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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: anniebelle on Monday 04 January 10 01:35 GMT (UK)
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My ancestors, Daniel (dob c1825) and Martha McAlary/McClary (nee McIlhinney) (sp?)(dob c1820) came to Aust on Jan 10, 1844 per 'Herald' as Assist Immigrants. I am trying to locate where they originated from. They are of the Church of Rome; Daniel's parents: Neil and Mary McAlary/McClary and Martha's parents: Hugh and Anne McIlhinney (spelling?).On the immigration records it looks as though the native place is " Daysart, Co Derry" The persons certifying them for the immigration files are as follows:
Certifying Regist of Baptism: REv Geo Smith, Curate of Desertoghet, Co Derry
Physician cert health: Jas McAlister, Surgeon, of Garvagh, Ireland
Householder cert Character: Anty McAlister, Meteor, Garvagh and Robert Moore of Garvagh
Magistrate & Clergyman cert'g correctness of inform: Robt Ogilvy of Ploodbank?, Garvagh and Rev G Smith of Glebe Stilerea ?, Garvagh
Can anyone with knowledge of Co Derry give me some direction. I have not been able to find a parish of Daysart
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Anniebelle
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Some additional information: Martha's death certificate in 1895 gives her place of birth as: Coolbawn, County Drumgarra, Ireland and their place of marriage as Garvagh, Ireland. As the informant to the death cert is their Australian born son this may not be correct. Anniebelle
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The parish in question is Desertoghill (sometimes called simply "Desert" locally) and it covers a rural area in the east of the county between the towns of Kilrea and Garvagh. George Smith was the Church of Ireland (Anglican/protestant) clergyman in this parish in the 1830s (he performed the marriage ceremony for my gt gt gt grandparents in 1832) so that doesn't fit with them being Roman Catholic, unless it was a mixed marriage. You can search the area through the 1850s maps online at the following website - and search for the houses of members of their families who remained behind in Ireland.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
Not sure about Martha's birthplace - but I know there are McIlhinneys/McElhinneys in County Donegal which neighbours Co L'Derry to the west, and "Drumgarra" could just about be an Aussie rendering of Donegal :-\
Good luck in your search.
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There are 4 graveyards in Desertoghill parish :-
Desert Old Churchyard - pre-reformation site of old Church of Ireland (CoI) church until 1774
Moyletra Churchyard - current CoI church (since 1774)
Moneydig Churchyard - current Presbyterian Church (congregation only began 1835 - Presbyterians previously attended church in Garvagh or at Boveedy in Tamlaght O'Crilly parish)
Craigavole churchyard - current Roman Catholic Church (since 1734)
Had a quick check of some records and can find no McAlarys or McIlhinney gravestones in either Church of Ireland churchyard and only one recent (1960s) stone for McAlary in the Presbyterian churchyard in the parish - sorry I have no details for Craigavole. None of these churches have pre 1844 records available online.
The 1831 census partly survives for the parish (head of household only named, number of people in house split male/female and by religion) but is only available on microfilm in the Public Records Office in Belfast. I can tell you the index shows 20 McAlary households in Co Londonderry, but none with Neil as head, nor any in Desertoghill parish unfortunately. The parish was predominantly Presbyterian with about 2/3 of the population belonging to that church. All the McIlhinney households were located in the west of the county (i.e. on the border with Co Donegal) and again no mention of a Neil.
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Firstly, thank you for your advice and efforts - greatly appreciated. I have looked at the Griffth Valuation site and to my delight found 3 McLary names, Daniel, Neil and John. These are definitely mine as I know 2 brothers Daniel & Neil from the Garvagh area had children come to Australia. The 3 male names crop up continually in the family in subsequent generations. It looks as though I may not have too much luck in going back further or finding out any more about them without a visit to Ireland which hopefully I can do in a few years time. No luck with the McIlhinney/McElhenny though - no names in Desert parish look remotely likely. Shall have to do more homework.
I would appreciate some help in interpreting the valuations:
Neal McLary appears to have a Lessor (Landlord?) called James Church and the area comprises a house, offices and land comprising an area of 7ac 2Roods 11perches with annual rent of 4 Pds. The map ref is 1 in Map 26. Does this sound right? I couldn't seem to print a legible copy of the map attached. Is there some technical wizardry I need to perform? Again, many thanks, Anniebelle.
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Can add a bit to what akanex2 has already posted.
"Moneydig Churchyard - current Presbyterian Church (congregation only began 1835 - Presbyterians previously attended church in Garvagh or at Boveedy in Tamlaght O'Crilly parish)"
People from Aghadowey congregation also joined Moneydig when it was formed.
"Magistrate & Clergyman cert'g correctness of inform: Robt Ogilvy of Ploodbank?, Garvagh and Rev G Smith of Glebe Stilerea ?, Garvagh"
Robert Ogilby lived at Woodbank which is just outside Garvagh
Rev. George Smith was Church of Ireland minister but not sure what 'Glebe Stilerea' should be- perhaps Glebe House? (rectory)
"Householder cert Character: Anty McAlister, Meteor, Garvagh and Robert Moore of Garvagh "
Lots of McAllisters (various spellings) about Garvagh but never heard of anywhere called 'Meteor.' Wonder if this might be Anthony McAllister of Mettican? (not far from Woodbank House) Anthony died 1863 and was the father of James McAlister (c1830-25 Oct.1860 Hong Kong), surgeon H.M. 3rd B.N.I. (perhaps the James McAlister you mentioned)
My first thought is that McIlhinney is a Donegal name but the details you have are certainly Garvagh, Co. Londonderry which isn't near the Donegal border.
"Coolbawn, County Drumgarra, Ireland" wonder if this could be the townland of Cuilbane (also known as Coolbane) outside Garvagh towards Kilrea? It's in Desertoghill Parish and belonged to the Worshipful Company of Ironmongers. In 1863 A. McAlister (possibly Alexander McAlister of Tirkeeran) was in partnership with John Witherow there. Other tenants were John (now Widow) McGuigan, Bernard McNicholl, Widow Rose McNicholl, J. Craig and Samuel Campbell, John Craig, Widow Martha Shannon, Alexander McDonald, Anthony Toghill, Charles Boylan, William Mulholland, John Boylan. If this is the correct place (and I think it could be) Martha's family were either away before 1863 or perhaps she was just working and living there at the time of her marriage.
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Added detail from the Ordinance Survey ("OS") Memoir for Desertoghill Parish (1837) on the Rectory (residence of CoI clergyman)
"Glebe Hill, [the residence of the Rector of Desertoghill] , is situated in Mettican Glebe."
"st" could look like "H" written in a suitably flowery script - not sure about the "erea" part of the placename though.
Yes - printing the maps is a problem. I used to be able to do it by right clicking on the blue border at the top of the map pop-up and select the print option, but they have recently changed the format and this doesn't seem to work now (any tips gratefully received).
James Church was the Landlord of Neil and Daniel McLary's farms. The Church family had owned the freehold to Moyletratoy townland since 1629 and James was the 1st cousin of my gt gt gt grandfather whose marriage was performed by Rev George Smith. You have read all the details correctly - to help understand the areas quoted: 1 hectare = 2.47 acres and a rood is a quarter of an acre (a perch is one fortieth of a rood). The "annual rent" quoted was the taxable value of the property (not necessarily the actual rent, but the tax valuer's estimate of what it should be).
Two points I noted in the OS Memoir which may be of interest:
The weaving trade was (1837) carried on extensively in Moyletratoy townland with 35 of the 37 homes there containing looms and many families were supported entirely by this activity.
On the farm of Francis McAlary in Dullaghy (townland adjoining Moyletratoy) stands a large stone called "the Giant's Stone".
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Wonder if 'Stilerea' could be Kilrea?
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Thank you to each of you for so much information. In looking at the hand written document again I think "Stilerea" is possibly Kilrea or maybe Glebe Stile or Stale near Garvagh rather than Stilera Garvagh. It is interesting to hear about the people who certified the documents and to get some idea of what was going on in the area at the time.
As the McAlary's stated they were Catholic on arrival in Aust and continued to be Catholic through out their lives in Aust I will at some time try to look at the Catholic records for the Parish as mentioned in earlier postings.
Thank you again for your informative responses. Anniebelle.
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Most likely Kilrea near Garvagh.
Now for a bit of bad news. Roman Catholic baptisms, marriages and burials for Kilrea & Desertoghill R.C. Parishes start 1846. Swatragh Parish (just south of Garvagh) has baptisms from 1887. Garvagh (Errigal Parish) has baptisms from 1846 and marriages from 1873.
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Can add a bit to what akanex2 has already posted.
""Coolbawn, County Drumgarra, Ireland" wonder if this could be the townland of Cuilbane (also known as Coolbane) outside Garvagh towards Kilrea? It's in Desertoghill Parish and belonged to the Worshipful Company of Ironmongers. In 1863 A. McAlister (possibly Alexander McAlister of Tirkeeran) was in partnership with John Witherow there. Other tenants were John (now Widow) McGuigan, Bernard McNicholl, Widow Rose McNicholl, J. Craig and Samuel Campbell, John Craig, Widow Martha Shannon, Alexander McDonald, Anthony Toghill, Charles Boylan, William Mulholland, John Boylan. If this is the correct place (and I think it could be) Martha's family were either away before 1863 or perhaps she was just working and living there at the time of her marriage.
I have just noticed something very interesting. Martha McAlary gave her parents names on arrival in AUst in 1844 as Hugh and Anne McIlhinney (sp?). Her death certificate gives her father's name as Hugh McIlhinnie and her mother as Nancy Shannon. I notice that in Cuilbane there is a widow Martha Shannon. I have ignore this discrepancy in the past as maybe lack of accurate information by the informing son on the death certificate. But maybe there is something interesting that needs to be looked. Once again more hunting to be done.
With thanks, Anniebelle.
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Just in case it does connect to your family-
1863 Ironmongers' Note on Tenants- Cuilbane
Widow Martha Shannon (35 acres _ rods 32 perches) annual rent £11 10s. Three sons, two grandchildren, two servants. Asks for lime and bricks to build the byre; also wants to repair the road. Worthy of attention.
1886 Tenants List- Cuilbane
Hugh Shannon, 35 acres 2 rods 32 perches, annual rent £9 10s
Probable death for Martha Shannon-
Martha SHANNON (age 78) death 1876 Coleraine registration district, volume 6 page 367
Probable death for (son?) Hugh Shannon-
Hugh SHANNON (age 60) death Jan./Mar.1902 Coleraine registration district volume 1 page 397
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
1901 census will soon be online and Hugh Shannon should be listed there.
1911 census is already online and Cuilbane seems to be mis-transcribed as Guilbane. There's a William Shannon there (age 80) with a brother James (age 78)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Slaght/Guilbane/591368/
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This looks like a possible family member
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/The_Grove/Dullaghy/592607/
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Good news!
Brockaboy townland, Errigal Parish (Garvagh is split between Errigal and Desertoghill)- Lease dated 1st March 1824 for 21 years and the Life of Prince William Frederick Duke of Gloucester. Hugh McIlheney 7 acres 1 rod 20 perches, 1/2 of No.7 north of the road (measurements in Irish Plantation acres)
Will post more later.
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More good details which may provide clues but make searching for McIlhinneys much more complicated.
Griffith's Valuation for Brockaghboy townland shows a James McIlhenny, jun. (12 acres 0 rods 0 perches) and a James McIlhenny, sen. (12 acres 2 rods 30 perches) as tenants of Lady Garvagh- both have house, off. & land.
In the townland of Moyletra Toy (Desertoghill Parish) are the Neal, Daniel and John McLary mentioned earlier.
Now for the complicated bit:
From PRONI Will Extracts- "Probate of the Will of Laurence Hegarty late of Brockabuoy County Londonderry Farmer who died 27 August 1906 granted at Londonderry to Daniel O'Kane (McIlhinney) and Daniel Hegarty (Andy) Farmers."
What this indicates is that a Daniel O'Kane's nickname was McIlhenney! There were so many families of the same name in the area known as The Glen that nicknames were used.
1911 census in Brockaboy are 2 spinspter sisters- Bridget and Susan:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Slaght/Brockaghboy/591443/
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What a wonderful lot of information to wake up to this morning. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your interest and efforts.
Interestingly the 1911 Census shows Neil living at The Grove. Daniel, Neil's son, Martha & their children were very successful in Aust. They became large landowners & graziers. Daniel and Martha called a property they owned "Grove Lodge" and it is there they were buried in 1889 and 1895. I will spent time following up all the information provided.
I am so glad to see evidence of the existence of McIlhinneys in the Parish. It looks as though Martha's family may be more complicated to work out. I will enjoy trying.
Many thanks, Anniebelle.
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I have a friend living up the Glen who might have heard the surname McElhinney. It's almost 10 pm here in Garvagh so too late to ring her but will see if I can get hold of her tomorrow.
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Thank you. Shall look forward to hearing more. Anniebelle
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Bridget McElhinney, Brockaboy still alive in 1929 (mentioned in connection with Land Purchase Commission- to do with purchase of their property).
Also found more on McElhinneys but will wait to see how it ties in.
PRONI Will Extracts-
"The Will of John Bradley late of Tamneyrankin County Londonderry Farmer who died 5 March 1890 at same place was proved at Londonderry by William Shannon of Coolbane in said County Farmer one of the Executors." (Bradley children with Shannons in 1911 census)
"The Will of Francis O'Connor late of Drumsurn County Londonderry Farmer and Publican who died 30 June 1893 at same place was proved at Londonderry by the Reverend Edward Loughrey of Dungiven P.P. and Hugh Shannon of Coolbaun Farmer both in said County the Executors."
"Probate of the Will of John M'Peak late of Ballydullaghan County Londonderry Farmer who died 1 August 1898 granted at Londonderry to Hugh M'Cahon of Slevna County Antrim and William Shannon of Coolbane Garvagh County Londonderry Farmers."
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I have started to look at all the info so generously provided and continue to find more interesting things including the existence of the Widow Rose McNicholl as a tenant in 1863 in the townland of Cuilbane as mentioned in a previous posting. For the interest of those contributing and for future Rootschatters who may have an interest in this family I note the following:
Daniel McAlary as mentioned previously was the son of Neal/Neil McAlary and Mary McNicol (the Widow Rose maybe some connection). In Aust they had about 8 children including Hugh, David, John, Daniel, Bernard, Matilda Ann.
Daniel had a brother, Neal, who I suspect is the one aged 87yrs in the 1911 census. We believe that Neal married a Mary Keilt or Keilty. We know that Neal and Mary had at least 3 children, Daniel, Mary Anne and Rose. All three of Neal's children came to Aust in the early 1880s.
Two sets of cousins then married in Aust: Daniel & Martha's son, Bernard married Neil & Mary's daughter, Rose; Daniel & Martha's son, John, married Neil and Mary's daughter, Mary Anne.
So it is likely that the widow Rose McNicholl is related to Mary McNicol the mother of the brothers Daniel and Neil.
Any information on Rose would be greatly appreciated if not too much trouble. I will look at the Griffth valuation records to see what I can find.
With thanks, Anniebelle.
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Will have a look tomorrow but unfortunately McNicholl is probably the most common surname in Brockaboy area! It's now sleeting and snowing outside (again) so good chance my friend will also be snowed in and I'll hopefully be able to contact her.
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Just in case it does connect to your family-
1863 Ironmongers' Note on Tenants- Cuilbane
Widow Martha Shannon (35 acres _ rods 32 perches) annual rent £11 10s. Three sons, two grandchildren, two servants. Asks for lime and bricks to build the byre; also wants to repair the road. Worthy of attention.
I note this detail on the Griffths valuation. Is this something that is available on line. I couldn't seem to see it on the ask about ireland site. Are these comments made very often. I would like to look for other comments on the various McAlary, McIlhinney, Shannon, McNicholl names that have emerged.
I hope the snow is not causing too much difficulty. We have rare flooding occuring in parts of Eastern Aust at present ( not affecting me, but my very elderly mother was evacuted for a couple of days) In the West of AUst there are busfires and very high heat . As usual a country of extreme conditions.
Thanks, Anniebelle.
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The 1863 notes are from the Ironmongers Company who were one of the local landlords and covers only their properties. A deputation from London would come over every few years to make inspections, etc. and the 1863 notes, which are wonderfully detailed, still survive. I have the 1863 notes and a 1886 tenants list which just gives name, acreage and rent.
Griffith's Valuation (1859) on the AskAboutIreland site has a link for viewing the printed page and that's all the information on Griffith's.
I also have index from Tithe Applotment Books-
Errigal Parish: Brockaghbuoy- Hugh McElhinny, James McIlhinny
Desertoghill Parish: Coolbane- Hugh Shannon, James Shannon
Moyletra-Toy- Daniel McLary, Neily McLary, Widow McLary
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I have also noticed a Bernard Keelt and a Jame Keelt at Moyletra Toy who are probably related to Mary Keilt/Keelt who married Neal McAlary. So all the names in the family records are appearing in either Moyletra Toy or Cuilbane, Desertoghil or Brockaboy in Errigal Parish which is excellent. I will do some analysis to see if something might come up in the 1911 Census or if there are any Parish records still existing which may be worth following up.
I would like to express my thanks for the wonderful assistance you have offered. It has been my first success in working out something about how Irish records work so has been an education for me.
Thank you,
Anniebelle.
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I have 3 valuations of Brockaghboy. Griffiths 1858-1859 shows lot # 3 James McElheny Jr. and lot 4 James McElheny Sen. Valuation of 1881-1889, lot 3 William Shannon, lot 4 Patrick McIlhenry, overwritten with the name Bridget. Valuation of 1901-1910, lot 3 William Shannon overwritten with the name Daniel O'Kane, lot 4 Bridget McIlhenry.
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Thank you. I will start trying to piece together the various members of the family to see where they fit it. I appreciate your help. Anniebelle
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Have spoken to friend tonight and no McElhinney connection about Brockabuoy in her time- thinks last of the family here must have died out. Thought they were also called O'Kane but unfortunately no more information.
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I cannot say Thank you enough to Aghadowey, Sheila8 and akanex2 for your interest, your efforts and your skills in helping me.
Based on your postings I now feel confident that my family lived in a relatively small area around Garvagh.
At present I have put together the various names and dates to try and work out possible relationships. My next aim is to work out whether there are some birth, deaths & marriages under the civil registrations which might clarify some relationships. As these are quite expensive I want to be certain, before ordering, that there will be useful information to link back to the Griffth Valuation names and Tithe Applotment Books. It is unfortunate that there are few surviving Parish records.
In the 18 months since I have been interested in Family History and going back 5 generations I find that I am 90% Irish, the last arriving in Australia in 1881. I think this means that at some point in the future I will have to visit Ireland for a trip looking at graveyards, parish records and the archives in Dublin and Belfast -already saving my pennies! At this stage the counties I have to visit are Londonderry, Down, Antrim, Monaghan, Cavan, Fermanagh, Kildare, Tipperary and Wexford - quite a journey!
Thank you again. You have helped a lot and I have great direction for the future.
Anniebelle
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Hi Anniebelle,
Your ancestor Neil lived in the Grove with his 2 brothers John and Daniel. John was my great great grandfather. You should get a copy of a book called "The Names McAlary" by Diane Menzies and Bernard McAlary (From Tottenham NSW). It documents the history of the McAlary family in Australia and traces the family tree back to the Grove. It was published in 1987. If I can be of any further help please let me know.
CPMCA
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Thank you for the response.
I have a copy of the book which is quite interesting. I am descended from both Neil and Daniel as a result of cousins marrying in the next generation. Daniel emigrated to Aust in 1844 as did several of Neil's children around 1880. I have a fairly good record of what happened to the family in Aust. . Did your ancestor, John, stay in Ireland or emigrate? Do you have much information on the family in Ireland particularly the generation of Neil, Daniel and John and their parents or earlier?
Anniebelle
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Hello again Cousin,
John stayed in Ireland and most of his decendants are still here, although some ended up in USA and more recently, some have gone to Australia. I grew up in Kilrea close to the Grove. The walls of the old homestead at the Grove were still there up until last year when the site was cleared and a new house built. Many of my family still live in Kilrea. No-one has been able to trace back any further than John, Neil & Daniel as all earlier church records were destroyed in a fire. There is mention of a Frank McAlary living in Dullaghy (near the Grove) in the 1700's but we cannot establish whether he was a relation or not. There are also McAlarys burried in the Church of Ireland graveyard in Kilrea (previously a Catholic Church) dating back to the 1700's but again no link has been established - but I'm still trying!!.
Ciaran
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Very pleased to get your response. It is unfortunate that the early records have been destroyed. It is nice to know that some of the family still live in the same area in Ireland. Did you manage to get a photograph of the old home remains before the site was cleared? If so I would love a copy if not inconvenient to you.
Am I correct in thinking that the Neil McAlary listed in the 1911 census as an 87 yr old living at 9 in Dullaghy (The Grove, Londonderry) is the brother of John and Daniel referred to? He is shown as living alone. Did any of this children stay in Ireland? I have found a death registration for Neil McAlary, aged 93 yrs in 1918 in Regist District, Magherafelt. Do you know if this is him? Do you know when his wife died? or any details on her family? Sorry for all the questions, but would love the answers if you have them.
Apparently she was Mary Keilt/Keelt.
It is great to make contact with a long distant cousin. If I can help with any information in Aust please let me know.
Regards, Anniebelle.
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There are some photos which were taken a few years ago when some of your Brisbane cousins were visiting Ireland. I think my father might have a copy so I'll check and let you know.
You are correct, that Neil was John and Daniels brother. I believe that they were all born in the Grove. I'm not sure about whether any of Neils relations stayed in Ireland but again I'll try to find out. Not sure about the death registration either but it could be (as part of kilrea is in the district of Magherafelt).
There are Kielts still living in Kilrea - I'll see if I can find out anything about Mary.
Where do you live in Australia?
Ciaran
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My Mum was a Mc Alary !! along this same line
One of the Aussie McAlarys died recently who was on the 2 dollar coin (dancing Man) Frank McAlary
see
A couple of articles I thought you might enjoy and find interesting.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/opinion/victory-jig-speaks-of-fates-twists/716985.aspx
Pages 52 & 53 of:
http://www.nswbar.asn.au/docs/resources/publications/bn/bn_winter03.pdf
Enjoy
Mike
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Thank you for the links which I enjoyed reading. I was aware that Frank McA was also a descendant of the same Daniel and Martha McA who arrived in 1844 and was the the 'dancing man'. A great photo which has become somewhat legendary.
Anniebelle.
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Someone has sent me a 33 pages history of these mcalarys in australia .
I can forward if you are interested
Mike
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Mike, I would love to receive the information you hold. Perhaps you could send it via the personal message line. Alternatively l will advise my email address.
With thanks,
Anniebelle
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You can't send attachments with PMs (suspect that 33 pages of information would have to be sent that way) but you can certainly use PM to exchange email addresses (which you aren't allowed to post on the boards).
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The 1863 notes are from the Ironmongers Company who were one of the local landlords and covers only their properties. A deputation from London would come over every few years to make inspections, etc. and the 1863 notes, which are wonderfully detailed, still survive. I have the 1863 notes and a 1886 tenants list which just gives name, acreage and rent.
I am interested in the Ironmongers Records. Could you tell me where you found them so I can look for them. I hope to visit PRONI in the fall and would like to see what I could find for Lisnascreaghog, near Brockaghbuoy. Thanks Sheila Macauley
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Ironmongers' 1863 Notes are in London (Guildhall Library- at least that's where they were 25 years ago) but PRONI have copy on microfilm as far as I know. If you are interested in the Notes send me a PM with the names you want to check from Lisnascreagh.
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Hello,
Have been looking for a copy of the book "The Name's McAlary" and I came across this page in my searchings. Does anyone know if the book is still available, if so, where can I get it?
Brett
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Hi,
I think Drumgarra refers to Drumagarner site of the Catholic parish church in Kilrea.
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Hi,
I was doing some research on my family tree McAlary and found this forum,
Daniel McAlary that married Martha McHilhinney would be my 5th great uncle.
Father Niel McAlary and mother Mary Mc Nicol - who's father was Hugh Mc Nicol from Dysart County Derry, Northern Ireland.
Daniel's brother Neil would be my 4th great grandfather, his Wife was Mary Keilt.
Neil was from Grove, Garvagh, Desertoghil, Londonderry County, Northern Ireland.
Me Born in County Louth Ireland
Sarah Mc Alary (grandmother) Born in Derry but moved to County Louth Ireland around 1971
Patrick Mc Alary (Great Grandfather) Swatragh, Londonderry, Northern Ireland
John Mc Alary ( Great Grandfather x2) Swatragh, Londonderry, Northern Ireland
Bernard Mc Alary (Great Grandfather x3) Grove, Garvagh, County Derry, Northern Ireland
Neil Mc Alary ( Great Grandfather x4) Grove, Garvagh, County Derry, Northern Ireland
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
Just to clerify some of the places in your post-
Dysart = Desertoghill Parish (Garvagh is in Desertoghill & Errigal civil parishes)
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/desertoghill/
Grove*- area outside Garvagh
Swatragh- just south of Garvagh
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/loughinsholin/killelagh/swatragh/
Grove*- in 1911 census the following townlands came under The Grove D.E.D.-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/The_Grove/
D.E.D. = District Electoral Division
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_division_(Ireland)