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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: 'Trish' on Saturday 02 January 10 17:34 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone can help, I have two pictures which I believe to be taken in Ripon Road,Bournemouth. A relative of mine owned a Dairy in no 36 Ripon Road and I was told by my mother that T J Austin (nephew to my great grandfather) owned the two houses next door. So I took a look and took photos of the three houses involved the first being 36 Ripon Road which is where the dairy was, no 34 which is next door, and 26 which is next door to no 34. (Strange how they are numbered).
The second picture I am having problems with as it appears to have a name (behind fir tree) but I cannot read it. Can anyone recognise these properties? Are they taken here in Bournemouth or are they in South Wales?
The first house looks as though it reads Camley/Canley Vale, but has the number 135 or 155?
These photos were in a box of photos left by a relative and past to me to see if I could work out where the picture was taken.
Regards Trish
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Though they could of course really be anywhere in the UK, both these houses are built in styles which are common in the area of Bournemouth (Winton BH9) where Ripon Road is located, so as a Bournemouth resident, and without visiting the site I am quite confident both are in Bournemouth.If it is a name on the second house then it ends in "A". Could also though less likely be a house No. eg 18A if the property has been subdivided, though less likely at that time.
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I went down to the local bournemouth library and the house name Canley/Camley Vale no 135 or 155 turned out to be 135 Pine Road Winton. The other picture is a little harder to work out, if I could only find out what the name is I would be able to look it up in the Street directory Villa etc names. I have attached the picture cut down to the name plague can anyone help me work out what name this house is called? Sometime like W or V or N __PA. PLEASE HELP :'(
Regards Trish
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Pleased you got one sorted, but sorry can't see enough of the other to help.
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The whole picture is at the top of the page, with the 'maid' standing in the front garden. The name of the house is behind the fir tree. I have tried several methods trying to work out the name.
Many thanks Trish
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I agree that the house styles are typical of the Bournemouth area. It used to be common to name a house after where you come from, so having a Welsh name as the house name fits. Sorry I can't make out the other house name either though.
It looks like it starts with a V or W, then 2 more characters, then P or R and finally A. I hope you come up with the answer.
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I found one thats Pine Road Winton Bournemouth but the other is a bit harder to work out. The funny thing is I think I know the house but cannot remember for the life of me where and when!
Thanks anyway regards Trish
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Just a thought, why not ask the editor of the Bournemouth Echo to publish the picture to see if any reader can identify the house?
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Trish,
what date are we looking at for the photos ? My dad grew up in Pine Road, so, if you can let me know a rough date, he might be able to help.
cheers,
Dale.
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The whole picture is at the top of the page, with the 'maid' standing in the front garden. The name of the house is behind the fir tree. I have tried several methods trying to work out the name.
Many thanks Trish
Trish, thats a Monkey Puzzle tree, not many grown because they grow to more than 100 ft high. Someone would know this house. If it is still there(the tree) you could not miss it after all this time. Its girth would be to the window and its height would be above the house by now. Redroger is probably right about the Bmth Echo, somewhere in their archives they would have this information.
But I think wrong about the splitting of the houses. Wallisdown road being one place which did have houses split into flats when my nan moved down from scotland to bournemouth.
marcie
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Trish, what date are we looking at for the photos ? My dad grew up in Pine Road, so, if you can let me know a rough date, he might be able to help.
cheers,Dale.
Dale I would say that they date from late 1920 / 1930s. A lot of houses were built on the land along columbia road which look exactly like this. We used to go to a fairground which always came to the farmers field along there. It is now where they have a school and a housing estate, which for a while had a bad name for itself. further up the road or just off of it is Glenmoor School for girls. And it backs onto Talbot Woods, from memory. Long time since I have been around there. Kingsbere Ave.
Isnt Ripon rd off the main drag passed the police station and library <Redroger)? Dale.
Marcie.
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I found one thats Pine Road Winton Bournemouth but the other is a bit harder to work out. The funny thing is I think I know the house but cannot remember for the life of me where and when!
Thanks anyway regards Trish
And is pine road where the laundry place was?
marcie
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Marcie, I'd say you're right about the dates, and it could well be Talbot Woods/Ensbury Park kind of area. I grew up in Parham Road (off Columbia Trees Lane) and Glenmoor Road (near the school), so I used to know the area pretty well. I suspect that the tree will no longer be there - as you say, it'd be huge by now, and that front garden doesn't look like it could take such a big tree.
Linda
PS - I'm wondering if it could also be Richmond Park area. There were a lot of houses built there at around the same time, I think.
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Marcie, I did say unlikely to have been split into flats at that time. However since I'm not far away, I'll have a look around. Don't expect to find the monkey puzzle tree though, but I have seen a few around here.
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Marcie,
if I remember rightly, as a kid, you are right. The laundry used to be on the left just before you went down the hill.
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I have remembered, it is Castle Laundry in Castle Road which is the next road to where you would have to go to take your driving test. Then there was a row of shops and the unemployment /job shop followed by the Police Station, almost opposite Winton Library as you say just before St. Peters Hill.
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Marcie, I did say unlikely to have been split into flats at that time. However since I'm not far away, I'll have a look around. Don't expect to find the monkey puzzle tree though, but I have seen a few around here.
Redroger, please don't take offence. I did not mean anything by it. My Grgran lived in Wallisdown Road on the left either 259 or 289 passed where the posh garage used to be and Greens on the other side of the road and my Nan was in a house which was split into two opposite her. ::) I might tell you about her oneday.
Marjorie
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Just thought, another way you can find out some things is either through the council archives, or an Old Kellys Directory. You can sometimes find them on line in historic archives. That would give you the owners/landlords name and also the tenant.
marjorie
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No offence taken at all Marcie, the Kellysdirectory is a good idea. Pine Road is off Wimborne Road, next to Calvin Road, opposite the library, same side as police station. Had a look on Wallisdown Road this morning, several houses in that general style, but nothing that rings a bell, the posh garage is now Woods who sell BMWs at astronomical prices, so that would be on the Poole side of the road? There was some sort of police incident there this morning either the bank or strangely at the gents hairdresser, either a bank job, or perhaps someone had shot Don Silvio Berlusconi while he was getting a haircut. All the shearers there are girls!
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PS - I'm wondering if it could also be Richmond Park area. There were a lot of houses built there at around the same time, I think.
You mean just the other side of the traffic lights either coming from charminster or winton?
As if you are heading towards Boscombe.
Can I ask Linda, which school you went to then?
marcie
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Yes, that sort of area, Marcie.
I went to St Mark's, Talbot Village, and then to Bournemouth School for Girls. Loved the former, didn't think much of the latter! ;D
Linda
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A friend of mine won a bursary to Talbot Heath School for girls. Another friend, whom I did not meet until we were both 16 went from our school, which I had left 2-3yrs previously and went to a village school then germany. She had gone to Bournemouth school for girls, her name was Rita Stein or Steiner. She felt the same which is why she left at 16.
Marcie.
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Begins to sound as though there might have been something wrong with the school at that time. By the way, I left school at 16, couldn't get out quick enough!
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It wasn't the best school, Roger, if you think that considering the best interests of the pupils important! We weren't allowed to learn to type, because we were too good to be secretaries - apparently! And we're talking the 70's here, not the 50's! I stayed for the sixth form, but more from lack of a better idea than anything else.
Which school did you go to, Marcie? And Roger, did you go to school in Bournemouth too?
Trish, sorry, kind of looks like we're hijacking your thread! :-[
Linda
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I had just turned 15 when I left. No 'O' levels or CSE's but that is another story.
Hadow Road now has a really bad name for itself, at the time I attended it paled in comparison to the school I had left behind in Germany.
marcie
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Linda, No I was brought up in Boston, and went to 2 schools there St. Thomas CofE Primary, 1945-1950, and Boston Grammar School 1950-1956. There were problems at primary school due to lack of staff, 3 teachers including the head (over 65) for 240 approx pupils, due to the war. The Grammar School had pretensions to be a public school, and I believe had taken boarders and paying pupils, we 11+ pupils were made to feel we didn't really belong.
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Ah, I think that was quite common with grammar schools at the time, Roger - my mother's was similar.
Marcie, I know the school you mean, but I don't think I knew anyone who went there. Kinson generally seems to have a bit of a reputation now, but I don't know if it's deserved (I left Bournemouth in 1988).
Linda
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Yes sorry.
Linda, in answer to your question, I went to what started as East Howe School for girls
and became Kingsleigh Comprehensive.
The reason that I did not stay at school was because of my mother, she did not think that I should, instead that I should go out to work to keep her and my sisters x 3. Old School,
girls only leave school, work for a while, meet someone and get pregnant get married. The fact that I wanted to be a vet did not count. I had been top stream all my school life until I came home. 40 girls in GCE no room for me. I sound bitter I know, but I have managed to get on since. So all things sort themselves out in the end.
marcie.
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I understand, Marcie. My father has a similar story. His parents refused to let him sit the 11+, even though he was certain to pass, because they wanted him to go out and earn money as early as possible. He left school at 14.
Linda
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A question: How can Bournemouth (or for that matter anywhere else) have comprehensive education whilst retaining Grammar Schools? If the top 20% are creamed off then education is selective and comprehensive in name only. Kinson's reputation: We moved here three years ago from Doncaster and bought a bungalow at Wallisdown, we also looked at one on Kinson Road. I was given a lift home from a meeting one night by a colleague, and as we passed it I mentioned that we had looked at the bungalow (on Kinson Road) His response: You got the best location, this is bandit country! I was surprised as my daughter's mother in law had lived in Kinson until around 3 weeks ago, and has just moved to a flat aged 87. She has never reported any problems with Kinson.
Butting in to your answer Marcie, I got GCE passed 11+ at 10years 3 months, and was prize winner in first year at Grammar School , but then went downhill fast. Got 7 GCEs at 15 was expected to get none. I was at the wrong school that was the impression I got. There was one boy there father a shop owner 2 years older than me, father had paid for him to go, worked in the shop and if he was stuffed and mounted behind the counter now noone would notice the difference, only the quiet. Just ordered to attend for food.
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Another friend of mine sat next to me in third year, her parents wanted her to do GCE's instead of CSE. Her sister had been in GCE stream and they felt that she should have the same chances. So they spoke to the school, pushed their daughter into having extra lessons to get her up to standard.
By the time I was about to leave she was sub prefect, enjoying being there. A few years later, she was married and 3 kids. Valerie. Lovely girl, big heart.
marcie
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Kinson was Kinson only when I was growing up. East Howe was a nice area and west Howe was a bad area. By the time I was in early teens Leybourne Avenue had a really bad name for themselves.
The schools I went to in Germany were forces schools. Of course we went to Germany in the January and I had to get used to a new school and do my 11+ in the May/June of the same year.
The secondary school I went to, was strangely structured. ABC was grammar D-H was secondary and if you did well you could go upwards into the Grammar School. It was (Junior School in distance was for me like going from Dorchester to Bournemouth and took about 40mins, being collected at about 8am. Senior school was like going to London every day starting at 7.15am and not getting khome until 6.30pm every night. I loved it.
marjorie
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Going back to the subject: the Winton Library or the reference library in kPoole should have old Kellys Directories. Could always phone them to ask how far back the directories go. see if they have a 1920/30's version or can tell us when they first came out and whether there was anything else around at the time that could have helped.
marcie
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Leybourne Avenue has settled down really well in my opinion, I know of no problems in the last three years since we have lived in Bournemouth. The school structure does seem strange, to facilitate movement to the Grammar School presumably? I know of a similar though informal arrangement at a secondary modern in Boston some 60 years ago, pupils there had the chance to take the 11+ at 13 and move t Grammar School. There was no move in the opposite direction though.
Travelling to school is a vexed problem, certainly in a large rural county, I know of children from Bottesford area, West of Grantham who travelled daily by train to Skegness as Skegness Grammar School was considered a better school. I wondered whether a 5hour+ round trip daily was really in the children's best interests overall?
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When I lived in W.Kingston nr. Bere, in the summer I would be wakened by the sun coming in through the two big picture windows at 6a.m I would get dressed go up to the farm and get the cows in for milking from the field. I would wait until the milk had been washed etc. and take my container back hom next door. In Germany I would be up around 6a.m breakfasted, washed and dressed ready to catch the bus. Sometimes the junior school bus would turn up at 7.45, sometimes 8am.
It is strange, but I found no problem with it. Only ever missed the bus once to go home, never again. Not sure that it does any damage, but it means that the friendships you make are fleeting, and I think that in the long term it does do damage to the way you look at relationships as a whole.
marcie
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Never had those problems, 10 minute walk to primary school, 20 minute bike ride to Grammar School. My kids had it even better, 10 minute walk to primary, 5 minute walk to Comprehensive, with not even a road to cross! A fifteen minute walk to 6th form did involve crossing the former A1 though, but at that age they were equipped for it.
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The reason they did this in Germany, was because they stayed on until they were 18, as there were no colleges; and if you wanted to attend college you were sent home to the country you belonged to, mainly Britain. But we had Canadians, Americans and the like there as well. I was in D1, my friend Jane was in F1 with Elizabeth, she was suspended, then eventually expelled and in the forces it would mean that her father would be hauled up in front of his commanding officer and reprimanded as well. She was 1 of 8 kids, very poor and she would steel things. But never from me, not after the first time in Juniors anyway. She would also get into fights. The Head boy was Canadian and wanted to go into the RAF with stripes on his sleeve so he stayed on to do his AS Level which at the time I had never heard of. He was studying electronics To an eleven yr old, he was dreamy.....
It is a different sort of life.
marjorie
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You mean they had the legs and could run.!
marjorie
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By age 16 they knew how to cross a road. Never did have a sense of humour, it probably comes from my Anglo Saxon Ancestors!
The sins of the father being visited on the daughter then? we had a similar thing with travel facilities on the railway. If a spouse or child of the employee was caught misusing travel facilities then the employee was liable to dismissal. Rigidly enforced, it saved management redundancy and pension payments if they could sack a few, but manifestly unfair in my opinion. What influence has a parent got over a child who is at university but still enjoying travel facilities until they leave? In most cases not a lot.
Back to the topic, I think the idea of Kelly's directory is a good one, and when I next go to the archive will have a look.
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It just shows the differences between people with their views on education and life in general. Some parents badger their kids into things, some support their children to become and do their best, others have the view that its not worth it, because what will be, will be.
Children in the forces travelled a lot around the world, making new friends only to have to say goodbye and start again somewhere else. You promise to keep in touch, but it is difficult. You learn a lot of languages, briefly. Always the one for the country in which you are staying at the time, in case you need help. It gives you a broader view on life in some respects, and a narrower view in other ways. Most of my school friends were of mixed race and culture.
Marjorie
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Havent heard from Trisha for a while?!! :-\
Perhaps she thinks that we have forgotten about her. Bmth used to have a really good Research Library.
If not Kellys, do you know of another. Do we have his trade for example. Maybe we should ask her.
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When I do it, it will mostly likely be at Dorchester County Record Office. Knowing the trade would be useful though.
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Trish not been on for a while ? Probably got fed up with you 2 hijacking her thread............... ::)
Moderator comment: let's just wait patiently for Trish, shall we? Perhaps she has had other things going on which have prevented her presence here. Let's let her answer in her own time.
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Hi Gobby,
Welcome to our discussion on Ripon Road Bournemouth.
marcie
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