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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: csjjpm on Thursday 26 November 09 20:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone,
One of my family trees is the Gofton family in Northumberland.
My great grandfather Thomas Dutton Gofton was born 1884 in Tynemouth. I have him on a census in 1911 living with Thomas Thompson Gofton as a lodger in Liverpool but I think they were related, either uncle or cousin.
Thomas Thompson Gofton (1873ish) is related to Richard Alder Gofton (1841ish), son and father. Thomas Thompson Gofton's birthplace is New Brunswick in Canada. I have him and Richard Alder Gofton on a uk census in 1881 in Northumberland and then again in a uk census in 1891.
I am unable to identify Thomas Dutton's father. He could have been called John Gofton and was married to Jane Anne Kay.
I would love to hear from anyone also looking for Goftons.
Paul
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Hi Paul
I am not researching Goftons but have you seen the 1891 census?
There is a Thomas Dutton Gofton staying with grandfather Thomas Thompson. There is a son in law Robert Goften who is a widower. The reference number is
RG12; Piece: 4230; Folio 119; Page 18
Could he be your Thomas Dutton?
Evie
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Hi Paul
If this is your Thomas, Robert Gofton married Mary Ann Thompson 1880 Q3 Tynemouth, 19b 232
Mary Ann Gofton died 1889 Q3, Tynemouth aged 32, 10b 148
Evie
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Hi
It looks like Robert and Richard Alder Gofton were brothers. On the 1851 census on Ancestry there has been a transcription correction by a person although they do not state their interest
Evie
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Evie,
thank you that is great. I am a bit of a novice so I am not so adept at joining them up at the moment.
They definitely look like father and son. Using familysearch how do I specify a folio?
Thanks
Paul
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Okay 1891 isnt on familysearch yet. I do have some credits on ancestry, I'll have a look there.
Thanks
Paul
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Paul
It's a bit late now for me but if you wish I can get the details tommorrow for you, let me know whether you have seen it or not.
Evie
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Evie,
sorry I cannot find the record. I am using thegenealogist.co.uk and I've searched for Thomas Thompson. The RGs are all RG11 and the Pieces are all in the 5000s.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Paul
Hi Paul
I am not researching Goftons but have you seen the 1891 census?
There is a Thomas Dutton Gofton staying with grandfather Thomas Thompson. There is a son in law Robert Goften who is a widower. The reference number is
RG12; Piece: 4230; Folio 119; Page 18
Could he be your Thomas Dutton?
Evie
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Evie,
I have found Richard Alder Gofton with his wife and children , Thomas Thompson Gofton being one but I cannot find Robert Gofton living with father in law Thomas Thompson.
P.
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Ok give me 10 mins :D I'm not the fastest of typer!
Evie
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1891 Census
Hill Heads Farm, Hill Heads, Monkseaton
Thomas Thompson, Head, M, 66 Farmer, born Monkseaton
Margaret Lunn, Dau, M, 42, Housekeeper, Monkseaton
Robert Gofton, son in law, Widower, 47, Joiner and Builder, Gosforth
Mary Ann Gofton, granddau, single, 8, scholar, Monkseaton
Thomas Dutton Gofton, grandson, single, 6, scholar, Whitley
Allison Noble, servant, single, 27, General Servant, Seghill
William Robinson, servant, single, 14 Farm Servant, Cumberland
Oswald Young, visitor, single, 4, Monkseaton
I was suprised when it had M down as married for Thomas Thompson, I wonder where his wife is. Also for Margaret Lunn ditto. At first it looked like a U for unmarried but further down the page the same initial was for a husband and wife.
Evie
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Evie,
thank you, I don't know why I couldnt find it, i tried searching for Thomas Thompson, Robert Gofton, Thomas Dutton Gofton.
What is really useful here is that they are on a farm. I am off to see my great aunt next saturday who was evacuated to a Gofton family farm during WWII. Robert Gofton might have inherited it from Thomas Thompson. Or it could have been another Thompson. I'll have to wait to see what she can remember.
Thanks again you've been brilliant. Your dog is cute too.
Paul
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It could be a 'W' for Widow
I've been transcribing for freecen yorkshire and it is really hard to make out the letters
P.
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Thanks Paul
That is interesting Ann Allison Noble is a servant of Richard Alder in 1881, a servant of Thomas Thompson in 1891 and a visitor of Richard's Widow Ann in 1901
It also looks like there was another son Robert born Canada abt 1875 to Richard and Ann who states she was born Hill Heads, I wonder if she was Mary Ann's sister?
Anything else I can help with?
Just seen your lasylast post - this is what I thought at first but Robert's was written out in full 'widower' and further down the page there werre two head and wife families which had the same mark against them
Evie
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Do you mean Richard married Ann Thompson and Robert married Mary Ann Thompson, sisters.
I was wondering that myself.
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Do you mean Richard married Ann Thompson and Robert married Mary Ann Thompson, sisters.
I was wondering that myself.
Possible especially with the use of Thomas Thompson for Richard's son, I was quite amazed when I saw Robert living with a Thomas Thompson.
See what marriage I can find
Evie
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Richard Alder Gofton got married dec 1871 in Tynemouth
the only two woman on freebmd who got married in dec 1871 are
Turner Sarah Ann
Thompson Ann
Robert Gofton got married Sep 1880
the only woman who got married on freebmd at that time were
Dockery Sarah
Thompson Mary Ann
I have Richard and Ann Gofton on a census and Robert and Mary Ann Gofton on a census.
It is very likely they are sisters.
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I need to find Thomas Thompson's wife, Mary and Ann's mother. I did find an Ann Wallace who married in the same quarter as a Thomas Thompson but looking at dob and dod it would have made her 14 when she was married. Don't know if I can trust that link.
P.
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Richard Alder Gofton to Ann Thompson 1871, Q4, Tynemouth. 10b 292
In 1861 there are daughters Ann born 1853 and Mary Ann, 1858 which would fit with the death age of Mary Ann Gofton give or take a year.
They were living Hill Head House and Thomas Thompson was a farmer so it must be the same family
Evie
Snap ;D
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After I posted the reply I saw you had posted and I realised you were probably off looking them up too. ;-)
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That's ok two heads are better than one :D
The mother was called Mary Ann born abt 1825. Tynemouth according to the 1861 census which I will do later for you.
In 1851 they seem to have a 2 year old child so we are looking for a marriage about 1848ish possibly.
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Between 1846 and 1850 there are five Thomas Thompson marriages
Names that match for a wife include
Mary Ann Blair Jun 1847
In Mar 1849 there is but that may be too late for a 2 year old in 1851
Mason Mary Tynemouth
Twaddle Mary Tynemouth
there were lots of woman who married in both those quarters....
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Ha may have come across something that may help
Check the 1881 census, Thomas is a widower ::) and staying there is grandchild Mary Ann Blair Michenson!
RG11; Piece: 5083; Folio: 72; Page: 5
evie
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Very good ;-)
I'll check it out after tea. Extremely grateful for all your help. I'll put a credit to you on my family tree website.
Paul
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Paul, that is very kind of you :)
Let me know which census you cannot access or find and would like.
Catch you later
Evie
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Robert Gofton, born 14th October 1874, birth county Huron to Richard Gofton, carpenter and Annie Thompson baptised 7th Nov 1874
Cannot see one for Thomas Thompson Gofton though :(
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A wee snippet on Spouses...
The North Tyneside authority web site ( descendant of Tynemouth Register Office) shows marriage matches... (www.northtyneside.gov.uk) and as you had already deduced Ann and Mary Ann were the brides.
Michael
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Thanks Michael - another site to add to my collection :)
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Evie,
Slowly but surely the local Register Offices are putting their records online...
North Tyneside, South Tyneside, Sunderland, Gateshead... Newcastle stuck a bit at 1870 !
Michael
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northtynedside.gov.uk
"No Response from Application Web Server
There was no response from the application web server for the page you requested.
Please notify the site's webmaster and try your request again later. "
obviously working on it at the moment.
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The web address is www.northtyneside.gov.uk not what you tried !
Michael
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The web address is www.northtyneside.gov.uk not what you tried !
Michael
It's not working today Michael :-\ is it for you?
Evie
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Evie, OK- the site is down/broken- for me also ! Michael
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Michael,
its here anyway as a record so I'll try it again Monday when their IT guys have got back to work ;-) They just have to 'turn it off and back on again'.
Thank you
P.
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I've just searched the northtyneside marriage system for 1840-49 for gofton and not a single return.
I have to find the father of Robert and Richard, anyone any ideas?
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Hi,
As evie said previously, the two boys appear on the 1851 Census. Their parents are shown as Joseph and Dorothy and there are several other children too.
This would appear to be their marriage - prior to civil registration I'm afraid so no father's names given.....
Bishop's transcripts for the church of St John, Newcastle-upon-Tyne:
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St John in the Town & in the County of Newcastle upon Tyne in the Year 1834
No. 615
Joseph Gofton of the Parish of Gosforth in the County of Northumberland and Dorothy Gofton of this Parish were married in this Church by Licence this Fourth Day of May in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Four.
By me, John Fox
This Marriage was solemnized between us, Joseph Gofton
Dorothy Gofton
In the Presence of us, John Donkin
Hannah Foster [Fosters?]
As they share a fairly unusual surname then it seems likely that bride and groom are related in some way. Cousins perhaps?
Lara :)
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Lara,
thanks for that. Gofton is quite unusual so I reckon you are right in that they are cousins.
It is really useful you got the church because I can see if it still exists and arrange to go and look at the records.
Merry christmas. :D
Paul
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Occurs to me that you might not have the 1851 Census ref for the Gofton family:
HO107/2411 f259 p17 & f260 p18
Looking at Joseph's age and the birthplace that he gives then I think that the following might be relevant:
Parish of Newburn, Northumberland (Bishop's transcripts)
Register of Baptisms in the Parish of Newburn in the Years 1805 & 1806
Joseph Gofton of Penney-hill [born] June 18th 1805 [baptised] Jany 26 - 5th son of George Gofton, Farmer, Native of Bedlington Parish by his Wife Mary Laws Native of Heddon on the Wall.
Lara :)
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Lara,
which site are you a member of as I need to get a subscription ;-)
Thanks
Paul
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If you are talking about looking at the records of St John Newcastle.....I know that they have them on film at the Northumberland Collections Service at Woodhorn. The church would probably send you there too as the records will have been deposited.
Don't suppose that looking at the register will tell you much more than the Bishop's transcript - but there would be original signatures for both parties on that.
Looking for the marriage licence bond might be worthwhile. That is probably at the Durham Record office as I think that the bond will have been issued by that Diocese.
Not sure if they have copies of Northumberland related bonds at Woodhorn or not.
Lara
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Sorry - keep crossing replies!! :)
I am using the Family Search Record Search site where they have many Northumberland parish Bishop's transcripts available to view.
So no subscription necessary - and hours of fun to be had :D
You can get to this site through the normal Family Search site. Go there and then using the drop down menu at the top under "Search Records" pick "Record Search Pilot". Takes a few moments to load up.
Ignore the search boxes. Click on "Browse our record collections" below those boxes. Click Europe on the map that appears.
You are then taken to a list.......the second section down is for United Kingdom and the last item in this list is Diocese of Durham Bishops Transcripts.
You should manage OK from there - just pick county then parish and so on.
The relevant pages for the ones I have transcribed for you if you want to look at the originals are:
Northumberland>Newcastle>St John 1830-38 page 314 of 687 and...
Northumberland>Newburn 1764-1849 page 213 of 452
Enjoy yourself!!
Lara :)
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Should have mentioned that you can save yourself quite a lot of aimless trawling :o by getting relevant dates from the IGI first and then looking them up in the registers.
Doesn't help where the parish isn't covered by the IGI of course or for burials. But we can't have things TOO easy now can we??! :)
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Lara,
how did you know there was a Gofton entry on page 213 of 452? Is there an index somewhere?
P.
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Hi,
No index unfortunately. I used the IGI via FamilySearch to look for a possible date for Joseph's birth/baptism and then guessed at a page number. Then trawled about a bit until I got the right page.
One thing you have to watch when searching these is that most BT's run from Lady Day 25th March to the following Lady Day - I think that was when the parish officials were expected to make their returns to the Diocese. So you will find events from the beginning of the year tacked on to the end of events from the previous year.
There are also gaps (usually where there is an event that I am desperate to look at! :( ) and most BT's cease to include marriages after the start of civil registration in 1837. Some do continue - but using the old style forms which don't include all the information that the parish register entry does.
I have found a few that do include the whole entry....which saves a small fortune in buying marriage certificates of course!
For example - if you look at the BT's for Earsdon page 946 of 1316 you will find the marriage of Robert Thompson (brother of Thomas Thompson of Whitley Hill Heads) with full details.
Also at Earsdon - 730 of 1316 - is the burial of Robert and Thomas's father in 1826. He was also called Thomas and died at a relatively young age.
As I said.......lots of trawling through pages and pages of stuff. But it's fascinating stuff!
Lara
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Lara,
thanks for explaining that. I will look forward to the trawling ;-).
It is useful just to have them digitised.
Your help has been invaluable.
Paul
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You're welcome :)
As you have probably gathered, I am researching the Thompson family.
Lara :)
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Yes, are they the Thompsons who married some Goftons. Thomas with his two daughters Mary and Ann who married Robert and Richard Gofton?
P.
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Yes - that is why I referred you to that burial. That is Thomas sr, the grandfather of Ann and Mary Ann.
And the marriage I mentioned is for Robert Thompson, son of Thomas sr and brother of Thomas jr - and therefore the uncle of the two ladies mentioned above.
As yet I only have these two sons, Robert and Thomas jr, as offspring of Thomas sr and his wife Ann.
Robert was also a farmer and seems to have taken on the farm which had been in his wife's family when her brother died unmarried and childless. I think that Robert's wife Mary Thompson was his first cousin i.e. their fathers, Thomas and John, were brothers. So that farm stayed in the same family...........and is still in the same family to this day!
Lara
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So the Robert Thompson farm is still run by Thompsons? Where is it in modern day Northumberland?
I am going to see a great aunt in Liverpool on saturday who was evacuated to a Gofton farm possibly in Monkseaton during WWII. I dont know who ran that farm then but I think it is an ice rink and football pitches now.
What relation are you to Thomas Thompson Sr?
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I think that it might be the Hill Heads farm that is under the ice rink these days - so perhaps it was there that she was sent?? But I think that there were quite a few farms in that area that have since disappeared under urban sprawl.
There is a very interesting website - www.monkseaton.info - with lots of info on the Hill Head area - and a couple of very useful maps too.
I am not related to the Thompson family at all - but am a friend of, and working for, Thomas sr's great-great-great grandson.
Robert farmed at Seaton Lodge, Seaton Sluice in Earsdon parish and the family now hold several farms in that area.
Lara :)
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Introducing a bit of sport !
Today Whitley Bay football team play at Hillheads Park. Very close to Ice Rink and Cricket pitch.
Hillheads Park postcode is NE25 8HR- back to that in a mo !
Hill Heads farm lay a touch north of here.... under junction of Hill Heads Road and Kingsley Avenue (were some allotments nearby- now supermarket ?
The Durham CC GIS online mapping facilty allows a look at sites from 1850s up through time to modern day... For search parameters use the postcode.
I noticed a different variation on the name in 1800s... " Whitleyhill Heads"
Michael
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Michael,
that is a really great facility. It looks like the farm was changing to semi detached suburban houses earlier than I was lead to believe.
Thanks
Paul
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From the Newcastle Courant, edition of 26 Feb 1862
" Deaths.
Gloucester Road, on 22 Feb, Isabella Mary, 24, wife of Charles Gofton Young, only daughter of the late Ralph Laws of this town, and..
on 24 Feb, Charles Gofton, infant son of Mr C G Young "
Michael
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Michael,
I haven't found a 'Charles Gofton' related to any other Goftons, yet. I'll follow that up.
I have spent hours searching the IGI record search pilot site going through thousands of the hand written pages trying to decipher the handwriting. I found loads of Goftons now related to the ones I already had. Unfortunately for a couple of the parishes there were missing Baptismal pages for certain years like 1841 and 1842 for Newburn.
Anyway, I need some help again ;-)
One of the Gofton families lived in Bedlington for some time and had a few children there. Could you please advise which parish on IGI Bedlington is in as I cannot find it but I know it is there somewhere.
Check out my Gofton tree now (my globe icon next to posting)
Thanks
Paul
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Paul
What years are you looking for in Bedlington? According to the Hugh Wallis site the IGI covers baptisms 1643 to 1812 and marriages from 1653 to 1812. Whether it has been updated since I am not sure.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07l5/
Evie
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Hi Evie,
thats useful, I didn't know how to search for marriages in that catalogue. I found all the christenings for Gofton and there seem to be two sets of parents. Thomas Gofton and Mary Davison and Ralph Gofton and Frances ???
I wanted to see if the marriage records were there for either couple or if there were earlier christening records for Thomas or Ralph. Unfortunately not.
Back to the drawing board.
Paul
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Paul
On that link I gave you I saw a marriage for Ralph Gofton and Frances Potts 27 April 1760, Bedlington. Is that not the one you are after?
Evie
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Hi Paul,
Bedlington is missing from the Family Search site. I assume that either the Bishop's Transcripts haven't been added or that they haven't survived at all. You would need to look through the original register on film at the archives.
Lara
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erm... yes, thanks
There was also a John Gofton married a couple of years later. I have my ggggfather as Thomas Gofton who had some children in that parish at the same time and one was also called Ralph
This is what I have as his wedding details
Mary Davison - 17 May 1752 Bolam, Northumberland, England
Do you know where Bolam is?
I have this http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Bolam/
but how do I find the link that you posted to Bolam?
Paul
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Lara,
oh well... have to do a bit more guessing then ;-)
P.
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Evie,
sorry I saw Bolam further down that page. I have found Thomas Gofton's marriage again to Mary Davison. Must have been her parish.
Thanks
Paul
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wow!
Anne Gofton married Thomas Davison on the same day... cheapskates, double marriage
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Paul,
A little historical quirk !
Bedlington ( the parish of) was County Durham, not Northumberland.
(So too were parishes in the north ie Twqeedmouth, Norham etc).
Until 1844 when these "enclaves" reverted back to County of Northumberland.
Browsing around the "Newcastle Courant" there are mentions of Gofton folk in Newburn Parish and in Gosforth Parish. And of a place called Gofton in area of Bellingham and Wark Parishes.
I will pass some Deaths info to you from the " Courant", but only when you request it... you might be close to info overload ?
The man I saw was Charles Gofton Young _ wasn't there a Young in the Thompson/Gofton household on 1891 census in Hillheads Farm ?
Michael
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Michael,
all info gratefully received.
You are correct there was a Young in the Thompson/Gofton household of 1891. I'll double check.
Thanks for that
Paul
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this site looks good and I think it has the two John and Ralph Gofton (brothers!) marriages
http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
P.
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There was an Oswald Young born 1887 age 4 a visitor.
Your death note was 1862. I need to see if I can find Isabella Mary Gofton somewhere to link her, Charles Young to the much younger Oswald Young.
Maybe a great nephew?
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The article said Isabella was 24 which would put her DOB at abt 1838. I found this on freebmd
Births Dec 1840
Gofton Isabella Castle Ward
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Okay, stuck again.... >:(
I have Ralph, Anne, John, Charles and Thomas Gofton who seem to be born around the same time (1720s 1730s) in the Morpeth and Bedlington area. For a couple of them the father is also called Ralph.
I cannot seem to find a reference to Ralph for all of them, or any mother.
Charles Gofton has two daughters in the same parish 30 years later.
Michael,
what is the "Newcastle Courant"?
Thanks
Paul
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Paul,
A newspaper- not now existing. But my membership of Newcastle City Library gives me access online to editions from 1800-1900.
I have info on Ralphs etc, but I am concerned to you might be wilting under all new info ?
BMD's of folk living in the Parishes of Newburn, Gosforth, Ponteland, Stamfordham were recorded within the Castle Ward Registration District.
Bedlington and Morpeth BMDs were covered by Morpeth Reg District.
Michael
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I've searched IGI for the Gofton's in Mitford and Morpeth around 1720-30 and they all have the father of Ralph, so I've got five siblings.
Any help identifying their mother would be great. I've searched a few parishes but I think maybe they married in the parish of the wife.
Thanks
Paul
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Paul,
Info from the "Newcastle Courant".........
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Around the 1820 and 1830s an article periodically appeared in the paper.
It was by the Gosforth Association of Prosecuting Felons. And warned how strenuously the association would pursue burglars etc. And the articles listed the members of assoc. i.e.
Ralph Gofton, farmer
Bullock Steads
West Brunton (Township)
Gosforth (Parish)
Also R.Gofton
Brunton (Township)
Gosforth ( Parish)
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To see modern photo of Bullock Steads go to web site
www.geograph.org.uk
The map ref for the form is NZ200690
In the search parameter insert " nz2069 " to see about 12 fotos of area.
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Other articles....
Adverts and info on Goftons farming at two closeby farms
Donkin's House (sometimes "Houses" )
South Dissington (Township)
Newburn (Parish
... and.....
Penny Hill
South Dissington ( Township)
Newburn (Parish)
One advert, in issue of 10 Jan 1851, was to let the farm, of the late George Gofton.
To see the two farms on maps online go to site communities.northumberland.gov.uk
Enter the "Ponteland" community. From left hand menu choose "Plans".
See the farms on Fryer's map of 1820 and Greenwood's of 1828.
On Armstrong's early map of 1769 you can see "Duncan's House"
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Death
In Pitt Street, 3 Dec 1859, Ann, 13, daughter of John Gofton and grandaughter of George Gofton, farmer , Penny Hill
Death
In Tindall St, 6 Aug 1862, Ellen, 14, only daughter of the late George Gofton, of Donkin's Houses
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Michael
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Thank you Michael this is good context. I googled and this came up with the National Archive "Letters of administration of the estate of Ralph Gofton of Bullock Steads, Gosforth, farmer DT.SC/135 26 April 1834"
I also found the villages or farms of Gofton Burn and Wark Burn you mentioned earlier:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/place/Gofton_Burn_in_Northumberland_493611_686611.htm
I believe they are well know to ramblers in that area.
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Newburn Parish Records (Transcriptions 1813-1839)
Baptisms
27 Jan 1836 George Gofton, son of George and Ellen, Yeoman, Donkin's Houses
26 April 1839 John Gofton, " " " , Yeoman, Donkin's House.
Burials.
29 Aug 1832 Ralph Gofton, 40 yrs, Bullock Steads
Marriages
No Goftons
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Earsdon Parish Marriage 16 Jun 1842
Already found.
Added snippet. Witnesses to the marriage Robert Thompson of Whitley>< Mary Thompson Seghill
Seghill one of the eight "townships" that made up Earsdon Parish.
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Bedlington Parish Marriage, 27 April 1760
Already found. Additional info
Witnesses to marriage of Ralph Gofton and Frances Potts ( "Both of this parish" ) Thomas Gofton and Humphrey Elliot
were John Thompson Junr & Clement Kell
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Michael
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Michael,
To see modern photo of Bullock Steads go to web site
www.geograph.org.uk
The map ref for the form is NZ200690
In the search parameter insert " nz2069 " to see about 12 fotos of area.
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Other articles....
Adverts and info on Goftons farming at two closeby farms
Donkin's House (sometimes "Houses" )
South Dissington (Township)
Newburn (Parish
... and.....
Penny Hill
South Dissington ( Township)
Newburn (Parish)
One advert, in issue of 10 Jan 1851, was to let the farm, of the late George Gofton.
To see the two farms on maps online go to site communities.northumberland.gov.uk
Enter the "Ponteland" community. From left hand menu choose "Plans".
See the farms on Fryer's map of 1820 and Greenwood's of 1828.
On Armstrong's early map of 1769 you can see "Duncan's House"
On the Greenwood's Map of Northumberland (1828) map on that page you can just make out 'Bull...' below Woolsington. I have the post code in multimap and it about the same spot in relation to Woolsington today. Would you know if I can get a bit more of that map with Bullock Stead on?
Thanks
Paul
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Paul,
Do you mean on Greenwood's map. ?
He covered the whole of Northumberland, so Bullock Steads will be on the Gosforth Parish area, and maybe on the Newburn Parish section.
BUT the Northumberland Communities web site only covers communities that lie within modern-day Northumberland ( budgets you know). So areas that today lie outside Northumberland, e.g. Gosforth, Newburn (once in the "new" county of Tyne & Wear- now within the unitary authority of Newcastle) are not included.
We were lucky that Ponteland is still within Northumberland and so covered by the web site !
Places like the Northumberland County Record Office ( @ Woodhorn) will have versions of the map. Newcastle City library might also have a copy ?
Although Bullocks Stead lay within Parish of Gosforth, the Goftons used the Newburn parish church (i.e. for burial).
Michael
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Paul
Some information on Goftons that may be of interest to you. From Northumberland Monumental Inscriptions Whitley Bay St Paul
What appears to be the same plot:
In loving memory of Thomas Thompson Gofton for 40 years ringing master of St. Pauls Belfry. Died June 20th 1931 in his 59th year.
In loving memory of Richard Alder Gofton died on Christmas morn 1891 aged 50 'his life and end was peace'
Ann Gofton beloved wife of the above who fell asleep Jan 11th 1933 aged 80.
His brother Robert Gofton died January 31st 1892 aged 48 interred side by side 'At rest'
In ever loving memory of Joseph Aleany Gofton, 4th son of Richard and Ann Gofton, entered into rest March 15th 1933 aged 50.
Also in a separate plot Jospeh and Dorothy d 1881 and 1885.
Liz
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Lizzie,
thank you for that, I had most of the deaths from freebmd between months on certain years so it is really good to get some exact dates.
Joseph and Dorothy at the end are the parents of Richard and Robert. The other Joseph is actually 'Joseph Albany Gofton' the poor fellas middle name is often transcribed wrong ;-)
I got the membership record of Thomas Thompson Gofton from the bell ringers guild and it has his photo on it which is fantastic.
Thanks again
Regards and Merry Christmas
Paul
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Steve Foster came to my website and left a message but his email address is invalid.
If Steve comes to rootschat please send me a private message here and I'll message back.
hopefully this doesn't breach forum rules
Paul
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Paul
The Gofton Family were builders in Whitley Bay during the 1950-60's and maybe beyond. They also had a fancy goods shop on Park View (opposite Ryles Fashion House - now long gone).
During the late 50's I went to school (Whitley Bay Grammar) with a girl called Gofton (can't give name here- she may still be living). They lived in Monkseaton, but can't remember where.
Marion
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Hi,
I have just read the message you left me, i'm not surprided my e mail address didn't work as i an rubbish at all this technical stuff. i havent been on a forum before and don't know the rules etc.
I'm logged on here now and can provide info through hee if you like?
cheers Steve Foster
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Paul
The Gofton Family were builders in Whitley Bay during the 1950-60's and maybe beyond. They also had a fancy goods shop on Park View (opposite Ryles Fashion House - now long gone).
During the late 50's I went to school (Whitley Bay Grammar) with a girl called Gofton (can't give name here- she may still be living). They lived in Monkseaton, but can't remember where.
Marion
Hi Marion,
thanks for the info I'll see if I can get any old photos of that shop. I have some of their builders business and their vans that someone kindly sent me.
Its great that for such an uncommon name so many people remember them and have come forward with info.
Thanks again
Paul
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Hi,
I have just read the message you left me, i'm not surprided my e mail address didn't work as i an rubbish at all this technical stuff. i havent been on a forum before and don't know the rules etc.
I'm logged on here now and can provide info through hee if you like?
cheers Steve Foster
Hi Steve,
got your email, I've replied. Talk soon.
Regards
Paul
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My mam used to work for the Goftons in Monkseaton. I can try to get some info from her if you want?
Mick
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Hi Mick,
that would be great. Eventually I'd like to be able to get in contact with them so any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Paul
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Hi I know its been a while since anyone has posted anymore on this but I have just seen it. I am a Gofton and my dad and grandad were Gofton Builders in Monkseaton, if you still would like any info, I might be able to help, both my parents are still living and have good memory's.
Thanks
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Hi I know its been a while since anyone has posted anymore on this but I have just seen it. I am a Gofton and my dad and grandad were Gofton Builders in Monkseaton, if you still would like any info, I might be able to help, both my parents are still living and have good memory's.
Thanks
Brilliant. I would love to get the details of the descendants of some of the Gofton brothers to complete my tree. This would mean my great aunt can learn about her cousins.
I will PM you.
BW
Paul
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Thats great, I'll print off your message and take it to my parents tonight and hopefully they can fill in the missing gaps, I'm new to this and couldn't see where i reply to your message, it just says delete or reload, so I have just replied on here. I'll get back to you as soon as I find out more :)
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Hi,
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Hi,
As evie said previously, the two boys appear on the 1851 Census. Their parents are shown as Joseph and Dorothy and there are several other children too.
This would appear to be their marriage - prior to civil registration I'm afraid so no father's names given.....
Bishop's transcripts for the church of St John, Newcastle-upon-Tyne:
Marriages solemnized in the Parish of St John in the Town & in the County of Newcastle upon Tyne in the Year 1834
No. 615
Joseph Gofton of the Parish of Gosforth in the County of Northumberland and Dorothy Gofton of this Parish were married in this Church by Licence this Fourth Day of May in the Year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Thirty Four.
By me, John Fox
This Marriage was solemnized between us, Joseph Gofton
Dorothy Gofton
In the Presence of us, John Donkin
Hannah Foster [Fosters?]
As they share a fairly unusual surname then it seems likely that bride and groom are related in some way. Cousins perhaps?
Lara :)
When Ralph Gofton died in Australia in 1914, who was at least 70, his parents were named as Joseph Gofton and Dorothy Foster.
But when I look for these people, I find that a Ralph Gofton married a Dorothy Foster at Gosforth in 13 November 1830 ( source Familysearch ) and also a Joseph Gofton married a Dorothy Gofton at Newcastle upon Tyne 4 May 1834.
Rather than Joseph and Dorothy being cousins, is it possible that these are the same Dorothy, who married firstly Ralph Gofton in 1830 and secondly Joseph Gofton in 1834 ? That would explain how Ralph, who died in 1914, could claim that his parents were Joseph Gofton and Dorothy Foster. It would also be consistent with the witness to the 1834 marriage being Hannah Foster.
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I know it is wrong to do but that is the assumption I've made:
http://paulmcgrath.net/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I108&ged=Gofton%20Family%20Tree (http://paulmcgrath.net/webtrees/individual.php?pid=I108&ged=Gofton%20Family%20Tree)
You'll see on the right I've two families for Dorothy, one with Ralph and one with Joseph. I do have them as brothers from other sources and of course it was very common in those days for brothers to marry their dead siblings wife and take on the family. Joseph and Dorothy were the same age where as Ralph had been a fair bit older, again not unusual in those days.
Obviously Joseph and Dorothy named one of their sons after Joseph's oler brother.
Don't take it as gispel as someone commented I've a couple of members of descendant families, further down the tree, wrong and I've got to double check.
BW
Paul
When Ralph Gofton died in Australia in 1914, who was at least 70, his parents were named as Joseph Gofton and Dorothy Foster.
But when I look for these people, I find that a Ralph Gofton married a Dorothy Foster at Gosforth in 13 November 1830 ( source Familysearch ) and also a Joseph Gofton married a Dorothy Gofton at Newcastle upon Tyne 4 May 1834.
Rather than Joseph and Dorothy being cousins, is it possible that these are the same Dorothy, who married firstly Ralph Gofton in 1830 and secondly Joseph Gofton in 1834 ? That would explain how Ralph, who died in 1914, could claim that his parents were Joseph Gofton and Dorothy Foster. It would also be consistent with the witness to the 1834 marriage being Hannah Foster.
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I would think that if they were farmers, they would be keen to keep the land in the family.
I've been looking at some of the family trees posted around the internet for this family.
A major mistake of several of them, is that they claim that Elizabeth Gofton, born in Kent, who appears aged 22 in the 1871 census, with Joseph and Dorothy Gofton ( both aged 65 ), is their daughter. The census actually says she is their daughter, but actually the census-taker was wrong, for some reason.
This Elizabeth Gofton aged 22 who appears as the daughter of Joseph and Dorothy Gofton in 1871, is actually their daughter-in-law, not daughter. She was the wife of Ralph Gofton born 1838, who appears to be the second son of Joseph and Dorothy Gofton. She was married to him in London in 1867. Her maiden name is Elizabeth Mary Seggie. Her apparent oldest son is Edward, aged 1, correctly described as the grandson of Joseph and Dorothy.
In 1881, she is living with her husband Ralph and six children including Edward who is now 11, and she is still correctly described as from Kent.
In 1883, this family moved to Queensland Australia. Ralph died in 1914 and Elizabeth in 1940. They had about 13 children in total.
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Just to correct that last post, the apparently oldest child of Ralph Gofton (1838-1914) and his wife Elizabeth Mary Seggie Gofton (c.1849-1940) was Joseph Gofton. He's the one who appears aged 1 in 1871 and aged 11 in 1881. The Edward erroneously mentioned in the previous post was one of his younger brothers.
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Brilliant, thank you for clearing that up I'll correct my tree.
Trying to work out how we might be related ;-)
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Well you are not related to me, because my brother's wife is the Gofton. My brother's wife, and his children, might be related to you.
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Just to correct that last post, the apparently oldest child of Ralph Gofton (1838-1914) and his wife Elizabeth Mary Seggie Gofton (c.1849-1940) was Joseph Gofton. He's the one who appears aged 1 in 1871 and aged 11 in 1881. The Edward erroneously mentioned in the previous post was one of his younger brothers.
So, revisited this. In the 1851 census Joseph Gupton and Dorthy Gupton (their spelling not mine) have a 19 year old daughter called Elizabeth Fenney Gupton. I found a marriage between her and John Dawson and they are together in the 1861 census.
Then the rest of your stuff appears to be correct except Ralph was the 4th child oand 3rd son of the parents.