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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: nanny249 on Tuesday 24 November 09 15:17 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone any information regarding a Rose Young born in Londonderry(not sure when). She married a Robert Mooney in 1896. Had a son also named Robert in1897. The father died(accident?)in 1897 same time as son was born.I think her father was named Charles and her mother .was Catherine nee Wilton. Supposedly Catherine was related to a Lord Mayor of Londonderry. Any information would be most welcome. Thanks
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Charles Young and Catherine Wilton (married 1869 Co.Derry) had several children- listed in IGI (www.familysearch.org):
1. Jane born 7 Nov.1869 Londonderry (city)
2. Rose Ann born 18 Oct.1873 Londonderry (city)
3. David born 8 Nov.1874 Londonderry (city) (page 203 in civil index)
4. Daniel Wilton born 23 Apr.1877 Londonderry (city)
5. Charles born 24 Nov.1878 Londonderry (city)
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Thank you so much for a very swift reply. It is very much appreciated. Regards Sheila
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this is their marriage.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 6 Jan 1869
Groom Name charles YOUNG
Bride Name catherine WILTON
Church Saint Columbs Church of Ireland
Parish Templemore
Civil District Londonderry
County Londonderry
regards mary.
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Hi Mary,
Thank you so much for the marriage information. Another piece of the family history. Because my mother (who was Rose Youngs daughter) has been dead for quite some time I know nothing about my Irish relations. Thank you once again. Regards Sheila
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Nanny,
I have a Rose Anne Young with some sort of connection to my family, however my Rose Anne was still going by this name in 1910 when she was witness to the double wedding of my grandmothers brother and sister, David McConnell [to Sarah Cassidy] and Jessie McConnell [to George Moss] at Carlisle Road Presbyterian Church.
My grandmother was Lilly Young McConnell and her father John Young McConnell.
The reason for my interest is that another sister of Jessie and David's, Margaret [or possibly Maude] married William Wilton, brother of the future Mayor of Londonderry James Wilton.
Their son, William McConnell Wilton, had a funeral business in Belfast.
For your information, Robert George Mooney and his grandmother Catherine Young [ nee Wilton] were in 1911 living in Gordon Place Londonderry with a family named Hawkins, and listed as relatives.
No sign of Rose Anne.
Rob
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Rob,
17 Apr 1900 William Wilton married MATILDA MARY McConnell in Carlisle Rd. Presbyterian Church, Londonderry City.
Regards
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Hi Rob,
Thank you for your reply. Since posting query I have found a little more about Rose Ann. She married a William Duckett in Scotland. She is in the Scottish Census 1901 she then moved back to Londonderry where my mother was born in August 1901. They lived in Nailors Gate(1911 census)but seem to flit between Scotland and Ireland. They then came to Bolton Lancs but I do not know when. She always said she was related to a Lord Mayor of Londonderry. So could we talking about the same Rose Ann.??. Regards Sheila.
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King's
Yes that's my great aunt, Matilda, remember now she was known as Maude.
Married William Wilton bother of James and Robert.
James being Mayor of Londonderry.
nanny,
No i don't think they are the same Rose Anne. But if yours is connected to the Wiltons above then we share the same cousins but from different sides.
There is nother thread on the Wiltons showing the parents and family of James/William/Robert but i don't think there is a mention of a Catherine Wilton as one of their aunts.
Rob
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Hi Rob,
Thanks for reply. Sorry it is not the same Rose Ann. I will keep on digging. Regards Sheila
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Catherine Young is my great great Grandmother.
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My mother margaret alice duckett was the eldest child of rose young and william duckett
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My great grandmother is Mary Hawkins(nee young) who is the daughter of Catherine young who was widowed according to the 1901 census she was living in Dark lane along with John Young her son and a grand daughter called Martha Jane Peoples(not sure whose daughter she was). In the 1911 census Catherine and Robert Mooney who was a nephew had moved into Gordon place with Mary and Frederick Hawkins my great grandfather. Cannot find any trace of Rose Young on any records so far but thanks to the information here have found out Catherine’s husband and maiden name
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Rose Ann young married a Robert Mooney who died in an accident. She had a son named Robert Robert junior died in 1st world war. She moved to Bolton Lancashire. Her eldest daughter Margaret Alice duckett married Henry bromiley in Bolton. Margaret and Henry were my parents. For some reason not known Robert Mooney stayed in Ireland with his grandmother.
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Thanks it appears that Rose was Mary's older sister and it explains a bit more why Robert Mooney jnr was living in the household along with Catherine his grandmother. Not sure if you have seen it but there is a link http://www.diamondwarmemorial.com/soldiers/view/900 where it explains a bit more about Robert who died in WW1 at the somme
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I do have some information on the Youngs, etc. but before I post it all wondering if Rose Ann Young's husband William Duckett was from Lancashire?
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Do you have a date of birth for him by any chance as I will have a look around for you and see if i can find anything out. On my search I had not heard of rose until seeing the thread on here so don’t know anything about William to search on
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Haven't been searching for William Duckett (it is an uncommon Derry surname) but if he was born in Lancashire and possibly served in Boer War then I have found some interesting and sad details for him. Will finish typing out the Young family then post.
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William duckett born in Bolton in 1873 died in Bolton. Married rose in Glasgow. His mother was Francis Delaney who came from Cork. How he ended up in Derry I have no idea. He died before I was born as did Rose. His father was also named William. We know nothing g about him or Rose. My mum died in the early seventies and she very rarely spoke about her parents.
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Here's a start on your family tree (lots of wonderful, free Irish resources now online). You'll see why it has to be posted in sections.
Charles Young (c1846-25 Dec.1882) m.(6 Jan.1869 St. Columb’s COI) Catherine Wilton (c1843-27 Apr.1921)
1869- 5 Abbey St. 1873- Middle Row. 1878- 24 Lecky Rd. 1882- Lecky Rd. 1889- laundryworker, Foxes Corner. 1901- Dark La.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06375/4829549.pdf
Derry Journal, 27 Dec.1882: … December at Lecky Road. Londonderry Charles Young, aged 36.
Derry City Cemetery (F-a-282): Charles Young, born Derry, died Quarry Pl., age 36, died 224 Dec.1882, buried 27 Dec.1882, plot owner- Thomas Wilton 9 Abbey St.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__2_Urban__South_Ward/Dark_Lane/1536004
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05096/4399895.pdf
Children:
1. Jane Young (1869) m. Robert Peoples
2. Rose Ann Young (1873) m.(1896) Robert Mooney, m. William Duckett
3. David Young (8 Nov.1874, 13 Abbey St.-30 Apr.1874 Abbey St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03126/2146354.pdf
Derry City Cemetery: David Young, parents Charles & Catherine Young, born & died Abbey St., aged 2 weeks, d.20 Nov.1874, bur. 21 Nov.1874, ‘a pauper.’
4. Mary Margaret Young (Apr.1876-30 Apr.1876 Thomas St.).
Derry City Cemetery: Mary Margaret Young, parents- Charles & Catherine Youbg, born & died Thomas St., age 3 wks, died 30 Apr.1876, bur. 1 May 1876.
5. Daniel Wilton Young (23 Apr.1877 Thomas St.-2 Aug.1878, 24 Lecky Rd.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020502/7194659.pdf
Derry City Cemetery: Daniel Wilton Young, parents- Charles & Catherine Young, born Thomas St., died 2 Aug.1878 aged 1 yr 5 mo. at 24 Lecky Rd., buried 3 Aug.1878, ‘pauper.’
6. Charles Young (24 Nov.1878, 24 Lecky Rd.-25 Oct.1889 Gwyns Institution)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02931/2073984.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06125/4749097.pdf
Derry City Cemetery (F-a-635): Charles Young, parents Charles & Catherine Young, born Londonderry, d. 25 Oct.1889 Gwyns School, age 11, buried 26 Oct.1889.
7. Mary “Minnie” Young (1881) m.(1899) Frederick Hawkins
8. John Young (1882) m.(1902) Rebeca Boyd
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Jane Young (7 Nov.1869, 5 Abbey St.) m. Robert Peoples
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03373/2236569.pdf
He may be the Robert Peoples charged numerous times with drunkenness in the 1890s.
1. Martha Jane Peoples (17 Oct.1889, 60 Fahan St.-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02453/1911761.pdf
2. Robert Peoples (25 Sept.1891, 60 Fahan St.-25 Feb.1894, Bishop St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02369/1884376.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05977/4699257.pdf
Derry Journal, 23 Feb.1894: INQUEST IN BISHOP-STREET. … was held in public house of Mr. Selfridge, Bishop-street (without), the City Coroner, touching … the death child named Robert Peoples, aged 2 ½ years, who lived with his mother … in Hanlon’s close. A respectable jury, of which Mr. H. M'Monagle was foreman …
3. ? Jane Peoples (c1892-16 Dec.1897 Infirmary)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05856/4659546.pdf
Derry Journal, 17 Sept.1897: A CHILD FATALLY BURNED. … Lindsay, with competent jury opened an inquest Derry City and County Infirmary touching the death of little girl named Jane Peoples, who died in the institution an early hour that morning. Head-Constable Gallagher watched the proceedings on behalf of …
Haven't found marriage of Robert Peoples & Jane Young or birth of child Jane Peoples to see if she is their daughter. Perhaps Scotland?
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Rose Ann Young (18 Oct.1873 Middle Row) m.(27 June 1896 Christ Church COI) Robert Mooney (c1873-28 Dec.1896, Albert St.) m.(Scot.) William Duckett (c1873 England-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03173/2163889.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05874/4665469.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10490/5820066.pdf
1899- Rose Mooney witness to marriage of Minnie Young & Frederick Hawkins
Londonderry Sentinel, 13 Aug.1901: … followed the constable, and between the three they rescued Duckett, who was held up until some bystanders threw ropes and lifebuoys, and rescuers and rescued were brought ashore. Duckett was taken the police office, and charged before two magistrates …
Derry Journal, 14 Aug.1901: GALLANT RESCUE FROM DROWNING. … about five o’clock on Monday evening a man named William Duckett, of 2, Dark-lane, Derry, who has recently returned from South Africa, made a most determined attempt to commit suicide by drowning. Having had a quarrel with …
Londonderry Sentinel, 20 Aug.1901: William Duckett, a native of Lancashire, was charged on remand with having attempted to commit suicide on the 12th inst. By throwing himself into …
Londonderry Sentinel, 26 May 1903: William Duckett, Bishop-street, was charged by … www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__4_/Nailor_s_Row__Londonderry_Urban_No__2_/603702
1916- soldier (see Lily’s birth certificate)
1. Robert George Mooney (Feb.1897, 62 Bishop St.-1 July 1916 The Somme)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02139/1812314.pdf
Londonderry Sentinel, 25 July 1916: Mrs. Duckett, Dark lane, Londonderry, has been notified that her son, Private Robert Mooney. Derry Volunteers, attached to the Tyrone …
Londonderry Sentinel, 10 Aug.1916: Mrs. Duckett, 11, Dark-lane, Londonderry, has received a sympathetic letter from Colonel Ricardo on the death in action on 1st July of …
http://www.diamondwarmemorial.com/soldiers/view/900
2. Margaret Alice Duckett (16 Aug.1901, 2 Dark La.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01943/1751182.pdf (Margaret Dockett)
3. William J. Duckett (12 June 1904, 64 Bishop St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01827/1714211.pdf
4. Kathleen Duckett (19 Sept.1905, 11 Albert Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01762/1694036.pdf
5. Thomas Duckett (c1907 Scot.-aft.1911)
6. Frances Duckett (c1909 Eng.-aft.1911)
7. Annie Duckett (11 June 1911, 19 Dark La.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01519/1616594.pdf
8. Charles Duckett (29 Oct.1912, 19 Dark La.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01473/1600046.pdf
9. Lily Florence Duckett (13 Jan.1916, 11 Dark La.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01352/1557780.pdf
? stillborn child (31 Jan.1916), parents William & Rose Duckett, Derry City Cemetery. Note dates- Is this Lily? error in cemetery records?
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Mary “Minnie” Young (11 July 1881 Lecky Rd.-1963) m.(5 Apr.1899 Christ Church COI) Frederick Hawkins (c1877 England-1957), railway porter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02816/2033225.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10380/5779160.pdf
1901- Mary Hawkins in mother Catherine Young’s household
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__2_/Gordon_Place/602279/
1. Mary Catherine Hawkins (12 June 1903, 62 Bishop St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01869/1727703.pdf
2. Florence Hawkins (1 June 1904, 7 Gordon Pl.-20 Mar.1905, 1 Gordon Pl., aged 10 mo.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01827/1714226.pdf (Lawrence)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05603/4575073.pdf (Florence)
Derry City Cemetery (F-a-635): Florence Hawkins, 9 months, d.19 Mar.1905, bur. 21 Mar.1905, parents Frederick & Mary Hawkins, born Gordon Pl., d.1 Gordon Pl.
3. Lily Florence Hawkins (16 June 1906, 1 Gordon Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01740/1687313.pdf
4. Beatrice Aileen Hawkins (2 Apr.1908, 1 Gordon Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01655/1660254.pdf
5. George Charles Hawkins (30 Dec.1910, 1 Gordon Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01540/1623481.pdf
6. Frederick Hawkins (24 Sept.1913, 1 Gordon Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01431/1586814.pdf
7. Bruce Miller Hawkins (23 Apr.1916, 15 Gordon Pl.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01344/1554630.pdf
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John Young (10 Dec.1882 Lecky Rd.) m.(26 June 1902 Derry Cathedral COI) Rebeca Boyd
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02760/2013799.pdf (father died 15 days later)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1902/10273/5738677.pdf (van driver)
1. John Charles Young (1 Dec.1903, 22 Fountain St.)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01850/1721054.pdf
That's as far as I got- no trace of John Young & family in Derry after son born 1903 yet
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Many thanks for all the information I have only recently started researching my family tree and didn’t have much info on the Irish side. In case you need the info Frederick hawkins snr is originally from aldershot in england and his dad was Alexander,from what I gather he moved to Ireland when he enrolled in the army in Dover as he was in the royal inniskilling fusiliers. His son Frederick jnr married Kathleen Hawkins in mexborough yorkshire (my grandparents) but later got divorced, he moved down south and didn’t keep in touch with my dad so didn’t know much about him. Thanks again for all the info it’s been a great help!
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Thank you so much for all Information regarding my relatives. My sister and I knew nothing g whatsoever about William duckett. My mother was born on the 16th August s couple of days after William's attempted suicide. It is so much appreciated all the hard work you must have put in. Will now try and find out how he ended up in Derry. Thank you . Sheila.
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Regarding lily she was a twin and it was her twin who died.
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Regarding lily she was a twin and it was her twin who died.
Twin must have been stillborn but Lily's date of birth perhaps not accurate in that case.
Will now try and find out how he ended up in Derry.
Since he was a railway porter in Derry it's possible he went to work there- do you know what his occupation was in England?
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According to my sister the child who died was s boy named David. But we thought lily was born on the 30th January 1916. We must be wrong. Is there any way I can get copies regarding William's attempted suicide.? Thanks once again.
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Have now sorted out papers and have read about William. Thank you for all your help. Regards sheila