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John Lindsay lived at Lindville (now a listed building in the Ballintemple area), Cork and died in 1802. I think I now have all the IGI info and ANF numbers for relevant Lindsays, Ormsbys and Wileys (who may be my family)
but wonder if anyone could provide further info re John Lindsay eg. birth, marriage, spouse - IGI shows the spouse as a Frances Johnston.
My interest is the possible line from Mellon, Wiley, Ormsby, Lindsay. My ancestor Matilda Wylie is possibly in this line. I think her grandmother may be Margaret Matilda Lindsay, a daughter of John and who married Charles Ormsby in 1799 at Christchurch, Cork.
Any help in this would be appreciate. Thank you.
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I am descended from HENRY LINDSEY (SAY)?) of PEAKE. My 2xgt gm was Alicia Lindsey married to Thomas Radley Esq, of Rockville, Cork. I have a chart listing all the Lindsey siblings descended from William Crooke of Dereen. Will look up same.
Lorraine See my website, just google ....Radleys of Cork
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Thanks so much. Will take a look.
June
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It is likely John Lindsey of Lindville, Maryville. and Janeville was brother of Henry Lindsey of Peake. In Cork Encumbered Estate Vol 7 and 8 JOHN LINDSEY is owner of Lindville etc exparte Joseph Woodley. The daughter of Henry...Mary Lindsey, married Joseph.Woodley. Lindseys are my cousins. My gt gt gm was Alicia Lindsey, sister to Mary Lindsey. The Lindville people would be my cousins.
Lorraine
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Thanks again Lorraine. That's very useful. I'll piece this info together with all the other I have about the Lindsays to see if I do have a connection. I think I need to find what happened to Maggie Matilda Lindsay (daughter of John) and Charles Ormsby who married in 1799 at Christchurch in Cork. I understand I could get records from St Finbarre's.
Rootschat folk are so willing to help - It's really nice and encouraging when you're plodding away at the search. I'll get back to you in due course if I find I'm related to Lindsays.
My parents were both born Scotland, aslo my brother and I. The Granparents were married and also lived in Scotland. It took me 4 years to find my GF was born in Ireland and his father. More recently discovered another branch of the family (paternal GM) from Donegal. It's been a surprise (brilliant) to find these Irish roots and have loved the visits to Dublin, Belfast, Cork and Maghera and plan more!
June
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Hi June,
I have a list of baptisms from a book of the register of St. Finbarrs Cathedral.
There are 8 baptisms for children of John Lindsay and Frances.
I don't know if there was only one person John Lindsay -
The first one is for
Jno. 7 July 1767 son of Jno Lindsay of Templeton Esq and his lady Frances
There is one listed for Margaret Matilda daughter of Mr. Jno. Lindsay and Frances - Baptism on 29 April 1779 - which would tie in with your Margaret Matilda.
The others listed are Noblet Johnson 21 sept 1768
Marg. 21 Jan 1771
Cath 17 April 1772
Harriot 31 May 1772
Joseph 6 June 1774
Francis (son of) 22 July 1776
There is a marriage for Arthur Chute & Tras ( which I think should be Fras) Lindsay on 26 Aug 1797. if you google Jonathan Lindsay Cork the second item is ancestry.com with details of Chute family. If you click on Frances you get information with portraits of Arthur Chute and Frances Lindsay Chute. It says Frances was born 1776 daughter of John Lindsay. If you note the above list does not have any "Female Frances" . You might have seen this already.
There are two other marriages with Lindsay connections - Elizabeth Lindsay and Francis Curtis 28 June 1757and Patrick Lindsay & Ellinor Galway 25 Oct 1758. No addresses listed.
I don't have anything after 1804.
There is a listing for a marriage of George Ormsby Capt. Royal Artillery and Grace Roch Licence 13 Jan 1803
A Marriage for Robert Ormesby (spelling with E) & Francis (male spelling) Symons 27 April,1797
There is a burial for Francis Woodley 16 Mar 1798 which might interest Lorc who replied to you.
Hope there is some helpful snippet there somewhere.
Mary
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Hi Mary/Celtic Liberty Francis Woodley is a cousin. Linked to other cousins Lindseys of Peake. My 2xgt gm was Alicia daughter of Henry Lindsey of Peake. Thanks. Francis Woodley's house photo is on my website."LEEDES"
LORC/LORRAINE
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Hello Mary,
Thank you very much for Lindsay info. It's wonderful as it confirms Francis as John Lindsays spouse and DofB of Margaret Matilda. I made a written copy of a Francis Lindsay's will from a book in Dublin library on one visit which seemed to be the same family but had no info re marriage to John. Sadly I havent' been able to confirm parentage of my Matilda Wiley (b abt 1830 and married to Robert Mellon 12 Dec 1854 in Killelagh, Londonderry) She is my 2nd great grandmother. So I may not have a Lindsay connection after all - very sad! Especially as I purchased a rare book of another family member (also John Lindsay) who was a well-known numismatist (coins) in 19th century. I have not totally given up though!!
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Hi June,
Don't know if I have helped or confused you more. The dates I gave are actually the baptismal dates and not the birth dates.
Good luck with the search anyway.
For Lorraine,
Is that photo on the "Radleys of Cork" site and in what section please? I would love to see it.
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Mary Leads House is on that site you mentioned. On page that says Radleys 1590/1900. First house pic. Belonged to Frrancis Woodley who married into Lindseys. There is a book that can be purchased , I think, FAMINE IN MUSKERRY which has a lot of information on the anglo/Irish in that area. Lorraine
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Thanks for that had a look - nice house.
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To Mary (Celtic Liberty)
Thank you so much for posting the baptisms of John Lindsay & Frances Johnson at St Finbarr, Cork.
Their son Francis bap 1776 is my ancestor. I've only just discovered this - thanks to you - and thanks to the clues Francis provided (he named one son, Noble Johnson Weatherall Lindsay, and then this son Noble wrote in the family bible that his father Francis was from Cork). Francis was in Somerset by 1828 and his son Noble was in Australia by 1849.
You mention a book of St Finbarr. Is this something I could purchase? I've now found quite a bit on the Lindsay, Johnson & Wetherall families of Cork - mostly from the vols of O'Kief, Coshe Mang, etc, (newspapers and Cork Council Books) but would love to cross check with whatever might be available in parish registers.
Many thanks, Fran
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Hi Fran,
Glad to be able to help.
I found a marriage for what I think is your John Lindsay and Miss Frances Johnson details from Cork Evening Post 28 Jan 1760
( from Rosemary Ffolliot's index - Cork City Library) ---
CEP M 28 Jan 1760 Thursday last was married at Rathcooney Church John Lindsay of Glinfield in the co of Tipperary Esq. to Miss Johnson, dau of Mr. Noblet Johnson, late of this city....... £4,000
another one of interest to you is --
HC ( Hibernian Chronicle) M 30 Sept 1799 Charles Ormsby of the city of Dublin Esq. to Miss Margaret Matilda Lindsay dau of
John Lindsay of Lindville Esq.
a third one ---
HC M 4th Sept 1797 last Tuesday at St. Finbarr's Arthur Chute Esq. of the co of Kerry to Miss Lindsay dau of John Lindsay of
Lindville Esq. £2.500 ( MLB Frances Lindsay)
CMC (Cork Mercantile Chronicle) W 18th Oct 1809 on the 3rd inst at Bath, William Piersy Esq. to Miss Lindsay dau of the late John Lindsay of Lindville. ( an interesting one which you might not have)
You asked about the record book from St. Finbarres. It is called Register of the Cathedral of St. Finbarre. Cork 1753-1804 by
Alicia St. Leger. It is available to purchase from the Church of Ireland Representative Church Body, Dublin
web site www.ireland.anglican.org or the page relevant to actually ordering one http://ireland.anglican.org/about/43
The Lindsays lived in Blackrock Cork at three large adjoining estates, named Lindville, Maryville and Janeville. I actually had one of their ancestors visit Cork earlier this year and we covered a lot of ground!!! Visiting lots of cemeteries where I had found headstones, and large old houses in Peake, Aghabullogue and Coachford. We even got a guided tour of one of them by a
very nice lady which was a great thrill for the ancestors!
Good luck with search, hope the above helps
mary
Celtic Liberty
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Hi Mary
Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly!
I will send for the book - many thanks. I googled the title and there's a copy in the Genealogy Library in Sydney, but I think I'd still like to have a copy to keep.
And thanks for the additional marriage details. I'm slowly piecing the families together. And I've been looking at modern maps of Blackrock and can find streetnames Lindville & Maryville. Great to see where their homes would have been.
Were the headstones you found of Lindsay's? I believe there is a memorial to John Lindsay 1789-1870 in the Cathedral (he was the author of several books on coins). If I'm correct, he's a grandson of John Lindsay & Frances Johnson.
It's wonderful what can be found - Francis had been a brick wall for many years.
Thanks again, Fran
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Sorry Mary, just realised my mistake with the memorial to John Lindsay d1870 - it's at St Michael's Blackrock (not the Cathedral).
Cheers, Fran
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I have a memorial for John Lindsay at Blackrock but it says of
Maryville, Blackrock died April 5 1867 or 1887 aged 75 also his wife Anne and sons and there are five other Lindsay names at the end of the monument.
File won't attach too large so if you want to send me a PM ( private message with your email address I can send it to you)
Mary
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Sorry Mary, just realised my mistake with the memorial to John Lindsay d1870 - it's at St Michael's Blackrock (not the Cathedral).
Cheers, Fran
I believe you might belong to my family ..Henry Lindsey of Peake . His dtr(Alice md my 2 gt gfr Thomas Radley of Rockville. See my website www.radleysofcork.bigpondhosting.com. The people Mary took around Cork were my present day cousins.
Lorc
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Hi Lorc
I've been pondering if there is a connection with the Lindsay's of Blackrock and Henry Lindsay of Peake. They are all very new to me and it's taking me some time to sort through newspapers etc to work out the relationships.
I had a look at your Radley's website. Many thanks, you have a lot of great info there & photos.
So far I think I have my line back to John Lindsay born abt 1740 & died 1801 (HC 3 Dec 1801 - John Lindsay esq of Lindville, Burgess, in Bristol). He married Frances Johnson in 1760. Their son John Lindsay jnr bap 1767 (a barrister), married in 1801 to Jane Woodley (parents not known to me). I think it likely that the Lindsay residence 'Janeville' was named after Jane Woodley.
I see from your website that Mary Lindsay, dau of Henry Lindsay of Peake, married Anthony Woodley of Myshell in 1805; and that you have this Lindsay line back to Thomas Lindsay of Macroom who married Mary Browne in 1746.
John Lindsay jnr & Jane Woodley had at least 2 sons - Joseph Woodley Lindsay (1804-1888) & Francis Woodley Lindsay (abt 1811-1872). Encumbered estates Vol 7: John Lindsay, owner/Joseph Woodley Lindsay, petitioner - Lindville, Janeville, Maryville and property on the Wellington Rd.
I'd be interested in exploring this some more.
Cheers, Fran
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Hi Lorc
I've been pondering if there is a connection with the Lindsay's of Blackrock and Henry Lindsay of Peake. They are all very new to me and it's taking me some time to sort through newspapers etc to work out the relationships.
I had a look at your Radley's website. Many thanks, you have a lot of great info there & photos.
So far I think I have my line back to John Lindsay born abt 1740 & died 1801 (HC 3 Dec 1801 - John Lindsay esq of Lindville, Burgess, in Bristol). He married Frances Johnson in 1760. Their son John Lindsay jnr bap 1767 (a barrister), married in 1801 to Jane Woodley (parents not known to me). I think it likely that the Lindsay residence 'Janeville' was named after Jane Woodley.
I think you will find that LindsEy, Radley, Woodley are all cousins or related by marriage. Henry Lindsey was born within 2 years of John Lindsey, therefore most likely brothers.
Lorraine
I see from your website that Mary Lindsay, dau of Henry Lindsay of Peake, married Anthony Woodley of Myshell in 1805; and that you have this Lindsay line back to Thomas Lindsay of Macroom who married Mary Browne in 1746.
John Lindsay jnr & Jane Woodley had at least 2 sons - Joseph Woodley Lindsay (1804-1888) & Francis Woodley Lindsay (abt 1811-1872). Encumbered estates Vol 7: John Lindsay, owner/Joseph Woodley Lindsay, petitioner - Lindville, Janeville, Maryville and property on the Wellington Rd.
I'd be interested in exploring this some more.
Cheers, Fran
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I thin k you will find that LindsEy, Radley, Woodley are all cousins or related by marriage. Henry and John are separated by two years and most likely brothers.
Lorraine
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I have a memorial for John Lindsay at Blackrock but it says of
Maryville, Blackrock died April 5 1867 or 1887 aged 75 also his wife Anne and sons and there are five other Lindsay names at the end of the monument.
File won't attach too large so if you want to send me a PM ( private message with your email address I can send it to you)
Mary
Thank you so much Mary for all your help, and the info & great photos. Wonderful to have. My Lindsay research has gone ahead leaps and bounds. Thank you so much.
Cheers, Fran
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You are welcome, as I said if I find anything relevant to your search I will send it on to
you. My friend in UK Lorc's cousin will be in touch with you shortly.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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The main burial ground for the Lindsay's appears to be a large vault in Moviddy church (Crookstown). I note the following from two grave markers above the vault. "This is the burial place of The Lindsay Family. Here also lies the body of John Lindsay who departed this life ........1782 aged 29." (looks like 29 but the two could possibly be something else) and next to it is the following grave marker. "Here lies the body of Mrs Alias (as spelt) Lindsay wife of Mr Henry Lindsay of Peake who departed this life 17th August 1801 aged 40. She had issue...............a daughter"..........rest is buried. These Lindsay's connected to my Bradfield/Good family.
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Hi Barry,
I visited St.Helens, Moviddy last year with a lady from England who was a direct descendant of the Lindsays from Peake Coachford. She brought flowers to the graves and we did manage to decipher the end of the headstone. I can't put my hand on it just now.
In the Cork and Ross marriage licence bonds index for Lindsay. There is a James Good who married Mary Lindsey in 1774. I wonder if this Mary could be a daughter of Thomas Lindsey who married Mary Browne in 1746. There was an Ann Lindsay married to a "Good". From my recollections I think they lived at Ardnaneen ( which is quite near Macroom).
The Lindsay families from Cork City, ( Lindville, Maryville and Janeville in Blackrock Cork City) and also from South Terrace Cork are buried at St Finbarrs Cathedral Cork. More of these Lindsays are buried at St. Michaels Church & Cemetery Blackrock. Some more are buried at Magourney , Coachford.
I have headstone photos for most of these burials if you need any let me know.
We have been in touch before by email, as Ginni Swanton gave me your contact details re my Bradfields of Tullyglass.
Generally we don't use our own names on this site just user names.
If you are looking for something specific I may be able to help you.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Barry Bradfield Henry Lindsey and Alice Crooke are my 3x great grandparents. See Radleys of Cork. Lorraine
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It is James Good / Mary Lindsay I am Interested in. Their son James Good (b1779) married Ann Bradfield. The following come from Macroom Church records. I have most of the Bradfields sorted out now if you need anything further.
15th September 1784. Ann the daughter of James Good of Kilmichael at Mr Linseys, Magourney. (Coachford)
20th October 1787. Elizabeth the daughter of William Good.
31st May 1789. Mary the daughter of William & Elizabeth Good of Mashanaglass in the parish of Aghinagh.
William Good married Elizabeth Unkles in 1775 (MLB)
25th October 1795. Private. Elizabeth the daughter of Henry Smith of Carbery and Hannah his wife otherwise Good of Mashanaglass in the parish of Aghinagh.
Henry Smith married a Mary Good in 1794. This looks like him. Mary Rebecca Good?
11th May 1821. James son of James Good of Ummera in the parish of Aghinagh and Ann his wife.
20th January 1825. Sarah of James and Ann Good, Macroom.
James married Ann Bradfield in 1816. MLB
James Good of Ummera, Macroom died July 18th, buried July 20th 1862, aged 83 years.
Ann Good Shannaglass, Macroom died June 26th 1862 aged 78 years.
James Good (1779-1862) and Ann Bradfield (1784-1862).
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Thanks for that Lorraine. I have not done a lot on the Lindsays other than finding their graves in line / adjoining the Goods graves in Moviddy (Crookstown).
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Additional grave information from Moviddy. A box grave enclosed by an iron railing over a very large and deep tomb.
"The Cemetry
of
Thomas Henry Lindsey
of Peake
Henry John Lindsey
of Myshells
William Crook Lindsey
of Coolclough
Erected the 17th day of
Dec AD 1832."
This is a little distance away from the other Lindsay graves in Moviddy. I can supply a photograph if any one is interested
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I would love to have a photo of my 3x gt gfr's grave (Henry Lindsey)
Lorraine
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e-mail me at barrybradfield@eircom.net and I will then forward it to you. Lorraine
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Hi Barry,
I am researching my family tree through my paternal grandfather, Thomas Herbert Moore, whose family when he was young, was from Castletown (Enniskeane) (Dunmanway, Cork), Church of Ireland. His mother was Mary Esther "Minnie" Moore, and in turn Mary's parents were William Harold (also sp. Harrold) and Rebecca Good. I am trying to find out more about Rebecca Good and her family tree. The only information besides the birth of her children in Knockshanawee (Aglish, County Cork) with William is a marriage record from 1854 which I believe pertains to her marriage in 1854 to William Harrold, showing that the event took place in Ahinagh, Cork, and that her father's name was James Good, and her spouse William's father is listed as Charles. I also found her on the 1901 Census and her death record which puts her birth range from ~1828-1831. Also her husband's death record and his age derived from it, birth around 1835.
I found the Macroom Parish (COI with some Catholic) register records that you referred to, mentioning the births of children of James and Ann Good, Hannah, James and Sarah but no births recorded after that point. I do see that there seem to be problems with the Parish register, especially after the death of the Rector, Simon Davies, who was buried March 23, 1830, the quality of the records (especially apparent with the burial records which are one to two sentence descriptions but then decline to just the name of the person), gaps in the register, loose pages, etc. This is reflected by his death, and church personnel issues -what appears to be an interim fill-in by his son or other close relative, Curate Richard Davies, and then an appointment of another Rector, J.M. Hallaran, in 1834. This might have unfortunately caused church events, such as births (Rebecca's) marriages and burial not to all be recorded.
This is dismaying for me because I was hoping to conclusively link Rebecca to James Good by seeing a record of her baptism. However, I am also wondering, since there seems to be no records for Ann and James Good (from Ahinagh) in the Macroom Register after the birth of their daughter Sarah in 1825, that it there a possibility that the family changed parishes, moved and changed Parishes or some other scenario? I see in the Tithe Applotments from that time period that lands were held for both William and James Good in Mashaneglass (Well Farm) and Ummery which appear to be bordering townlands within the area of Macroom/Ahinagh.
Also, I was wondering if you could share where (location and church) James Good and Anne Bradfield were married, and the religion of each, and how you obtained those records? Also their respective birth and death records. You seem very knowledgeable and I was hoping you could help me with my searches.
I appreciate any insight, advice or information you could provide. Look forward to hearing from you.
Caroline NJ
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Hi Barry,
I have a Peter Good b. 1811, Macroom. Married Alice Good and immigrated to Tasmania in 1838. There is a possibility that his parents were William & Rebecca Good of Ahinagh.
Peter had the following brothers and sisters (confirmed); Samuel (1824-1858), school master at Pembrokeshire; Francis (1802-1861), Governor Smithfield Prison; Catherine (Kate) (1830-1907) governess, unmarried; Rebecca (1817), unknown and possibly James b. 1816 who also immigrated to Tasmania but I not sure if he is related to Peter or Alice.
They were all educated and William (their father) may have been a Customs Officer/Clerk.
James Good m. Mary Anne Saunders and their 4 children were born in Ireland - Susannah 1842, Matilda 1850, Rebecca Banfield 1851 & Samuel Saunders in 1854.
Peter Good's children were William b. 1834 and Mary 1837 in Ireland; and then John, Catherine, Alice, Samuel, Peter & Rachael in Tasmania.
Do any of these names ring any bells with you?
Also, I have another mystery man - John Whelply Lindsay born c. 1804 who married Anne Splaine (dau of Richard esq) at Templemartin, Bandon in 1835. He went on to become Rev. J W Lindsay and ended up in Tasmania. I had always wondered if the Linsday/Splaine family had known the Good family prior to Tasmania.
Samuel Good , son of Peter married Eliza Lindsay, dau of JW in 1870.
They were my 2x great grand parents.
Regards, Maree
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I am interested in the Maryville, Blackrock mentioned here. Does it refer to Blackrock in Cork or in Dublin? I am looking for the dates that Euphemia Ferrier lived in Maryville, Blackrock, Co. Dublin. Thanks