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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Bo on Monday 04 January 10 22:16 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help please with locating birth record of Hamilton Edgar, possibly Glasgow circa 1889. I know his father is William but don't know his mother's name. Any help greatly appreciated. :)
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Hi Bo
You would have to buy some credits for Scotlands People to be able to view a copy of the birth record - there's an entry as follows:
Hamilton Edgar 1888 St. Rollox, Glasgow City, Lanark ref.644/06 0168
Had an odd credit remaining but you need 5 to view the certificate.
Annette
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I think that Hamilton Edgar's father may be Robert, from 1891:
Robert Edgar 29, Furnace Man Iron Wks b. Ireland
Elizabeth Edgar 24
Robert Edgar 6
James Edgar 5
Hamilton Edgar 3
Address: 1 Westerhill St, St Rollox Glasgow
There is only that entry and then closest is born in 1882 (father also called Hamilton) in all of Scotland.
Monica
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Same family for 1901, again the only obvious household:
Robert Edgar 48, Furniceman b. Ireland
Elizabeth Edgar 37
Robert Edgar 17
James Edgar 16
Hamilton Edgar 14
Mary Edgar 9
Martha Edgar 7
Sarah Edgar 5
Jane Edgar 3
Elizabeth Edgar 1
Address: 157 Petershill Rd, Dennistoun Glasgow
Monica
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Thank you both so much for quick reply. I'm not sure this is my man but I will assess what you have given me and get back to you so - it might take wee while as I'm juggling home, work etc. I really appreciate your help - this is the first time I have started down the Scottish route and didn't know where to start. Speak to you again soon :)
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Hi all again. I think my Hamilton Edgar was actually born about 1881 - sorry, got my dates wrong. He had a brother Archibald who may also have been born in Scotland and sisters Martha and 'Jinty' (Jane/Janet?). Another brother is William born about 1896/7.
I believe the family lived Belfast prior to 1901 but I haven't been able to find any info on the scant 1901 census just yet. I know Hamilton Edgar married in Belfast 1903. I'm trying to find their mother's maiden and christian names and whether she and William Snr were Scottish.
Thank you again in anticipation :)
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Bo, Hamilton's birth was in 1881 (nov. 11th). Father William John, a boiler maker's labourer and mother Elizabeth Miller. His birth was in Springburn, Dennistoun.
Monica :)
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Scottish birth certs from early 1860s include date and place of parents' marriage. William and Elizabeth's marriage shows as July 1881 in Glasgow. If you have a look at the image of the marriage entry on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, the official pay to view site for BMDs and on line images, the marriage cert. will include full details on William and Elizabeth's parents, including mothers' maiden names which will the let you work back to their families.
If you remember in the earlier post on possible census entries, there was another Hamilton Edgar showing as born in 1882 in Dennistoun. I am wondering whether this household and the head, Hamilton Edgar, might be related to your William Edgar (perhaps father & son/ brothers?) Details very similar. This is their household entry for 1891:
Hamilton Edgar 49, labourer (boilermakers) b. Ireland
Agnes Edgar 38, b. Coatbridge, Lanark
Andrew Edgar 25 b. Ireland
James Edgar 21 b. Ireland
Bruce Edgar 11 b. ireland
Hamilton Edgar 9 b. Springburn, Lanark
Agnes Edgar 5 b. Springburn, Lanark
Helen Edgar 3 b. Springburn, Lanark
Charles Edgar 3 Weeks b. Glasgow
James Adams 47, boarder b. Glasgow
Address: 3 Reid St, Dennistoun Glasgow
Monica
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My money is on father and son ;) 1881 census entry for Hamilton Edgar and wife Agnes:
Hamilton Edgar 45, Boilermakers Labourer b. Ireland
Agnes Edgar 28 b. Coatbridge, Lanarkshire
William Edgar 22, general labourer b. Ireland
Andrew Edgar 14 b. Ireland
Jane Edgar 16 b. Ireland
James Edgar 10 b. Ireland
Hannah Edgar 8 b. Ireland
Bruce Edgar 2 b. Springburn
Address: 1 Union Pl. Petershill Rd., Dennistoun Glasgow
A further submitted entry on IGI gives Hamilton Snr's death as 22 FEB 1922 Springburn, Lanark and first wife's name as Martha McTeer, marriage c. 1858
Perhaps with the age of Agnes, wife, above, unlikely she was William's mother and father Hamilton may have remarried?
There is a submitted entry on IGI at www.familysearch.org for Hamilton Snr.'s marriage I think:
Hamilton Edgar:
Parents: William Edgar and Isabella Mirrow
Marriage: Agnes Roy on 22 MAY 1877 in Hillhouse, Springburn, Lanark
Again, the marriage entry on Scotlands People, will let you confirm details.
There's more submitted entries on IGI for the children of Hamilton and Martha back in Co. Down Ireland.
Bo, would be worth you verifying some of the info here and then moving on from there :)
Monica
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Have you seen these old posts?:
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.edgar/441/mb.ashx
Monica
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Monica, thank you so much. You have given me plenty to think about and I'm gonna have fun going through all this :D It is brilliant to think I may have a positive lead now! I'd lost my way a bit but this has given me something to think about and I hadn't seen the other posts so thank you for that too. :) :)
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Hello all, I haven't been on for a while but I'm at a dead end with the Edgar family. I can't seem to find them on the 1901 Irish census recently released to the public which makes me think they are probably in scotland (?) at that time. I'm going on an old memory that there were Scottish links and the fact they are not on the 1901 census seems to reiterate the fact ??? ???
The details I have are -
William Edgar (Snr), wife's name unkown but known children are -
Hamilton Edgar
Archibald Edgar
William Edgar
Martha Edgar
Jane(t) Edgar known as JInty.
The men seem to show up on the 1911 census but Wiliam Snr is a widower then. I would greatly appreciate any more help :)
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1901 census
Hamilton Edgar 60
Agnes Edgar 45
Hamilton Edgar 18
Agnes Edgar 15
Helen Edgar 15
Charles Edgar 10
Address: 37 Foundry Pl, St Rollox Glasgow
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Sancti
thank you for the response - these people might be connected in some way to my Edgars but I just can't make the connection at the moment ??? thankyou anyway
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Hi Bo
From the details you gave:
William Edgar (Snr), wife's name unkown but known children are -
Hamilton Edgar
Archibald Edgar
William Edgar
Martha Edgar
Jane(t) Edgar known as JInty
Is this from the 1911 Irish census. Can you post the details from it - ages etc. Do they all show as born in Scotland?
Monica
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Hi Monica
No, these details are not from 1911 census but from information gleaned from (now diminished) family. However, the 1911 census shows that (whom I believe to be Hamilton Edgar) was born in Glasgow. I'm also working on the fact that I was told as a child that Granda Edgar 'was Scottish'. I find it strange that I cannot find the whole family on the 1901 Irish census and only parts of it on the 1911 census. And, because I do not know the mother's name I'm at a bit of a loss how to proceed. :(
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To be honest Bo, I've got confused the few Hamilton Edgars we have found over the searches :P You get the feeling that the ones we have found to date in Lanarkshire are probably connected as extended family.
Your grandfather who shows as born in Glasgow in the 1911 census in Ireland, can you post his details from that entry you have found - can't easily see him myself :-\
Who else have you found on this census from the potential siblings for your grandfather Hamilton - ages and place of birth?
Monica
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Rubbish at finding Hamilton in the 1911 Irish census....but think I have found the family in the 1901 census in Ireland :) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000716617/
William and wife Lizzie born in Glasgow but all five children including Hamilton born in Belfast by the look of it.
Monica
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Hamilton shows as 19 yrs old in the 1901 census, so born c. 1882 you would think.
There is only one marriage showing between a William Edgar and an Elizabeth in Scotland between 1878-84, shows in Glasgow from general searches (marriage shows in 1881 if you narrow down the search fields).
Monica
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See what I mean about confused!
See my replies #6 onwards. That is the marriage between a William and Elizabeth (Miller) in 1881. Not sure how accurate the 1901 census birth places were. From what we already had, William John was born in Ireland and Hamilton son in Glasgow late 1881.
Monica
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Monica thank you so much for the quick response - I am shocked that you have sourced the census details :o :o I have hunted this family high and low !! I haven't had time to work out the address yet but I'm sure it is the right family. I also believe the Scottish Edgars are extended family too - Hamilton Edgar is quite an 'unusual' name.
Also, the person born in Scotland isn't my grandfather (he's William) but his brother. I need to get my details gathered and if you don't mind I will pm them to you tomorrow. I think there's a bit of a story and it's too convuluted to put online just now. Bear with me please and I will get back to you asap. You have been a great help and I really appreciate it :)
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Monica, before I go for the night I just want to say that I cannot access the census record you sent me. I can access your link, but if I do the search myself nothing comes up for this family. confused again ???
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You might want to send in a correction on the transcription for the family's 1901 census entry!
You can use ther wildcard '*' (like SP) to pick up on spelling variations. In this case, I searched the 1901 for a Ham* Edg* - he is transcribed as Hamellen Edger ::)
Monica
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Hi Monica
I'm just checking that you got my pm yesterday with details attached as promised. After all your assistance I don't want to appear ungrateful. If you haven't please let me know and I will forward it again.
I've been slowly working my way through all the information - my head's pickled but it all seems to make sense now ???
Sancti I can also see now how the 1901 census details fit so thankyou again. I will keep in touch :)
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Hi Bo
Got one PM but thought more to follow :)
Monica
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I made a posting sometime back under another heading and the links given to me then have throw up these posting so I do hope it does not upset things for folks. The one thing we all seem to have in common is total confusion. The information I have is all over the place at the moment as varying postings throw up potential connections but either with additional different names or locations.The fact that Edgar is a common name in Co Down was something I was not aware of until now.
My Great Grandmother (Margaret Edgar married Michael King in 1886 at Bessbrook Presbyterian church. Her age is given as 23 which indicates she was born circa1863.
the certificate also shows her father was Hamilton Edgar and the marriage was witnessed by James and Minnie Edgar. Now I think we have found Minnie a sister born circa 1873 and by all accounts born in around Bessbrook. John Edgar we cannot find.
My Hamilton Edgar was born circa 1839 and his Father was Hugh Edgar and Mother Margaret (Craig) they were living in Dundee so I assume he was born there- he died there in 1899. I do not have any record of William being a first name. I also have him married to an Ann Jane but she seems to have been married before and goes by either Geddes or Rowan. Not sure which is maiden name and which is previous married name. ( Malloy at the moment is not confirmed).
Another wife was Joan Donaldson (nee Campbell). married in 1895. Does this help anyone and can any further light be throw on the subject?
Regards
MK
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Hi there MK
Trying to get my head round all your new names. The name Hamilton Edgar certainly seems popular!
John Edgar we cannot find.
Maybe this entry here (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5KP-D99
Monica :)
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I also have him married to an Ann Jane but she seems to have been married before and goes by either Geddes or Rowan. Not sure which is maiden name and which is previous married name. ( Malloy at the moment is not confirmed).
Another wife was Joan Donaldson (nee Campbell). married in 1895. Does this help anyone and can any further light be throw on the subject?
Her maiden name looks to be Rowan (and variants). Marriage details here for them https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCD-ZJR
Monica
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I have Hamilton Edgar married to Anne Jane Rowan in 23/10/1857. Her parents were James Rowan and her mother was Ann Jane Geddes.
I think the confusion is that both her mother and her have exactly the same first two names
MK