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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: amers411 on Thursday 19 November 09 18:37 GMT (UK)
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I posted regarding this recently but thought I'd try again...
My greatgrandfather was Robert Albin b.1876 d.1962. He was a farmer and raised in the townland of Rockmacreany (Richhill). He married 2 different women named Jane Fullerton (1st died in 1915, married 2nd in 1917 confirmed) and I have not yet found out whether they were related.
I have received information regarding his gravestone at Richhill Presbyterian (old church) but as of yet I have not been able to locate his birth record. I do know that his father's name was William from both of his marriage records but without that birth certificate I don't have his mother's name.
Any thoughts? I must be missing something right? How do I find out where the records are for Richhill Presbyterian Church? I suppose it is possible that whomever indexed records for the Irish Family History Foundation missed his record, right? Problem is I can't find it indexed anywhere else either, not LDS, not Emerald Ancestors. Any leads, info or help right now would be greatly appreciated. I'm not from Ireland so my only link is online for now. Thanks.
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Here's a link to your previous thread- it's best not to have more than one thread per subject as this causes confusion:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414610.msg2824075.html#msg2824075
It is often the case that details are omitted from baptismal registers. Years ago when baptisms were performed at home the minister would have written the details in the register at some point afterwards and perhaps this happened in the case of Robert Albin. His birth could have been recorded without the first name being chosen yet or perhaps a different Christian name was chosen and then the parents started using the name Robert or Robert was actually his middle name. Are you sure his parents were married at the time he was born? (check for his birth registration under mother's maiden name just to be sure)
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No problem. Guess I'm getting kind of frustrated and a bit desperate but I know that I'm not the only one when it comes to tracking these hard-to-find ancestors of ours :) I only posted again because initally I didn't include any identifying information in the Subject line and thought this might help to jog someone's memory or gain someone's interest if they had info to share.
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Thanks for the info as well regarding possible reasons why I can't find the record. Although it could be possible his parents weren't married at the time of his birth, the reason why I want the birth record so badly is because I don't have his mother's name. This is what I'm really interested in, getting that name.
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Is this the father William Albin in 9111?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001639031/
If so, religion given as Church of Ireland- have you checked burial register, gravestone inscriptions for the local church to see if there's any details about William's wife? If she was a local girl it's possible that she and William were even married there.
Or is this Wiliam the father? (although born c1817 so perhaps not)
"The Will of William Albin late of Rockmacraney County Armagh Farmer who died 5 February 1892 at same place was proved at Armagh by David Macartney of Ballybrockey Farmer and Elizabeth F.Albin of Rockmacraney Spinster both said County the Executors."
and could this be your Robert's mother? (only death I could find was Jan/Mar.1890 which is a year off- unless she didn't die at home)
"Administration of the estate of Ann Jane Albin late of Rockmacreaney County Armagh Widow who died 15 January 1889 granted at Armagh to Robert Albin of Rockmacreaney Farmer the Son."
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Question for you if you don't mind...Church of Ireland is Anglican correct? My greatgrandfather Robert was married in Presbyterian churches and was buried at Richhill Presbyterian. How likely would it be back then to change religions? I'm sure that all of the people you mentioned above are somehow related to one another but I have yet to determine how.
I did believe that the William listed on the 1911 census was the William I was searching for but haven't made the connection yet. He was a widower on the census so I searched for death records for female Albins who died between 1876 (Roberts birth year) and 1910 but haven't found my puzzle piece.
Unfortunately I don't believe that Ann Jane was my William's wife. The death record that you found lists her birth year as 1820 which is way too early. There was another Annie Albin who died later in the year 1888 that could be the same person but again, she was born in the 1820's.
I do have a marriage for a William to Mary McMullan in 1867 but William's residence is listed as Salter's Grange. They were married at Grange Church of Ireland. I'm not confident it is him. In saying that, I also have a death record for a Mary Albin d. 1880. So confusing.
Thank you for your effort. I'm interested to hear about the religious aspect.
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Church of Ireland (Anglican) also known as Established Church but marriages usually take place in bride's church so perhaps wife/wives C. or I. To be buried in Presbyterian churchyard the family is more than likely Presbyterian.
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HI,
My great-great Grandfather was Stewart Albin who was born in Armagh in 1808. He later moved to Scotland with his family. They belonged to the Church of Ireland inKildarton, which now takes in Richhill. I'm sure that he and your relation must have been cousins of some sort as the name is not common even in these parts. I have seen the Parish Records from Kildarton and discovered that the name was, originally, Aubiney! Some branches of the family changed it to Albin or Albany before this time. Would love to hear more from you.
Connie
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Robert Albin, Rockmacreany is my grandfather. He did marry two Jane Fullertons who were cousins I believe. My mum was his first child from his 2nd marriage, Eileen Albin. She died 11/10/88 aged 70. I live near to Richhill. Not sure if I can be of any more help to anyone wanting to know more about Robert Albin.
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Thanks Angiewe for your response! I have been away from working on my family tree for sometime. It was a wonderful hobby but was keeping me up late at night and taking a lot out of me. It is so nice to see so many people getting involved. I do remember an Eileen in the family. Your mother would have been my mother's great aunt. My mom's dad was Robert b. 1905. He emigrated in 1923 (?) to Canada, was married and had 4 children. My mom is the youngest.
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I just realized, you are Angela, yes? I remember that name too.
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I have fond memories of your grandfather, Robert Albin.
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I removed this post as per the administrator. Angela please check your pm's, I moved it there.
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It's lovely when relatives are re-united here on Rootschat but we aren't allowed to post details of living people (it is explained in Help pages under Posting Guidelines) so you'll both need to review your posts here and remove some of the details. You can use the PM (Personal Message) system to exchange recent family details, email address, etc.
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My apologies. I'll edit. Thanks.
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Your family may have been descendants of French Huguenots (protestants) as Aubigny might have been the original name which is of course French. Another possibility is a Swiss connection as Swiss weavers may have ended up in Northern Ireland too. Just a thought.
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Belfast News Letter
DEATHS
Thur 18 Oct 1888
ALBIN - October 16, at her residence Rockmacraney (sic), Annie, dearly beloved wife of William Albin, aged 60
Thur 11 Feb 1892
ALBIN- February 5 at his late residence, Rockmacreaney, Richhill, William Albin
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Belfast News Letter Wed, Oct 7 1874
SABBATH SCHOOL FESTIVAL -The annual festival was given on last Friday to the children of Rockmacreany Sabbath School, in the room, Rockmacreany, so elegantly fitted up by Mr William Albin. The attendance was large, notwithstandinfg the severity of the weather. After an abundant supply of tea and currant cake had been disposed of, interesting addresses were given by the superintendant of the school, Mr William Albin, Mr Robert Barrett, Rev J W Jonce, and J M Lynn Esq, M.D. Devotional exercises brought the meeting to a close.
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Re the 1892 death Find My Past has a death record for -
William Albin, Mar Qtr 1892, Armagh, age 75, vol 1, page 68
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Re the 1888 death Find My Past has a death record for -
Annie Albin, Dec Qtr 1888, age 60, Armagh, vol 1 page 47
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ALBIN, T
Rank: Private
Service No: 3/8658
Date of Death: 28/07/1915
Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own) 1st Bn.
Grave ReferenceY. 7.Cemetery
POTIJZE BURIAL GROUND CEMETERY
Son of Robert Albin No 1 Rockmacreny Richhill
I was researching Thomas Albin for inclusion on the Armagh War Memorial ,I have more details if you are interested?
Joe
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This does seem link with my grandfather - according to the 1911 census Robert Albin from Shewis, Richhill did not have a son called Thomas. I certainly never heard my mum mention a Thomas.
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They may be relatives Cousins etc, coincidence that I was researching the same surname, I would have liked to find out why he left Richhill to go to Sunderland, probably work.
This is what I have from local newspapers.
Born in 1895 Thomas was a son of Robert and Annie Albin of Rockmacreaney, Richhill. He was one of eight surviving children. When Thomas left school, he went to work in Thomas McCullough’s drapers shop in Scotch Street, Armagh.
At some stage between 1911 and 1914 Thomas left Richhill and moved to England. All that is currently known is that he is shown as enlisting in Sunderland, and joined the West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales Own), being posted to the 1st Battalion.
The 1st Battalion of the West Yorkshire Regiment went to the battlefields from 10 September 1914, disembarking at the port of St Nazaire. Thomas is recorded as arriving in France slightly later, arriving on 24 September 1914.
In July 1915 his regiment is in Belgium, involved in the Second Battle of Ypres. Thomas was killed in action on 28 July, and is buried in Potijze Burial Ground Cemetery.
1911 Census No 1 Rockmacreeny Richhill
#Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion
Albin Robert 60 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland
Albin Annie 47 Female Wife Church of Ireland
Albin Robert Henry 22 Male Son Church of Ireland
Albin Isaac 18 Male Son Church of Ireland
Albin Thomas W 16 Male Son Church of Ireland
Albin Maggie 13 Female Daughter Church of Ireland
Albin Lillie 11 Female Daughter Church of Ireland
Albin John 7 Male Son Church of Ireland