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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Lancashire Lou on Friday 11 March 05 16:00 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for the BIBB family (or any members of it!) that might be at 3 YORK ROW in 1841.
This is the address off a December 1841 marriage certificate, the marriage took place at St John the Evangelist, Paddington, so I ASSUME that York Row is in the parish
Thanks
Lou
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Hi Lou
Unfortunately for you, most of Paddington is listed as missing.
There are references to York Row but these are in Lambeth.
Being down under, I don't know London areas, so no idea if these could be one and the same or close by.
If you can clarify the area, let me know and will try again.
Cougar
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Thanks Cougar
My London geog isn't that great either so will check out the areas and get back to you.
I've now received the actual register entry (as opposed to being told over the email what it said) it is looks to me more than a 9 than a 3!
Lou
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Hi again Cougar
I would be really grateful if you could check out the references for York Row when you have the chance.
Given that they would have more than likely got married in the brides parish, it might be that he wasn't actually from Paddington!
Lou
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Hi Lou,
For 1841 - No luck I'm afraid.
Lambeth HO107 1055 ED 1 f 10-15 - no
Battersea HO107 1046 ED 4 11 - 12 - no
Shoreditch HO107 705 ED3 26 - 32 - no
SHoreditch 707 ED 5 11 - 12
Sorry couldn't find them
Cougar
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Appreciate your efforts, thank you.
Looks like they will remain hidden forever in the parts of Paddington that are missing!
Lou
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Don't give up on that Lou, recently some of the missing 1851 appeared - so when they say 'missing' don't really know if they are missing permantly or what.
I think some records have been destroyed by fire etc - but none too sure about that.
Cheers Cougar
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Cheers Cougar
I'll keep an open mind on that one then and see whether I can hunt them down in 1851.
Suspect they MAY have moved to Pimlico by that point (eldest child born Feb 1852 in Pimlico) so fingers crossed THAT isn't missing too!
Lou
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What is the address you have for 1851?
Cougar
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Hi Cougar
There isn't one!
It just says HALL PARK which apparantly doesn't actually exist as a place. I've checked it out on the London Met Archives website and it appears that Hall Park was (for want of a better phrase) a housing estate, consisting of several streets all interconnected....the ones it named being Crompton Street, Edgware Road, Elm Tree Place and Church Street.
So they could be anywhere!
Lou
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Don't panic - will have a wander and see if I can find it
Get back to you later about it as I am off to do some craft with my oldies in a little while.
Cougar
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Thank you!
Very much appreciated but don't put yourself out too much. I know how these early census are to search and without a definite target I'm not sure I'd want to attempt it!
Lou
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Sorry, sad tale - have been through HO107 1478 pages 1 - 66 where some of Pimlico turn up and none of yours.
Also HO107 1477 Pimlico turns up in bits and pieces so did the round trip through squares and gardens, lanes and alleys from page 660 through to 1180 which is where I ended up back in Westinster. Couldn't see them there either.
There was only one POSSIBLE and the writing was shocking, so don't know if it was BIBB or GILL written badly -
that was for a Martha Bibb/Gill?? servant unmarried aged 22 born Kipton Yorkshire on page 795 at 31 Commercial Road, St Geo Hanover Square, Belgrave which is where Pimlico is turning up.
Sorry - will watch when am wandering.
Cougar
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Many thanks for your time and all your efforts so far.
This family are definitely proving elusive!
Lou
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Lou
Do you have Christian names, dates of births or anything to go with the BIBB surname?
Cougar
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Hi Cougar
There are only 115 Bibb's in the whole of London by the 1871 census so ANYONE you may stumble across of that name would certainly be of interest!
However the people I am desperate to find are my 3xgrandparents. I have very little information but what I have is:
George Bibb married Sarah Ann (nee Hooper) 27th Dec 1850 at St Johns Church, Paddington, address on cert given as Hall Park which is why I HOPED they might still be on the 1851 at the same place. No such luck!
George's father was William and both men were Tailors. George died in 1858, age at death according to cert 34, which gives a birth year of c1824. Sarah Ann was born in 1821.
I have Sarah on the 1861 census living in Cavendish Sq Marylebone with 3 children, the two boys I knew about, Richard b1856 and George Hooper b1859 (George being my next direct line down). The daughter Sarah Ann b1852 Pimlico was a total surprise but have been unable to locate a baptism for her to try and get some clues, her birth cert just says Hall Park in the address space but Hall Park can't be in Paddington AND Pimlico surely????
I have traced two brothers (John and William) for George who married in 1841 and 1848 in Paddington, both born St Pancras according to tracing them on later census.
Other than that I'm cracking my head against the proverbial brick wall!
Lou
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Hi Cougar
There are only 115 Bibb's in the whole of London by the 1871 census so ANYONE you may stumble across of that name would certainly be of interest!
However the people I am desperate to find are my 3xgrandparents. I have very little information but what I have is:
George Bibb married Sarah Ann (nee Hooper) 27th Dec 1850 at St Johns Church, Paddington, address on cert given as Hall Park which is why I HOPED they might still be on the 1851 at the same place. No such luck!
George's father was William and both men were Tailors. George died in 1858, age at death according to cert 34, which gives a birth year of c1824. Sarah Ann was born in 1821.
I have Sarah on the 1861 census living in Cavendish Sq Marylebone with 3 children, the two boys I knew about, Richard b1856 and George Hooper b1859 (George being my next direct line down). The daughter Sarah Ann b1852 Pimlico was a total surprise but have been unable to locate a baptism for her to try and get some clues, her birth cert just says Hall Park in the address space but Hall Park can't be in Paddington AND Pimlico surely?
I have traced two brothers (John and William) for George who married in 1841 and 1848 in Paddington, both born St Pancras according to tracing them on later census.
Other than that I'm cracking my head against the proverbial brick wall!
Lou
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No idea what has happened here....I seem to be repeating myself!!!
Lou
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Got the hiccoughs have you - just trying to see if I can find anything else for you
Cougar
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Is this Sarah Ann's birth?
Parents Thomas Hooper and Harriet?
Birth: 25 MAY 1821
Christening: 17 JUN 1821 Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS HOOPER Family
Mother: HARRIET
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Hi Lou
OK found Elm Tree and wandered in and around that area - nothing.
Edgware Road goes for miles - tried a Paddington section and it's side streets and nothing.
Tried Hall Place, Paddington again nothing.
Sorry - they are probably in there somewhere - I just haven't been able to find them for you.
HO107 1466 pages 62 - 145.
folios 460 to 485.
Cougar
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Hi Lou
The streets that you are looking for are in Marylebone.
Cissellby
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Hi you two
Sorry- but that comes up under what I have been through - there was only one other ref. HO107 1467 f 252 and have been all around that area as well and no luck.
Sorry Cougar
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I feel really rude for not getting back to you both sooner but for some reason I didn't get a message this time to tell me you'd posted replies.
Cougar, thank you so much for all your efforts. Yes, that's Sarah Ann's birth. I have her on the 1841 census in Marylebone, she's a servant. Have been unable to find the rest of the family.
Someone has kindly been to the London Met Archives for me today after I found another BIBB marriage which IS connected to mine.
Peter Bibb married in 1848 but the address on that cert is no more help than the others....All Souls, Marylebone!
Lou
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Hi Lou
couple more births for you just in case you don't have them.
Frances Emma Hooper
b 30 June 1823
christened 20 July 1823 St Mary, St Marylebone Rd, St Marylebone
Emily Hooper
b 27 June 1825
c 10 July 1825 same as above.
Cougar.
Will keep a watch when trawling in that area for you.
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Had one of my brilliant thoughts and decided to trawl around the area of the church - not so brilliant.
The only Hooper I have found is Henry, aged 20 male servant born out of London on p 91 of
HO107 679 ED3 in ???? street - looks like Casulard??? St Mary, Maryelbone.
Oh well, back to the drawing board.
Cougar
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Good morning
Thank you for Henry. I'm certainly NOT going to rule him out as maybe being connected somehow.
I can't find a marriage at the moment for Thomas and Harriet anywhere in London. I know that not all the churches are listed on IGI or BVRI so they may well have married at one that hasn't had their registers filmed, but I also can't rule out the possibility that neither were born in London and may have married elsewhere before moving to London.
I've now managed to locate the other brother Peter and his wife Maria on the 1861 census. I found them on the 1837online name index and someone has kindly sent me the return. 1837 have the address transcribed as 16 Gresse Street, Pancras, but to ME is looks more like Grefe or Glebe...it doesn't look much like Gresse anyway.
Not that that is much use...knowing this family, they went from marrying in 1848 to Pancras in 1861 via Timbuktoo!
Lou
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Well you were right - they are not at 16 Gresse St St Pancras in 1861. (spelling is correct, by the way)
Sorry bout that - think we will have to try again.
Cougar
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Thanks for checking that. I didn't expect them to have made my life easier!
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Just a thought - the BVRI latest one anyway - doesn't have very much of London and none of Middlesex in it. Pain because that is one of the main reasons I got it.
Did you check the BVRI for all areas, or just the little they have in Lon/Mdx?
Cougar
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Someone else did the lookup for me so probably just London/Middlesex cos that's where I would have said I was looking for them at the time.
I know from IGI there's a large contigency of Bibb's from in and around Birmingham but have yet to find a link!
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OK - I'll have a look and see if there is anything likely
Cougs
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BIBB, George Chr 1752 Engl Worc Ribbes
Fa: William BIBB
Mo: Mary
BIBB, George Chr 1841 Engl Worc Mamble
Fa: James BIBB
Mo: Hannah
BIBB, George William Bir 1892 Engl Staf MavRid
Fa: Arthur BIBB
Mo: Emily
These are the only George Bibb births
here are the ones for Thomas
BIB, Thomas Bir 1668 Engl Worc Ribbes
Fa: Thomas BIB
Mo: Joane
BIBB, Thomas Bir 1702 Engl Worc Ribbes
Fa: Richard BIBB
Mo: Ann
BIB, Thomas Chr 1750 Engl Worc Ribbes
Fa: William BIB
Mo: Marey
BIBB, Thomas Chr 1752 Engl Worc Ribbes
Fa: Thomas BIBB
Mo: Mary
BIB, Thomas Chr 1769 Engl Nott Caunto
Fa: BIB
Mo:
BIBBS, Thomas Walter Chr 1857 Engl Here Ledbur
Fa: Benjamin BIBBS
Mo: Elizabeth
BIBB, Thomas James Bir 1869 Engl Lond Westmi
Fa: James BIBB
Mo: Mary
Will Go look at marriages.
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No marriages for George and the only ones for Thomas are all back in 1700.
There goes another idea.
Cougar
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Thank you anyway....back to smacking my head against the wall!
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Hi Lou,
Crompton Place, Edgware Rd, Church St, can be seen on a 1854 map. Go to WWW. Victorianlondon.org, click on maps, click on Pictorial Map of London, you need section 1a, top left hand corner.
From the left side of that section, follow the tear along, and you will find the area you are looking for. York Row not shown.
St John the Evangelist Church, is in Kensal Green, about 3 miles along the Harrow Rd, I think that parish came under North Kensington or Kensal Town in the 1841 census.
There is a church in Paddington Green St Mary`s, poss that one of them lived in Kensal Green, Harlesden or Willesden.
Hope that I have not rattled on for to long. Cissellby
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Hi Cissellby
Yet again, no message to say that you had posted so many apologies, I haven't checked the site in a while!
Well I still haven't had so much as a sniff of either George and his parents in 41 or George and Sarah in 1851 despite look ups on name indexes, searching trade and post office directories and numerous look ups on possible connections at the LMA
Am beginning to think these people left the country on census night!
Lou
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Hi you two
Thanks for the refs. Cissellby - worked out now why cannot find Stepney Green - parts of Paddington/Kensal Green are missing - including Edgware Road - in fact it seems most of Paddington area is missing - only a few bits and pieces are available.
Don't know if this means they are missing - full stop -
missing - as yet not filmed - or what.
Sorry Cougar.
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Hi Cougar
Thanks for that! I really don't know what to do about this family although another marriage cert has arrived this morning.
This is from 1839 and states the address as All Souls, Marylebone, which doesn't tell me a great deal either!
I assume All Souls is another area within Marylebone...they sure liked to move house!
Lou
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Hello
I'm doing a bit of housekeeping and wondering if this older request has been resolved in the meantime or you are still looking for the information? If the latter, do you have any further information to hand?
If I don't hear from you in a while I'll assume this is resolved and move it to the 'completed' section.
Regards
Biker :)
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I know this post was started some time ago.... but wondered if a Paddington lookup for 1841 was still possible?
I found an old note that says Mary FLETCHER (born c1816) was living at Connaught Square, Paddington, Middlesex. I would love to know the details.
Many thanks
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I know this post was started some time ago.... but wondered if a Paddington lookup for 1841 was still possible?
Unfortunately not. As mentioned several times in the above thread, Paddington is largely missing from the 1841 census. That's not just 'missing from Ancestry' (or wherever), but totally missing, i.e. lost before filming.