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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: bruce001 on Thursday 07 January 10 02:09 GMT (UK)
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Hi Folks, just registered, and am looking for further info on the family of Alexander Allan who immigrated to New Zealand in 1880. He was born in Nigg in 1848, and was married to Helen Herdman in Plumstead Endland in 1880. He and Helen left for New Zealand on the "Westland" in 1880, arriving in New Zealand in early 1881. They settled in Featherston where Alexander was a railway Engineer.
I have all the family tree from then, and am looking for some help finding the Scottish end.
Thank you
Bruce
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Hi Bruce
Welcome to Roots Chat
Can you tell us who Alexander's parents were please?
I have possible family with parents Robert and Johanna in Nigg. Could this be your family?
Marriages Sep 1879
Allan Alexander Woolwich 1d 1484
HERDMAN Helen Woolwich 1d 1484
Regards
Mariac
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Gravestone in Nigg Churchyard
In memory of Robert Allan who died at Cullisse on 29th Jan 1880 aged 71 years. Also his sons John Swanson who died on 17th Sep 1863 age 11 years, Duncan who died on 9th May 1865 aged 8 years. Gregor who died at Geelong Australia on 9th May 1866 aged 26 years also of his beloved wife Johanna MacGregor who died 15th Aug 1891 aged 75 years.
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Mariac,
Wow, that is unbelieveable. It sounds very much like them. The info I have is Robert Allan, Blacksmith of Rosshire, married Johanna McGregor. The only children of theirs I am aware of is Alexander.
I have Alexander's line of the family available for you on a word file, and will email it to you if you like. My address is (*)
I am enormously grateful to you.
Bruce
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Ghostwhisperer,
Thank you also for "Gravestone in Nigg Churchyard
In memory of Robert Allan who died at Cullisse on 29th Jan 1880 aged 71 years. Also his sons John Swanson who died on 17th Sep 1863 age 11 years, Duncan who died on 9th May 1865 aged 8 years. Gregor who died at Geelong Australia on 9th May 1866 aged 26 years also of his beloved wife Johanna MacGregor who died 15th Aug 1891 aged 75 years. "
That very much sounds like my ancestors. Alexander (to my knowledge) arrived in New Zealand in 1880. He died on 24th Sept 1928, and was burried at Kelvin Grove Cemetry, Palmerston North, Area B, Block 010, plot 032. He was 80.
Helen died at 85 Marine Parade, Napier on 8th Aug, 1950 aged 96. Napier is my home town, but I live in Sydney.
My Father and Step mother still live in Napier.
I have a full family tree that I am happy to send you. my email is (*).
I am enormously grateful to you also.
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Hi Bruce,
Your family of Allans is quite a large family..... and thanks also to Ghostwhisperer you have a lot of info from the Nigg Churchyard.
1861 Census Cullisse Nigg
Robert Allan 51 b1809 Forres, Morayshire Blacksmith
Johanna Allan 44 1817 Lairg, Sutherlandshire
Gregor Allan 21 1840 b Nigg app Blacksmith
Robert Allan 19 1842 b Nigg Draper's Assistant
Ann Allan 17 1844 b Nigg
Jessie Allan 15 1846 b Nigg
Alexander Allan 13 1848 b Nigg
James Allan 11 1850 b Nigg
John S Allan 9 1850 b Nigg
William Allan 6 1855 b Nigg
Duncan Allan 4 1857 b Nigg
Christina Allan 5 Mo 1860 b Nigg
1871 census Cullis Nigg
Robert Allan 62 Aldairn, Morayshire Blacksmith
Johan Allan 54 Lairg, Sutherlandshire
Alexander Allan 23 b Nigg Blacksmith
James Allan 20 Nigg app. Blacksmith
Christina Allan 10 Nigg
James McKenzie 18 Creich, Sutherlandshire app.Blacksmith
Jane McKenzie 17 Cromarty, Cromartysh Servant
1851 Census Culliss Nigg
Robert Allan 42 Aldearn, Morayshire Blacksmith employ 2men
Johana Allan 34 Lairig, Sutherlandshire
Robert Allan 83 Dyke, Morayshire Ret.Blacksmith Father
Gregor Allan 11 b Nigg
Robert Allan 9 b Nigg
Ann Allan 7 b Nigg
Janet Allan 5 b Nigg
Alexander Allan 3 b Nigg
James Allan 3 Mo b Nigg
Robert McKay 21 Kincardine, Ross app smith
Janet Ross 17 Nigg Servant
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Mariac,
Thank you again for your work on this.
My Stepmother, Jane, is going to get on this service later and will contribute.
I am trying to work out Alexander and Helen the moved to NZ, and also why then. I understand they were Govt funded, but I wonder if something in the Nigg or regional situation made them leave.
I have tried to attach the family tree I have, but the file is too large. I will need an email address to get it to you?
I would love to know how you connect back into our/my family.
regards
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From IGI family search there is an extracted marriage of
Robert Allan and Johanna MacGregor 15 March 1839 Nigg
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
go to the advanced search
From 1851 census you will find Roberts father living with the family. His name is also Robert.
From Scotlandspeople there is a death of Robert Allan in Nigg in 1859. If you purchase this certificate it will also give you the name of Robert(Snr.) wife
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Regards
Mariac
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Hi Bruce
I do not have any connection to your family sorry.
Just trying to help out.
Regards
Mariac
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Thank you Mariac, I appreciate the help you have given.
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I also have no connection to the family, just an interest in old Gravestones.
A possible for Robert Sen. also in Nigg Churchyard
1893. Erected by James Allan in memory of his Grandfather and Grandmother Robert Allan and Ann Mann.
Allan 1 http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/Ghostwhisperer_01/Nigg47.jpg
Allan 2
http://i392.photobucket.com/albums/pp8/Ghostwhisperer_01/Nigg95.jpg
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Great Ghostwhisperer :)
So it is possible that Robert Snr. married Ann Mann
This is also an extracted christening for Johanna
Johanna McGregor 2 Jun 1816 Lairg Prents Gregor & Janet McGregor
and the marriage
Gregor McGregor m Janet McGregor 30 Sep 1813 Lairg
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JaneQ has joined Rootschat ;D
(see reply#6 above)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=429193.msg2939246
I've directed her back to this topic, since there's a lot of info here.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hello Bruce.
Have just come across your enquiry about Alexander Allan. He was the brother of my Grandfather William. This makes us second cousins! William migrated to Wellington - there was very little to keep young people in the Scottish Highlands at this time. I believe I can trace back the Allan line to a John Allan who married Elizabeth Murdoch at Barony on 24 October 1686 - his father was also John. There are some interesting descendants from this couple. I can go into more detail if you are interested. Not sure how much further you have got with your own family researches.
Regards,
Jonathan
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While I am not related to this Allan Family, or don't think I am (looking for Allan family, Stirling, Bridge of Allan area).
I have the following information that might interest members of this family
Extract from the New Zealand Cyclopedia.
"Mr. ALEXANDER ALLAN. Driver in charge at Cross Creek, was born in Nigg, Rosshire, Scotland, in 1848.
Leaving school at 14 years of age, Mr. Allan went to learn engineering with Messrs. Faulkner Bros. of Inverness, and after serving two years he returned to his native town, where for five years he was engaged in the engineering business on his own account. After a short time in North America, Mr, Allan went to London, where he worked for a year with Messrs. Currie Bros., the well known steamship owners, and for two years was millwright in Woolwich Arsenal.
Landing in Wellington on 1st of January 1880, he got employment in the Phoenix Foundry, and a year later received an appointment in the New Zealand Government railway Department as a fitter in charge, and was subsequently promoted to the position he now holds. Mr. allan is well qualified for the responsible office he fill.
Sober, cautious, and capable he exercises a vigilant supervision over all entrusted to his care.
He is married, and has 5 children."
The reason I have this information is that I also lived in Cross Creek.
For information on Cross Creek or Rimutaka incline just google.