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My maternal grandmother, Maria Kearns (nee Gleeson) was born in Birr on 1st of May 1902. I have a copy of her birth certificate showing this date.
Her father is shown as John Gleeson of Mill Street, Birr and his rank or profession as labourer. Her mother is Kate Gleeson, formerly Parnell. The birth was registered on 5th June 1902, Thomas Woods being the registrar.
Maria married my Grandad, John Patrick Kearns, in Birr on 22nd January 1923. I have about half of what is left of the original Certificate of Marriage, it's somewhat dog eared and faded. One of the winesses to the marriage is Pat Gleeson.
Sometime between 1923 and 1930 John and Maria left Ireland settling in Sheffield, England. I say 1930 as my Mother, Maureen, was born in Sheffield on 24th January 1930. As my Grandparents made a new life in Sheffield they gradually lost contact with the families in Birr.
Around 1982 I took my Grandmother back to Birr for a visit. We managed to find her younger brother Joe, they hadn't seen each other for over 50 years, it was a little emotional to say the least. Joe was around a year younger than Maria.
All, including my mother, are now deceased. I have recently had a look at the 1911 census on the National Archives site. It shows a Gleeson family living at 6 Glebe Street, Birr. It shows John as the head of the family, Kate his wife, they have 6 children including a son Patrick and a daughter Maria, the youngest child is Joseph. However my Grandmothers age doesn't quite 'fit'. If she was born on 1st May 1902 she would have been 8 on 2nd April 1911, the Form A shows the Maria at 6 Glebe Street as 6 years old. The information also shows her father John as being a Military Pensioner.
The other children in the Glebe Street family are Mary, Alice and Bridget.
Does anyone have any information relating to this Gleeson family ?
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For what its worth; from the 'Offaly War Dead'
GLEESON, PATRICK. Rank: Pte. Regiment or Service: Leinster Regiment. Unit; 1st Battalion.
Date of Death:14-February-1915. Service No:3487. Born in Birr, King’s County. Enlisted in Birr, King’s County. Killed in Action.
King’s County Chronicle, March, 1916.
Private Patrick Gleeson, 1st Leinsters, son of the late Mr Philip Gleeson, High Street, was reported missing in February, 1915. His mother would be grateful for any news concerning him.
Grave or Memorial Reference: He has no known grave but is listed on Panel 44 on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial in Belgium.
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(by kind permission of Noel Farrell)
These Gleeson & Kearns families were in Birr in 1901, taken from 'Birr Family Roots' and may have some connection.
Boherdeel;
Gleeson Thomas;
Ballyegan;
Gleeson William, Lillie.
Clonoghil upper (13)
Kerans William R & Anne C; Margaret, Ismalia (ex army)
(19)
Kearns John & Jane; Katie, Bridget, Lillie, Susan, Margaret, Norah, John.
Connaught st (18)
Gleeson Mary (confectioner)
Clondallow;
Gleeson Catherine, Patrick.
Chesterfield Boarding school;
Kerans Robert, Charles.
Green st (3)
Gleeson John & Eliza; Laurence, Gertrude, John, Louisa, Patrick (blacksmith)
(9)
Gleeson John & Marcella; John. (coachman)
Glebe st (12)
Parnell Michael & Mary; Mary, Michael.
John's place (32)
Gleeson Edward, Thomas, Edward, Michael, Lizzie.
Killeen (8)
Gleeson John, John.
Mill st (4)
Gleeson Ellen, Mary, Alice, Bridget, Patrick, Kate (soldiers wife)
Market sq (9)
Gleeson Ellen. (pub & grocer)
Post office lane (1)
Gleeson Philip & Margaret; Joseph, Patrick, Marykate, Maryellen.
Pound st or New rd (10)
Gleeson Kate, Mary.
Willmor rd;
St John's Industrial school;
Gleeson Julia.
There seems to be quite a lot of Gleeson, still in Birr, 'Gleeson Birr' in the search engine brings up a lot of info.
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enfield, seanmac, I appreciate the time you've taken to assist in my research, thank you.
There's a lot to read through in the Birr Family Roots information you've supplied and I'll visit the web site to see if there's any more pieces of the jigsaw I can find. The only details I have of the Parnell connection is that shown on Marias birth crtificate.
As to the Patrick who was killed in action I have nothing else at this time that could connect him to 'my' Gleeson family.
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I see Birr Family Roots is a book, an assumption on my part, tend to think everything is accessible on the web theses days. Another one for the Christmas list !
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Clonoghill cemetery Birr;
Joseph Gleeson; 5 Pound st
18/1/1964 (56)
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Kathleen Gleeson; 5 Pound st
2/3/1946 (14)
father-John;
14/5/1949 (48)
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Thomas Gleeson; O Connell st Birr
30/12/1937
wife-Bridget;
27/4/1937
son;
Austin;
28/9/2002
his wife-Margaret; (nee O Meara)
6/3/2009
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John Gleeson;
21/2/1933
wife-Elizabeth;
15/4/1934
sons;
Lawerence;
23/4/1936
John Francis;
23/5/1913
Brendan;
10/11/1921
Gertrude;
17/11/1945
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Jack
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Clonoghill cemetery Birr;
John Kearns; Oxmantown Mall Birr
31/5/1979 (53)
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Margaret Kearns; (nee Casey) "Sancta Maria" Birr
21/1/1961
hus-Michael;
19/5/1962
dtr-Maura;
24/5/1942
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Oliver Parnell; Ohothurt Portumna (died after a car accident)
14/7/1981 (31)
mother-Kathleen;
16/2/1983 (62)
father-Thomas;
10/9/1989 (81)
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Edward Parnell; Killeen Birr
28/3/1987 (81)
wife-Mary;
6/1/1995 (78)
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Jack
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My maternal grandmother, Maria Kearns (nee Gleeson) was born in Birr on 1st of May 1902. I have a copy of her birth certificate showing this date.
Her father is shown as John Gleeson of Mill Street, Birr and his rank or profession as labourer. Her mother is Kate Gleeson, formerly Parnell. The birth was registered on 5th June 1902, Thomas Woods being the registrar.
Maria married my Grandad, John Patrick Kearns, in Birr on 22nd January 1923. I have about half of what is left of the original Certificate of Marriage, it's somewhat dog eared and faded. One of the winesses to the marriage is Pat Gleeson.
Sometime between 1923 and 1930 John and Maria left Ireland settling in Sheffield, England. I say 1930 as my Mother, Maureen, was born in Sheffield on 24th January 1930. As my Grandparents made a new life in Sheffield they gradually lost contact with the families in Birr.
Around 1982 I took my Grandmother back to Birr for a visit. We managed to find her younger brother Joe, they hadn't seen each other for over 50 years, it was a little emotional to say the least. Joe was around a year younger than Maria.
All, including my mother, are now deceased. I have recently had a look at the 1911 census on the National Archives site. It shows a Gleeson family living at 6 Glebe Street, Birr. It shows John as the head of the family, Kate his wife, they have 6 children including a son Patrick and a daughter Maria, the youngest child is Joseph. However my Grandmothers age doesn't quite 'fit'. If she was born on 1st May 1902 she would have been 8 on 2nd April 1911, the Form A shows the Maria at 6 Glebe Street as 6 years old. The information also shows her father John as being a Military Pensioner.
The other children in the Glebe Street family are Mary, Alice and Bridget.
Does anyone have any information relating to this Gleeson family ?
Hi my name is carmel and my grand father was a sister to maria patrick gleeson can you get in touch with me please mob *
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Gleeson's who left Kings County; (Eng/Wales census)
1911;
Edward Gleeson; 52, married, Cotton Porter.
Liverpool.
Andrew Gleeson; (Moneggall) 66, married, Eletric car cleaner
Liverpool
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1901;
Andrew Gleeson; 54, married, Watchman ships
Liverpool
Maggie Gleeson; 27, single, assistant to head of family
Stepney London
Katie Gleeson; 29, single, lodger, Drapers assistant.
Stepney London
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1891;
Kate Gleeson; 26, Domestic Servant Parlour Maid
Elland rd Yorkshire
Catherine Gleeson; 80, sister, Laundress
York Yorkshire
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Jack
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Hi your grandmother maria kearns nee gleeson her brother patrick gleeson was my grand father if you want more information please phone me .carmel1
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Hi I am searching for patrick james gleeson burkes hill birr born 19/04/1930 his mother margaret died 1931 nee dunne father patrick gleeson he had four sisters and one brother .Any information be great thanks
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Hi Maria Gleeson was also my grandmother just found this post now I am in Canada now interested in any family information I can find
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Hi I'm looking to get in touch with Celtic Owl I think you might be my cousin my father was Alan Kearns, your mother Maureen was his sister. I am living in Canada now and my mother was Joyce.
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Welcome to RootsChat
Celtic Owl was last on line in 2012 but if still has an active email address that they registered with will get a notification that you commented here and will hopefully get in touch with you
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Hello
I came across this thread looking for a Gleeson family that resided at 9 Pound Street, Birr, likely around 1937-1947.
There were five children including: Christina (eldest, born 12/12/1937), Brandon and Johnie (youngest, possibly born 1947).
We think that the mother may have died when Johnie was born and the children were placed in care.
Any help very much appreciated.
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Welcome to Rootschat,
Are you looking for the children or their parents etc.
A Marcella Gleeson aged 43, Pound St died from heart problems in 1936, she had a son John but he was informant so probably too old for your family.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04804/4292665.pdf
I'll look some more.
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Think this lady died from haemorrhage after childbirth in 1931
Margaret aged 29
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04898/4327429.pdf
Address is only Birr
Oh I should have said RootsChat doesn't allow the names of living or possible living people so if the children are still living you need to remove their names.
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Welcome to Rootschat,
Are you looking for the children or their parents etc.
A Marcella Gleeson aged 43, Pound St died from heart problems in 1936, she had a son John but he was informant so probably too old for your family.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04804/4292665.pdf
I'll look some more.
Thanks! Looking for any info on parents names and general info on the family.
The eldest child (Christine Theresa Gleeson) was born 12th December 1937, we know that she was the eldest and that she was ten when Johnie was born, and their Mum passed.
Any help very much appreciated!
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See the note I added about the children's names to my last post,
Deaths only go to 1967 on that site at the moment, I don't see any other likely one for the mother there.
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Okay I’ll remove names I’m not sure about, thank you.
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A search like this on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp should find them.
You can tick Marriages etc and put in Year Ranges if you want.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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That’s useful, thank you! It’s a bit confusing without the parents names.
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You can look on FamilySearch for Christina birth hopefully in will give the mother's maiden name, I can't do it on iPad
I'll just find the link
The page won't load for me so fingers crossed
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927084
You need the civil registration 1864 to 1958
The district is Birr if she was born Dec she may not be registered until the following year so search 1938 as well
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I'm trying to find a death in the newspapers but without a first name it's difficult.
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You can look on FamilySearch for Christina birth hopefully in will give the mother's maiden name, I can't do it on iPad
I'll just find the link
The page won't load for me so fingers crossed
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?page=1&countryId=1927084
You need the civil registration 1864 to 1958
The district is Birr if she was born Dec she may not be registered until the following year so search 1938 as well
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Might as well attach the attachment! ;D
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The Search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
should find the Marriage... if registered!
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So the parents are likely Patrick and Mary married 1937
You can find their marriage cert on Irish Genealogy
So where would a woman from Birr have her baby, if not at home?
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Thank you. We think we’ve found the parents - Mary Callaghan and Patrick Gleeson, married 1937.
We also think Christine was actually born Theresa according to Family Search (we believed that was her middle name, but perhaps not!).
This is such a web of names and dates!
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There is this death in 1950 in Tullamore
But the address isn't Pound St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1950/04530/4193911.pdf
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Not really..
Just search Familysearch for
Name: Gleeson,
Event: Birth,
Place: Birr,
Event Range: 1930-1950,
Country: Ireland
and they are all right there in front of you!
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It may seem simple to you, but the Callaghan/Gleeson wedding is a small part of a much bigger web that I am trying to unravel. It is a really useful part to know though, so thank you for your help with it.
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I think that Margaret Gleeson death in 1931 I posted earlier was Patrick's first wife
There is a marriage in 1923 to Maggie Dunne which looks likely for Patrick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1923/09176/5318711.pdf
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That’s so helpful, thank you!
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It's late I need sleep. Let us know how you get on and we will try to help if you get stuck.
Good luck.
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A Search like this on familysearch.... adjusting names/dates etc could be very rewarding along with Civil Reg already posted based on your names dates etc
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Thanks so much for your help so far, the sites suggested have been really helpful and given us lots to go on.
Sleep well!
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I think that Margaret Gleeson death in 1931 I posted earlier was Patrick's first wife
There is a marriage in 1923 to Maggie Dunne which looks likely for Patrick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1923/09176/5318711.pdf
Did you notice that the John GLEESON/Maria KEARNS marriage on Jan 22 1923 is on the same page with witnesses Pat GLEESON & Maggie DUNNE?
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Ooh that’s interesting. We’re still trying to work out exactly how Patrick and Maria are related, we think siblings but perhaps with different mothers. But this definitely confirms some link between them, so thank you!
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About When were they born?
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C Reg Birth results for Gleeson of Birr from 1900 to 1918 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ny4/
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 80 results for Name: Gleeson, Event: Birth, Place: Birr, Event Range: 1919-1958 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ny5/
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Civil Reg Marriage results for Gleeson of Birr http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ny6/
C Reg Death results for Gleeson of Birr http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ny7/
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We’ve found Patrick born 1900 and Maria born 1902. Not clear who their shared parents were though!
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These ones?
Birth of MARIA GLEESON on 01 May 1902
Group Registration ID 7222849
SR District/Reg Area Birr
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname PARNELL
Birth of PATRICK GLEESON on 13 October 1900
Group Registration ID 56560
SR District/Reg Area Birr
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname CARROL
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Yes, they’re the ones we found - with Carrol and Parnell as mothers maiden names. Some evidence to suggest that Patrick and Maria are related, but with different mothers.
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Maybe cousins??
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1911 census for John GLEESON and family at 6 Glebe Street LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Birr_Urban/Glebe_Street/551426/)
Note Mary A is crossed out and there is also a Maria listed
1901 census for GLEESON at 4 in Mill Street with no John and head being Ellen
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/King_s_Co_/Birr_Urban/Mill_Street/1461933/)
Although this family states that there were only 7 children of which 6 were alive in 1911
John GLEESON and Kate PARNELL had at least 10 children
May 21 1890 Mary A m. Patrick Joseph Sullivan May 15 1934 (shown on baptism record)
Aug 10 1891 Michael
Sep 13 1892 Alice
Mar 12 1894 Bridget
Jul 15 1895 John Thomas
Jun 01 1898 Patrick
Jun 05 1900 Catherine/Kate d. Sep 20 1901
May 01 1902 Maria/Moriah
Nov 21 1903 Joseph
Apr 22 1905 Bernard d. Dec 23 1905
Looks as if they were siblings
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C Reg Marriage results for john Gleeson anywhere from 1885 to 1903
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ny8/
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The address on the Gleeson Dunne marriage for Patrick is Glebe St. Birr, Patrick is I think 25 years.
This gives a birth of about 1897 so I think this is the family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/King_s_Co_/Birr_Urban/Glebe_Street/551426/
There is a Joseph Gleeson born to John and Kate Parnell in 1903 (Birr)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01837/1717344.pdf Which doesn't quite match age wise with the census but not bad.
There is a Patrick Gleeson born to John and Kate Parnell in 1898 (Parnsonstown)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02083/1794718.pdf
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Thank you, that’s helpful! I think we’re going to leave it for a bit now as we’ve gone back and got the level that we need to find more recent descendants. Thank you for all of your help, it’s very much appreciated.
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Oh I was busy adding to my last post, but I'll leave it there so, good luck with your search.
You can have a look for marriages of the other children which may help you find recent descendants.
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Ah sorry! I really do appreciate your help.
We’ve also got information coming from some of the more recent descendants, so I think searching marriages for some of the children may help fill in the gaps.
Sure we’ll get there, but I couldn’t have done it without you - thank you!
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The Search on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
should find the Marriage... if registered!
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can anyone contact me re Gleeson family in birr my grandfather was Patrick Gleeson born around 1900
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Hello Sinead123,
When you reply to a topic and email will be sent to the poster to let them know of your reply.
Hopefully Celtic owl will reply soon.
Regards
Sarah
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Hello my name is Carmel I see your message that your grandfather was a Gleeson I am related to this family .