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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: hallmark on Tuesday 12 January 10 15:30 GMT (UK)
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So far I have these surnames connected to my tree; Swan, Swann, Hall, Browne, Dudgeon, Birch/Burch, Pollock. Lee, McConkey, Wright, James, Black, Clarke, Nesbitt, Baird, Barnes, Graham, Adams, Bothwell, Boyd, Brady, Breadon, Breakey, Burns, Busby, Byrne, Caldwell, Campbell, Carlisle, Carr, Carroll, Carruth, Crone, Davidson, Dickson, Dougan, Dunn, Erskine, Farrell, Flack, Freeman, Fullerton, Gallagher, Gibson, Gillespie, Glover, Hackett, Hannan, Hazelton, Henderson, Holdcroft, Holder, Howe, Hunt, Hunter, Irwin, James, Johnston, Kane, Kelso, Kilpatrick, Lang, Leary, Longmoore, Love, Lovett, Lyons, Mallagh, Mannelock, Markey, Marshall, Martin, Matson, Maxwell, McBride, McCullagh, McCarthy, McCondell, McCormick, McCoy, McCrudden, McCullagh, McCusker, McKee, McKenna, McLoughlin, McMurrin, McMorran, McNiece, McQuillan, Mitchell, Mullarchey, Pollock, Reid, Reed, Robinson, Scott, Seymour, Sharp, Scott, Smith, Stewart, Symington, Thompson, Traynor, Walker, Willis, Wilson, Wood, Woods, Young. Probably there are others!
Many are peripheral to my tree but it seems so many families connect to each other somehow!
I started in Errigal Trough and after researching so many registers I have worked my way right across the county to Newbliss, Ballybay with a few escapees into Co Cavan. and also emigrants in many places.
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I have a Peter McCormick born around 1795 give or take a couple of years, in Monaghan, not sure where. No further information on the Irish side. Any information on McCormicks would be welcomed.
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I'd need more information than that...religion etc, McCormick/McCormack is quite a common name.
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All I have on him is that according to ages given on censuses, which vary, he must have been born some time between 1792 and 1795. Peter McCormick born Monaghan, not sure whether city or county as it doesn't say. On one census he is listed as Patrick. Not sure exactly when he arrived in Ayrshire, but he was definitely there by 1821. Married in Scotland 1822, wife born Ayrshire. Peter's father possibly Peter as well or Daniel, mother possibly Mary. Death cert. gives father as Peter, no mother, but his eldest son/daughter were Daniel and Mary. He may also have had a brother named Daniel as a Daniel McCormick stood sponsor for baptism of the eldest child. There was also another Peter McCormick living nearby, a few years older, who also gives birthplace as Monaghan - may have been a cousin. The parents of this other Peter are given as Ronald McCormick and Ann McAllister. His wife was Elizabeth (Bridget) Morrison, born Ireland, but they married in Scotland. Both Peters' families were RC and all their children appear in the baptism records for St Margarets RC Church, Ayr.
I have the families well documented once they are in Scotland but can find nothing in Irish records. Any information would be most gratefully received.
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I have a lot of Reid's in my family, from my mother's side, all coming from Scotland.
The further back i go, most of them have come over from Londonderry in Ireland. I''ve managed to go back as far as 1805 from Ireland.
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All I have on him is that according to ages given on censuses, which vary, he must have been born some time between 1792 and 1795. Peter McCormick born Monaghan, not sure whether city or county as it doesn't say. On one census he is listed as Patrick. Not sure exactly when he arrived in Ayrshire, but he was definitely there by 1821. Married in Scotland 1822, wife born Ayrshire. Peter's father possibly Peter as well or Daniel, mother possibly Mary. Death cert. gives father as Peter, no mother, but his eldest son/daughter were Daniel and Mary. He may also have had a brother named Daniel as a Daniel McCormick stood sponsor for baptism of the eldest child. There was also another Peter McCormick living nearby, a few years older, who also gives birthplace as Monaghan - may have been a cousin. The parents of this other Peter are given as Ronald McCormick and Ann McAllister. His wife was Elizabeth (Bridget) Morrison, born Ireland, but they married in Scotland. Both Peters' families were RC and all their children appear in the baptism records for St Margarets RC Church, Ayr.
I have the families well documented once they are in Scotland but can find nothing in Irish records. Any information would be most gratefully received.
RC records only started in 1860's so it will be very hard to find out much more. Without definite names almost impossible. Death/burial records might get some detail but you would really need definite details as all you would get are deaths of those with the same names that may or may not be yours. If you knew where they lived you could check for deeds/leases etc.
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Ah well, back to the brick wall! Many thanks for your input.
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Sorry I can't be more help!
Good hunting....
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Hi Dave
I think that I might have a John Davidson from Monaghan married to a Catherine Mullarchey/ Mullarkey in my husbands family tree but not sure from where exactly in Monaghan. Also they were RC as far as I know but not sure if they started out this religion. One of their sons was born some time in the 1870s and the family names are Charles , William, Anna and some more that I'm not too sure about.
gerardinep
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Have you looked for them in 1901 or 1911 Census of Ireland?
Possibly http://www.rootschat.com/links/0939/
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Yes Dave,
My Davidson (William) had moved to England in 1901 and was back in Belfast in 1911 but I was trying to go back to a previous generation and find out where they lived in Monaghan. I have a marriage cert for William but it just gives a Dublin address where he had board and lodgings while he worked there. Thanks for reply
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Well Drumbier looks like it's the family home.
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Hi Dave
Not sure if my post was sent, thanks a lot. It looks like they are in the 1901 but not the 1911. I would probably need to travel to Drumbear ? in monaghan to get church records etc. I made the assumption that Davidson would originally have come from Scotland and it would be interesting to see if I can go back a bit further if I can get earlier records. Very new to this but its so interesting
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Apologies...Drumbear it is!
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I had started out with the Bradford name (Ematris parish) and am now interested in a Robinson connection: John Robinson, of Doon, Aghadrumsee in Fermanagh, son of Thomas Robinson, farmer, married Mary Bradford at Dartrey on 7 July 1857. Have you researched this Robinson family? In particular, what happened to John and Mary?
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I've very few Fermanagh folk and haven't researched in Fermanagh as such as they were on census and easy to find.
http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/NIR/FERMANAGH-GOLD.html would be a good mailing list to join! or FERMANAGH-GOLD website.
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Thank you - that's given me a new set of leads!
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If you take them marrying age 21 you get an idea of their birth year, then check 1901 census for them..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0afw/ for example. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ Select 1901 put in Surname, County, then age 65 will you get them +/- 5 yrs,
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Thanks again. Can you assume if the marriage register entry says "of age" it means they were 21 years of age or over?
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Yes 21 was full age, under 21 normally referred to as a "Minor" sometimes the age is given.
As usual, on census you have to be flexible with age given.
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Hi,
I have noticed that you have come across the surname McCondell in your tree searches.
Hope you dont mind me asking, but I have just discovered that my g'grandmothers maiden name was McCondell, Sarah Jane. From what I have found up to now, it is an unusual surname.
She was born in Liverpool in 1863, and married my g'grandfather in 1884 in Salford, (now part of Greater Manchester.)
I am just wondering if you have come across the McCondell's in Liverpool in your searches. I am presuming it is an Irish name, my g'grandfather was Irish, born in 1851, don't know where abouts though.
Thanks, Tom.
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Tom, I don't mind you asking at all, that's how people make progress.
I haven't researched McCondell, it is a name connected to my tree and in fact is a bit of a mystery!
I have the 1875 marriage cert for Mary Jane McAdam, Full age, Spinster, to one of my g g/uncles in Co. Meath! Witnesses were the church wardens.
What has this to do with McCondells would be what you would ask, BUT it clearly states Father's Name; John McCondell.
Some of their children were born in Northumberland... That is all I have.
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Hello Dave,
I noticed in your list of names that you have McCusker in it. My G G Grandparents were Daniel McCusker and Martha Jane Byrne and I am descended from their eldest daughter Catherine b 1870. They appeared to have lived in the Banbridge area of County Down and had at least 10 children.
Are you connected to this family or have any other information on them or advice for me to further my research on them?
Regards,
Catherine
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I only have an Elizabeth McCusker who married a John (*), with their daughter (*) marrying into my family in 1967.
The Sharpes live in Co.Monaghan.
(*) Moderator's Comment: recent details removed in accordance with Rootschat policy
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Thank you.
There appears to be about a hundred years difference between the us!
Regards,
Catherine
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Not a problem, that's what my list is there for. I'm not sure where Elizabeth was from originally.
Good hunting!
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I have a Francis Gibson married to a Mary Ellen Wright her father a William Wright a farmer I believe its possible the Wrights came from Monaghan/Clones area
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Dave
sometime ago you were very helpful in my research of my Mc Coy ancesters of Monaghan
you asked if my great grandad William had emigrated to england alone which I believed he had.However I have found that Robert was living with William in Newcastle England in 1871 aged 18 years [ he died in 1873 and is buried in Killygavna ] .I hope this info may be of some use to you .
I was unable to trace Gt Gt Gd Robert past 1838 but still appreciat all the haelp ypou gave me
Regards Bryan Mc Coy [ Ellmay ]
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Hi Bryan
Good to know you've made a little progress, I'll note the new bit of info just in case.
Have you looked at 1901 Irish census? A couple of them Born in England are in Monaghan... http://www.rootschat.com/links/0brt/
1911 only one http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bru/ born in Durham.
These are only for ones in Co.Monaghan, you might get a lead from them.
Good fishing!
Dave
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Hi Dave
I see you have McBride listed there. Don't suppose these two fit do they?
I have a Henry McBride born in Ballybay about 1831 (approx give or take a couple of years). Father was James McBride - occupation shoemaker. Don't know any more about James. I think they were protestants.
Milly ;D
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Hi Dave
I see you have McBride listed there. Don't suppose these two fit do they?
I have a Henry McBride born in Ballybay about 1831 (approx give or take a couple of years). Father was James McBride - occupation shoemaker. Don't know any more about James. I think they were protestants.
Milly ;D
There are McBrides in Ballybay 2nd Presbyterian. They could even be a different family. Baptisms start 1833, Marriages 1845 and are in PRONI. Might be a possible starting point for you.
There are a few McBrides marrying into the various families on my tree but I haven't worked on McBrides to see how/if they are related to each other but don't think they are from Ballybay area. All I can do is keep you in mind if I come across anything.
Have you checked PRONI website for Wills?
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Hi Dave
I see you have McBride listed there. Don't suppose these two fit do they?
I have a Henry McBride born in Ballybay about 1831 (approx give or take a couple of years). Father was James McBride - occupation shoemaker. Don't know any more about James. I think they were protestants.
Milly ;D
There are McBrides in Ballybay 2nd Presbyterian. They could even be a different family. Baptisms start 1833, Marriages 1845 and are in PRONI. Might be a possible starting point for you.
There are a few McBrides marrying into the various families on my tree but I haven't worked on McBrides to see how/if they are related to each other but don't think they are from Ballybay area. All I can do is keep you in mind if I come across anything.
Have you checked PRONI website for Wills?
Hello
I have seen references for quite a few Mcbrides in Monaghan and Ballybay in particular but have not found my James the shoemaker anywhere yet.
I think I may have looked through some microfilm for Presbyterian (or non-conformist or something like that) at the LDS centre but couldn't find anything. I think 1833 is a bit late for Henry's birth anyway. And I know he married in England so he came over qhen he was quite young.
I had a quick look at wills at the Proni site but nothing stands out for James as yet. I am not very familiar with Irish sources so have not really got too far with my McBrides.
Just thought I would ask if there was a link - you never know.
Milly ;D
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No, there's no harm in asking, as you say you just never know!
One thing to consider is that 1833 could be when he was baptised, church kept baptism records so he COULD have got the date from that... just a thought.
I've to do research for someone in that area and in Cavan but won't be for a few weeks all I can do is keep an eye open for him. I haven't worked the McBride surname to see how/if they are related to each other so I can note any I come across, it's a very peripheral name on my tree and I haven't even looked on LDS for them.
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I see you have Swan and Henderson in your connected families.My greatgrandfather was Philip Henderson who came from Aghaloo Co Tyrone.I have traced a much older Philip Henderson to Derrycourtney Aghaloo.It is near Caledon and also just a few miles from Glaslough Co Monaghan where there seems to be a Henderson family.A J Henderson Of Glaslough was buried by the Church Of Ireland Caledon 2/3/1845 aged 75. An Anne Henderson of Derrycourtney married Thomas Swan of Curlagh Co Tyrone ,which is also near Glaslough 1/12/1820.They had children as follows; Margaret 7/12/1823,Anne 14/1/1827.William Henderson 13/2/1831 and Thomas Hearse12/5/1833.I have never been able to trace my Philip Henderson back to this family.I expect these names are common in the area but I live in hope that I will find a connection.
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Just off hand..an Oliver Henderson of Lisburn married Catherine Clark b.1841, d.1881 she is buried in Caledon C of I. I haven't looked at the Hendersons very much but they were quite well off judging by the g/stone which unfortunately has fallen over and broken.
I will need to study the tree again as I haven't worked on Tommy Swan lately, will PM you soon as I don't like putting too much information on line to be "harvested" by others....
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Just for information and I have no idea if there any connections, I have a Thomas Wright baptised 1 April 1836 at Ematris, to parents Thomas Wright and Emily nee Wadsworth. Thomas Wright senior died before his son was baptised. He and Emily married 25 Feb 1835, again at Ematris. I do not know what happened to the child.
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Just for information and I have no idea if there any connections, I have a Thomas Wright baptised 1 April 1836 at Ematris, to parents Thomas Wright and Emily nee Wadsworth. Thomas Wright senior died before his son was baptised. He and Emily married 25 Feb 1835, again at Ematris. I do not know what happened to the child.
Was Emily John's daughter? Wadsworths don't seem to be around for very long, might be an easier family to research. They seem to have lived in Milltown.
Have you checked silverspoon.com to see if they are one of these Wrights?
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Yes, Emily bapt 18/4/1815, of Milltown, John Wadsworth. She married Thomas Wright on 24/2/1835 and after she was widowed, married Edward Fagan on 11/4/1838. My primary interest is Emily and her second husband. Any help with the Wadsworths wd be much appreciated. I haven't been able to get anywhere further back.
As i have separately posted, Emily and Edward and two of their children were lost at sea whilst emigrating to the USA (family tradition).
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Well you seem to have Ematris records which don't go further back in time so it is doubtful if you will get back unless by Wills or property transactions, which are better documented than people.
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Some posts split from this thread- See Thomas WRIGHT & Sarah BOAG topic here-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=567366.new#new
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Interested in Wood/s......who went to PEI Canada Also interested in Doyle and McGinnity var spellings incl McEntee1840 to PEI Carpenter/farmer Co Monaghan l Truagh
John Dowd married Mary Wood/s prior to 1841
Thanks