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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: atticus on Tuesday 29 December 09 21:23 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Could some one help me please! I am trying to find my great grandfather on the 1891 census, he was Jonathan Lees born 1875 Liverpool, I have come across Jamathen Lees born 1877 Liverpool, address Newsboys Home Everton Road. Does any body know what type of home this was and if so are there any records left?
Thank you Atticus
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Can't help re: the home but the entry looks to be the correct one as he is not with father Jonathan in 1891 (who has re-married to Elizabeth)
RG12 Piece 2995 Folio 57 Page 51
Deaths March qtr 1886
Lydia Lees aged 31 Liverpool 8b 111
Marriages September qtr 1888
Jonathan Lees/Elizabeth Amery Liverpool 8b 97
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It's full title was 'Newsboys' Home, and Home for Friendless and Destitute Boys'. It is listed under Charitable Institutions and Homes, so it would have been set up by a private charity and not run by church or corporation.
You should ask at Liverpool Record Office if they have the records, or the Charity Commission to see if it was taken over by another charity that still exists.
Ken
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Hi Carole and Ken
The information you stated are my family, so you think I could be onto a winner then?
I am planning to go up to Liverpool in the next 3 months or so, can I email the records office to see if they have this information or do I need to turn up in person, sorry to be so vague but much as I have done a ton of research most of it has been done on the internet now I want to put meat on my family bones.
Atticus
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Hi
You can email or telephone the records office to check if those records are available
recoffice.central.library@liverpool.gov.uk
Tel: General enquiries: 0151 233 5817
Don't leave your visit too late though - the records office is closing for a refurbishment - date n/k but keep an eye on this link
http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8299
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I'm trying to find a relative THOMAS GEORGE DAVIES b. 1902 who was there from about 1905 when he was orphaned until about 1913.
I cant find the Newsboys in the 1911 census.
Any help welcomed.
John
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Was Thomas born in Liverpool or elsewhere? Who were his parents?
Rootschat do not allow 1911 lookups so we can only possibly give you general guidance.
Have you checked with Liverpool RO as per reply above
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Thanks! I have checked with Lpool RO. They dont have any records for Newsboys. I suspect it may have been taken over by another charity at some point. It doesnt show up on he 1911 census.
THOMAS GEORGE DAVIES was born in Liverpool on 10 April 1902. We know for definite his moher was called Ann and his grandmother was ELLENOR. The name of his father isnt clear. THOMAS GEORGE always referred to him as WALTER. However, there is no trace of a birth of TG with Walter and Ann as parents. There is though a birth of a Thomas George Davies on the exact date with Ann Davies and William Bridger Davies living at 14 Hamilton Terrace. I suspect this is the parents. They had a daughter Lucy who died as a toddler in a house accident. TG's parents both died about 1905. TG was then put in the Newsboys Home until his teens when he went to sea.
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I think this may be the entry you are referring to
Baptism at St Benedict Everton 25.5.1902
Thomas George Davies b 10.4.1902 parents William Bridger Davies masons labourer and Ann - address 14 Hamilton Terrrace
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This would be his birth reg
Births June qtr 1902
Thomas George Davies West Derby 8b 608
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Yes - I think almost certainly this is him but his life after that is less clear and he Newsboys years would shed some light. W think at some point his grandmother ELLENOR took him out of he home and lived at 69 Everton Terrace
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Do you know his mothers maiden name as there is no marriage for a William Bridger Davies to an Ann
I can't find a birth for a William Bridger Davies either
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This is why its complicated. Ann's mother Ellenor seemed to be married to a guy called August Malily but later divorced or he died (he was a german seaman so just before WW1). Ellenor later married James Willian Davies. So Ann may have been Malily at birth but later became Davies. So - her maiden name and married name could have been Davies
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Ellenor Davies married August Malitz in 1907. I assume you have Malily from the 1911 census entry
I think you need to buy a copy of the 1902 birth cert for Thomas George Davies to clarify his parentage and particularly Ann's maiden name
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The marriage is on Family Search
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJJ5-KK8
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I have a young boy Charles Richardson aged 18 ( he was in fact 16) in the Newsboy Home Liverpool on the 1891 census. It gives all inmates and staff.