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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: russpain on Thursday 03 December 09 07:59 GMT (UK)
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The Spain family in NZ.
Read this and if you can find a link ,post it.
I am also looking in "Kent" for links to the Spains.
Thomas George was my G-father
The Spain family, as far as we know, lived in Kent England and were farm labourers.
The earliest documents show their signatures as crosses so it is fair to say that they were not royalty.
The earliest names we have at this time are EDMOND Spain who was married to MARY ANN (nee GOODCHILD).
Their son CHARLES EDWARD Spain was born in Great Mongeham in the county of Kent on the 23 November 1857.
Charles (20) was an able seaman and was much traveled before he married FANNY MAY ELISABETH HAMMOND (18) at the parish church, Whitfield Kent on the 26th February 1877. Both Fanny and Charles signed their names with a cross on their marriage certificate.
They had a small holding in Kent and grew hops and tobacco, their first son, THOMAS GEORGE was born at Westmarsh Ash in the County of Kent on the 19th June 1878.
Charles, Fanny and their five month old son Thomas George, travelled to New Zealand aboard the ship Stad Haarlem and in April the 25th 1879 disembarked at Lyttelton. The family then moved to Waimate were the family increased.
It was in the years of the “Industrial Revolution” steam machinery was starting to be introduced in the farming scene and as whole districts became more mechanically reliant, farm workers were no longer needed. Horses and workers were both being made redundant in the face of steam driven implements. Famine and poverty among the subsistence farmers and their townsfolk was becoming more apparent and small holdings were being incorporated into larger amalgamations, in some cases just by way of debt relief. This is the catalyst that eventually invoked the immigration of large numbers of country folk from all over the British Iles to both Australia and New Zealand and the new colonies of the Southern oceans. The trades and the skills these immigrants bought with them, and they were many, was the foundation on which these new young countries were to be developed.
According to the “The Press, 17 April 1879 p.2” and the diary of one Mr Alf Simmonds
“ The immigrants comprise three hundred hop agriculturalists. These are represented by Mr Alf Simmonds the secretary of the Labour Union, who is a passenger by the vessel. Mr Simmonds has brought with him a quantity of hop plants, and before returning to England will give his attention to acquiring information respecting the adaptability of this country for the hop raising industry.”
FANNY MARY (Aunty JEAN) born Waimate in 1880 (married FOOT and had at least one son named Herbie. (Herbie Foot) Died in Christchurch.
ANNIE SARAH born Waimate 1882. Married Archie White who had an orchard in Tasman. The Whites adopted a daughter named Lorna who later lived in Tauranga.
ROSE LAVINIA Born Waimate in 1884 Married Hornblow, the Mayor of Dargaville.
MAY Born Timaru in 1890.
ETHAL LUCAS was adopted 1892 Lived in Dunback
AMY GERTUDE Born Timaru 1892 . Married Dan McCurdie and lived in Lower Hutt after moving from Dunedin. They had a son named Charlie who later drove railway busses.
DOROTHY Married a baker in Dunedin had two daughters Freda and Laurel.
CHARLES EDMUND (Spain)Born at Timaru in 1895. Later married a Hilda Mary Watkins.
JESSIE HAMMOND Born at Timaru on the 1st April 1897 Later married a Arther Cyril Bond at Dunedin an the 1st March 1920, had a daughter Joyce and a son Arther.
ALFRED RAYMON (Spain) Born at Timaru in 1901 and died in 1936.
The Spain Family moved to Dunedin about this time.
Thomas George was the oldest child of this family and was also the only child not born in New Zealand. Thomas worked on farms around Timaru and the North East Valley. At one time had an employer named Leckie.
Thomas married CHRISTINA SNEDDON at the registry office in Dunedin on the 27th March 1900.
Christina was born at Saddle Hill (Mosgiel) on the 1st of January 1880.
Thomas was working at the saddle hill coal mine owned by his father in law, JAMES SNEDDON when there was a collapse and his back was broken. He was paralysed for a time and had to learn to walk again.
At about the same time their oldest son, GEORGE was kicked by a horse which badly injured his head. It was a trying time for Thomas and Christina as she was also in child with her second son Norman.
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Hi,
you could try the following websites which may have something for you.
http://caversham.otago.ac.nz/electors/erform.php put in surname SPAIN and click on check database.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=p&p=home&e=-------10--1----0-all put in name Thomas SPAIN or even SPAIN. I live in the Taieri Area if that is any help let me know,
Jan
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Hi russpain,
Welcome to rootschat :)
Can you tell us if you are looking for anything in particular? You have such alot of info perhaps you are after something specific? :)
Leandra
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Thanks Janicely and Leandra.
Those links you supplied Janicely, were most helpfull. A lot of the old Sneddon family is evident in "paperspast".
I am hoping Leandra that some of those names i have mentioned in my paper, have some relevance to someone on RootsChat or visits from time to time.
Any further information that can progress the families is much appreciated.
As for anyone that finds themselves to be connected, let me know and then we can further progress the lines together. Any family history that i have printed is most welcome to be used wisely and honestly by all that can link in.
Thanks once again, both of you, for your input.
Cheers
russpain
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Goodluck russpain :)
I hope you get contact with other interested parties. Rootschat is a great place, you never know who you will meet that has a common interest :D :D
Leandra
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Hi
Is it your tree on worldconnect, if not lots there
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3158904&id=I721
BYe
Althea :o
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Hi,
Thomas George was my G grandfather. My Grandfather was Thomas Raymond.
Ngaire Philiis Spain was my mother.
I am also interested in the family history, whatyou have outlined is basically what I know also, due to the work done by my mother's cousin, Charles Spain.
Always happy to chat about the family.
Renicarl (Judith)
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On the Christchurch City Council Cemetery database there are 3 Spain's
Not sure if the are related to your lot or not
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/
There is also an Emma Foot died aged 7 years as well in 1887 buried at Addington Cemetery
Newbe
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Is Fanny short for Florence Mary? her surname is Hayward
There is a marriage for her in 1901 to a William Henry FOOT
Is this correct?
I do not see a death for Herbie in Christchurch
Was Herbie a nickname?
Newbe
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Hi,
Not sure about James, but Michael was a grandson of David (my grandfather's brother) and Alice Spain, and a friend of one of my cousins, Raymond Leslie Donald Spain.
Stilborn was a sibling of Raymond's, Beverley was my aunt, she died 2 years ago.
Spain James 28/03/1948 31/03/1948 [Detail]
Spain Michael Francis 16/05/2001 19/05/2001 [Detail]
Spain Stillborn of Beverley Helen 21/02/1963 24/02/1963 [Detail]
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Hi There,
Glad to be of help.
I can check the library for inscription next time I am there if you like and see if there was a headstone or not for the SPAIN's
Newbe
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Thanks, but no need already done that.
Used to work at ChCh City Library. Great resources.
Appeciate your interest.
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Thanks for letting me know
Cheers
Newbe
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Spain's, happy to see story's , George Spain is my pop, TeX Spain is NY Father, regards Angela Cleary ( new Spain)
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Hi
I'm trying to find information on May Elisabeth Spain, born around 1889. I think her parents were Fanny Hammond and Charles Spain, but she's not listed as an issue on this thread. There seems to be a large gap between 2 children from 1884 - 1890, which fits in with the year she was born.
She left her husband (my ggrandfather) shortly after her marriage to run off with her lover.
Is there any information on her?
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Hello & welcome to Rootschat........ :)
The birth registration:
1889/10264 Spain May Elizabeth Fanny Charles
Minniehaha.
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Marriage:
1910/4512 May Elizabeth Spain Hubert Edwin Knight
Charge of attempted murder [found not guilty]:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WH19110311.2.84?query=hubert%20edwin%20knight&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1897&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true
Minniehaha.
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Also shot at his wife:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/222544059?searchTerm=%22may%20elizabeth%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
Divorce reports:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/123884860?searchTerm=%22may%20elizabeth%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/127695917?searchTerm=%22may%20elizabeth%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5385462?searchTerm=%22may%20elizabeth%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
Further items re the shooting & also divorce………
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q&exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight&anyWords¬Words&requestHandler&dateFrom=1910-01-01&dateTo&sortby&s=20
Minniehaha.
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May Elizabeth was being sought in 1912.......
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/198122996?searchTerm=%22may%20elizabeth%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=may+elizabeth+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
A little on Hubert Edwin Knight in 1937……….
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/30769665?searchTerm=%22hubert%20edwin%20knight%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=hubert+edwin+knight|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1910-01-01|||dateTo|||sortby
Minniehaha.
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Death notice [1935] for Thomas Barnabas Baldwin?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/246581385?searchTerm=%22thomas%20barnabas%20baldwin%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas+barnabas+baldwin|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1935-01-01|||dateTo=1935-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17227844?searchTerm=%22thomas%20barnabas%20baldwin%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas+barnabas+baldwin|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1935-01-01|||dateTo=1935-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
In Memoriam [1936]:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17286672?searchTerm=%22thomas%20barnabas%20baldwin%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas+barnabas+baldwin|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1935-01-01|||dateTo=1938-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
1937………
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17415176?searchTerm=%22thomas%20barnabas%20baldwin%22%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas+barnabas+baldwin|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1935-01-01|||dateTo=1938-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
Minniehaha.
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Hello Anthk.......
Here are the obituaries for Charles & Fanny:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19350730.2.5?query=fanny%20spain&phrase=2&snippet=true
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19361013.2.67?query=charles%20spain&start_date=01-01-1936&end_date=31-12-1936&snippet=true&title=ODT
Names of children they were survived by are shown.
In post #1, most of the marriages for the daughters are given. Glover & Barnett (as per the obituaries) appear to be missing. Perhaps one of these is May Elizabeth?
Children whose births were registered in New Zealand:
1900/11902 Spain Alfred Raymond Fanny Charles -
1886/3787 Spain Rose Lovina Fanny Charles -
1897/7224 Spain Jessie Hammond Fanny Charles -
1892/7963 Spain Amy Florence Gertrude Fanny Charles -
1883/17522 Spain Sarah Ann Fanny Charles -
1894/14948 Spain Charles Edmund Frank Fanny Charles -
1889/10264 Spain May Elizabeth Fanny Charles
Minniehaha.
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Bingo!!
Here is her death.......
1972/28255 Barnett May Elizabeth 29 May 1889
The date of birth shown above is the same as that recorded at her birth registration.
Minniehaha.
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Report of the arrival of the 'Stad Haarlem' [incorrectly shown in the obituaries as the 'Stad Arlam']
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18790415.2.31?query=stad%20haarlem&items_per_page=25&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1879&end_date=31-12-1879&snippet=true&title=LT,OO,SUNCH,TEML,THD,TS,WDA,SCANT,NCGAZ,ASHH,AG,AMBPA,CHP,EG,GLOBE
Passenger list:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GKQ-G1N?i=9&cc=1609792
Minniehaha.
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This may, (or may not) be 'your' May Elizabeth & her Barnett husband.......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19390303.2.124?query=may%20elizabeth&sort_by=byTI.rev&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&page=2&start_date=01-01-1931&end_date=31-12-1950&snippet=true&title=LT,OO,SUNCH,TEML,THD,TS,WDA,SCANT,NCGAZ,ASHH,AG,AMBPA,CHP,EG,GLOBE
If her husband, these may be the cemetery details for him.......
Surname: Barnett
First name(s): Michael
Date of death: Saturday, 27 August 1955
Cemetery: Linwood
Date of burial: Tuesday, 4 October 1955
Block number: Ashes
Plot number: 164
Age: 75 years
Address:
Occupation: Gardener
Place of birth:
Years in New Zealand: 75
Minniehaha.
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Cemetery details + headstone photograph for Fanny, Charles and son Alfred...........
https://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=11877&type=Burial
Minniehaha.