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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: H to M => Topic started by: yelkcub on Thursday 31 December 09 20:40 GMT (UK)
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I am researching a family surnamed HOYLE who were farmers, weavers and stonemasons in the area round Whitworth, Rochdale. If this connects with your research I would love to hear from you to exchange information.
Ian
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my HOYLES are Bacup, Crawshawbooth, Cliviger, Dunnockshaw are those places too far from Whitworth. I have Ada 1878 - 1952, Johns and James 1838, 1802. If you see any connection please email
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Thanks for getting in touch. I think our Hoyles are probably connected - but a long long way back in history. I seem to remember that what one researcher called 'Hoyle HQ' was between Whitworth and Bacup. I also seem to remember that at least some of the Bacup / Crawshawbooth Hoyles were Quakers. It's been quite some time since I posted this Hoyle query, so I'm a little vague on the detail, but my Hoyles can be traced - always in Whitworth - to the mid-1600s. The names you gave do not appear in my family tree - sorry! Best of luck with your research.
You could have a look at http://www.rossendale-fhhs.org.uk/
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Looking for a Samuel Hoyle or Hoyles, born 1793 Whitworth, Lancashire, England. Parents unknown
John B.
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Sorry no Samuels in my line.....James and John and I think a Ned
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No Samuel in my tree either - but, as I wrote, there were several branches of the family in the Whitworth area, possibly all stemming from one source.
What we have to call the Hoyle HQ was Fair Well or Fair Wall farm (Above Stacksteads near Bacup) not far north of Whitworth in hilly country. John Hoyle of 'Farewell' made a nuncupative will, dated 9th October 1613. The family lived there for two centuries (Henry Fishwick, History of Rochdale).
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Thank you! back to the drawing board. Samuel was "pressed into service at age 14" and was in Canada during the war of 1812. Captured at Battle of bridgewater July 1814.
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Good luck with your search - sounds like a fascinating story and well worth pursuing. Did your Samuel live long enough to be included in the 1841 census?
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Yes, but he returned to Massachusetts (U.S.) after the war, and married in 1816. He later removed to Illinois (U.S.), where he died in 1875.
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As I said - a fascinating story to be researching. Two observations: the surname 'Hoyles', rather than 'Hoyle'. In Rochdale St Chad'd baptism register for the years around Samuel's birth, there is not one 'Hoyles'. I would think he must have been Hoyle.
Second observation - the practice of pressed service into the RN was, to the best of my knowledge, restricted to coastal communities. Since Whitworth is quite some way from the sea ... either, Samuel happened to be by the coast at the time of his impress (at a time in history when travel far from one's native town / village was highly uncommon ... though he may have been a runaway) OR the story is a family legend, embroidered (by Samuel?) over the years. That the place name Whitworth was mentioned in his US obituary is the most significant feature of the item. Perhaps you could find out more about the church of which Samuel was such a stalwart member. If Samuel came from a nonconformist background then his baptism may not have been conducted in the established church.
Just some random thoughts ... I hope you will post any developments you manage to make.
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From further research on his military service, in the prisoner of war records, he is listed as Private in the Royal Artillery. Captured 3 July 1814 (not 1813 as it says in the obit). He was later marched to Canada in March 1815, and as mentioned earlier, he then returned to Massachusetts in the U.S.
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I believe he was at Fort Erie in Canada when he was captured. I also believe his name was listed Hoyle in the prisoner records.