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Can anyone tell me if the names Cooper, Barker and Noble are known gypsy names, they came from around the North Yorkshire area. Thanks Sorcha
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Cooper is def a gypsy name here in the South West. Not sure about the others.
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.....And, Bob Dawson lists both Barker and Noble as pretty well spread ;)
Barker, he found in Yorkshire, among other places. Noble he has down for NTH, and a very long time ago. But, there it is. Perhaps others can expand on that?
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Thankyou both for your replies I will check out Bob Dawsons site Sorcha x
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Sorcha; Unless ye want to buy his book, " A Romany in the Family " ....? He doesn't list the information on his site.
Expect a PM, now that I'm less rushed ;)
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Yeah Steve I just realised that!!!! Sorcha x
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hey steve i just noticed yoiur grandmother was a burge from somerset hampshire etc., are you sure it was burge or could it have been birch/burch?
just wondering as we have so many birches(my line)in those areas.cathayb
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Cathay; When I was younger (Much younger ..... God almighty; So Much Younger! ;D) I plainly recall the moment when I asked my Gt. Aunt if it was Burge or 'Burch' / Birch. She was quite categoric: BURGE.
Her mother, 'Polly Burge', in my avatar there, married Bill HUNTLEY. My Gt. Aunt recalled her days travelling with them. One of her brothers being born in a stable, somewhere outside of Chichester.
Through some of Polly's siblings, I've got Their parents down as a Burge from the west country. And there the trail goes cold.
However, there's a man out there who has his own line of Burge back to the stone age and down to tomorrow. We've compared notes and excrutiatingly strong 'circumstantial' evidence cries out that his and mine are the same line. Hundreds of Burge's out there. But our lines walk and talk like a very particular duck. Quite distinct from the others.
One more generation back and I'm sure we could make the clasp. I have kids who are probably Polly's aunts and uncles to be. But, my trail's gone cold (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/wallbash.gif)
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Cooper is def a gypsy name here in the South West. Not sure about the others.
:o one of my ancestors was john cooper a gypsy hawker,born 1863 in Hampshire but spent there lives in Devon .
his wife was called Louisa. they travelled with the Burr family but records are hard to come by as they never registered births or marriages.any info on either of them would be welcome.or goodwin family who were gypsys
thank you
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any more info?i have coopers and goodwins in my own family tree.west country gypsies,any idea of loiuses maiden name?
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i got some burrs aswell but they are mixed up with the crockers"!!!!
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Plenty of Coopers in New Forest, Hampshire.
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any more info?i have coopers and goodwins in my own family tree.west country gypsies,any idea of loiuses maiden name?
Sorry i dont no loiueses maiden name. I have some more info which might be useful.Gilbert Goodwin,Hawker,married Irene Burr at Plymouth register office in March 1926,on the wedding certificate,Gilbert goodwins father is shown as Albert Goodwin,working cutler,and Irene burrs father is shown as Henry Burr, Hawker,
we know Irene Burr was born in 1902 in chacewater cornwall, from the 1911 census extract,and info is confirmed by her son who is now in his eighties.
1911 census . Tolgus Mount Redruth
Henry Burr born 1871 aged age 40 licenced hawer cant say were as i dont no.
Phoebe Burr born 1876 age 35 in st Just in Cornwall
Delilah Burr born 1898 age 13 Redruth
Ellen Burr born 1900 age 11 St Ives
Irene Burr born 1902 age 9 in chacewater.
james burr born1904 age7 chacewater
Harriet Burr born 1907 age 4 Redruth
Henry BURR BORN 1909 AGE 2 REDRUTH
THE LINK TO THE COOPERS IS DIFFICULT TO ESTABLISH, BUT I WILL TRY IN ANOTHER POST.
hope this will be of help
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my goodwins are around the keynsham bristol area and my gilbert goodwin married daisy/phobe white daughter of edward white.they are mixed in with the coopers aswell.cathayb
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my goodwins are around the keynsham bristol area and my gilbert goodwin married daisy/phobe white daughter of edward white.they are mixed in with the coopers aswell.cathayb
::)hi that dont really ring a bell for me can u tell me the names of the burrs have on your tree please
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florence married a pidgely, mary ann married abraham boswell and trainette married the crocker
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florence married a pidgely, mary ann married abraham boswell and trainette married the crocker
sorry what was thre maiden names pls
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burr.
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burr.
[/quot thank u i will go throw the ones i have and see if i can put them with my burrs have a nice christmas
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Hi Sorcha,
Merry Christmas.
I have one Nobel in my tree, don't know if this will help. But she was a Gypsy/Hawker from the Yorkshire area.
Jessie Nobel: b: abt 1840.
She married:
Alexander McKenzie: Coal Merchant dates unknown I'm afraid.
(Details from Daughters marriage Cert'.)
They had a daughter Jeannie McKenzie b: 1874 in Leith, Edinburgh. Occ Hawker
She was the second wife of Matthew Hartley: b: abt 1845 in York. Occ: Hawker of Baskets
They married on the 15/04/1895 in Aberdeen.
I've not researched this side yet, so do not have that much info....might have a go though :)
Jane.
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florence married a pidgely, mary ann married abraham boswell and trainette married the crocker
i have florence,trenet, and mary ann as children of walter burr.
( born 1866 or 1871 approx).i think walters father was henry burr born 1821,who was my ancestor and was irene burrs grandfather.
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Hi my great GGG was mathew hartley
Matthew (1845) was married for a second time in 1895 in Aberdeen, to Jeanie McKenzie b abt 1874 Leith Scotland.
Their children were:
Margaret Isabell b: 1897 Leith
Jeanie or Jessie b: 1896 Leith
Hannah b: 1898 Leith.
to fill in the spaces.
My Granfather Ross Dougan Hartley Leith Edinburgh and family pics can be found on my flikr stream http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard_venters/
Im looking to fill in a lot of gaps as usual JaneyJ who posts here has found a lot of info, here Great Aunt was married to my GG John Hartley. hope to get in touch with her soon.
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Hi, I know this is an extremely old thread, but I thought I would post on here rather than start a new one, due to the relevance of some of the comments!
I am trying to trace my paternal grandmother and her family, but have got stuck!
She was Kathleen Goodwin b1909 dorset d1967 Plymouth
Married Edward Thomas O'Riley 1928 Plymouth
Had a brother Albert Goodwin b1905 who married an Irene Burr
I also believe her father was called Albert Goodwin, but I can find no trace of him nor her mother!
Can anybody please help?
Many thanks in advance, Squizzles!! ;D
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Hi,
Cooper and sometimes Couper and some like to say it as cooter! can be found as far back as 1600 in England and Wales,Barker also go's back to the 1600's as well as Noble which is found across Buckinghamshire,Berkshire and Northamptonshire.
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I have earnest Goodwin born 1891 in bath somerset.in 1901 he was living in twerton somerset.he married phobe(daisy)white.they had lots of children in keynsham.
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Cooper is def a gypsy name here in the South West. Not sure about the others.
My family are Roma from Barry South Wales, the name is Price, do you know them?
Marona
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My family are Roma from Barry South Wales, the name is Price, do you know them?
Marona
Marona; Thirty five years ago, I was sat in one of the Welsh Price's trailers, chatting and examining old photo's of their family wagons on the road.
I'm pretty sure that was Peter. It was central south coast and they were stopping in company with the Welsh Lee's et al.
One of the Price's also had a gorgeously flash trailer, on that site at that time. Blue and chrome! A lovely photo exists of it, today, on the 'Gypsy Trailers' site.
Sadly, all so long ago, lord knows what further assistance I could now be. Feel free to shout though :)
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Hi All!
My maternal side is largely Winter, Cunningham and Longbottom. I have a 2nd cousin Jacob Winter that married Christiana Swales. My people mostly hailed from the North. My grandfather (Andrew Winter) evidently moving South to the Croydon area where he married my grandmother Grace Mary Longbottom. Andrew's parents were William Winter and Ann Cunningham. On the UK census 1901, their address was in Hitchin, Hertfordshire...in address column includes the word 'caravan'.
I only just found out a few months ago that my grandfather was Romany. Seems this was pretty much something my mom and her siblings didn't know or kept silent about. Mom brought me to America when I was 13 months old (back in 1947)....so I didn't get to know my Brit family. Met them briefly when I lived there for a short while, when I was 18. Though she did talk often of her dad and how he sold stuff. My mom's birth certificate has her dad's occupation as 'Hawker'.
Has been an amazing last few months for me. :)
Chris in Chicago
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Re - Burge gypsy - Northern England and Southern Scotland. I have an ancestor who was arrested near York in the 1600's. His crime was 'driving a gypsy caravan', so I'm guessing being Romani was outlawed at the time. I don't really know how I'm connected, but I'm pretty sure I am another one who has come out of the woodwork. One of my great-uncles/cousins was named Lou Burge, who lived in Victoria, Australia. He had the typical gypsy colouring and is only recently deceased. If anyone could tell me more about the Roma Burges I would be very appreciative. On my ancestry DNA profile I received some interesting news - connections to a group of people from India/Nepal. I'm guessing this is my connection. I will try to see if I can unearth the exact names and details of the person who was my ancestor. On My Heritage, I have just had another person confirm their connection to me. He also is of Romani heritage. His name is Sean Atkinson. Knowing my grand-father's family, it is no great surprise to me that there is Roma heritage. Too many coincidences re Roma belief, customs and lifestyle.
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I'm a Buck from australia my father is from Mansfield and my mother from forrest of dean area. Both claim they are from gypsy lineage but I haven't been able to find much documentation from my father's lineage unfortunately.
All I know is Buck from Mansfield married a heaven and moved to Perth Australia around the 70s. Dad was 4 and he left home when he was 13 moved to south australia Adelaide. So even at that my father knows very little about his ancestors.