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Hester Eastwood or Eastman (1743 -1808) married Thomas Fenner (1739-1817) in the Ticehurst / Burwash / Mayfield area of Sussex. I would like to confirm whether she was an Eastwood or an Eastman and who her parents / ancestors were ? Is she related to Ann Monk (b1719 ) ? Ann Monk married William Eastwood (b1719) and they had up to 15 or 16 children at least. But wherever I look, no mention of a Hester. If Hester was their child this would give my wife a line back to Margaret Boleyn(c1490) sister to Thomas Boleyn (1477-1538). Any help / clarification appreciated.Thanks.
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From the Sussex Marriage Index
Mayfield, East Sussex, 7 Apr 1763
Thomas FENNER
Esther EASTWOOD, (Esther) d/o John E.
SMI does not usually list any parents, but has in this case. She might have been under 21
Ian C
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Possible parents for Esther
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Withyham, East Sussex, 21 May 1739
John EASTWOOD
Elizabeth PET, of Mayfield (lic)
From the Sussex Marriage Index
Mayfield, East Sussex, 26 Dec 1726
John EASTWOOD
Katherine PEARL, (B)
Ian C
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Ian C - Thank you very much for the info
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If Hester was their child this would give my wife a line back to Margaret Boleyn(c1490) sister to Thomas Boleyn (1477-1538).
I had a close look at this yesterday as my direct line ancestor is William Eastwood who married Ann Monk, I know some others on this board also have the same ancestors. I notice on Ancestry that there is one person at least who has linked this line to the Boleyns. The lynchpin of the connection is Mary French born in 1651 who married Ann Monks grandfather Stephen Monk.
There are however two Mary French born in 1651
1) Mary French bap 16 Feb 1651 All Saints Heathfield Parents: Richard French (& possibly Barbara Humfry)
2) Mary French bap 3 May 1651 Parish Church, Chiddingly Parents: Steven French Esq & Susan Foster Daughter of Sir Robert Foster Chief Justice of England.
The second Mary French is the one who links to the Boleyns, however there is a burial record for her in Chiddingly as follows:
Burial: 13 Mar 1696 Mary French Daughter of Susan French Deceased (She was buried in 1695)
It seems likely then that Stephen Monk married the first Mary French, both were from Heathfield, they married in Heathfield and were buried in Heathfield (Stephen in 1721 & Mary in 1726).
I followed the first Mary French line back to see if it connected further back but I couldn't see any.
I would appreciate it if someone could check my reasoning, I know Chris has some Heathfield records that might help here.
Regards Sean
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Thanks for the replies & info
swebby - I think you are right. I have done some research myself, inluding Mandy Willard's site and the Mary French that Stephen Monk married is not the one that connects back to the Boleyn family. So the Eastwoods do not have a connection back to the Boleyn's at least not through Ann Monk's ancestor.
My wife was always told by her grandmother that her family were related to the Boleyn's. I have been looking for 3 years and have not found the connection yet. In the 1960's, a now deceased relative of my wife, claimed he had found the connection. But the documents proving this appear to be lost. The only clue I have is that the connection was through one of my wife's great grandparents Ruth Leaney (b1860, Ticehurst who married Arthur Frederick Newman (b1860, Shere, Surrey). The additional surnames we have so far from their ancestors are Nash, Dawes, Elliot, Sheet, Freeland, Goodchild, Geare, Glydd, Ashdown, Cross, Fenner, Bones, Eastwood, Baldwin, Akehurst, Rodgers, Bristow, Callow, Downwood, & Stone.
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Four of the surnames you mention appear in the Visitation of Sussex 1662, they are Geare, Baldwyn, Callow and Newman.
Sean
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some others on this board also have the same ancestors
:-\ I do...well I would if I could decide who this lady's parents are..
I have Susanna Eastwood married in Mayfield 1771 to Thomas Nailard SMI also records 'father John Eastwood' giving her a birth year c1750/55
On balance of probability I have chosen John Eastwood and Elizabeth Pet as parents...but where do I go next, any ideas, I don't seem to be able to verify anything with baptism records.
Does anyone know the extent of missing/unreadable register years from Mayfield?
Suey
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The SFHG database has missing registers between 1701 & 1759 unfortunately.
In 1760 there is an Elizabeth Eastwood born to John & Margaret. Cannot see a marriage on SMI for them though.
I think Kerryb had some stuff on Mayfield, could be wrong though.
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Thanks Sean, I am a member of SFHG and have seen the gap in their records.
I've also looked for that marriage and wondered could Margaret be the Mary Simonds m to John ESTWOOD 1759 in Mayfield :-\
I'll see if I can catch kerryb about somewhere :)
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According to Janet Sutton (GR) her family tree has a Richard Eastwood (1706 -1800) marrying twice, first to Katherine Pearl (c1700) with issue of two daughters, Sarah (b1728) & Katherine (b1732) & secondly, to Elizabeth Pet (b1710) with no issue. This Richard Eastwood's parents are recorded as John Eastwood (1678-1743) & Ann Piper (1676-1742), with four other siblings Sarah(b1709), Jane (b1710), Thomas (1712-1782) & William (b1714).
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Hi guys
I don't know how I missed this thread but somehow I did ::) ;D
I have Mayfield prs 1571 - 1812 on cd. Not sure I should advertise that fact in view of copyright but there you go ::)
Just going to drag out my Eastwood notes and will see if anything I can add
Kerry
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If Hester was their child this would give my wife a line back to Margaret Boleyn(c1490) sister to Thomas Boleyn (1477-1538).
I had a close look at this yesterday as my direct line ancestor is William Eastwood who married Ann Monk, I know some others on this board also have the same ancestors. I notice on Ancestry that there is one person at least who has linked this line to the Boleyns. The lynchpin of the connection is Mary French born in 1651 who married Ann Monks grandfather Stephen Monk.
There are however two Mary French born in 1651
1) Mary French bap 16 Feb 1651 All Saints Heathfield Parents: Richard French (& possibly Barbara Humfry)
2) Mary French bap 3 May 1651 Parish Church, Chiddingly Parents: Steven French Esq & Susan Foster Daughter of Sir Robert Foster Chief Justice of England.
The second Mary French is the one who links to the Boleyns, however there is a burial record for her in Chiddingly as follows:
Burial: 13 Mar 1696 Mary French Daughter of Susan French Deceased (She was buried in 1695)
It seems likely then that Stephen Monk married the first Mary French, both were from Heathfield, they married in Heathfield and were buried in Heathfield (Stephen in 1721 & Mary in 1726).
I followed the first Mary French line back to see if it connected further back but I couldn't see any.
I would appreciate it if someone could check my reasoning, I know Chris has some Heathfield records that might help here.
Regards Sean
Hi swebby
I have Mary French who married Stephen Monk as baptised 1 Feb 1651 at Warbleton to Robert French and Ann Leverie from herstmonceux. Maybe I need to revisit
Kerry
Added - Having re checked the SFHG website I think you are right, it should be Mary daughter of Richard from Heathfield for all the reasons you give. I would just like to check the Warbleton burials as I can't find a marriage for that Mary though.
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Ok Mayfield records
Esther Eastwood baptised 4 September 1743, daughter of John and Elizabeth Estwood = Eastwood
Kerry
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Other children baptised at Mayfield to John and Elizabeth Estwood = Eastwood -BTs
1739 9 Dec Sarah
1741 28 June Elizabeth
1742 18 July Mary
1744 1 Jan Anne
1746 27 April Susanna - Suey I think this interests you
1752 - 6 Jan John
1754 3 March Martha
1755 22 Feb Thomas
1757 29 april Thomas
1758 3 December Hannah
Interestingly I found one baptism to John and Katherine
27 Jan Anne
At least I presume this is 1739, but the way the CD is laid out is comes directly under the baptism of 9 Dec Sarah of John and Elizabeth under 1739 baptisms.
A burial for Katherine in 1739 and a marriage for John and Elizabeth 1739 would help
Kerry
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Marriage for John and Elizabeth Pet at Withyham on
21 May 1739
she has note - of Mayfield (lic)
Kerry
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The SFHG database has missing registers between 1701 & 1759 unfortunately.
In 1760 there is an Elizabeth Eastwood born to John & Margaret. Cannot see a marriage on SMI for them though.
I think Kerryb had some stuff on Mayfield, could be wrong though.
John Estwood married Mary Simonds 13 November 1759 at Mayfield.
Kerry
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According to my notes this John was the son of James and Elizabeth son of John and ann Piper but I have not checked this against the records as yet.
Kerry
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BTW were my answers any use to anyone. As there were no further replies I wonder if I was on the right track :-\
Kerry
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Just joined as came across this thread whilst researching my family tree.
Thanks for all the info Kerry.
What you say ties in with what I concluded about Mary French's father. I too have direct line ancestors in William Eastwood who married Ann Monk.
I initially had Mary's father down as Stephen French of Chiddingly (as others on Ancestry) but on further research I found another two more likely contenders as you did.
1. Mary French bapt 16 Feb 1650/51 Heathfield Father Richard
2. Mary French bapt 1 Feb 1651 Warbleton Father Robert
Am still undecided without further research as to which father is right. Warbleton is not far from Heathfield so until I delve deeper........
I also found the Chiddingly Church records and memorial slab for Mary French, daughter of Stephen French and Susannah Foster, and the note on the website above the memorial words said she was unmarried.
This has been bugging me for 5 years so its great to have found this info here!
Gill
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Glad to have been of help Gill.
I can feel a refresh coming on, as I haven't touched this family for a number of years either. ;D
Kerry
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BTW were my answers any use to anyone. As there were no further replies I wonder if I was on the right track :-\
Kerry
Belated thanks Kerry and apologies from 2010 :o was it that long ago!
Link to the John Vigar/ Eastwood conversation http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259641.90 in case anyone is interested.
I've had another look at the conundrum that is the Messrs' John Eastwood and using the SFHG database have come up with the following
1704 - John Eastwood (1) married to Ann Piper
c1679 - John’s birth
1728/29 a John Eastwood is in Mayfield, a tenant of Thomas Sands gent.
1743 – John Snr. died
1706 – Birth of son John
1726 – John marries K(C)atherine Pearle or Earle
1744 – A John Pearle son of William Pearle is apprenticed to John Eastwood Carpenter of Mayfield
John and Catherine seemingly have no more children after 1739
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1712 – John Eastwood baptised Mayfield to parents Jeames (sic) Eastwood and Sarah
1700? - No marriage found for Jeames and Sarah – their first child baptised in Mayfield, 1703, so a marriage date of 1700 or thereabouts?. Birth year for Jeames c1675 – could he be John Eastwoods (1) brother?
It looks as though the Eastwoods came to Mayfield prior to 1700 but where did they come from?
The earliest baptisms seem to be the children of this Jeames and Sarah from 1703 onwards…
1739 – John Eastwood married Elizabeth Pett in Withyham. Parents of ‘my’ Susannah who married Thomas Nailard.
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1700 – Earliest burial of an Unknown Eastwood, wife of John
1702 – burial of John Eastwood senior
Are these the parents of the above Jeames and John (1) ?
If anyone has any information to add or subtract all donations gratefully received ;D