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hi all
looking for info on Hannah pearson (nee tweddle) she married a john pearson in Gretna greed in 1833
john died in 1841
Hannah went to live with hr mother and father in Haltwhisle
in 1841 census
Jacob tweddell 50
Ann tweddell 50
Hannah pearson (tweddle) 25 (widow)
William pearson 1month old
thomas tweddell 20
Elizabeth tweddell 15
charlot tweddell 5
all living in haltwhisle district 18 tindale (west division)
i have been looking for hannah as she is 25 we think she may have remarried
we can fined william in northumberland living with the hewitson family in 1851 he is 10 y old
he married in 1865 we have this
looking for on his mother
mayny thanks
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I think Hannah might have remarried (had you checked freeBMD for this by the way?)
There is a possible marriage in the Hexham RD in June q. 1845 - Hannah Pearson to either James Turnbull or George Elliott.
Following up these two surnames to the 1851 census, there is a Hannah Elliott married to George. In the household is an Elizabeth Pearson who is described as George's daughter in law (probably meaning step-daughter). She was born in Haltwhistle which is where Hannah was living in 1841.
HO 107 / 2415 / 287 / 10
Lees, Haydon
George Elliott, head, M, 31, smelter, Northd. Langley
Hannah do, wife, m, 29, do Coanwood
Elizabeth Pearson, daur in law, 9, do Haltwhistle
Richard Elliott, son, 4, do Langley
George do, son, 3, do Lees
William do, 7 mo. do do
Jennifer
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hi
the only thing is that we only know that hannah had 2 sons with john before he died in 1841
william and joseph
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the only thing is that we only know that hannah had 2 sons with john before he died in 1841
Fair enough - but you haven't bothered to say anything about what I have said in reply to your enquiry.
Jennifer
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Elizabeth Pearson is still with the family in 1861 - this time described as 'stepdaughter'.
freeBMD shows the birth of an Elizabeth Pearson in the 4th q. of 1841, Haltwhistle 25 274.
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Evie pointed out to me that there is a Baptism on the IGI for an Elizabeth Pearson, on 17th November 1841. I had a look at this on the Bishops transcripts, and it is to a Hannah Pearson - who is, however, a 'spinster', so probably not your Hannah Pearson.
Also, I realise that the age of the Hannah I gave you yesterday doesn't tie up with that in the 1841 census.
By the way, the 1841 census doesn't say that Hannah is a widow. Also, William is 6 months old in that census, not 1 month.
Jennifer
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It would have been really useful to know that you put a similar enquiry on this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,389835.msg2613454.html#msg2613454 and that someone else has been searching for this family.
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Jennifer and I have looked at the 1841 census again and it looks like Hannah was not born England. Do you know where she was born as the mark is not clear?
Could it possibly be Scotland seeing that the family eventually settled in Haltwhistle?
Evie
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hi
i have hannah born in allenhead
i have looked on ancestry and i says allenhead (northumberland)
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hi jenb
i have been looking in my books to see when haanah was born
i had down allenhead
i looked in my book and found that it was farlam i think it is in cumberland
and john was from bolton
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looked in my book and found that it was farlam i think it is in cumberland
On the IGI there is a Hannah Tweddle baptized 9th April 1811 in Farlam.
Is that your Hannah?
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I saw that too Jennifer - for Hannah
Just for reference
Charlotte Tweddle who is on the 1851 with Jacob and Ann was christened at Wetheral 17 March 1833 given to Jacob Tweddle and Ann Slater. This is where it was stated on the 1851 that she was born. So the family were living there in 1833 when Hannah married John Pearson - well at least in March maybe they could have moved by November
William 1819 and Elizabeth 1822
How far is Wetheral from Farlam, I'll have to check that
Added distance between the two 7 miles
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How far is Wetheral from Farlam, I'll have to check that
About 8 miles :)
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Added distance between the two 7 miles
How far is Wetheral from Farlam, I'll have to check that
About 8 miles :)
Lets split the difference :D :D
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Added distance between the two 7 miles
How far is Wetheral from Farlam, I'll have to check that
About 8 miles :)
Lets split the difference :D :D
;D ;D It's a pity Hannah wasn't as easy.
Now if this is THE Hannah you found in 1841 she is either staying with relatives or we are dealing with a different Hannah altogether
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hi all
on the 1841 census there are
Jacob tweddell 50 born in 1791
Ann tweddell 50 born in 1791
thomas tweddell 20 born in 1821
Elizabeth tweddell 15 born in 1826
charlot tweddell 5 born in 1836
Hannah pearson 25 born in 1816/17
William pearson born in 1841
all living at haltwhistle
Hannah married in 1833 at about 16 years old if you take 16 from 1833 you get 1816/17
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Anthony
We have already seen the 1841 census, how do you know she was about 16 when she married? The 1841 census does not state relationships and you have to remember that in the 1841 census enumerators rounded down ages to the appropriate multiple of 5 over 15 years of age and also often people could not remember their true age or whoever gave the enumerator the information.
Also in response to Jennifer's question was that your Hannah that she found on the IGI christened in Farlam?
Another question that I have is that you thought you had down Hannah as born Allendale - where did that info come from?
I'm sorry if I sound picky but in order to help you we do need facts and responses to our questions
Evie
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Anthony,
I agree with everything evie has said.
You are not answering any of the questions we've asked.
It is really difficult to try and help you when you simply repeat things you already posted, and don't give evidence for your statements.
Jennifer
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HI
A FAMILY MEMBER OLGA WENT TO GRETNA GREEN TO LOOK FOR THE MARRAGE OF HANNAH AND JOHN
THEY MARRIED IN 1833
OLGA HAS SENT ME A LITTLE INFO ON THE FAMILY OF TWEDDELL
JACOB TWEDDELL MARRIED A ANN SLATER IN 1817 ISH
ON THE IGI SHE FOUND THEM
THOMAS TWEDDELL WAS BORN IN 1817 AT FARLAM THE SAME PLACE AS HANNAH SHE WAS BORN FIRST
HANNAH AND JOHN MARRIED IN 10/11/1833 OLGA SAYS SHE WAS A BOUT 16 WHEN THEY MARRIED
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First of all Anthony don't shout >:(
I am confused as to what you are saying about Thomas and Hannah? Are you saying they are brother and sister?
If you check the IGI you will see that Thomas and Hannah have different parents.
Batch number P004811
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HI
A FAMILY MEMBER OLGA WENT TO GRETNA GREEN TO LOOK FOR THE MARRAGE OF HANNAH AND JOHN
THEY MARRIED IN 1833
OLGA HAS SENT ME A LITTLE INFO ON THE FAMILY OF TWEDDELL
JACOB TWEDDELL MARRIED A ANN SLATER IN 1817 ISH
ON THE IGI SHE FOUND THEM
THOMAS TWEDDELL WAS BORN IN 1817 AT FARLAM THE SAME PLACE AS HANNAH SHE WAS BORN FIRST
HANNAH AND JOHN MARRIED IN 10/11/1833 OLGA SAYS SHE WAS A BOUT 16 WHEN THEY MARRIED
I'm sorry you find it necessary to shout.
Evie and I have been trying to help. But its difficult when you never answer the questions we ask.
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Hi Anthony
I am sure you did not realise that writing in capitals is the equivalent of shouting in netspeak but I do see the point that JenB and Evie are making re answers. Can you sit down and draw up a tree with all the known, proven facts on it then we can work from that. I did suggest this once before so maybe you have already done it? At the moment everything is very confused.
Regards
Andrea
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hi
sorry for caps forgot to turn the lock caps off i was doing a letter before coming on
i have recived info on the pearson family from cumbria and lancashire from olga messina pearson
joseph pearson born in1790 is johns father from cumbria
elizabeth pearson (nee bell ) born in 1793 is johns mother from cumbria
they had 9 children
john pearson born in 1813 married a hannah johnston in 1833 in gretna green (have be toled that by olga messina pearson she is a family member doing family tree for 12 y)
hannah tweddell's mother is ann tweddell (nee slater)born in 1791
hannah's father is jacob tweddell born in 1791
hannah's husband john pearson died in 1841 (i have been told by olga)
hannah went to live with her mother and father in haltwhistle after her husband died
she went with her only son william born in 1841
her first son joseph pearson died in 1834
wth hannah only 25 when john died we think she may have remarried ?
hannah was living at farlam cumbria
john is from bolton cumbria
there marrage was witnessed by john graham / sarah sowerby / and john russell
william married a rachel johnston from whithaven in 1865 in co durham then they moved to gateshead
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Hi Anthony
I don't mean to be rude but I believe that some of the information you have been given is not accurate.
I have to go out soon but I think it may be in your best interest to take this slowly and from the beginning and one step at a time. This way Jennifer and I can help you most, even when we do our family tree for years we can all make mistakes. I know I have.
To start who are you working back from? Is it possibly one of William Pearson's children or later than that? Please don't mention any living people though.
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hi
i am trying to get all i can on Hannah pearson (nee tweddle) born in 1816 married in 1833 at 16/17years old
1 did she have more children
2 who she remarried if she did
3 were she was living from 1841 to her death
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Hi Anthony
I know you must be frustrated, so are we :) but.....
There is no evidence to show that Hannah was born in 1816 nor that she married at 16/17 years old in Gretna.
I agree she was married in Gretna in 1833 to John Pearson but I have seen the two original images concerning this marriage and neither image has her age stated or John's.
I have spoken to an indexer of these images and we have concluded that they have been indexed from the original source. On one image I saw there were the signatures of John and Hannah. Of all the images she has indexed she has never come across a record with an age stated.
Until we confirm when and where she was born I think it will be very difficult to pin her down after the 1841 census
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hi
this is from olga off the igi
Ann slater married Jacob Tweddle check below son Thomas born same place as Hannah she was the first born they married 1817
Husband
JACOB TWEDDLE
Pedigree
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:
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Wife
ANN
Pedigree
Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:
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Children
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1.
THOMAS TWEDDLE
Pedigree
Male
Birth:
Christening:
10 AUG 1817
Farlam, Cumberland, England
Death:
tryed to copy from igi
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What evidence have you for the birth of Hannah to Jacob and Ann? If the christening of Thomas is there then so should Hannah's
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Anthony, what has your latest posting got to do with Hannah Tweddle/Pearson?
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hi
have been told by olga that thomas is hannahs brother
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hi
have been told by olga that thomas is hannahs brother
If you are still in contact with Olga please ask her for the source from which this deduction has come about as I am not convinced at all. However I would be very happy to be proved wrong.
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hi
i have just sent her an e-mail
just waiting
i have just been looking at my info on ancestry about Hannah i have saved some info
i have Hannah pearson at 75 y old in 1891 in horsley northumberland
with it says daughter in law Ann pearson both widows
Ann is 50 born about 1841 northumberland
both born in allendale northumberland not to sure if this is right or not ?
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Hi
Just been tracing Hannah born Allendale back through the census from 1891 to 1841 and she was married to a James Pearson so it is not the Hannah you are after.
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hi all
i was thinking at if it says that Hannah tweddle was from farlam cumberland and john pearson was from
Bolton cumberland
may be she was born in farlam in 1816
and if she was 16or 17 at the time
john would have been 20 as the was born in 1813 to a Joseph Pearson
and Elizabeth bell
have sent some e mails to Olga
she says that she came across the Gretna green on ancestry
i found it on a general search on the net
all that i have but on forum she sent to me
the info on Hannah's family i found on ancestry in 1841 census for allendale and haltwhistle in northumberland
1) we know that john died in 1841
2) we know that Hannah went to live with her mother and father
3) we do not know if she was pregnant by john when he died
4) we do not know if she remarried
5) we do not know if she had more children
6)we do not know when she died of were she died
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Hi Anthony
I am finding this very confusing. So that I can see what all this is about could you please tell me who your Pearson grandfather was and who he married? I would find it much easier to work back again from known facts. Lets us ignore Olga for a while and just have what you know as fact.
Regards
Andrea
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hi
in 1901 census William pearson and Rachel is living next door to thomas pearson his son and his wife Elizabeth
1899 thomas pearson and Elizabeth Mccarrick got married in June in gateshead
1891census William pearson are living in gateshead
1881 census William pearson and Rachel are living in whickham co Durham with there 7 children
1871 census William pearson and Rachel are living at ryhope co Durham with 3 children
Elizabeth pearson born in 1866 in escomb co Durham
Hannah pearson born in 1868 in leadgate co Durham
Robert pearson born in 1870 in bishop ackland co Durham
1865 William pearson married Rachel johnston from whitehaven
1861 Rachel johnston is living in coxhoe co Durham as a house servant
1851 William pearson is living with thomas hawitson family in hartlyburn in northumberland
1841 census William pearson and his mother Hannah pearson (nee tweddle) living in haltwhistle
her mother is Ann tweddell 50 her father is Jacob tweddell 50
all living at haltwhistle district 18 page 5 tindale (west division)
Williams 's father is john pearson born in 1813 he married Hannah johnston in 1833 at Gretna green witnessed by john Russell / john graham and Sarah sowerby we do not know who they are
johns father was Joseph pearson born in 1790 he married a Elizabeth bell in 1812 cumberland
Joseph pearson's father was thomas pearson born in 1753 he married a Jane foster in 1783
thomas pearson's father was William pearson born in 1714 in cumberland he married a Mary Wilkinson in 1745 in cumberland
this is all info i have
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Anthony
You have not answered Andrea's question.
Who are you actually working back from that you know is a definite relative of yours? A grandfather or Grandmother perhaps? If they are still alive then PM us with the details.
If you cannot answer the question then it is very difficult to help you.
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hi all
i started from thomas pearson (my grand father) born in 1872 and his wife elizabeth mccarrick
these are the first that i looked at as my father remembered them
from there i found his mother and father (william and rachel )
then found his mother and father (john and hannah) looking for more info on hannah
then found olga looking for members of the pearson family on ancestry
went looking on the net for john pearson and hannah tweddle's marrage
found it at gretna green
in 1861 rachel johnston was a house servant she was 19 y old
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Right. Thomas and Elizabeth married in Gateshead in 1899. Now for 1901....
Andrea
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Rg13 4750 192 57 55 Planet Row Gateshead
Thomas Pearson 26 Coal miner hewer b Lancs Holy Wood
Elizabeth 19
John 2
Alice 6 months all b Gateshead
and next door
William Pearson 64 coal miner hewer b Lancs Holy Wood
Rachael 62 b Cumberland Whitehaven
Isabella 21 b Durham Dunston?
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1891 Rg12 4175 27 48 13 Walker St Gateshead
William 49 coal miner b Lancashire
Rachel 51 b Cumberland
Robert 21 coal miner b Auckland
Thomas 19 coal miner b Felling
Charlotte 16 b Gateshead
Jane Ann 14 b Dunston
Bell 11 b Dunston
This has a different age and birth place for Thomas but ties in with 1911 index details.
1881 RG115043 29 11
This shows William as born in Scotland! Plus two older children Elizabeth 15 and Hannah 13 born at Escomb and Leadgate.
Andrea
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1871 RG10 5012 37 67 in Cory Street Ryhope
William's birth place is Hollingswood Lancs. Age 31 so born c 1840
This confirms everything back to 1871 but now gets us back to more uncertain times. Do you have the marriage certificate for William and Rachel? Sorry, you may have said on another thread but I can't find it. Is that where you got his father as John? Who were the witnesses?
You say that in 1841 William is with his mother Hannah nee Tweddle in 1841 yet the marriage for John at Gretna was to a Hannah Johnston so this does not make sense to me. Is this a typing error?
Regards
Andrea
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Good work Andrea :)
Now this is interesting and I don't know if there is a link here yet as I have not had time to look but Rachael in 1861 is living next door to a Pearson family.
RG9; Piece: 3741; Folio: 7; Page: 8
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And there is a William age 20 with them! Born in Durham though and son of a Thomas. You are making life more complicated!!!
Andrea
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And there is a William age 20 with them! Born in Durham though and son of a Thomas. You are making life more complicated!!!
Andrea
I know sorry, ignore that for the moment.
Just been looking on Lancashire BMD and to me there is a choice of two William's, one born to Tweedale, 1841 and another to Heywood, 1840.
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hi
Hannah tweddle married to john pearson olga has seen it at Gretna green i told her of the Gretna green on internet i did a general search there
she had found it by accident then went to see it
but we had found William's birth in lancashire to a Hannah pearson (nee tweddle)
olga told me that some of the pearson family had moved to lancashire in about 1830's
so she had been looking for there marrage (Hannah and john but did not fined it there )
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The problem is Anthony, unless you have proof of William's father through his marriage certificate or a parish record we don't know whether his mother is a Tweedale or Heywood as there were two born around the same time in Lancashire in the district of Oldham.
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I think you will have to get the marriage certificate to be sure of which line to follow as it will give his father's name and occupation. It is just such a risk not to.
Andrea
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Hi Anthony :)
I agree with Andrea and Evie that you definitely need to get concrete documentary evidence to prove this line, i.e. you need to get William and Rachael's marriage certificate to confirm the name of William's father. Otherwise everything is just based on supposition.
we had found William's birth in lancashire to a Hannah pearson (nee tweddle)
Have you got the birth certificate? If not, how do you know the mother's christian name is Hannah?
1841 census William pearson and his mother Hannah pearson (nee tweddle) living in haltwhistle
her mother is Ann tweddell 50 her father is Jacob tweddell 50
If you know that Jacob and Ann are Hannah's parents you must have evidence such as a Baptism Record. What evidence have you got?
Jennifer
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Hi Anthony,
How strange not to respond to our latest replies on this subject.
Andrea and Evie, and to a lesser extent myself, have given a lot of time to try to understand and unravel this question.
Apart from your very first posting you haven't even bothered to say thankyou.
Jennifer
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hi
the only evidence i have is a census for 1841 for northumberland
i have sent some e mails to olga to see if she has or marrage cert of john and hannah
and birth of william
i did a search in bmd of lancashire and came up with william pearson born in 1840 to
a hannah tweedale
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hi
the only evidence i have is a census for 1841 for northumberland
i have sent some e mails to olga to see if she has or marrage cert of john and hannah
and birth of william
i did a search in bmd of lancashire and came up with william pearson born in 1840 to
a hannah tweedale
I for one am not interested in John and Hannah at the moment, they may not be the parents of William, nor am I interested in his birth certificate as it could be the wrong William.
The only way we can help now is evidence from William and Rachael's marriage certificate to see who his father is.
As I have said before there are two possible William's on Lancashire BMD registered at Oldham. One to a Heywood born 1840 Chadderton and another to a Tweedle born 1841 Oldham Below Town. I must also add that there are no first names mentioned for the mother only her maiden surname.
Thank you
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hi all
i have just got william pearson marrage certificate
Moderator comment: image removed. Only SMALL portions of certificates may be posted and then only to assist with deciphering handwriting.
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Hi Anthony :)
Well that is excellent news that John was the father of William. Thank you for sharing the certificate with us.
Evie
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hi all
on the marrage certifacate william pearson was a miner
and robert johnson was a miner
john pearson was a miner
i was suprized that rachael could not wirte her name dose eny one have 1861 census for blue row bishop auckland
sorry that the certifacte was removed
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Hi Anthony
I did look last night at Blue Row, Bishop Auckland but couldn't see anything which resembled William unless I have missed something.
Evie
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Hi
I wonder if this could be William under the name Hewitson in 1861
RG9; Piece: 3866; Folio: 99; Page: 15
Yes it most probably is as it is the same family he was with in 1851
Evie
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i was suprized that rachael could not wirte her name
Many people were still illiterate around that time.
sorry that the certifacte was removed
Certificates are Crown Copyright, and you aren't allowed to reproduce them in full on Rootschat.
I wonder if this could be William under the name Hewitson in 1861
RG9; Piece: 3866; Folio: 99; Page: 15
Yes it most probably is as it is the same family he was with in 1851
That looks very promising, Evie, and hopefully Anthony will think so too
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hi all
i have just e-mailed oldham to see if they can help to make sure i get the right william pearson
and may be his mother to
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Anthony
Well I am very shocked and upset that I have spent the time last night trawling through Blue Row and then this morning searching high and low for William, and you haven't once acknowledged what I have found >:(
I have done far less on here for other people and yet they have been extremely grateful. You don't seem to be. A please and a thank you goes a long way in my book.
I wish you luck with further searches, but as the dragons say in the den, I'm out!!
Evie
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Well I am very shocked and upset that I have spent the time last night trawling through Blue Row and then this morning searching high and low for William, and you haven't once acknowledged what I have found >:(
I have done far less on here for other people and yet they have been extremely grateful. You don't seem to be. A please and a thank you goes a long way in my book.
I wish you luck with further searches, but as the dragons say in the den, I'm out!!
Evie, I think you have been rather restrained in your comments. I agree wholeheartedly.
Anthony, Evie has spent a lot of time on this. Apart from your very first posting you haven't said thankyou or please once. A little courtesy goes a long way.
I'm out as well.
Jennifer
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hi
very sorry for not saying thanks to all the help
thanks to jenb and all there rest
has any one had trouble with not getting notes that there are posts to your requests for help
i have not been getting notes i have to keep checking from time to time
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hi all and thanks for all help
i have looked on the census record and just seen that in 1841 william and his mother are in haltwistle
and in 1851 he is in haltwistle (hrtleyburn) with the hewetson family
i have not got the1861 census but have 1871 census he is in ryhope ith his wife and children
thanks fo looking
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Obviously you have not read my reply #56. I don't know why I bother
Regards from all the rest
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hi Evie i have read the 56
i have looked to see if it may be him it is possible i do not know were he was in 1861
and thanks for looking
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hi all
i have just had word that john pearson died in 17 feb 1841 and that his son william was baptised in 17 feb 1841
on the sameday in hollinwood at st margaret of antioch church of england
so hannah tweddle is his mother and john his father
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hi all
i have found hannah tweddle's death in the US she died in about 1850
thanks to all for the help on this matter