RootsChat.Com
England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: g eli on Friday 08 January 10 21:59 GMT (UK)
-
I am trying to find out if Richard Sully had a second marriage to Mary?
I think he probably married Elisabeth Hoyles at St Mary's Nottingham 21 Dec 1784, a Richard and Elizabeth Sully had four children Thomas, Richard, Elizabeth and Ann and these are definitely the children of the Richard I am interested in. However in his will dated June 11 1817 he refers to his wife as Mary and leaves her 20 pounds.
I can find no death for Elisabeth,but there is a marriage at St Mary's for Richard Sully to Mary Dodsley 14 July 1813, would this say whether he was a widower.
Liz
-
Hi Liz
It doesn't say if he was a widower on the entry
Richard Sulley otp & Mary Dodsley otp by Licence
14 July 1813 St Marys
Witnesses were Thos Culler? R Rothwell & Henry Dodsley
Carol
-
Thanks Carol,no further forward then.I think these little setbacks are sent to try our patience.
Liz
-
RE: Richard Sully/Sulley will leaving 20 pounds to Wife Mary. I would dearly like to know if there was any mention of any children. I am trying to trace my 3x G Grandfather Richard Sulley. Perhaps he was married 3 times. First Elizabeth, then to my 3x G Grandmother Anna Sutton, then Mary. Looking at dates and children I can make a good case but I really need more.
Thank you,
Ken
-
marriage Licence details:
Surname Sulley, Richard, fl 1813 (victualler of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Role groom
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham (St Mary)
Age 21
Marital status widower
Literacy mark
Occupation victualler
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 9.7.1813
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI21641
Surname Dodsley, Mary, Mrs, fl 1813 (widow of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Married Name Sulley, Mary, Mrs, fl 1813 (widow; Mrs Mary Dodsley of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Widow Name Dodsley, Mary, Mrs, fl 1813 (widow of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Role bride
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham (St Mary)
Age 21
Marital status widow
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 9.7.1813
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI21642
Surname Cullen, Thomas, fl 1813 (joiner of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Role bondsman
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham (St Mary)
Literacy signed
Occupation joiner
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 9.7.1813
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI21640
-
Thank you nottsgirl. I have been trying for ages to find if it was my Richard who married Mary Doddesley. It is not absolute proof, but he was a widower, his wife Elizabeth died in March 1813,and he was a victualler.
Liz
-
Hi Liz,
That's OK glad to be of help. Also found a marriage which may be or may not be Mary marrying again aft Richard had died:
Surname Sulley, Mary, Mrs, fl 1820 (widow of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Married Name Moore, Mary, Mrs, fl 1820 (widow; Mrs Mary Sulley of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Widow Name Sulley, Mary, Mrs, fl 1820 (widow of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Role bride
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham
Age 21
Marital status widow
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 13.11.1820
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI26613
Surname Moore, John, fl 1820 (of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Role groom
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham
Age 21
Marital status widower
Literacy signed
Occupation lace man
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 13.11.1820
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI26612
Surname Moore, Thomas, fl 1820 (lace man of New Sneinton, Nottinghamshire)
Role bondsman
Address England & Nottinghamshire & Nottingham & Sneinton
Literacy signed
Occupation lace man
Place Of Event Nottingham (St Mary)
Date Of Event 13.11.1820
Type Of Entity Archdeaconry
Code NAI26611
Remember although the ages are down as 21 yrs it means over 21 so could be any age.
NG
Edit re-did this as it went wrong this morning
-
Hi Ken (Sulley Descendant)
Richard/Ann/a's Childrens Baptism/Births are on FreeREG;
Sarah 1796
Richard 1799
Louisa 1803
Francis 1804
James 1807
Samuel 1808
Edward 1815, Birth 15 Sept 1810, abode Sneinton Notts
So it appears if they Baptised Edward 1815 they were both still alive then and married.
Trish :)
-
Also found this one: son of above Richard;
Title marriage bond and licence, Nottingham (St Mary), 30.11.1807
Date Of Creation 30.11.1807
Extent 2 ff
Level Item/file
Click the links below to view related name indexes
Persons
Code PersonName Dates of Existence
NAI157518 Sulley, Richard, fl 1807 (of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire; father of groom; not present)
NAI157519 Bass, Bryan, fl 1807 (framework knitter of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
NAI157520 Sibert, Richard, fl 1807 (conveyencer of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
NAI157521 Bass, Bryan, fl 1807 (framework knitter of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
NAI157522 Sulley, Thomas, fl 1807 (framework knitter of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
NAI157523 Bass, Mary, fl 1807 (of Nottingham (St Mary), Nottinghamshire)
Here's a link to the site where I found all the above
http://mss-cat.nottingham.ac.uk/CalmView/Record.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&id=ANMB%2f203%2f250%2f1-2&pos=1
NG
-
Thank you nottsgirl for the additional information about Mary.I can never leave anyone in my tree unaccounted for ( not that I am always successful) I had found Mary's previous marriage and her children but no sign of Mary. This is another avenue to explore.
Liz
-
nottsgirl, also thank you for the link to Nottingham University, a useful site if your ancestors were from Nottinghamshire.
Liz
-
Thank you all for your help especially for taking the time to give me the information of Richard and Anna’s children.
Trying to understand the facts of Richard Sulley and Anna Sutton make this 83 year old mans head spin. BUT
#1 Is this Richard Sulley the husband of Elizabeth Hoyles and Anna Sutton and Mary Dodsley all the same person?
#2 It seems the last child of Richard and Elizabeth was born 1794 then the first child of Richard and Anna was born 1796 and the last Edward was born 1810. Then Richard and Mary were married 1813.
#3 I know Edward Sulley was born 15 Sept 1810 but the baptism was recorded in 1815. I do not know for sure what this means? Where was the mother Anne?
#4 I have some notes made by a Great Aunt and distant cousin discussing their Sulley family in 1912. There are notes about Richard and Anna’s children but nothing of his parents. There is mention of a James Darrell Sully in their notes many years ago going to France researching the French Sullys. Circa 1572.
Ken
PS: If anyone is interested I have an original 8x10 picture of each, Richard Sulley Jr b. 1799 and wife Elizabeth Denman b. 1806 taken 1860. On back lists Richard as born 31 May 1799 and on the back of Elizabeth says age 54 years. Have some of pictures their children also. Would be happy to send a copy to anyone.
-
To Sulley descendant.
I can answer one of your questions. The Richard Sulley who married Elizabeth Hoyles also married Mary Doddsley nee Cullen. He married Mary about 6 months after the death of Elizabeth in 1813.I am pretty sure this is a different Richard than the one who married Ann. I have read some of his will because it was part of a court case, he mentioned 4 children Thomas Ann Elizabeth and Richard and his wife Mary,he died July 1819.
I have my Richard's parents as Thomas and Mary Mellors/milner also but I could be wrong on this.I have sent for his will which may be helpful.
Liz
-
Having a copy of his will sounds exciting. Please let me know the details of it all.
Ken
-
I received a copy of the will.It told me very little more, except he left some money to the four children of Mary from her previous marriage.The will covers his estate and how he wants it divided between his children from his marriage to Elizabeth, these being Thomas, Ann, Elizabeth and Richard.
Liz
-
Thank you so very much for your letting me know the contents of the will.
Where did the Richard & Anna disappear, and where were they from? Their children were educated and some are well known. Their son (my ancestor) James Francis Sulley came to America in 1838. I have more on him and family than most anyone of that period.
Thank you,
Ken