gives and there are many mistakes made ..so don't worry too much about it.
Regards Patvp
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Hi again - Pricey
1851 census - Address "Cally"Caputh Perthshire.
James 1814 Blairgowrie (under gardener)
Janet 1813 Kinclaven Perthshire.
James 1844 Blairgowrie (scholar)
Helen 1847 Caputh (scholar)
John 1849 Caputh (scholar)
1861 - Address - Snaigow Gardens
James is now gardener, and James the son is under gardener, Helen listed as gardeners daughter, and John is still a scholar. There is also a nephew Robert Heron born 1853 Dundee Forfar, staying with them.
Unable to find them on the 1871 census.
1881 - James is now a farmer at "Ninewells"Caputh 220 acres employing 3 men. Janet (wife) son John and daughter Helen are still at home.
1891 - Farmer at "Milton of Clunie" Helen still at home, and they have 2 servants.
1901 - you already know at "Burnside" with Helen still at home.
Hope all this has helped.. ;D patvp