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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: gordon44 on Saturday 28 November 09 18:27 GMT (UK)
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hello to everyone , first post on rootschat.
been tracing my family tree quite successfully back with scotlandspeople , but am now at a sticking point. now i'm not sure if it's me or the old parish records but here is where i have got back to.
to clarify the people i am looking for are
donald mclaren (kenmore parish) and mary mclaren(comrie parish) married at killin on 13th june 1802. found them and their subsequent marriage from their son's death certificate of 1867 at dalveich , lochearnhead.
and secondly archibald mclaren and margaret king (both balquidder parish)married 14th january 1797 , found them from their daughter's death certificate of 1867 at dalveich , lochearnhead.
the above 2 deaths in 1867 were within 30 days, and are recorded as no medical attendant or not certified , however by chance a listing on the same web page at dalveich a day later from one of them states scarlet fever.
any information or help would be appreciated. gordon
p.s if any help the archibald mclaren is on the death certificate as a tailor to trade.
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Hello
Welcome to Rootschat. As I'm sure you're aware - you're searching in McLaren country.
A cursory search of the IGI - www.familysearch.org brings up 10 children for Archibald amd Margaret:
1. JOHN MCLAREN -Ch: 29 APR 1798 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
2. ROBERT MCLAREN - Ch: 22 DEC 1799 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
3. JANET MCLAREN - Ch: 10 OCT 1802 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
4, ARCHIBALD MCLAREN - Ch: 04 NOV 1804 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
5. JANET MCLAREN - Ch: 12 MAY 1807 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
6. DUNCAN MCLAREN - Ch 10 SEP 1809 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
7. MARGRET MCLAREN - Ch: 17 JUL 1812 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
8. MARGARET MCLAREN - Ch: 27 OCT 1814 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
9. WILLIAM MCLAREN - Ch: 20 SEP 1818 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
10. DONALD MCLAREN - Ch: 28 JAN 1821 Balquhidder, Perth, Scotland
I'm not related - my wife was born in Killin though. What information are you looking for?
Regards, Steve :O)
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hello steve
just trying really to see how far i can get back. the archibald mclaren and margaret king that i have are on their daughter's death certificate of 1867 , but her name was catharine. could not find her birth , but her death certificate states her as being 58 , putting her being born about 1808/9. i can only presume i have the wrong archibald and margaret , via scotlandspeople (only 1 couple being listed at balquidder parish, within 15 years in perthshire prior to catharine's birth) or their were more children than is listed.
the names of all of them , duncan , donald , archibald , john etc are all common to my family tree , but they were common names at the time.
will have a look at familysearch and see if i can find anything. thanks gordon
p.s tried archibald and margaret in family search wth a + or - 20 years for scotland , and still only 1 , the same as i found on scotlandspeople. looks like the old parish records , missing / partly lost etc.
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Hello again,
Yes an awkwardv one. We all get them. Did your Catherine marry? Is there an OPR for her. Sometimes as you know a fathers name and occ. can be on it, although it's usually an 'of this parish'....
Also do you have her o the '41,51 and 61 census.
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hi steve,
have seen all 3 census , 1841 , 51 , 61 on scotlandspeople and catharine who marries a donald mclaren (see first post) is listed at dalveich , lochearnhead across this time . i looked on the 1871 census not finding them, hence finding the death certificates for both in 1867 , confirming both sets of parents names. their eldest son donald(again) is my direct link , he is my g/g grandfather born 1838 , he is listed on his mother's death certificate being at dundurn , comrie ( about 2 miles away) , and his brother archibald on his father's certificate as being at ardveich (about 1/4 mile away) , both these two sons being named after their grandfathers. their were two other sons duncan and john , and a daughter mary.
seems more than coincidental only finding 1 archibald mclaren and margaret king , but cannot confirm. statutory records after 1855 are easy compared to OPR's.
i only have 3 generations incl myself for the 20th century , and 3 for the 19th taking me back to the 1808/9 period , a few of my ancestors not marrying until their early 30's.
have traced back and have photos of houses where they stayed back to 1872. my line were at lochearnhead , then glenartney , then port of menteith , then callendar , then meikleour. although some of these places are now in stirlingshire , they used to be in perthshire , so we never left perthshire.
quite happy though with what i have , and if i cannot get back any further , well that's ok.
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Hi - Are you looking for any paticular McLaren's from Callander, mine go back to Archibald McLaren 1710 Callander, most of mine are either Callander or Kenmore...would be interesting to know your lines in Callander ;D
Regards patvp
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sorry patvp
my line only stayed at Callandar , a short time at a farm called lagrannoch , now part of an industrial estate/housing. the part of my line who were their were my g/g grandfather donald and his family , however none were born here , his sons were born at port of monteith and the daughters at glenlednock , comrie. their were no surprises in my line , all are either shepherds , crofters or farm labourers on the various certificates i have for them.
you'll have the same names likely within your line .............with different generations
donald , duncan , john , archibald , peter
catharine , mary , jane (jessie) , elizabeth etc
the ancestors will meet someplace back with your line and mine , with balquidder , comrie , kenmore , killin , all west perthshire , and all really within walking or horseback distance.
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Hello again,
I see that in all of Scotland - 1855 to 1900 there was only 1 Margaret Mclaren - other name King death - in 1861 in Perthshire - is she yours?
Regards, Steve . :O)
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sorry steve
the margaret mclaren , nee king that i am looking for would have to had been born about 1770? i received her name from her daughter's death certificate (catharine) of 1867 , who was 58 at this time.
the margaret mclaren(king) you found was only born 1803 and died 1861.
thanks , will just have to plod away , and see what turns up. gordon
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re Archibald Mclaren and Margaret King , have found success.
from the list of births that you gave me steve , i looked up some of their deaths. found john the eldest died in 1877 at auchraw, lochearnhead (comrie parish) on 26th august 1877 , he was single.
also found william , the second youngest he died on 21st october 1893 at ardveich , lochearnhead , he was married to a mary beattie , his son william registering his father's death.
Auchraw and Ardveich are less than 1/2 a mile apart.
both john and william's certificates give the correct parents names , and most importantly it lists the father as being a crofter on john's death certificate , but on william,s as being a tailor to trade.
this ties up on my catherine's death certificate as it clearly states her father's occupation as a tailor.
so their was at least 1 more child to the 10 that you listed steve. many thanks for your help gordon :)
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found another son of Archibald Mclaren and Margaret King
their son Archibald married a Catherine Buchanan , and they were at Dualt , Killearn , Stirlingshire on his death in 1878. yet again it lists his father as a tailor to trade.
the second youngest son William , born 1818 , who married a Mary Beattie , i found them buried at the cemetery at Leckine , Lochearnhead. his son also William married an Isabella Lamb , both also buried at Leckine. their children are also buried here with the youngest Margaret, who never married being the last Mclaren to be buried here in 1993 , she was 92.
Margaret lived at Briar Cottage (formerly Easter Auchraw), lochearnhead . this cottage has been restored by the present owners and historic scotland , at Lochearnhead , and is quite distinctive with it's thatched roof.
i have all paperwork , going back from margaret's birth back to clarifying on her grandfather's death , her great grandparents Archibald Mclaren and Margaret King , my g/g/g/g/g/ grandparents.
it gets quite complicated when you go back to one small area. gordon
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hiya Gordon
I have a pic of the interior of Briar cottage .... have you seen it?
I have just been reading the History of Clan Labhram - I know you have it too! Plenty on the Achleskine McLarens.
I have 6 separate McLaren lines from Balquhidder so I am sure we must be related somehow! I also have Stewart ancestors from Auchraw aka Achra. AND King ancestors from Balquhidder ......
I just discovered one line of McLaren ancestors at Invernenty so am excited about looking into that - You'll know the history about one of them being murdered by Rob Roy's son and another escaping capture after Culloden (as mentioned in Redgauntlet by Walter Scott) and the famous eviction. I'd like to see your stuff in tree form sometime - ?
Cheers
Val
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hi val
yes i have seen the interior of briar cottage , i think the ancestors way back would not have had it as easy or modern , i guess it would have been very basic.
as to the family tree , i have concentrated mainly on my direct line back. i have my g/ g grandfather's family complete , he was the one who made the moves from lochearnhead , to glenartney , to glenlednock , to portof monteith , to callander and then to meikleour , all in perthshire at that time.
all the usual names are their , donald , john , duncan , archibald , peter , catherine , mary , margaret.
not really branched outwards , from the main line much , how far do you go?
if you are related to kings , mcintyres , mclarens (i have mclarens marrying mclarens , twice , from that area , kenmore , comrie , balquidder)
we will i'm quite sure be related.
usual problem now in going further back from the post i listed with archibald mclaren and margaret king , opr's and a very small area now .
i did find that the census records of 1841, 51, 61 etc , along with the death certificates were the most useful , in gathering info.
guess what i have will be more basic than you have , but if their is any part , or related to a certain farm , area that you are looking for , fire away , i can only look. gordon
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Hi Gordon - Don't know if you can help me with this one..may be involved somewhere.
1861 census - POM, with Alexander McKay are Catherine McLaren dob 1805 Kenmore and Daniel McLaren 1791 Kenmore both listed as brother and sister in law of Alexander, the wife of Alex was Margaret McLaren born 22 Jul 1800 Kenmore, parents (if I have the right ones) John McLaren and Elizabeth McPherson, the only children I can find for this couple are Janet, Ann, Margaret (of course) and Elizabeth, so am unable to see the connection with Catherine and Daniel....Hope this makes sense... maybe you have a connection within your lot...???
Regards Patvp
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hi patvp
it's the kenmore line that i am interested in too. not got much on them at all , but will keep on trying. donald mclaren , kenmore parish and mary mclaren comrie parish married in 1802 are my direct ancestors. i seem to be struggling pre 1800 . i think a trip up to the kenmore and killin cemeteries , may help. will do this when the weather improves , snow here just now.
will note all mclaren stones their , and post what i find here , it may help someone.
gordon :)
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Hello fellow McLaren searchers
This is my first post but I am very keen to chat to any members looking at pre 1800 McLaren's from this area. I have traced back to John McLaren 1797 to 1858 and wife Elizabeth Morison 1801 to ? my GGGgrandparents from Garrichrew & Comrie
They had children Peter 1822 to 1880 married Mary Dow 1828 to 1908 - my GGgrandies
Isabella 1824, James 1828, John 1830, Janet 1834, Jesse 1832, Alexander 1834, Daniel 1835, Colin 1837, Margaret 1839 and Susan 1841 - very busy. I gleaned most of this from 1851 and 1861 census
I believe Alexander married a Margaret McIldowie 1837 to 1915.
Would love to hear from anyone who may be able to help shed more light on these people and maybe their ancestors. Would be over the moon to prove a 4Ggrandparent.
Wishing you all a prosperous new year
Regards John McLaren 1950
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hello johnmax
was looking back my searches that i had on scotlandspeople , hope this helps. was looking for a john mclaren , but the record that i was looking at was not one related to me. however as you know when looking at SP you get 3 deaths on one page. one of them is one of your ancestors.
James McLaren died 2nd December 1878 , age 54. his parents were John McLaren and Elizabeth McLaren (m.s. Morrison) , both parents being deceased on his certificate.
James is listed as being single and as a slater to trade , also his father's trade is a slater.
the death was registered by Alexander his brother , his address being Burrell Street , Comrie
have found that if you have a specific trade for someone it makes tying things up easier. cheers gordon ;)
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Hello all...My first post, and am very new at all the research! My father and grandfather gave me all their research notes before passing away, so I am needing assistance..
I am at a sticking point and would love some help..
I am looking for the ancestors of Donald M. McLaren, Balquhidder, Perthshire, b. 1720-d. 1780. He married Elizabeth Stewart, Stewart of Stratgarry (b. 1720 d. 1743). This is the Donald who fought w/ the Jacobites in 1745 at Culloden. I have no records beyond Donald. ANy help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Lori
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hello lori
it gets very complicated before 1800 with old parish records. if it is donald maclaren of invernenty, that you are looking for contact the clan mclaren society in scotland. ref this site.
http://www.clanmaclarensociety.com/
their records will be second to none for donald of invernenty. to give you a small insight in to my family tree i have 5 donald mclarens in my direct lineage.
i take it you are related to the mclarens of the brudenell island area. if you have more info post away , it may be of interest to someone , even a small part.
creag an tuirc gordon mclaren :)
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Yup! Proud decendant of Brudenell Pioneers-specifically, James M. McLaren and Belle (isabelle) MacDonald. When I was a kid, growing up in Maine, we went to PEI often, and one of our trips was to the Brudenell area. Wish I knew then what I know now!!
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hi lori
my line never got out of perthshire , balquidder being only about 45 miles away from blairgowrie where i stay. for me it's when you get down to individual farms and houses , still in existence at lochearnhead , it makes all the searching worthwhile. my g/ grandfather was the last member of our family to speak gaelic in our line , he died in 1958 , i wish that had not been lost. all the best for 2010. gordon
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Hello.
I am the present owner of Briar Cottage(Which was called Easter Achraw until Isabella McLaren renamed it in 1900). We live in the B listed restored longhouse and have a stone holiday cottage on the grounds. Our website www.stayatbriar.co.uk does have a picture of the thatched cottage in the gallery and some in my blog on the site. I just noticed your post from November last year. I have a booklet from the Maclaren society that mentions 200 years of the McLarens that lived in this house. I was visited by the niece of the last lady to live here and she recently provided more information about her aunts and uncles. The booklet names Archibald and Margaret Kings birth and marriage dates plus information on their six sons and 3 daughters. It discusses the migration of the McLarens from Lochearnside including Dalveich, Wester and Easter Achraw. I am happy to share anything that I can(even though I am Clan Donald by birth). There is an old McLaren burial site at Leckine where some of your ancestors are buried. Also, try www.clanmaclarensociety.com. Email me at (*) with any specific queries ,names and dates if I can help Archibald bSept 1761, d 1840's m 14 jan 1797 to Margaret King b 4 Feb 1776 d 1840's
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Gordon just noticed your query re Catherine. Archibald and Margaret King had a daughter Catherine who died 21 jan 1867. Her sister Margaret married a John Bain and they had 6 children one of them being called Catherine. This Catherine married Donald McLaren and they settled in Dalviech and had 3 sons, Donald Archibald and Duncan. The 2nd Catherine was born 8 sept 1842 .
Kim
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Hi there,
I was drawn to your thread because I too have got missing Brown/Ferguson records for Thornhill in the late 1700's and today I learnt from Stirling archives that their unpublished Perthshire records do include for Thornhill but not the era I'm interested in.
Apologies if you've already done this but have you thought to look on the National Archives of Scotland website:
http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
There's over 900 results for just McLaren; but you can cut that down to a manageable result by adding an extra word - e.g. (in find all words) McLaren Killin got 14 results - one of which is below:
<<Petition of Donald McLaren, son of Duncan McLaren, villager in Killin, soldier in Captain Duncan Campbell's company of the second battalion, which is to go to Dumfries the next day, soliciting to be exchanged into the first battalion, being aged only 16 and with none of his parish born companions with him>>
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Thanks Easterachraw for the pics!
I am descended from Stewarts from Wester Achraw (any pics of that?) and Mclarens from Invernenty and Craigrui..... also McFarlanes and Kings and Mcgregors from Balquhidder.
Great job on restoring the cottage.
Val
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Hello, I dont have pictures however the old cottages along the road on the A85 (now Castleview) were part of the Achraw crofting area and there is a road up the back with name Wester Achraw. A house positioned on this map shows Wester Achraw house in that area. Achraw Brae is now modern houses but on the old achraw farming land. You will see our holiday Cottage Little Briar" pinpointed on the map and the old thatched cottage in front of it. Old maps spell Achraw as Achra
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=wester%20achraw&oq=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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hello and thanks to easterachraw , rena and valr , more information and more steps in my family tree. i will be joining the mclaren clan society shortly , because they obviously have a considerable amount of knowledge , regarding mclaren ancestors.
i take it the book you have easterachraw is the last maclarens of ardveich by Dr A A McLaren , which i saw on their website. the catherine mclaren who died in jan 1867 was my g/g/g grandmother , her death being registered by Donald McLaren her son , who was at Dundurn farm , east of lochearnhead at this time. this donald was the one who made all the moves with his family , until ultimately coming to Meikleour estate about 1890.
the catherine bain who married another donald mclaren , coincidentally! has the same names for her sons as her aunt catherine.
many thanks again for your help , i have a lot of travelling to do in western perthshire over the summer , it'll keep me busy. gordon :)
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No Gordon. The booklet that you want to ask for is called "Migrating MacLarens" A study of families leaving Lochearnhside 1761-1901. The authors were Marcia Margaret MacLaren and Archibald Allan MacLaren who were related to the families of this house. Ask the society for a copy.
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thanks easterachraw again for your help. with the date you gave for Archibald McLaren's birth of 4th march 1761 , have his parents names from familysearch IGI search. John McLaren and Catharine McLaren , marrying 21st April 1758.
also the date for Margaret King's birth of 4th february 1776 , her parents names.
John King and Janet McLaren, marrying 14th November 1772.
gordon
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i also have been researching this family for along but i can't find much out. all i know is that my ggg grandfather was james mclaren b c1824 in comrie perthshire scotland and that he married a elizabeth alney from dorset england, that is all i know can you or anyone else help?
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sorry clover 10 , all my male line names are either donald , john , duncan , archibald , peter or 1 malcolm. what paperwork have you re James , death certificate / marriage etc.
looked on IGI on familysearch , and their are many james mclarens in or around the 1824 timeframe, within 5 years. where did he die , as the death certificate records are usually better than the birth for information. gordon
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Hi Clover 10, I have a James bd 1828 Comrie dd 1878. He is a brother of Peter McLaren ( bd 1822, married to Mary Dow 1828 ) Their parents were John McLaren 1797 and Elizabeth Morison 1801. This is all I know about James. I have his grandparents and I am still trying to get back any further.
Cheers, John McLaren
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hi Clover can you give us more info? I cant find a James born in Comrie around that time but there are a couple of candidates in Balquhidder. What were the childrens names in birth order? Where did you get Comrie from? Also where did the couple live and marry, do you know?
Val
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johnmax
i'm sorry but i am not certain if he was the brother but i do know that is father was john b c1797 i scotland mother unknown
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First post, and a hi to Gordon, a distant cousin.
We go back to Archibald the tailor and Margaret King though the Williams (1818, 1866 1895 and 1924 and 1975). Are away from all our research stuff just now but remember your ancestors dying so closely together and the Donald in Dundurn and Archibald in Ardveich. Couldn't get back beyond Catherine and John in Carnlia with their Archibald born there in 1761.
Hope for more later. Any sign of the Duncan (1809) or Donald (1821)?
archieam
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hi archieam , no sign of those two yet , but they may turn up . will leave a personal message for you to contact me via e mail address. i take it you are in the clan maclaren society? the booklet that i have from them , migrating maclarens is very good , confirming much of the information that i had.
gordon
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thanks Gordon.
For some reason can't access the PM just now. Will reply as soon as have.
Have been wanting to visit Carnlia one summer. Maybe this year - does anyone have links to it apart from thro' Archibald and Mgt King?
archieam
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archieam :)
think you have to have 3 posts before you can access PM's
ev
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thanks ev . Maybe will get used to it all soon - seems very promising !
archieam
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I also have a McLaren that I can't find any info on.
Her name is Janet and she married Archibald Carmichael.
They had 2 children that I have found a Duncan born 1784 in Easter Tulich, Perthshire,died 1862 Barraanach, Ardtalnaig, Perthshire, and a Janet born 1788 in Kenmore.
Can anyone link these to their trees or have any other information?
What happened with the previous post re checking tombstones?? Any luck?
Margaret
in Canada
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hello margaret
still intending to go round the various cemeteries , their are quite a number in the area . have you seen this website it includes some from kenmore church.
http://www.fife.50megs.com/Clan%20MacLaren%20Tour%20of%20Scotland/index.htm
gordon
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Thanks Gordon. I will have a look! It seems like my Carmichaels and Mclarens were an elusive lot. :'(
Margaret
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Found Donald McLaren and Mary McLaren who married in June 1802 , at Killin.
tried IGI search on familysearch , and tried under Maclaren , and here they were. children Malcolm b 1803 , janet 1805 , peter 1809 , and another no forename 1808. from this info, and scotlandspeople, they were born at camuschuraich / now cambusurich , and croftnafeonaig / now croftfeunaig , between killin and ardeonaig , south shore of loch tay.
have malcolm's death certificate copy from 1880 , at Ardveich , lochearnhead , so ties up ok.
gordon
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hello margthom
i had a look to see where easter tulloch was on loch tay , as i was not sure. it is between Ardeonaig and Ardtalnaig on the south shore of the loch. try this site for some great pics of the area.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=13773387
i recall looking at a website where it stated that their were 14 mclaren families on the south shore alone. i have a line that goes to Cammusurich , south of Ardeonaig , but slightly later in time. Gordon
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Hi I am the great neice of the Margaret Maclaren that was the last maclaren owener of Briar cottag. I had many holidays with my aunt there, boating at the lochside. My father was the author of the book (a allan maclaren) It is strange to see the photos of it now. I have photos of the cottage when my aunt peg stayed there. I wish you all well in finding your family trees
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hello jane , you will be descended from william mclaren born in 1818 then. i am descended from his older sister catharine born 1808/9. she married a donald mclaren in 1837. i have so far in my family tree 3 pairs of mclarens marrying each other !
yes the cottage will be certainly different from even the 70's and 80's now. remember as a child going on holidays at an aunt's , with the old black range cooker in the kitchen , takes me back.
here is a photo attached of about 1906 , with presumably mclaren children outside. gordon
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Hi Gordon
thank you so much for photo, it look just as i remember it in the 70,s and 80,s, strange to think we both went to visit the same aunt all those years ago. Do you also remember Aunt Mary and Aunt Ruby that were neighbours of Aunt peg!! From what I can remember Aunt Peg (who lived in Briar cottage) was born in 1900 she never married, her brother William was my grandfather. I do have pictures of both my aunt and the cottage but will have to find them and put them on the computer if you are interested.
Jane
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sorry jane
the aunt i'm referring to was on an estate at crieff , (she was on my mother's side)i was just meaning their would be similarities in the internal layout. i have just recently been doing the research with my family tree , and have gotten back to easter achra , dalveich , and ardveich area.
apologies for the misunderstanding again.
gordon
p.s glad you like the photo jane , if you put another post on then you can put a personal message to me with your e mail address , i would like to be able to see the cottage as it was before refurbishment , if you have photos. it would also be nice to correspond with a distant cousin. i have photos of my g/grandfather etc , and they have what you would say the distinct "mclaren" look.
yours gordon mclaren , blairgowrie
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found this on the opr for balquidder for 1728 in searching for mclarens. my ancestors listed are on the 5th May Robert & Margaret Mclaren had their son baptised John.
Not just this that was interesting look at the 21st May and it has a couple ? not easy to read , but as servants to Rob Roy.
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found this on the opr for balquidder for 1728 in searching for mclarens. my ancestors listed are on the 5th May Robert & Margaret Mclaren had their son baptised John.
Not just this that was interesting look at the 21st May and it has a couple ? not easy to read , but as servants to Rob Roy.
Gordon, how amazing! I didn't know much about Rob Roy and found this on Wikipedia:
"Balquhidder (Scottish Gaelic: Both Chuidir)..............The MacLarens acquired the district as early as the 9th century and occupied it for several hundred years until forced to share the area by the MacGregors, a neighbouring clan, who had repeatedly raided their lands, and, in 1558 slew the chief and many of his followers. Balquhidder was the scene of some of the exploits of Rob Roy, who died there in 1734. The local kirkyard is his final resting place, his grave marked with the appropriately defiant motto 'MacGregor Despite Them'. He lies with the remains of his wife and two sons, the graves marked by three flat stones. One of these is contemporary, but the remaining two are re-used medieval grave monuments".
This is of interest as my 4xgreat grandparents, Janet McLaren and John Carmichael married in Balquidder on 3 June 1769. Unfortunately I know nothing else about Janet.
Margaret :)
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Not just this that was interesting look at the 21st May and it has a couple ? not easy to read , but as servants to Rob Roy.
LOL so laughed when I read that "servants of Rob Roy gotten in fornication had a child baptised John" Trust the clergy! ::)
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Hi there,
I have Peter McLaren or McLaron marrying Mary Taylor in 1780, Methven, Perthshire and their daughter Mary born 1787, anyone?
Best wishes, Jimmijam
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Hi everyone
I have a Katherine Mclaren married to a Archibald Clark in 1809 Killin. I got the information fom Janet Clark (daughter) death cert. Katherines parents were James Mclaren & Katherine Thomson. Anybody got them in your family?
Thanks.
Suz
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hi smcb
think i have something re your Clarks and McLarens . been looking back your posts and you refer to Cloichran , south side of Loch Tay. i have a Donald McLaren marrying a Mary Mclaren at Killin in 1802 , their children were born at Croftfeunaig and Cambusurich , the eldest being Malcolm born 1803.
Now assuming scottish naming protocol is correct Donald's father should be a Malcolm too. i have found a Donald born at Cloichran , to a Malcolm McLaren and Kath Crosby , and baptised on 18 November 1782.
Looking at old maps all 3 places , Cloichran , Cambusurich and Croftfeunaig are all within 600/800 metres of each other.
Coincidence maybe? very close though. could your Catharine McLaren , be named after her mother Kath Crosby. I take it your Catherine born between 1780/88?
can e mail you OPR for 18th Nov 1782 , Cloichran , if you leave me a PM , with your email address. yours Gordon
see this link for a picture of Cloichran.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/78477
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Can anyone help with any information on a James McLaren born 1863 in Amulree, nr Dunkeld? Went to London as a boy. Why did he leave his parents so young? Father name is James (as was so common). I cannot trace back further.
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Suz
I have noticed that in Killin OPRs Clerk/Clark is often written as Nclerich or Ncleric or Mclerich when you get back into the 18th century - I think the "N" was used when it was a female child. Might help in your searches!
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Thought i would put a map to show where Cloichran is at Loch Tay. ;)
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Hi Patvp,
My first posting. I note that you are interested in McLarens in Callander. I have a Christian McLaren born in Callander about 1787 she was the ninth child of David McLaren and Janet MacNab who were married on 17th July 1768. The other children of David and Janet that I have were Archibald b1769; Patrick b1770; Robert b1773; Catherine b1775; Elisabeth b1777; James b1779; Jean b1782; and another Archibald b1783. My interest in this Christian McLaren (and I appreciate that there were other Christian McLarens born about this time in Callander) is that she married James Eadie at Aberfoyle in Feb 1816.
Alan Eadie
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Hi Alan
Have you found Christian and James in any censuses?
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Hi Valr,
Not for James - I suspect that he may have died in the Glasgow cholera epidemic in 1832
Yes for Christian. In the 1841 census when she had remarried to a George McLuckie and had two of her Eadie children with her. I also have her death certificate for 23rd August 1863 when she died a pauper in Shettleston.
Alan
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Hi Alan - Sometimes looking for McLarens is like looking for the proverbial needle ;D. My McLarens from Callender are...
Archibald McLaren 1766 Callander son of John McLaren and Helen McQueen.
Archibald himself also married a Helen McQueen in 1796.
Their children...
John McLaren 1797 and James 1799 ..on the 1851 census both with their sister (Margaret) and b-i-l Daniel Ferguson at Rednock Mill.
Marion McLaren 1801 married David Drysdale.
Christian 1803 No info (as yet) :D
Robert 1805 in 1841 listed with Catherine McGregor poss wife ??
Mary 1809 No info.
And of course Margaret 1811 who married Daniel/Donald Ferguson they lived (most of the time Port of Monteith) she died 1882 in Logie Perthshire.
Hope this makes some sense.
Regards Patvp
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Hi Patvp,
Thanks for your details. Yes I am still wildly thrashing the haystack and getting nowhere. There seem to be even more McLarens around than there are Eadies'.
Regards.
Alan
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Hi Gordon
as previously stated
Katharine Mclaren born 24 AUG 1786 in Killin, Perthshire married Archibald Clark 1 JAN 1809 Killin, Perthshire
Her parents: James Mclaren and Katharine Thomson (b.13 JUN 1768 in Kenmore) married 19 june 1785 they also had Alexander Mclaren 17 SEPT 1788 in Killin, Perthshire.
In the 1841 census Katharine & Archibald are staying at Cloichran/Clocheran and Archibald is still there in 1851.
Now you mentioned that you found a
Malcolm Mclaren and Kath Crosby having a daughter Katharine born 1785 Killin.
hi smcb
think i have something re your Clarks and McLarens . been looking back your posts and you refer to Cloichran , south side of Loch Tay. i have a Donald McLaren marrying a Mary Mclaren at Killin in 1802 , their children were born at Croftfeunaig and Cambusurich , the eldest being Malcolm born 1803.
Now assuming scottish naming protocol is correct Donald's father should be a Malcolm too. i have found a Donald born at Cloichran , to a Malcolm McLaren and Kath Crosby , and baptised on 18 November 1782.
Looking at old maps all 3 places , Cloichran , Cambusurich and Croftfeunaig are all within 600/800 metres of each other.
Coincidence maybe? very close though. could your Catharine McLaren , be named after her mother Kath Crosby. I take it your Catherine born between 1780/88?
Now I am really stuck because previously I didnt think she fitted in..but now I definately think she does....cloichran, etc is just sooo close and she may have been one of the mclarens that married Clarks living at Cloichran! I am sure I definately have read about Clarks at this farm but cannot remember where.
any more Idea Gordon?
kind regards
suzie
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Hi;
Am looking for any help on ancestors of:
Colin McLaren-1 was born about 1787 in Lochearnhead, Loch Earn, Perthshire, Scotland. He died in 1860 in Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
Mary Christian 'Christine' Henderson was born about 1784 in Perthshire, Scotland. She died on Unknown in Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
Colin McLaren and Mary Christian 'Christine' Henderson were married on 02 Aug 1806 in Lochearnhead, St. Fillans, Comrie Parish, Loch Earn, Perthshire, Scotland. They had the following children:
i. Donald McLaren was born on 18 Aug 1807 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland.
3. ii. George McLaren was born on 20 May 1809 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland. He married Christena McLaren about 1854 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 21 Jan 1887 in The Derry, Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
4. iii. Peter McLaren was born about 1812 in Perthshire, Scotland. He married Mary Ann McDonald about 1841 in Lanark Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 15 May 1858 in Lanark Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
5. iv. Margaret McLaren was born on 15 Oct 1815 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland. She married Alexander 'Soldier Sandy' Stewart about 1831 in Perthshire, Scotland. She died on 28 Mar 1895 in The Derry, Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
v. Elizabeth McLaren was born about 1816 in Ontario, Canada.
5. vi. Duncan McLaren was born about 1818 in Ontario, Canada. He died in Jun 1897 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He married Margaret McNee on Unknown.
vii. John McLaren was born about 1819 in Ontario, Canada. He died on Unknown.
viii. Colin McLaren was born in Mar 1822 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 17 May 1905 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
6. ix. Mary McLaren was born about 1830 in Ontario, Canada. She died on 27 Oct 1897. She married Daniel McLaren on Unknown.
Thanks
Mark
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Hi Mark
Re your Colin McLaren , could this birth record be him? his parents names , would continue in to his own children's names , as was the naming protocol.
It is dated the 14th November 1784 , and Colin's parents are Colin and Margaret McLaren from Auchra.
If this is the case you will probably be related somehow as i have links to Auchra , my g/g/g/g grandfather Archibald born in 1761 at Carnlia , stayed at Easter Auchra from 1797 in to the 1840's (i have him on the census of 1841) was the local tailor. Carnlia just being above Auchra , Dalveich , Ardveich etc. at Loch Earn.
With reference to Derry , their is also Derry Farm , not far from Auchra on the north shore of Loch Earn.
yours Gordon
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Hi Gordon;
Thankyou very much for the reply.
The baptism cert. may very well be of my Colin McLaren. The date certainly lines up. I'm not a 100% sure.
The name Colin doesn't show up until well down the children lines. Although Margaret is the first daughter. Perhaps there was another son born named Colin that I haven't found yet. As always more research is to be done.
I do know that Colin arrived in Canada in 1818 and was a shoemaker by trade.
Thanks again
Mark
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hi Mark
I have a link for you to look at which you may have seen allready. a website by david mclaren with mclarens to Lanark , Ontario in 1820.
http://david.mclaren.name/
Now , i share 66/67 dna with David , even although his family went to Canada in 1820. If you want to send me your e mail address by personal message i will get in touch , click on my username "gordon44". look at the picture of Peter McLaren 1839 on David's website , i can e mail a pic of my g/g grandfather , scarily similar! gordon
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Cloichran , Loch Tay , as it is now. ruins , but one building used for sheep shelter , lambing etc
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Hi Smcb
re you part in a previous posting .
Now I am really stuck because previously I didnt think she fitted in..but now I definately think she does....cloichran, etc is just sooo close and she may have been one of the mclarens that married Clarks living at Cloichran! I am sure I definately have read about Clarks at this farm but cannot remember where.
here is something to support the theory from the National Archives of Scotland.
this is a widow Clark/Campbell at Cloichran/Clochran. their may well have been other Clarks at this farm.
Reference Title Date
GD112 Papers of the Campbell Family, Earls of Breadalbane (Breadalbane Muniments) 1306-20th century
GD112/11 Petitions from Tenants and Others 1716-1862
Country code GB
Repository code 234
Repository National Archives of Scotland
Reference GD112/11/6/2/14
Title Representation and petition of Christian Clark, widow of Robert Campbell, late of Clochran, to be continued in fourth part of said farm
Dates 6 Nov 1797
hope this off some use. Gordon
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Robert McLaren b 1828, illegitimate to Archibald McLaren, Holeton (?) and Ann Comrie
Baptised July 19, 1828 Fowlis Wester
Looking for further details on the above Robert McLaren and his parents. In particular, details of his mother. I found the above in the OPR.
Thank you in advance.
Liz
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hi Liz , think this could be your family of Comries :)
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Gender: Male Christening: 06 OCT 1805 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
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Gender: Female Christening: 28 FEB 1799 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
5. JANET COMRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 FEB 1795 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
6. ANDREW COMRIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 DEC 1803 Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland
yours gordon
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Hi Gordon,
Thank you for your help. It is much appreciated.
The family you detailed for me are in my Family Tree. I have not been able to find what happened to Ann after she gave birth to my illegitimate ancestor in 1821 and I wonder if she is also the Ann who gave birth to Robert McLaren. The trouble is there is more that one possible Ann Comrie from Fowlis Wester and surrounding district.
I am hoping I can make a breakthrough from researching Robert McLaren but he too is in hiding!
Fingers crossed.
Liz
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Hello,
New on this forum but active on other's!! I've been approached by a lady on another list to see if I could find anything on her husbands family, she knew that his Gt Gt Grannie was a McLaren - and I just knew that I'd end up in Perthshire as my McLarens were from the Dunning area. Was surprised that I ended up in Comrie - a place dear to our hearts, we had a static caravan there for 30 years and loved the area.
I've traced the family from Canada back to Dunoon back to Glasgow then back again to Comrie - earliest I've found is Alexander McLaren born abt 1777 (can't find his birth) 1841 census states born in County. He was married to Mary McIntyre born abt 1787 in Balquidder. They had 11 children that I've found, and I have birth, marriage, death and census records for them. Eldest son is Daniel/Donald - changes often!! Alexander farmed on Glenartney at one time, he died in 1843, but wife Mary continued to farm in the area until her death in 1877. Three of their daughters remained single with Catherine the eldest born 1810 married to Mungo Ferguson. Son Donald/Daniel also single, son John married Margaret McTavish who was from Killin, and it's his line that went to Dunoon and then Canada. Daughter Janet married a Roderick Sharp, daughters Margaret, Mary & Helen never married and all died in Comrie. There was also a daughter Marion who I can't find anything on, only her birth. Son Peter died in Comrie and can't find anything so far on son's Alexander and Duncan.
What is interesting to me and appears on this thread is that the original posts reference Archibald McLaren and Margaret King, is that there has to be a connection between them and the Alexander and Mary that I've been researching - Alexander and family are buried in Leckine Burial Ground.
No Archibald's amongst Alex and Mary's children but did wonder if they could have been brother's with Alex's father being Daniel/Donald.
Any ideas anyone - especially Gordon who seems as active on this list as I am on mine!!
regards ............... Meg
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Hi Meg
yes a complicated lot the McLarens. Archibald i have him in a family tree , through clan maclaren society contact , his brothers were John and Robert.
Robert and his wife Janet's headstone is at Leckine. their son Donald on the same stone was the Chief magistrate at Callander.
Janet , Robert's wife was a McLaren too , her brother was a Banker , and funded the original McLaren High School in Callander.
I have no doubt that Alexander may well be a cousin of Archibald McLaren the tailor. A point of interest their must have been a number of marriages to McIntyres as Archibald's grandson Donald (again) marries a Catharine McIntyre from Dalchruin farm , Glenartney , in 1872.
Dalchruin being only about 1/2 mile from Mailermore where Alexander is in the 1841 census.
Further to the burial ground at Leckine , i have a map of it where their are McLarens from Auchraw , Ardveich , Derry , Auchtow and Glenartney in various sections. Kings (castran), Fergusons(craggan) , Forbes and Mcintyres (gartnafuran) are also listed.
the McLaren , Ardveich has it faintly in writing "the Chief".
hope of interest. Gordon
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Thanks for that Gordon, I have the family on every census from 1841 and they are at Mailer?? until 1871 at least, I've the Monumental Inscriptions of Upper Strathearn and as there were so few burials in Leckine and Alexander & Mary are there it seemed to me that they had to be a connection. Alexanders Grandson Peter was also a Tailor and lived with his Grannie for most of his life, he was with her in 1871, 1881 (with his Aunts), 1891, and his first wife died in Comrie in 1894. He remarried in 1909 and his 2nd wife appears to have been from Dunoon and he and their only daughter moved there.
Maybe one day I'll find the connection.
Cheers .... Meg
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hi Meg,
the farm is Mailermore , in Glenartney , about 1/2 mile from Dalchruin farm and church. my g/g grandfather Donald is at Findhughlen in the 1871 census. he is about 2 miles in to the hills from Dalchruin church , and Catharine Mcintyre his wife at Dalchruin farm.
i would think they all the families would even go to the same church at Dalchruin. Anything you have to ask , post away or leave a personal message.
yours gordon
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Hello Gordon,
Every census I looked at the name seemed to be different, Mailersby, Mailerfuer, Miller Farm even on one census!! Rent was £60 per year in the 1861 census and they were there a long time. I know an old herd that worked in Glenartney, Pat McNab who's now in the Old Folks Home at Dalginross in Comrie. He used to be the Herd at Crosswoodhill in West Calder where I was born and bred, but he was born and raised in Comrie and went back there after his stint on the "Whang".
Still think that Alex is of the same family as Archie - especially with so few in that Graveyard.... and that his father was Donald/Daniel.
cheers ... Meg
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Hi all
You have Mailermore and further along the Glen you have mailerfuar.
My ancestor is listed as a Army Pensioner at Mailermore in the 1841 census The farmer at the time
was a chap by the name of McNaughton
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks Bruce,
seems to be Mailorfuer after peering through the glass!!
many thanks ................. Meg
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Hi Meg
If you use the link below keep zooming in it will give you the historical map of Glenartney
http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/google.html
Yours Aye
BruceL
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I thought i would add this for others to see. A land survey of land round Loch Tay in 1769. a very early survey in Scotland , and great to see what my McLarens farmed at Cloichran then . find scotlandsplaces very good site.
www.rootschat.com/links/0jvf/
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My mother is Margaret McLaren (Ratcliffe)......she was born to Thomas Mclaren and Rachel Ewen
My mum was raised by the side of Lochearnhead (Lavender Cottage) Her fathers brother was Douglas McLaren who owned the shop and garage at Lochearnhead........I have traced our McLarens to Mornish by the side of LochTay,Donald Mclaren, born in 1794, his father was Dugal McLaren.....I am now stuck at Dugal ,as my mum seems to think her Mclarens came from Lochearnhead originally,word of mouth , so how true this is I don't know :)
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Hi Dizzylamb , you may well be right re the McLarens moving from Lochearnhead north to Loch Tay. my g/g/g grandparents were both McLarens , Catherine from Easter Auchraw (now Briar Cottage) and Donald from Cloichran , Loch Tay.
my g/g/g/g grandparents were also both McLarens , Donald again from Cloichran , and Mary from Ardveich , as you know just along Loch Earn from Lochearnhead.
i can only conclude that each generation were either cousins , 2nd cousins etc. , but they never seemed to be allowed to marry within their own parishes.
You will be related to me somehow , i will have a look , as i have a family tree that may help.
We all seem to get back to a period about the 1730's where the trail ends , or becomes too confusing.
yours gordon
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Apologies to bleckie but the old historical maps on-line at NLS have been updated.
Here is an easier way in:
http://geo.nls.uk/search/mosaic/#zoom=6&lat=56.71138&lon=-4.9&layers=000B0000000
Then add your National Grid Reference (box, top, left)
NG Ref you need is NN 7350 1700
Then hit RETURN on your keyboard and you should be at Mailerfuar
Throth
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my 4 x g/grandfather Malcolm , in trouble with the Earl of Breadalbane. find attached pic of page.
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Hi folks I'm looking for info on a Archibald McLaren who married a Cathrine Lamb in 1806. Archibald was from Kirklane in the parish of Kincardine and Catherine was from Kippen. I believe they had a Son John in 1807 and my ggg Grandfather Archibald sometime around 1814 possibly in St Johns New Brunswick. If anyone has any info that could help me trace my tree back further it would be much appreciated.
Kind Regards, Ross.
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Hi Ross , in addition to John , born 1807 , their is a Mary , born on 28th September 1809 , and christened on 3rd October 1809 at Falkirk . found on Familysearch.
hope of use Gordon
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Thanks for that Gordon I was unaware of Mary or of any link to Falkirk. They must of stayed in Falkirk for a time before going to north America. Sheds some light on when they must of went, sometime between 1809-1814. Thanks again.
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Hi;
Am looking for any help on ancestors of:
Colin McLaren-1 was born about 1787 in Lochearnhead, Loch Earn, Perthshire, Scotland. He died in 1860 in Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
Mary Christian 'Christine' Henderson was born about 1784 in Perthshire, Scotland. She died on Unknown in Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
Colin McLaren and Mary Christian 'Christine' Henderson were married on 02 Aug 1806 in Lochearnhead, St. Fillans, Comrie Parish, Loch Earn, Perthshire, Scotland. They had the following children:
i. Donald McLaren was born on 18 Aug 1807 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland.
3. ii. George McLaren was born on 20 May 1809 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland. He married Christena McLaren about 1854 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 21 Jan 1887 in The Derry, Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
4. iii. Peter McLaren was born about 1812 in Perthshire, Scotland. He married Mary Ann McDonald about 1841 in Lanark Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 15 May 1858 in Lanark Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
5. iv. Margaret McLaren was born on 15 Oct 1815 in Balquhidder, Lochearnhead, Perthshire, Scotland. She married Alexander 'Soldier Sandy' Stewart about 1831 in Perthshire, Scotland. She died on 28 Mar 1895 in The Derry, Beckwith Twp., Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
v. Elizabeth McLaren was born about 1816 in Ontario, Canada.
5. vi. Duncan McLaren was born about 1818 in Ontario, Canada. He died in Jun 1897 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He married Margaret McNee on Unknown.
vii. John McLaren was born about 1819 in Ontario, Canada. He died on Unknown.
viii. Colin McLaren was born in Mar 1822 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada. He died on 17 May 1905 in Lanark County, Ontario, Canada.
6. ix. Mary McLaren was born about 1830 in Ontario, Canada. She died on 27 Oct 1897. She married Daniel McLaren on Unknown.
Thanks
Mark
Hi Mark,
I was wondering what information you have about Peter McLaren born in 1812. My ancestor was named Peter McLaren. Everything matches nearly perfectly with what you have except that his wife was Agnes Morris. There is a record of their marriage in Bathurst on April 13, 1842.
1843
"April 13 Peter MCLAREN, Beckwith, to Agnes MORRIS, Drummond. Wit: William McLean, Alexander Graham."
<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/bathurst3.htm>
They had the following children:
Colin (b.1844)
John (1846)
Catherine (1848)
Christian/Christine (1850)
Elizabeth (1852)
Peter (1854)
Duncan (1856)
Furthermore, there is an older woman named Christine (well Chistian it says) McLaren who was born around 1785 living with them in 1852. I was going to attach the image but I am unable to do so. I've attached the census image. Peter is #9, the older Christian is #15.
By 1861, Agnes had been widowed. I have no information about when Peter died but 1858 would fit really well. In 1852, Agnes' name is given as Ann. Do you think it's possible she later married a McDonald? I can find no record for her after 1861 and there are no Ann or Agnes McLaren matching in the 1871 census. I assumed she had died. What source do you have for her name? Everything else fits so perfectly into this tree. Names and dates and everything. I read the first son was often named after the paternal grandfather which would be Colin. There's also the daughter named Christian/Christine.
I don't know what happened to most of the children. I know that Catherine married Jack Carnduff and moved to Manitoba with her sister, Elizabeth, in the late 1870s. Here is a link to her marriage in 1874. Elizabeth married Samuel Moorhead in Manitoba in 1883. Her mother's name on the marriage registration is Agnes Morrison. Her obituary says she was born in Innisville. I'd appreciate any information you have. I've been stuck with this line for a long time. I look forward to hearing from you,
Tyler
Here are links to the marriages of two of Peter and Agnes' daughters.
Christian/Christine/Christena's marriage:
Vol 4, pg. 282 - Robert HUGHES, 24, blacksmith, Innisville - Drummond twp., same, s/o Robert HUGHES & Isabella TOMLINSON, married Christena McLAREN, 20, Beckwith twp., same, d/o Peter McLAREN & Agnes MORRISON, witn: John & Catherine McLAREN of Beckwith twp., 10 Feb 1870 at Carleton Place
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/lanark70.htm
Catherine's marriage:
5638-74 John CARNDUFF, 22, laborer, Ireland, Montague, s/o Sam CARNDUFF & Sarah PORTER, married Catherine McLAREN, 24, Beckwith, Carleton Place, d/o Peter McLAREN & Agnes MORRIS, witn: Peter McLAREN & Amelia PANNET, both of Beckwith, 10 July 1874 at Smith Falls
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/lanark74.htm
Tyler
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Hi Dizzylamb , you may well be right re the McLarens moving from Lochearnhead north to Loch Tay. my g/g/g grandparents were both McLarens , Catherine from Easter Auchraw (now Briar Cottage) and Donald from Cloichran , Loch Tay.
my g/g/g/g grandparents were also both McLarens , Donald again from Cloichran , and Mary from Ardveich , as you know just along Loch Earn from Lochearnhead.
i can only conclude that each generation were either cousins , 2nd cousins etc. , but they never seemed to be allowed to marry within their own parishes.
You will be related to me somehow , i will have a look , as i have a family tree that may help.
We all seem to get back to a period about the 1730's where the trail ends , or becomes too confusing.
yours gordon
thanks Gordon, sorry I hadnt replied earlier but my father was diagnosed with secondary cancer last September, so I was busy looking after him and helping mum until he passed away end of January, so not much time spent in genealogy.....I have looked for my Dugal on Sotlands People and can't find him, dispite trying different name varients.....any help would be very much appreciated.....:)
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Hi again.....strange you should mention about your ggggrandparents, Donald and Catherine McLaren, my gggrandparents were Donald McLaren b.1831 Loch Tay and Catherine McLaren b.1837 Tombreck Weem, both were first cousins who married in 1857,in Morenish by the side of Loch Tay.....all my Mclarens in Killin lived on the North side of Loch Tay though, Morenish, Blairlargan......Catherines father was John Mclaren and Donalds father was Donald Mclaren and both Johns and Donalds father was Dugal McLaren.regards Carol
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Hi Dizzylamb , see your Donald MacLaren at morenish , death 1860 , and cousin Donald at morenish in 1858. both their mothers were McMartins (sisters i presume).
Found a Dugal McLaren born on 27th May 1770 , to a Donald McLaren and Ellin Carmichael on Scotlandspeople , at the next door farm to Morenish , Edramucky.
Here may be a lead re moving from Loch Earn to Loch Tay , many of the Carmichaels i have come across were from Glentarken at Loch Earn.
if you click on my name you can send a personal message , and will exchange photos with you if ok to see if resemblance , eispecially in older family, if you give me your e mail address , i will leave you mine on your personal messages.
yours gordon
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Hi Gordon, I am descended from William McLaren born in 1818 to Archibald McLaren and Margaret King. He married Mary Beattie who was born in 1833 to Robert Beattie and Margaret Campbell although there are no documents other than her death certificate for either parent. She is on the 1841 census as a 7year old living with Williams older brother Archibald and his wife and children. (strange) Margaret Kings parents are listed as John King and Janet Mclaren( married in 1772) and her husband's parents were John Mclaren and Catharine McIntyre. William and Mary had 4 children that survived childhood Archibald died Dec 1882 @23 years , John who died in April 1952 aged 91 , Willie who lived to be 83 and my great grandmother Margaret who passed away in 1927.
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Hi Carol , many thanks for getting in touch. you are related to me , as my g/g/g grandmother was Catharine McLaren , she was born in 1808 , and was your William's older sister.
All of which you have said is correct as i have a family tree copied from one given to me by the owners of Earnknowe , the house next to Leckine cemetery , with one exception , Archibald 's parents were John McLaren and Catharine McLaren (not Mcintyre?), married on 21st April 1758 .
will leave you a personal message for you to contact me , i am in touch with another 4 descendants of Archibald McLaren and Janet King. 2 related to your William and 2 related to Margaret , again William's older sister , born 1814.
yours gordon
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Hi Mark AKA Otis,
Going to try contacting you again. I believe I found the marriage of Peter McLaren to Mary McDonald that you are talking about. I found a tree with Peter McLaren who married Mary McDonald in Lanark county in 1842. That Peter McLaren was born in Glasgow in 1818 and died 11 May 1898 so likely isn't the same person. I believe your Peter is my Peter who married Agnes Morris in 1843. Unfortunately I can't contact you directly yet.
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Perth Courier, May 13, 1898
McLaren - Died, at Lanark on May 11, Peter McLaren, aged 80.
Elsewhere in the same paper:
The Era chronicled the death of Peter McLaren of Lanark on Wednesday morning of heart trouble and appendicitis. Deceased was born in Glasgow, Scotland in 1818 and came with his parents, Mr. and Mrs. John McLaren, to Canada in 1822. The family settled on Lot 1, 4th Concession Lanark. His wife was Mary McDonald, also a native of Scotland who died 42 years ago. Two of their five children are dead, the survivors being Mrs. H. Wallace of Chicago; Mrs. David McLaren and Mrs. John McLaren of Drummond. He was a member of St. Andrews Presbyterian Church and in politics was a Liberal. (Transcribers note, checked this twice it was “Mrs.” David McLaren and “Mrs.” John McLaren)
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Sometimes you come across a piece of information , that is a breakthrough. here is a photo from Killin cemetery of my g/g/g grandparents gravestone.
Donald and Catharine McLaren from Dalveich , both died in 1867. also listed is their son Archibald , who died 1902.
At the very bottom of the stone is this inscription. "their ancestors have been buried here for generations"
the stone next to it was erected by Patrick McLaren in memory of his father Malcolm McLaren , who died at Cambusurich (south side Loch Tay) on 13th April 1808 , aged 83.
my 5 x g/grandfather was a Malcolm McLaren , born at Cloichran to Donald and Margaret McLaren , i think that Malcolm who died in 1808 , could be Donald's brother (not old enough for father).
it does not have to be conclusive , Cloichran and Cambusurich only 1/2 mile apart. Gordon
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Dalveich is across Loch Earn from me on the north side - good map showing Dalveich http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/stewart_of_dalveich.htm
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Just found this post when searching for information about my Grt Grt Grandfather Peter McLaren. According to census he was born in Aberfoyle, Perthshire about 1815. He lived in the Gartocharn area on the census 1851-1871 and he was a tailor. He married Helen Duncan Keir 1834 in Balfron. He died 1885 at Jamestown, Dunbartonshire. On his death certificate his father is named as Alexander McLaren (farmer) but his mother is unknown! I would like to find out who Peter's mother was and any other information about his ancestors. Thank you.
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Hello Gordon,
I think we are distantly related :)
My g/g/g grandmother is Margaret McLaren, daughter of Archibald McLaren and Margaret King, who married John Bain and they emigrated Williamstown, South Australia in 1855. I am trying to identify/ clarify their parents and grandparents if possible.
Would greatly appreciate any help!
Best regards,
Jenny, Adelaide, SA
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Hi Jenny , yes I can tell you much more re Archibald McLaren and Margaret King , I have a lot off information re both families.
Archibald McLaren's parents were John McLaren and Catharine McLaren , both McLarens , John was from Carnlia , a now ruined farmtown , above Ardveich farm at Loch Earn . Catharine McLaren , Archibald's mother was a daughter off Donald McLaren of Ardveich , the chief in his day. Archibald baptised 7th September 1761 , was still alive on the 1841 census , and died sometime after in the 1840s (no death record).
Margaret King , was the daughter of John King and Janet McLaren , from Castaran , next to Edinample castle at Loch Earn , Margaret was baptised 4th February 1776.
Archibald McLaren and Margaret King were married at Balquhidder Church on the 14th January 1797.
On the 1841 census , Archibald is 79 , Margaret 65 , and granddaughter listed is Margaret Bain age 5.
If you are on facebook Jenny , look for me Gordon McLaren , pic with 2 flags , send friend request . Can send you all original records.
Gordon
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Thank you so much Gordon!!
This is all fantastic information and the record! I had noted these may be the parents of Archibald and Margaret in searching this week, but I wasn't sure at all. I saw that Donald was a Catherine McLaren's father but no idea he was a former Chief and hadn't looked any further until I could confirm. I really appreciate very much and will send you FB request.
Much gratitude from Adelaide family,
Jenny
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Hello everyone!
I am starting to research a new branch of my family tree and have come up with a McLaren and a Carmichael.
The only info I have so far is
Duncan Carmichael married Margaret McLaren and had a son, Allan Carmichael in 1800.
The families lived in Perthshire, Blairgowrie and surrounds.
Any connection?
Regards
Lorraine
Canada
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Does anyone have a copy of
Perthshire to Three Rivers: A Genealogy of the Descendants of the Brudenell Pioneers by Marion Clark?
We are interested in the daughters of James McLaren, Grennich, Blair Atholl. Donald Gordon married Christian McLaren. When she died in 1804 it is said that he married her sister Jessie (Janet McLaren), the widow of James Stewart. However this seems to be disputed.
Throth
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Hi
I live in NSW Australia and my family are the McLarens and Gordon's from PEI. My 4x grandfather was Capitan James Gordon who married Jane McLaren. He sailed to Australia was was successful as a building contractor in Sydney, Melbourne and Wellington NZ. His son Charles Henry married Elizabeth Jane Eddie who I know nothing more about as yet and then his son John Eadie Gordon married my great grandmother Amy Hilda May Sloggett.
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The information I found on Donald Gordon that married Christina McLaren after she died in 1804 @32yrs old in PEI he married in 1805 PEI, Jessie McLaren born 1780 in Scotland they had two sons I have recorded as John 1806-1886 & Peter 1811-1898. I know Christina the first wife was the daughter of James McLaren born 1743 Balquhidder and Isabel McDonald. The only Stewart in the line I have found so far are a Captain Donald McLaren of East Invernenty Jacobite born 1720 Balquhidder married Elizabeth Stewart born 1720 Blair Atholl. Her father was Rev Duncan Stewart 1st of Strathgarry minster of Dunoon and Janet MacCalman.
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The info I have on the daughter of James McLaren born 1743 Balquhidder died 1818 Brudenell River Kings. He married Isabel MacDonald born 1745. He sailed from Port of Glasgow to Pictou Nova Scotia aged 60 stating his farm was taken from him along with approx 60 plus other Scots from the highlanders that where in a bad situation from having been a Jacobite. His children I have found are Janet born 1766/balquhidder, Donald -1770, Christina- 1772 (who appears in both my McLaren and Gordon line), William McLaren whom is my direct descendant, Isabella 5/1/1780, James 30/11/1785, John-1786 and Elizabeth-1792.
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Did Captain James Gordon and his wife Jane McLaren move to Oregon before emigrating to Australia?
Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)
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Hi I am not sure as only started researching past few months but he did have a sister with check names tonight that lived in Oregon
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Hi I’m new here. My great great grandmother was a Mclaren descended from Donald at Ardveich. does anyone have a copy of the following they’d be interested in selling?
MacLaren, A.A., 2004. The Last Maclarens in Ardveich.
MacLaren, Marcia Margaret and MacLaren, Archibald Allen, 2006. Migrating MacLarens. A study of the families leaving Lochearnside 1761-1901.
I’m trying to fill some blanks. My fifth great grandfather was Daniel/Donald McLaren, son of Donald and Mary McLaren.
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Hi Allison , i can help you with the families on Lochearnside , i have copied the pages off it . PM me your e mail address .
My 5 x g/grandparents are a Donald and Mary McLaren also , married in 1802 , they were living at the farms off Camusurich , Croftfeunaig and Cloichran , on the south side of Loch Tay , Mary was from Ardveich.
Lots off information to share. Gordon
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Thanks Gordon! Sounds like we are cousins :) I will message you.
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I have Catherine McLaren married Peter Ferguson 1814 Kilmadock Perthshire Kate
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I am trying to trace a William McLaren born around 1845 (give or take 10 years) in the Perth area although I do not know that for sure.
When/where/who did he marry & what info. is on his marriage cert?
When/where did he die & what info. is on his death cert?
Where did he live & what info. is given re his place of birth on any census records?
Is his birth yr of 1845 consistent with all info. you have for him?
Please state all known facts with dates/places.
Good looking chap was William ;)
Annie
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All I have is name and picture. No information on birth dates or anything. He may gave resided in or near Stanley, Perthshire
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Hi All
I did a search on scotlandspeople for the death of a William McLaren in Auchtergaven which includes Stanley from 1855 to 1920 and only came up with the one below.
Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Year Ref RD Name Image Vi
MCLAREN WILLIAM 70 CARNEGIE 1910 330/ 19 Auchtergaven
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thanks...I will look into him further
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All I have is name and picture. No information on birth dates or anything. He may gave resided in or near Stanley, Perthshire
What brought William to your attention, must've been something, somewhere?
There must be something we can work from to try & work out who he may be?
Annie
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Hi Annie, here is a little more background....
My grandfather, David Kennedy, was born on the 3rd of August, 1877 in Stanley, Perthshire, Scotland to Jane Kennedy. No father is given on the birth records, and Jane was unmarried at the time. Jane’s occupation was domestic servant and the story passed down in the family, which of course could be false, was that the father was her employer, and that he was wealthy. The picture I attached earlier of the supposed father shows a gentleman who appears to be well dressed and would suggest someone reasonably well off (nothing written on the back of the picture to identify him). According to the story passed down his name was William McLaren. There are a couple of reasons why I think the McLaren part is correct:
• My grandfather added McLaren to his surname after he immigrated to South Africa in the early 1900’s – that is the first time we see McLaren-Kennedy on any records. There must have been a reason, and the only one I can think of is that it was his father’s name.
• In the 1881 census my grandfather was being cared for by his grandparents (his mother married James Sharp in 1880 and moved away from Stanley) and he is the only one in the family not listed as Kennedy, but as David McLaren. However, the 1891 census, when he was 13, listed him as David Kennedy. In neither census was his mother living with her parents.
So that is my interest in William. I would like to know more about the McLaren side of the family....
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Thank you David M-K for the background...
It was quite common for illegitimate children to be brought up by the surname of the 'reputed' father or the surname of the 'reputed' father being given as a middle name.
I had a look for a possible Paternity Decree for David but nothing showing, however...
I found one for a John Kennedy b 29 Mar 1873, mother named Jane Kennedy!
I wonder if John was also an illegitimate child of your Jane & if so, the father has been found & the details of the record can be ordered here for a decent fee...
https://www.oldscottish.com/fathers-found-k.html
Transcription of birth...https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ2L-GGC
This is the entry on SP...
KENNEDY JOHN 1873 - 330/ 18 Auchtergaven (Perth) which includes Stanley
I haven't looked for John in 1881 (you didn't mention if he was with the g/parents too) but I don't see a death for him 1873 - 1881.
The address of his birth would help to decide if he was the son of your Jane & if one of the g/parents was the informant, that would help further.
Have you searched for a William McLaren in 1881.
Did David name William as his father on his marriage cert. & what was the occ. given for William?
Annie
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Annie, you are a genius! That very possibly could be the same Jane. In 1873 she would have been 19. Lets hope in this case the father was also William and not someone else. There was no John in the census records except for Janes's brother (10+ years older than her).
Supposedly Jane was a domestic servant and I did find a William McLaren on Leadmore Farm about 4.5 miles from Stanley...in fact Jane lived with her family on Duchess Street in Stanley and if you follow Duchess Street into the country it leads directly to Leadmore Farm. I have written to the farm but have had no response. In the 1871 census Jane was living at home working at Stanley Mill. In the 1881 census she is not listed since she had married and moved away from Stanley (my grandfather was then living with his grandparents). Unfortunately there is no census records listing her as a servant on the farm otherwise the puzzle would be easily solved one way or the other.
David
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I was a bit hesitant in being persistent but it may pay off?
John Kennedy b 29 Mar 1873, mother Jane Kennedy!
This is the entry on SP...
KENNEDY JOHN 1873 - 330/ 18 Auchtergaven (Perth) which includes Stanley
I forgot to mention, you could compare the signature of Jane on both John & David's birth records provided Jane registered both herself.
I discovered 4 illegitimate children by the same mother by the signature!
I hope you look at the BC for John & order the Paternity Decree if the address & signature look a possibility ;)
Let us know the outcome!
Annie
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I did find a William McLaren on Leadmore Farm about 4.5 miles from Stanley...
Unfortunately you gave no details of William i.e. his age/yob or any other details but this may be of interest for a small fee?
Wills and testaments...
MacLaren William - 1/8/1911 - Ledmore, Stanley, d. 16/10/1910 at Ledmore, intestate.
Perth Sheriff Court - SC49/31/216
Death index (posted by Bleckie earlier in the thread) made me smile...
"the story passed down in the family, which of course could be false, was that the father was her employer, and that he was wealthy"
Were they referring to the famous Andrew ;D
MCLAREN WILLIAM 70 - CARNEGIE (mms) - 1910 - 330/ 19 Auchtergaven
The Proprietor of the Farm of Leadmore/Ledmore was the Duke of Athole &...
MACLAREN WILLIAM - Tenant Occupier - FARM OF LEDMORE - AUCHTERGAVEN
1875 VR011300021-
It may be worth contacting Throth (www.borenich.co.uk) who posts here on RC?
Annie
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Annie, I forgot to mention that my grandfather got married in South Africa and on the marriage certificates there at the time they they only had a question "who gave consent". My grandfather wrote "own". Also, his birth certificate does not record a father.