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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: fishergate on Wednesday 13 January 10 19:59 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on Scottish Tea- dealers based in Liverpool in the early 19th century (1800-1850) and originating in Dumfriesshire ?
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There was one by the name of Thomas Minn at 20 Hawke Street in 1851.
HO107/2182 f114 p25
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There are 77 'Tea Dealers' listed in the 1824 directory of Liverpool - plus a lot more under 'Grocers & Tea Dealers'.
Do you have a name for your Dumfries party?
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Reply to HENRY 7
The surnames I am searching for are BEATTIE and (Robert) FERGUSON
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Sorry, Fishergate, no Beattie or Ferguson listed among the Tea Dealers, or Grocers in the 1824 Liverpool directory.
In the alphabetical list there's a Jane Beattie who kept a boarding house at 18 Standish Street, and five Fergusons - Alexander who kept a pub, the Edinburgh Castle; James A. who kept the Union Tavern; Thomas, a joiner; and two Williams, a mariner and a hairdresser.
Also had a look at Manchester, but no joy there either.
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There's this on Curious Fox - is that from you FG?
"William Beattie - Dalton
I am looking for the family of William Beattie born Dumfrieshire 1794/6 possibly in Dalton to Andrew Beattie and Margaret Robertson. William married Elizabeth Newill in Meols Brace Shropshire in 1824 and is described as a tea dealer. Does anyone have Andrew and Margaret in their family tree? "
http://www.curiousfox.com/history_S/dumfries_2.html
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Hello Shaun,
Thank you for your reply. Yes ...I posted the item on Curious Fox ... I've been searching for a while !!
William Beattie was born in Dumfriesshire c. 1796 . On his marriage licence at Meoles Brace Shropshire he was described as 'tea-dealer. Settled in Welshpool as a seedsman and then a farmer. I felt that the Shropshire /Montgomeryshire area was his selling area but he seemed to have links with Liverpool so I thought his Agent or Proprietor might be based there.
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Thanks for your reply Henry.
I suppose I should really look more closely in Dumfriesshire as tea - dealing was often the trade of younger sons ,I believe.
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Hiya!!
I'm also looking for any pictures, maps or information on a cocoa room 17 Great George Place Liverpool, could possibly be called Bermingham Dining Room. The proprietor was William Henry Blythe in 1901 and William Greenwood in 1911 who was Williams Son in Law!! :)
Many Thanks!!
Cal
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Hi I came across the thread as I am looking for info on the occupation of Tea Dealer, what status would this job have had? My ggg-gf was a Tea Dealer. His name was John McFadzean, he was an Irish immigrant and died in 1875 age 78 years old at Kilmarnock.
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My gt-gt-grandfather George Adamson (1806-1859) was also a Scottish Tea Dealer. He came from Ruthwell, Dumfriesshire, and moved to Rochdale, Lancs., where he set up his business, employing 3 men. I dare say the tea was imported to Liverpool and transported up the Liverpool-Manchester canal system to Rochdale and elsewhere. He seems to have done rather well out of the business, educating his children privately. I have 2 large oil portraits of him and his wife - he looks very forbidding and she looks rather sweet.
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gillg
Do you have the parents of George Adamson born in Ruthwell Dumfriesshire ? He must have been a contemporary of my 2x gt. grandfather in Dumfriesshire. Was he a younger son ?
Fishergate
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fishergate
I believe George's parents were Robert Adamson 1777-1855, son of James & Isobel, and Jannet Bell 1781-1821. George was the only son of the couple, but Robert married again (to Christine Carruthers) and had 3 sons - John 1825, Robert Symes 1828 and James 1830. From the information I was given from another family member, it looks as though George and his half-brothers all moved to Rochdale, where they eventually died. George and his wife have a splendid monument in Rochdale cemetery decorated with thistles and roses. Robert is said to have been a grocer.
As I said above, I believe this to be true, but am relying on the information given to me by another family member, who has put together a massive family tree going back to the Scottish kings! She has also kindly added 10 years to my age, so I cannot rely on her information entirely!
Gillg
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Gillg belated apologies for adding 10 years to your age. I've found you again now in my tree descended from Sarah Ann Adamson who married John Hurst.
I'm using the latest version of Family Tree Maker so I can sync to Ancestry.Having used the old version since 2000 I'm still getting to grips with the new version and often have to revert to my old version and a copy tree when I want to look something up.
Your age won't show in my Ancestry tree as it marks living people as private. !
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Hello again, Joy!
Yes, Sarah Ann Adamson and George Thomas Hurst were my grandparents, though they died so young that I never knew them. I married comparatively late and my children were not born till my mid 30s, which probably confused you.
Gill :)
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Hi both
While researching our businessmen mentioned on another thread I also came across tea men from Scotland in Liverpool.
My best links came from Scotlands People
The bmd records are great with loads of details but the best bit was I had alimited will from the uk list with a referral to one in Portugal. It turned out though that he and the son had property in Scotland as well as elsewhere though and the documents on here were brilliant with referals to businesses and contacts in England as well as Scotland and abroad including Portugal, Brazil and Canada. Worth a look?
By the way,Giillg was the Carruthers in the marriage you mention anything to do with Carruthers form?
Our research started with Richard Carruthers artist and ended up with Carruthers travels and business all over the world including wine in Portugal and manufacturing and importing including cotton in Manchester and tea in Liverpool.
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Hello, Emms
The only Carruthers I have in my tree is Christine, born 1796 in Dumfries & Galloway. She was the second wife of my gt-gt-grandfather George Adamson's brother Robert, but more than that I don't know, I'm afraid. (George was a tea dealer, born in Ruthwell, D & G, but moved to Rochdale as a young man.)
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Hi
Thank you for getting back
I did quite a bit of research in the Borders/Dumfries area when I was up north and there are hoards of Carruthers though not all dealers and merchants!
Best wishes
Emms :)
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My g-grandfather was Robert Syme Adamson, son of Robert of Gretna, and nephew of your George. It interests me greatly to see mention of a large family tree going back a while, since I am stuck at the brothers and their other siblings being born at the Avenuehead. Comlongon. Any chance of a peep at the tree? Australia is isolated as far as sources go.
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Hello johnea
I don't have the full family tree online, but suggest you contact the earlier RootsChat correspondent #13 - joys of glass - for her updated tree. Good to meet another relative. :) The Scottish side of my family is now well and truly diluted, I'm afraid, though my mother was very proud of it and my cousin, who later lived in Scotland, used to wear the kilt on occasion!
Gillg
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My g-grandfather was Robert Syme Adamson, son of Robert of Dumfries. I am very interested in your mention of a family tree. Would it be possible to have a peep, as primary sources are rather limited for research here in Australia.
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Hello johnea
I don't have the full family tree online, but suggest you contact the earlier RootsChat correspondent at reply #13 - joys of glass - for her updated tree. Good to meet another relative. :) The Scottish side of my family is now well and truly diluted, I'm afraid, though my mother was very proud of it and my cousin, who later lived in Scotland, used to wear the kilt on occasion!
Gillg
You can send a personal message to joys of glass by clicking on the scroll symbol at the side of the page by her name after you have posted 3 messages.
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This from Trotter's, "Galloway Gossip!" 1901.
Packmen/teamen who travelled to England from Galloway.
"They cairriet the tea in quarter puns an sell't tae the English on credit an came back in a fortnight an gat the siller, an left another quarter. They bocht it in lairge quantities for ready money and blended it an made big profit on't, an some o them werna lang in makin fortins!
When yin o them had a bigger connection nor he could manage hissel he wid bring a young lad fae Gallowa fur a kin o prentice an he had tae serve fae five tae seeven year withoot pey, only his meat & claes; an his maister wid gie him a wheen o customers tae stert wi an let him make a connection fur hissel.
If he behave't hissel, his maister wud sell him pairt o his connection an gie him tea tae supply his customers or let him begin a new connection but supply him wi tea an siller tae gang on wi. Than he had tae pey him back wi installments an if he wus study an clever he had little trouble in doin't.
Its no every yin can do at the pack, wee fairmers sons an young plewmen dis best; a thin-skinn't falla or yin wi the feelins an notions o a gentleman'll no dae ava.
Deed that kind disna do weel at aucht noo-a-days!"
Apparently many of the Liverpool merchants had Galloway origins and the Isle of Man smugglers did well running goods into Galloway's Solway creeks, with their ferocious tides & shifting sands, at the time of the French wars. Tea being light and valuable was a favourite cargo & the well armed smuggling gangs a formidable terror to the excisemen.
For an accent to Trotter's above, Private Fraser from "Dads Army" would be not far off! ;D
Bests,
Skoosh.