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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: Timetraveller77 on Saturday 28 November 09 05:54 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to define some details about my ancestor John Currie (yes I know there are a lot).
Specifically my John Currie is born abt 1819 Rothesay Bay, Isle of Bute. Died 25 Feb 1886 Ardbeg Farm, Rothesay Bay, Isle of Bute.
First marriage May 1841 Ardbeg Farm to: Margaret Sproul born abt 1824 Paisley, Renfrewshire. Died abt 1869
(Possible) Second marriage 1872 Parish of North Bute to: Agnes Barr (of Cranslag Loan (spelling?).
From previous family research we have John's parents as John Currie (prob born Ardbeg Farm) and Janet Campbell.
And their children were (including John Currie (jnr):
Daniel Currie b. 1821
William Currie b. 1823
Margaret Currie b. 1825
Archibald Currie b. 1827 d. Nov 28 1912 Otago, New Zealand
Alexander Currie b. 1831
Duncan Currie b. 1833
Janet Currie b. abt 1839 (?)
Now I have some new conflicting data that shows John Curries parents may be Elizabeth Currie and John Currie, and his paternal grandparents John Currie and Isabell McKinnan (from Campbelltown, Argyll).
Is someone able to
1. tell me John Currie's correct parentage and grandparentage please?
2. give me some dob or deaths and marriage dates for the parents and grandparents.
Much obliged if anyone can help. I am happy to share info about the Curries that I have, as a few ended up in NZ (where I was born and raised).
Cheers J
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hi J :)
looking at freeCEN website
1841 ardbeg farm rothesay bute the currie family are -
john 54 farmer b. bute
jannet 43 b. outside county census
john(jun) 22 , william 16 , margaret 14 , archibald 12 , alexander 10 ,
duncan 8 , ann 5 , jannet 5 months(all born bute)
1851 census(freeCEN) john currie(jun.) seems to be in charge of ardbeg farm
his mother janet 52 is noted as widowed and born kilfinnan argyllshire
this census entry is over 2 pages
1861 & 1871 census are also on freeCEN , john widowed in 1871
ev
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some submitted entries on IGI has marriage -
john currie and janet campbell 2nd april 1818 rothesay bute
janet currie(nee campbell) looks to be alive in 1861 at shore street north bute
age 62 farmers widow born kilfinan argyllshire , with son duncan age 27 ,
and daughter janet age 20
ev
bit about ardbeg farm here but i think this is probably later -
http://www.butesonsanddaughters.co.uk/farmsag.shtml
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Hello ev,
thanks heaps for your info that you found. I checked out the website FreeCen, and haven't had any luck finding the records you found for the Currie family ???
is there some trick to searching on that site?? I have many other ancestors in Scotland I would like to try to find, and so far have had no luck :(
Thanks again. Oh that Buteshire website was already on my list, but as you say it is more general. Great read tho!
J
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hi J
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
on the search page on freeCEN
year - 1841
surname - currie
first name - john
age - 54
age or year range - exact
on the right hand side of the search page
street - ardbeg farm
then press find
this should give you one entry
press show household
if you go back to the search page change the year to 1851 put in the same thing as the 1841 but put the age in as 32(this is john currie junior)
again 1 result should come up
if you view the household page press next household at top or bottom of page
to show the rest of the family
the 1861 is same as before but john currie(junior) is now 42
to find his mother in 1861 enter janet currie age 62 and address shore street
ev
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Hi J
John Currie and Margaret Sproul were my great-grandparents on my paternal grandmother's side. My grandmother, their daughter Jane Sproul Currie was born at Ardbeg Farm on 1st January 1858.
I'd be intrigued to know which branch of the family you're on as I only discovered the New Zealand link after reading your post. I'm not sure whether it's OK to post email addresses here so I'll wait for a reply before doing so.
Kind regards
David
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Hi Dave,
nice to meet a fellow Currie relative, albeit fairly distant. From what I understand it is a no-no to post your private email addresses. And I think you need to have more than one "post" up your sleeve before you can PM (personally message) someone. I will have a go at sending you a PM in the coming week (bit busy with my day job at the mo sadly).
Chat soon, regards J
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No problem J
Just if you get a chance any info you have prior to John Currie senior on the Currie branch of the family would be a great help. If there's any info I can help you with please let me know.
Regards
David
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Hi everyone.
Not sure how much help this is but John Currie born abt 1820 Ardbeg was a widower when he married my GT GT Grandmother in 1872. Her name at the time was Agnes Barr, her husband James Barr having died approx 1868. Her maiden name was Crawford and she was born abt 1830 Kilwinning Ayrshire.
Agnes had 5 children with James including my GT Grandmother Janet Montgomery Barr who eventually migrated to NZ.
John and Agnes Currie had a daughter Agnes in 1876.
From the records I have accessed it appears the Barrs, Crawfords and Currie's developed a number of family ties over the generations.
Janet must have lived at or frequently visited Ardbeg as a young child before moving into Rothesay and then migrating to NZ. My father spoke of her reminisences, and I believe he visited Ardbeg when he toured the UK and Europe in the 1950's.
Sue
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Hello welcome to Rootschat 'pania' :)
'Timetraveller 77', I see no mention of a will here. There's a 5 page will - most of which will be legalese, but hopefully will give some info, available from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - cost £5.00 - put in a 'cart' and purchase - do not buy 'credits'.
If you were to buy 'your' John Curries death entry which is available for download from the same site it should hopefully clarify who his parents and wives were. A minimum of £6.00 buys 30 'credits'. which in turn allows for the download of up to 5 bmds/census reords (copies not transcriptions).
Regards, Steve
CURRIE JOHN 31/03/1886 FARMER, ARDBEG, ROTHESAY, D. 25/02/1886 AT ARDBEG AFORESAID, INTESTATE INVENTORY ROTHESAY SHERIFF COURT SC8/35/20
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Hello Pania and Steve,
thanks for adding to the thread. It all helps lead a clearer path.
Firstly to Pania, wow, so you are related to me by marriage it seems. I should tell you I know of another BARR faction in my tree that ended up in NZ. John CURRIES son William, who married a Mary BARR (of Eskacraggan Farm, Rothesay) paid for Mary's half sister Susan BARR and her husband John / 2 dau's to come to NZ as well. Generous fellow indeed. They all settled in Canterbury and Christchurch; Is that where your ancestors went too?
I have no doubt that the BARRs and CURRIEs have married across generations, especially on the Isle of Bute. If you want any of my records/files let me know. But given that we are only barely related it may not be relevant to your research. The offer is there all the same, so if you want it, let me know and I will PM you to get your email address.
Steve, thanks for letting me know about the Will. That could prove very useful. I have pretty much based John's parentage on Census records thus far, which are still pretty much rock solid. But if I need to clarify it I can now view the Will as well. So thanks for the tips.
Cheers Janine
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Hi Janine
I think I am in overload. :o.Yesterday I was in contact with a lady who is the gt granddaughter of Mary Barr who married William Currie of Ardbeg in 1865 and set off for NZ in that year. Mary born 1841 was the daughter of Thomas Barr and Jean McArthur . Thomas Barr (Eskacraggan) later married Janet Crawford who was Agnes Crawfords sister (Agnes married James Barr - Thomas' brother, and then John Currie - Williams father).
To further confuse things John Curries son John born 1845 married an Agnes Barr in 1882. This Agnes Barr was almost certainly the daughter of Thomas and Janet of Eskacraggan. One of their children was named Thomas Barr Currie.
Susan Barr and James Barr, both children of Thomas and Janet Barr (Eskacraggan) also migrated to Christchurch NZ.
Janet Montgomery Barr migrated to Christchurch. I had the impression she made the trip alone but it sounds like she had plenty of friends/family to greet her. I'm not sure when she left Rothesay (maybe after John Currie died?) as the NZ shipping records are fairly haphazard and I haven't found any definite record of her stopping in Australia. She married John Cunningham McLean in 1897 "in the house of Mrs James Barr" and one of the witnesses was "A. Currie, dressmaker".
At this point I think I've had enough of the Barr's and Curries so I might give your kind offer of more information a miss unless you have anything on James Barr (Thomas' younger brother) or Thomas' parents William Barr and Susan Simpson.
If you are interested in the Mary Barr line please PM me and I will ask her if she would like to be in contact with you
Regards
Sue
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Hi Sue (sorry I called you Pania earlier!),
I see I made a mistake in my "story" too. The William CURRIE you and I have mentioned that married Mary Barr is in fact John CURRIE (Snr's) GRANDSON. oops. Either way you know all those facts pretty well, so probably no need to confuse things further with adding my lineage to it :).
I wouldn't mind knowing who the Gt Granddaughter of William and Mary is that contacted you though, so if you could PM me with that info, I'd appreciate it, thanks.
I might need your "tree" too to decipher the Barr/Currie/Crawford crossovers. I see what you mean about overload .Ha.
Thanks again,
Janine
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Hi Janine
Unfortunately I don't have an email for the gt granddaughter of Mary Barr as we have contacted each other via ancestry.co.uk. I have sent her another message letting her know there might be interesting information on rootschat.com.
At the moment my online family tree (on Ancestry) is very basic and doesn't go back very far and only includes the direct line with no siblings etc. Do you want access? All the details of the Barr and Crawford families are on a piece of paper, and I only have details of the Currie's as they impact on the Barr family.
Will try to put in order so that it can be followed logically and will then let you know
Regards
Sue
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Hi Janine
Are you sure about your 'mistake'. Wasn't the William that married Mary Barr the son of John Currie (Senior) ie the one born around 1819, or are you taking the John Currie (1785) as the Senior?
Regards
David
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Hi Sue. Ok I will wait and see if this person contacts me via RootsChat then. Thanks.
And no worries about that tree. As I say it was only out of interest that I wanted to view the connections. If you get something sorted then thats cool, but otherwise, there is no rush. Cheers.
Hi David,
yes I am sure about the William Currie who migrated to NZ. William was born 1846 and married Mary Barr in 1865 (the same yr they migrated). William's parents were John Currie (Jnr. b. 1819) and Margaret Sproul. His Grandfather was John Currie (Snr b. 1787) and grandmother was Janet Campbell.
As usual the continuation of family names has us all getting muddled up! Ha.
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Hello again Sue (if you're still watching this one)
I have quite a bit of new info for James BARR, brother to Thomas BARR. If you are interested, let me know and I will PM you with it all.
Or alternatively I can post it here, for others to view...
Cheers, Janine
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Sue,
I re-read your blurb about the Barr's and Curries.
I hope you are still open to getting new information for the families because I have a family member in NZ who has clarified that the Janet Montgomery BARR who emigrated to Christchurch NZ is in fact the daughter of James BARR and Agnes CRAWFORD.
Janet was their youngest child, born 1866 North Bute.
She married John Cunningham MCLEAN on the 27 Dec 1897 (date source: BDM NZ historical site).
I have kindly been given a copy of the book "The Farmers of Bute", written by William B Martin in 1951. He was the grandson of William Barr Jnr (brother to James Barr above) and Rebecca Duncan. This book mentions a lot of the family's of Bute, including his ancestors and some of their personality traits. It's quite cool.
I also have a copy of a burial book for Bute cemeteries, and I can tell you that James Barr is buried in St Colmacs Cemetery, North Bute. He died 25 Sept 1868, age 55.
I have more info as I previously said, so just let me know if you want it.
Hope that helps you out.
Cheers Janine
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Hi
It is nice to see this posting. We are in the process of tracking down our currie Ancestors.
Yesterday we got my wife 2nd great grandmothers death record which confirmed her parents.
She was Jane Currie with the parents of William Currie and Jane McKeown. The arrive in christchurch, New Zealand in 1862 on the Queen of the Mersey.
Today I was in the library in the history part trying to get more information. This is were I came accross a William and Mary Currie burried in the addington cemetery, christchurch.
Christchurch cemeteries are on line at http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/ where you can get the other details.
We are still trying to find the deatils of her 3rd great as they came to NZ as well on the came ship.
All the best
John
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Hi. Is anyone still following this thread.
I’ve been recently researching the Currie’s on Bute (as my wife is one) and found this thread.
I have info on John Currie, Tacksman of Ardbeg and his wife Margaret Black, his son John Currie and wife Janet Campbell, and his son John Currie and 1st wife Margaret Sproul.
My wife’s line is the third John’s son, Robert W Currie b1853.
Please do get in touch if you would like to share further info.
Thanks