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Hi. Can anyone do a lookup for me. I am after my ATKINSON family (but they might be in the census records under a different spelling!!).
I have a Mary ATKINSON b.1828 (married by 1861).
Her brother Jonas ATKINSON b.1837.
Sister Emma ATKINSON b.1851.
As far as I know they were born in Denholme WY. and lived there their whole lives. I have an address as Denholme Farm, but don't know if that is where they can be found. On modern maps it is noted as Denholme House.
Any help would be great.
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Hi Katherine,
Does this look right?
1851
HO107/2311 217 28
Thornton, Yorkshire
(Ecclesiastical district of Denholme Gate)
Far Clough
William Atkinson, head, 44, Worsted H L Weaver
Salley, wife, 45, ditto
Mary, dau, unm, 24, Worsted P L Weaver
Absolam, son, unm, 21, Worsted (something)
Jonathan, son, 18, Wool Comber
Jonas, son, 16, Worsted P L Weaver
Rachel, dau, 14, Worsted Spinner
Sarah Ann, dau, 7, scholar
Emma, dau, 9 mo
All born Thornton
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1841
HO107/1297/7 7 6
Thornton, Yorkshire
Denholme Clough
William Atkinson, 30, Worsted Weaver
Sarah, 35
Mary, 14
Absalom, 11
Jonathan, 9
Jonas, 6
Rachel, 3
All born in county
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1861
RG9/3337 22 5
Thornton, Yorkshire
Denholme Clough
Private House
Sarah Atkinson, head, wid, 56, House Maid
Absalom, son, wid, 31, Worsted Power Loom Weaver
Jonathan, son, unm, 28, ditto
Sarah A, dau, unm, 17, Worsted Hand Loom Weaver
Emma, dau, 10, scholar
Emma, dau law, 3
All born Thornton.
I'm guessing Emma jr should be granddaughter. In 1871 she's described as Sally's lodger.
and Jonas, possibly:
1861
RG9/3337 20 2
Thornton, Yorkshire
Hill End
Jonas Atkinson, head, 24, Cotton Weaver
Martha, wife, 25, Worsted Weaver
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Thanks for the lookup Tati. Does it look like my family - yes and no!! Some of the dates fit, but some names don't, so now I am pretty confused.
The full details for my family are:
John ATKINSON m Hannah FOSTER on 1st March 1813 Bradford. Per marriage in register. Parents names confirmed by sons death certificate.
Their children (as per family letters/information):
Sarah Ann ATKINSON b.23.8.1813, d.13.9.1878 m Joseph PEARSON
Joseph ATKINSON b.c. 1821 (immigrated to Australia. In India in Army at time of 1841, and probably 1851 censes, out here by 1861)
Mary ATKINSON b.c.1828 possibly married James PEARSON
Jonas ATKINSON b.c.1837 married 1st Martha ROBINSON 2nd. Mary CATHERALL
Emma ATKINSON b.c.1851
My Joseph was said to have had a daughter by a maid whom he refused to marry. He was sent to Australia and the child said to have been reared by his sister Mary PEARSON. This seems to be confirmed by the 1881 census, but with the information you have sent me the parents seem to be wrong. William ATKINSON would be born about 1811.
Only thing I can think of is John and Hannah ATKINSON were parents of:
William b.1811 (Mary b.1828, Jonas b.1837, and Emma b.1851 were his children?)
Sarah Ann b.1813
Joseph b.1817 (when he left for Australia, the child Emma was placed with his brother William, later living with cousin Mary Pearson).
I wonder if you can see John and Hannah ATKINSON anywhere near Denholme in any of the censes??
Many thanks, Katharine.
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Forgot to ask if you could give me the details for the house of Sally and Emma in 1871. Many thanks. Katharine.
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Hmm. Yes these might be the grandchildren instead of the children. Surely Emma was born a little too late for a lady who married in 1813.
There's one John/Hannah couple old enough (just?) that I can see in Thornton but they have children that you hadn't mentioned ...
Bearing in mind that Atkinson isn't exactly a rare name, I'm posting them without any certainty
1841
HO107/1297/7 19 2
Thornton, Yorkshire
County Bridg
John Atkinson, 45, Worsted Weaver
Hannah, 45, Weaver
Ackroyd, 23, Weaver
Thomas, 21, Weaver
Isaac, 20, Weaver
Marey, 15
Jonathan, 12
Ellen, 9
All born in county.
A quick look at the IGI shows that the children seen on this census were christened in the same church (Zion Methodist New Connexion, Ovenden) as the children of William and Sarah/Sally, but it doesn't list the children that you actually know about :-\
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1871
RG10/4490 37 11
Thornton, Yorkshire
Denholme Clough
Sally Atkinson, head, wid, 64, Nurse
Emma, dau, unm, 20, Spinner
Emma, boarder, 13, Spinner
All born Thornton
Mary Pearson is living next door and Jonas one household further.
PS. Are you sure Emma 1858 belongs to Joseph? Her name wouldn't be Atkinson, would it? Just wondering because you don't often see children of unmarried couples staying with the father. Also Absalom being widowed, my first thought was that she might be his daughter.
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thanks for that Tati.
I am still confused though!!! John and Hannah are of the right age to have been the parents of my Joseph, but the other names are not as convincing.
Joseph married in Australia and had the following children:
William John 1862
John 1865
Pearson 1869
Mary E. 1871
Susannah 1873
Jonas 1877
He didn't marry until 1868, after the first few children, so it is suspected that one of the parents might not have been able to marry until then. It is likely that Joseph might have married in Yorkshire, had Emma and abandoned his wife, or become widowed.
I wonder if you can see a John or Hannah ATKINSON as a widower in the 1841 census? It is possible there might have been two couples of the same name in the area.
katharine.
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This one looks very interesting - address Denholme House! - although none of the children's names match your initial request. What do you think?
1841
HO107/1297/7 28 1
Thornton, Yorkshire
Denholme House
John Atkinson, 50, Farmer
Susey, 20, Dressmaker
Elizabeth, 7
William, 5
Allis, 3
All born in county
1851
HO107/2311 258 1
Thornton, Yorkshire
Denholme House
John Atkinson, head, mar, 65, Farmer (50 acres), b. Thornton
Elizabeth, dau, unm, 17, Power Weaver (Worsted), b. do.
William, son, 15, Farmer's son, b. do.
Alice, dau, 13, Farmer's dau, b. do.
Betty Potterton, aunt, wid, 78, Housekeeper, b. do.
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Hi again Tati. Thanks so much for your help. Isn't that amazing - That would be my Joseph's father, and some siblings. I know for sure they were living at Denholme House from some letters that were sent to Joseph here in Australia by his family in Denholme about 1848. I am sure that the other ones you have sent me are closely related aswell. Perhaps the details we had originally were slightly mixed up!
Now I have a bit more to go on. The 1851 census does indicate that John was married rather than widower. So I wonder where his wife was?
Are you able to do another lookup for me, and tell me if the ATKINSONs were still living in Denholme House in the 1861 or any later censes??
Many thanks, Katharine.
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I can't see them in 1861 and there are several possible death registrations for John between 1851 and 1861.
Not sure where John's wife is hiding either - I'm expecting her name to be Sarah. Unfortunately the number of Sarah Atkinsons in Yorkshire is frightening!
Thornton by Bradford 1813-1837 christenings are on the IGI - batch C108151.
The younger children Elizabeth and William appear to have been christened to parents John and Sarah.
What worries me is that there aren't any christenings to John and Hannah. There's a Joseph in 1821 but his parents are John and Mary - oh dear :P
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Bit of a mystery isn't it.....
As I say, I had John Atkinson and Hannah Foster from Joesph's death certificate here in NSW. I found them marrying on the IGI in 1813. I then got a copy of the marriage from the library in Bradford. Unfortunately there were no parents names for the couple, and they were just down as the parish of Bradford.
I presume that if the information is correct then I might find that this is John and his first wife. Parents perhaps to Sarah Atkinson b. 1813, and my Joseph b.c.1821. Maybe he remarried to a Sarah sometime after 1821. Who knows??? It seems they are all related, but the relationships are confused.
Many thanks for you help. I think I will contact the library again to see if they can look up a few baptism perhaps. Katharine.
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Just wondering if finding Betty Potterton (the aunt) in the 1841 census might help me? Katharine.
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Not really, I'm afraid ...
I hope this is her - Ovenden isn't far from Thornton, is it?
1841
HO107/1302/1 31 13
Ovenden, Yorkshire
Harper Farm
Betty Potterton, 65, Worsted Winder, born in county
Hannah Spence, 80, Ind, born in county
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no it didn't....thanks anyway for all your help.
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New information has come to light in regard to my ancestor Joesph Atkinson who came out to Australia from Denholme, Yorkshire. His niece put an ad in a Sydney Newspaper indicating they had lost touch. Her name was Harriet Smithies.
I think she was living with another Atkinson relation in the 1881 census, but am hoping someone might be able to search for her in the 1861 & 1871 censes.
Her parents might have been William Smithies and Sarah. Other siblings might include Charlotte and Mary Jane.
Any help please??
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The Harriet Smithies age 26 in 1881, housekeeper to a William H Atkinson, did indeed have the parents you mention (both born Horton).
I'm not sure where this is leading us - do you have any evidence that this is your Harriet? I can't see a Sarah Atkinson - William Smithies marriage to support the theory that she's Joseph's niece.
When was the ad published and does it give an address for Harriet? :)
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My ad from the Sydney Morning Herald 29th Nov 1884 reads:
"Should this meet the eye of Mr. Joseph Atkinson, of Denholme House Farm, near Bradford, Yorkshire, his niece, Harriet Smithies, would like his present address.
H.Forrest, London St., Enmore Rd."
I suppose H. Forrest is the agent in Australia or England who placed the ad on her behalf. This ad was definately intended for My Joseph. I don't have any information on Harriet other than this ad. Just did an IGI search and 1881 census. No, I am not 100% she is my Harriet, but living with another Atkinson strengthens the odds.
Just thought it might be good to find the same Harriet in 1861 and 1871 to see if she is living with any other Atkinsons.
Katharine.
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No immediate clue unfortunately :-\
1871
RG10/4470 46 8
Horton, Yorkshire
24 Sellers Fold
Charlotte Smithies, head, unm, 21, Spinner (Mill Hand), b. Yorks Horton Bradford
Harriet, sister, 16, Weaver Worsted, b. do.
Ady Proctor, boarder, 18, Spinner Mill Hand, b. do.
1861
RG9/3332 54 24
Horton, Yorkshire
18 Sellers Fold
William Smithies, head, 38, Slater
Sarah, wife, 37
Charlotte, dau, 13, scholar
Harriet, dau, 6, scholar
Amos, son, 4, scholar
Hannah, dau, 1
All born Gr Horton
No Atkinsons enumerated with the Smithies in 1851 either.
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Thanks for that Tati. Can you see if you can find the wife Sarah Smithies in the 1871 census. I think I have found her in the 1881 census living in Denholme with a daughter Elizabeth, but perhaps she was there earlier than that.....
As for marriages the marriage to Smithies could have been a second marriage maybe.
Thanks, Katharine.
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If only we had any evidence that Joseph had a sister Sarah in the first place :-\
I don't think the Sarah Smithies with daughter Elizabeth is the same woman - she's in Bingley in 1861 with a husband called Bates Smithies.
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No, doesn't sound like same Sarah does it.
Well, again I have a mystery with my Atkinson lot. Harriet Smithies will turn up somewhere down the track.
I wonder if you can see William H Atkinson in the 1871 and 1861 censes? In 1881 he is listed as unmarried age 35, born Bradford, Laborer, at 6 Guy St, Bradford.
A Harriet Smithies age 26 is living with him as a housekeeper, and her birthplace is given as Horton.
Thanks for your help again.
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Hi Tati. Wondering if you, or anyone else reading this message, could look up the following for me:
Joseph Pearson and his wife Sarah (nee Atkinson) who were married in 1836. They should be in Denholme or Wilsden perhaps in the 1841 and 1851 censes.
Many thanks. Katharine.
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few bits and bobs
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3zbmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA377&dq=immanuel+height+denholme&hl=en&ei=SRpWTajUMoPAhAfZ6oGdDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
page 377 ... Find 'Imannuels Height' on this page 377
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St Paul Denholme
John Atkinsons actual burial Register say sect 'P' Grave 31 Abode Imanuel Height. 22-07-1856 age 69 Denholme
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Could Mrs Hannah Atkinson John's first wife be buried in Haworth Church yard
Baptism Haworth
Jonas Atkinson bapt 8-09-1836
Also Emma Atkinson Bapt 15-11-1833 (This could be a later infant death and the later child born 1851 was called
Emma
These above are the only two Bapts for a John and Sarah (Lunn)
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Hi. Thanks for the link about 'Immanuels Height'. I have been studying the maps of Denholme, and things are starting to make a bit of sense for me now.
John's daughter from the first marriage was married to Joseph PEARSON, and they ran 'NEW INN' at Denholme Lane, but when I located it on the map it is very close to Manywells (which seems to be just on the hill past Denholme, consisting of West Manywells, East Manywells, and Manywells Brow, and Manywell Heights, just to confuse things!!). Maybe that is why he ended up moving from the other side of Denholme to the northside.
Thanks for the correction from the burial register. I am quite sure Hannah wouldn't be buried in St.Pauls as it was built in 1847. So it is anyones guess where she is buried.
I don't see why she WOULDN'T be buried in Haworth. What makes you think she COULD be in Haworth?
As for the baptism's, I am now a bit confused...
Do the entries say they are children of John ATKINSON and Sarah LUNN?
And if so were there any burials to match?
Thanks, Katharine.
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Hi. Thanks for the link about 'Immanuels Height'. I have been studying the maps of Denholme, and things are starting to make a bit of sense for me now.
John's daughter from the first marriage was married to Joseph PEARSON, and they ran 'NEW INN' at Denholme Lane, but when I located it on the map it is very close to Manywells (which seems to be just on the hill past Denholme, consisting of West Manywells, East Manywells, and Manywells Brow, and Manywell Heights, just to confuse things!!). Maybe that is why he ended up moving from the other side of Denholme to the northside.
Thanks for the correction from the burial register. I am quite sure Hannah wouldn't be buried in St.Pauls as it was built in 1847. So it is anyones guess where she is buried.
I don't see why she WOULDN'T be buried in Haworth. What makes you think she COULD be in Haworth?
As for the baptism's, I am now a bit confused...
Do the entries say they are children of John ATKINSON and Sarah LUNN?
And if so were there any burials to match?
Thanks, Katharine.
Hi Katharine
These are the MI's for Haworth but no Atkinson's but could be useful later as other marriage surnames
John died not have a MI but Hannah buried in Haworth in a unmarked grave and in the church register for buriel with date
http://www.simplesite.com/Keighleyhistory/2944515
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So you have found a burial for a Hannah ATKINSON in Haworth, in an unmarked grave, presumably from a Haworth burial register. Does it give a date of death, husband, residence, or any other info in the register?
Were those children from the same register - and did it have them as children of John Atkinson and Sarah Lunn I am wondering.
Thanks for the link - I saw you posted it, and already checked it out. Lots on there!
Katharine.
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Hi
The baptism of Jonas Atkinson 8 th Sept 1836 is a near match for your Jonas 1837 in the census His father John mother Sarah but I put Lunn in bracket as John being married twice meaning it is the 2nd wife of john. It is early days yet as these bapts are from IGI BMD's and but Haworth register now need checking for Atkinson entries. On assumption from location of Immanuel's Height! and nearby Church and Chapels of possible Atkinson's BMDs before St Paul Denholme 1846 Haworth register and Keighley GRO is well in your ball game.
To Census and Pre 1837 info standards of accuracy and lack of other Jonas's bapt 1837 (Census age) and close proximity to Haworth/Denholme/Wisden out borders this could well be your Jonas.
Emma 1833 baptism the only other of a John and Sarah Atkinson in IGI as yet no death/burial of her as infant death is yet a mystery
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So you have found a burial for a Hannah ATKINSON in Haworth, in an unmarked grave, presumably from a Haworth burial register. Does it give a date of death, husband, residence, or any other info in the register?
Were those children from the same register - and did it have them as children of John Atkinson and Sarah Lunn I am wondering.
Thanks for the link - I saw you posted it, and already checked it out. Lots on there!
Katharine.
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Sorry It 7 am here and Just got up for a coffee!
No I have not found a buriel record of Hannah but was meaning there could be one in Haworth burial register being near now found Imanuels Height location.
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Now, I am following....
John would have still been living on the south side of Denholme (in Denholme House) at the time his first wife would have died. So I would think she could be somewhere in Thornton, or even Ovenden, or somewhere south maybe.
As far as I can ascertain now, John had only the seven children:
Sarah, Mary, Joseph, Susey, then Elizabeth, William, and Alice.
Where the Jonas and Emma came into the picture was a confusion on the part of a relative here. During the first world war one of Joseph's grandsons visited Denholme and met with some family. The details he was given were vague, but I think it was a meld of information regarding our John of Denholme House, and the other family from the census (as per the first page of this thread) where there are two Emma's and a Jonas. Haven't confirmed anything, but I think this family might have been cousins. All a bit confusing really.
Katharine.
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Honing down places where John lived and places he worshiped and continuing years of where any siblings or where they baptised them will show a picture, by noting all baptisms of siblings and burials of known events can rule out certain John
and Hannah's. Ie John and Hannah sibling baptisms at Mount zion chapel Ovenden have one baptised 1833 after your John's marriage to Sarah!
thus this rules or eliminates that John and Hannah of Mount Zion.
I'll take alook at Haworth registers at our local library as what I'm looking for is a entry of a baptism that is hard to read that could be Joseph bapt 1817-to 1822 also any non conformists chapel in Haworth.
last tip
Search around in Google books using anything in its search engine that comes to mind
for now
regards
Dave
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Yes agree with your methodology!
I had already counted out the Mount Zion lot - I think this is the other John and Hannah who lived nearby to my John. I think somewhere along the way, the could be cousins though.
I have made contact with someone who I think could be related through the son William. I found them through LDS and the internet. Am waiting for them to look at what I have and get back to me on it.
Anything you find is greatly appreciated Dave.
I do use google books, although haven't found too much for John. I did find him on the poll book for 1847 though.
Katharine.
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PS. I checked all Thornton registers at Bradford Library being Anglican parish church and nonconformist chapels and Denholme also Wilsden for Joseph hoping to find anything of an unsual faded or near unreadable enteries also a John and Hannah or John and Sarah run of sibling over a number of years or even just signal odd entries if they moved abodes/about but found nothing other than IGI known events, this is why I'm thinking Haworth or Keighley.
Many false leads :( to one finds the right one. :D
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What I have so far is: first child baptised as Sarah ADKINSON at Kipping I N C at Thornton in 1813 to John and Hannah.
Nothing for Mary, Joseph, and Susey.
Then the children of John ATKINSON and Sarah at Thornton from the IGI:
Elizabeth on 28 Dec 1835
William 13 Dec 1835
although I haven't confirmed those two.
Then Alice on 10 Apr 1842 at Old Bell Chapel, Thornton, daughter of John and Sarah Atkinson, farmer, Denholme.
Alice was born a few years before, but it does sound like the right baptism to me. Perhaps there was something that delayed her baptism.
Katharine.
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methodology ?
'Ee! Bar't gum! lass- us Yorkie 'Hill billies' ney yon'd! use posh words! as thi lar'ks as thart! thar noose" Wi say'rs as it is! lass. ;D
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What I have so far is: first child baptised as Sarah ADKINSON at Kipping I N C at Thornton in 1813 to John and Hannah.
Nothing for Mary, Joseph, and Susey.
Then the children of John ATKINSON and Sarah at Thornton from the IGI:
Elizabeth on 28 Dec 1835
William 13 Dec 1835
although I haven't confirmed those two.
Then Alice on 10 Apr 1842 at Old Bell Chapel, Thornton, daughter of John and Sarah Atkinson, farmer, Denholme.
Alice was born a few years before, but it does sound like the right baptism to me. Perhaps there was something that delayed her baptism.
Katharine.
Sorry too say!
I don't like having to say or advise people to buy a certificate of BMD's as cost incured >:( but only buying Alice's Birth cert to see if her mothers maiden name was Sarah Lunn will prove/disprove that issue of doubt? or belief- Katharine
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Confirmation from the latest set of gro Bdm indexes that the mother of Alice was Sarah Lund.