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Title: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 14 January 10 23:26 GMT (UK)
Does any one know if my 4th x great grandfather would have a headstone at Upper Coomera Cemetery.

His name is George James Donald died 20/1/1889 buried 21/1/1889 I am not sure if his wife Ann Donald nee Johnstone/Johnston is buried with him or not as I have not been able to find her on the BDM site for deaths. I have no idea who her parents are.

They came out from Rothiemay, Banff, Scotland and helped to build Darling Harbour from what I have been told.  I am not sure when they arrived in Australia

They had the following children
Ann Donald 1819-1889
James Donald 1821-1905
Margaret Donald 1823-1906
Walter Donald 1825-1896
Mary Donald 1827-1894
Isabella Donald 1829-1922 my 3rd great grandmother
Jane Donald 1829-1919 (Isabella and Jane were twins)
George Donald 1832-1881

Thank for your help

I have more info on the other children but not much

Will post other details soon

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James Donald & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 14 January 10 23:37 GMT (UK)
This is the family so far

Ann Donald married Henry Phipps 1842
Henry died 1857 Tenterfield
They had the following children
Jane  1848-1935
Henry 1854-1916
James 1843-1905
Mary 1844
Emma 1856-1863

Ann Donald then married George Harris in 1860, Queensland
They had one child that I know of Robert Harris born 1860

James Donald married Mary Helen Hore 3/2/1850 Brisbane

Margaret married Henry Page NSW 2/2/1842

Walter married Emma Hughes 1854 Queensland

Mary married William Binstead 1843 NSW

Isabella married John Smith (have all the info for them) My 3rd great grandparents

Jane married Edward Blanchfield 1845 Queensland

George married Hannah Hughes 1854 Queensland


If anyone can help with children etc that would be great

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 00:23 GMT (UK)
Hello Newbe,

There are no MI's for the name DONALD at Upper Coomera Cemetery, perhaps if they had headstones they no longer exsist.

However there are some for your BINSTEAD family:

Binstead, Annie, d. 18 Jul 1930, aged 87yrs, s/w William Binstead (husband)
Binstead, Aris, d. 4 Jul 1968, aged 69yrs, s/w Thomas Charles Binstead (husband)
Binstead, Arthur, d. 1 Oct 1926, aged 79yrs, s/w Harriet Ann Binstead
Binstead, Harriet Ann, d. 24 Jul 1927, aged 73 yrs, s/w Arthur Binstead
Binstead, Mary, d. 10 Nov 1894, aged 66yrs, s/w William Binstead (husband)
Binstead, Thomas Charles, d. 12 Oct 1952, aged 59yrs, s/w Aris Binstead (wife)
Binstead, William, d. 23 Jul 1903, aged 82yrs, s/w Mary Binstead (wife)
Binstead, William, d. 31 Jan 1920, aged 79yrs, s/w Annie Binstead (wife)

These come courtesy of Judy Dickson who transcribed the exsisting MI's in at the cemetery in 2006.

~MERLIN~

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 00:27 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much MERLIN

This really does give me more to go on.

Love you cat by the way :D

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 00:33 GMT (UK)
Newbe,

If you PM me an email address I can send you some photos of the headstones.

~MERLIN~
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 00:34 GMT (UK)
PM on the way soon

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 00:37 GMT (UK)
Start of BINSTEAD Family

V18442907 28#1844      BINSTEAD      MARIA      WILLIAM      MARY
V18522704 38#1852      BINSTEAD      ELLEN      WILLIAM A      MARY             
V18532928 39A#1853    BINSTEAD    CHARLOTTE    WILLIAM A    MARY

Thanks to Robbie  for this via PM

This is what I have found so far. Could be more

Births

1854#84   Maria   Binstead   William   Mary -
1854#321   Mary Ann   Binstead   William Alfred   Mary -
1854#591   Ellen    Binstead   William Alfred   Mary -
1861#463   Caroline Elizabeth   Binstead   William   Mary Donald
1863#2151   Eliza   Binstead   William   Mary Donald
1866#5189   Matilda   Binstead   William   Mary Donald
1868#97   Matilda   Binstead   William   Mary Donald
1868#8912   Isabella Jane   Binstead   William   Mary Donald
1871#12901   William Alfred   Binstead   William Alfred   Mary Donald

Deaths
1857#122   Harriet   Binstead   William Binstead   Mary Donald
1876#1257   Matilda   Binstead   William Binstead   Mary Donald
1895#27891   Philip Leslie   Binstead   William Alfred Binstead   Mary Johnstone Hall
1923#41617   George   Binstead   William Alfred Binstead   Mary Donald
1959#35429   William Alfred   Binstead   William Alfred   Mary Donald

Newbe

PS: Have not looked for marriages yet for the BINSTEADS
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 01:03 GMT (UK)
PM on the way soon

Cheers
Newbe

On their way now...
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 01:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for the photos

Does anyone had the BDM CD that has bates of births, deaths and marriages. Would make it a bit easier that going through the QLD one month by month

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 01:15 GMT (UK)
Yes Newbe I do have the BDM cd's, but they are online for free here & have recently been updated:

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

I have to go out this afternoon, but I will PM send you a lot of links to the families so you can read the history on them as soon as I get time.

Seems as though your family married into the Binstead, Howard, Hollindale, Thomas, Fowler & Bozier.

That's a few names for you to follow up in the meantime.

~MERLIN~

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 01:25 GMT (UK)
Thanks so much for your help
I have to go to work later as well so will have a look at all you send me later on.

Thank you so much for your help.


it took me abt 20 minutes to narrow down Maria Binstead's birth to 9 June 1844 so it will be a hard slog but it will work out in the end :D

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 01:33 GMT (UK)
Well, as the were are VERY well known families in the district, the history I will send you is going to save you a lot of time.

~MERLIN~
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 01:44 GMT (UK)
Yes Newbe I do have the BDM cd's, but they are online for free here & have recently been updated:

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

I have to go out this afternoon, but I will PM send you a lot of links to the families so you can read the history on them as soon as I get time.

Seems as though your family married into the Binstead, Howard, Hollindale, Thomas, Fowler & Bozier.

That's a few names for you to follow up in the meantime.

~MERLIN~



Also married into Hughes, Hore, Phipps, Harris, Andreson
Now the Anderson one is interesting.
Jane Donald married Edward Anderson
This is from a cousin

Quote
Edward Ned Blanchfield changed his name to Blanchfield Anderson as his parents were Convicts the name subsequently became Anderson It is believed that Ned was a Mayor of Allora in the Warwick Shire of Queensland and his marriage at Canning Downs Station was one of the first in the Darling Downs region.

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Robert Coble on Friday 15 January 10 01:47 GMT (UK)
Jane Donald married Edward Anderson did marriage in 1845 Queensland
Children:
Elizabeth Jane b: 5/4/1857
Arthur George b:23/03/1859
Unnamed b:14/09/1860
Emely b: 23/12/1861
Unnamed Male B;19/10/1863
Susan Margaret b:25/10/1866
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 01:55 GMT (UK)
As promised I have just PM'd you a HUGE amount of information on your familes as it would take me forever to cut & paste then transcibe everything & post it here for you!

So as you sort through them if you have any blanks or questions just ask...

~MERLIN~

 
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 01:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Robert

Your help has been wonderful

Thanks MERLIN as well for all your help

Off to look at this PM now

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 02:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Merlin,

You have given me some much info with the links you sent me.

Looks like I shall be busy later on tonight doing more reading on this lovely family etc

Thanks :D

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: cando on Friday 15 January 10 02:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe ;D

Still plodding along ;) ;D

A link to lots of info - including photos of graves
http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/Upper_Coomera-Gold_Coast/index.php

Newbe always a good idea to google any cemeteries names or names of family you are researching as we are not permitted to cut and paste information from other websites and it does take time to transcribe.

Cheers ;D
Cando
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 02:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks Cando

Looks like there is no headstone at Upper Coomera cemetery for me but is for other family.

Thanks to eveyone for all your help

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 03:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe,

I have just PM'd  you a photo of Mary Donald who married John Hollindale plus some history on them.

She was the grandaughter of your George & Ann.

I have also found some of the family also buried at Lower Coomera Cemetery, information in another PM.

~MERLIN~
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: cando on Friday 15 January 10 04:02 GMT (UK)
Quote
I am a retired archives research compiler.
Merlin

Hi Merlin

May I suggest that you post links to any resources you may consider useful and not already listed at Australian Resources and the individual states.  These resources have been compiled and organised by Kris our moderator.  Many were resourced by Kris and many were submitted by members of rootschat to assist fellow researchers. A time consuming exercise.

I am sure links to any new useful resources would be appreciated by fellow chatters.

Cheers
Cando



Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 08:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Newbe,

I have just PM'd  you a photo of Mary Donald who married John Hollindale plus some history on them.

She was the grandaughter of your George & Ann.

I have also found some of the family also buried at Lower Coomera Cemetery, information in another PM.

~MERLIN~

Who were her parents please. It would make it easier to place her

Thanks Newbe

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 08:33 GMT (UK)
I also think it is a good idea to post the links you have given me in case someone else out there is researching the same family and comes across this thread

Thanks
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 09:35 GMT (UK)
Who were her parents please.
It would make it easier to place her
Thanks Newbe
 

Actually all their details have been sent to you which were supplied courtesy of another family member.

Parents:

James Donald & Mary Helen Hore

James was the son of George James Donald & Ann Johnston.

James - B & D:

b. 25 Mar 1821, Rothiemay, Banffshire, Scotland d. 01 Sep 1905, Coomera, Queensland, Australia   
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 09:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for that.

I did not know I was in contact with any family members

I shall have to work that one out

newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 09:47 GMT (UK)
Looks like Mary Donald's birth in 1856 is missing from QLD BDM as I can not see it there.

if anyone else can see it that would be great

Newbe

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Robert Coble on Friday 15 January 10 10:25 GMT (UK)
Yes I can't see any Mary born in 1856 there in QLD
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 19:33 GMT (UK)
Who were her parents please.
It would make it easier to place her
Thanks Newbe
 

Actually all their details have been sent to you which were supplied courtesy of another family member.

Parents:

James Donald & Mary Helen Hore

James was the son of George James Donald & Ann Johnston.

James - B & D:

b. 25 Mar 1821, Rothiemay, Banffshire, Scotland d. 01 Sep 1905, Coomera, Queensland, Australia   


Can you tell me who this other family member is please.

I can think of one person but they have no info what so ever on the Donald side of the family.

If you would be so kind to explain that would be great

Thanks
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 19:35 GMT (UK)
Looks like Mary Donald's birth in 1856 is missing from QLD BDM as I can not see it there.

if anyone else can see it that would be great

Newbe


Yes I can't see any Mary born in 1856 there in QLD

Thanks very much for looking Robert. I wonder if it was not registered at all. The birth that is :)

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 20:37 GMT (UK)
Back in my first post I asked for help to find out where Ann/Anne/Annie Donald died.  Her parents are Walter JOHNSTON and Margaret OGILVIE.

I have search the QLD BDM site with no luck. I do not think she remarried. Her husband George Donald died 20/1/1889. I now know there is no headstone for him in Upper Coomera Cemetery after looking at the Chapel Hill link in one of the other replies.

How am I going to find when she died?

Thanks for your help

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 23:21 GMT (UK)
I am stuck ???

I am trying to find the death of Ann DONALD born 19/1/1858 Gopmburra, QLD Parents are George DONALD and Hannah HUGHES
Ann married William Joseph BARR in 1880. He died in 1891 in Ipswish, QLd

Ann next married William Alfred Walter in 1895

Both marriages have her as Annie and not Ann

I have info saying she died 10/5/1907 in Dalby QLD but can find no death for her on the BDM site

I can not find the death under Barr or Walter

Does anyone have any ideas where to check next

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Friday 15 January 10 23:27 GMT (UK)
She is listed on the index under WALTERS for the date that you have written with the correct parents.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 15 January 10 23:31 GMT (UK)
Thanks MERLIN :)

i should have tried it with an "s" at the end of Walter and did not think of it.

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 16 January 10 01:52 GMT (UK)
Hi There can some one check for a marriage for a William Arthur Donald please his parents are Edwin Donald and Eliza Hunt

I think the marriage is in 1923 but both parties seem to have the same name

Cheers
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Saturday 16 January 10 02:06 GMT (UK)
It appears the index has an error on it  ::)
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 16 January 10 02:10 GMT (UK)
It appears the index has an error on it  ::)

Looks like I might have to send them an email and see if they can tell me if it is the correct one or not.

Does he appear on the BDM cd correctly?

Newbe

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Saturday 16 January 10 02:12 GMT (UK)
Just looked at the AEC for 1925 & he is listed with his wife Vera Augusta living in Townsville QLD AUS.

So that is his marriage in 1923 & for some reason the index has mirrored her details when you put his name in.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 16 January 10 02:14 GMT (UK)
This is what it has on the index so that others can see what I am talking about.
I just searched for William Arthur Donald only on the marriage index

1923 #32162   Persson   Vara Augusta to Pearson   Vera Augusta

I have done this again in case I was seeing things but I am not

I would not think there would be an error like that but these things do happen

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 16 January 10 02:15 GMT (UK)
Just looked at the AEC for 1925 & he is listed with his wife Vera Augusta living in Townsville QLD AUS.

So that is his marriage in 1923 & for some reason the index has mirrored her details when you put his name in.

Thanks for that MERLIN

A very happy newbe now :D
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 17 January 10 08:12 GMT (UK)
I have been looking on the web and have found some children to James DONALD and Mary Ellen (Helen) Hore (Hoare)

Walter John born 1852
Mary Born 1855
John born 1858
Bridget born 1861
James born 1864
George born 1865
Annie born 1898
Emma Born 1871

I can only find A registration for Walter John, John and Emma;s births on QLD BDM. I have also seen Waler John Nad John's births on NSW as well.

Would this mean that some of the births were not registered at all?

Also the only ones I have found a death for are Mary Donald under the surname HOLLINDALE in 1917  and John Donald in 1926 I think. I am finding it hard to find the others. Can any one else see them or any marriages for them please

Thank you so much

I have almost been glued to the computer today and have a major headache. This is doing me head in ::)

Newbe

Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 25 January 10 07:41 GMT (UK)
I have been looking on the web and have found some children to James DONALD and Mary Ellen (Helen) Hore (Hoare)

Walter John born 1852
Mary Born 1855
John born 1858
Bridget born 1861
James born 1864
George born 1865
Annie born 1898
Emma Born 1871

I can only find A registration for Walter John, John and Emma;s births on QLD BDM. I have also seen Waler John Nad John's births on NSW as well.

Would this mean that some of the births were not registered at all?

Also the only ones I have found a death for are Mary Donald under the surname HOLLINDALE in 1917  and John Donald in 1926 I think. I am finding it hard to find the others. Can any one else see them or any marriages for them please

Thank you so much

I have almost been glued to the computer today and have a major headache. This is doing me head in ::)

Newbe



Hi There,

I am now wondering if James and Mary went back to Rothiemay, Banff, Scotland with their family.

I see James died 1905 as his death is registered on the QLD BDM site but on the GR trees that i have looked at it says he died in his home country of Scotland. Mary died 1916. death registered on QLD BDM

Do I go looking for them in Scotland?

Can some one please advise me. I have searched QLD and NSW BDM for this family and have come up empty handed

Thanks for all your help

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: jimmyduck1 on Saturday 24 July 10 23:35 BST (UK)
Hi newbe,  I am the ggg grandson of george donald who died in Coomera in 1889.  His youngest son (also George Donald) is my gg grandfather.  The family history has already been meticulously researched by a lady called Denise Cane and she has published a comprehensive book on same.  I have a photo of old George Snr.  Please advise if you wish more info and I will oblige.  The National Library of Australia website has a newspapers section.  You can find several articles regarding old George. Simply type "George Donald Coomera" into the search box.   
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 24 July 10 23:56 BST (UK)
Hi There,

A very warm welcome to rootschat. If you post 2 more times I will be able to send you my email address via the personal message system we have here.

I would love more info on this family as I do not have much at all. It is so great to meet a family member on here.

I am related through John Smith and Isabella Donald. They are my 3rd great grandparents

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 24 July 10 23:59 BST (UK)
This link here might be useful to help you understand the PM system

http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php

I think there are others but can't see them at the moment

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: jimmyduck1 on Sunday 25 July 10 04:25 BST (UK)
Isabella Smith is buried in Lawnton cemetery only about 20 mins from us.  Unfortunately the grave is unmarked. 

William Donald is my grandfather's (Norman Victor Donald) brother.  He was an electrician in Brisbane, Townsville and finally residing in Nambour Qld.  Bill had two children, John and Elwyn.  John was killed during WW2 in a Halifax bomber crash off the cost of Scotland.  Elwyn never married and only died a couple of years ago in Sydney.

James Donald from Coomera never went back to Scotland. Here is a newspaper article regarding his death.

REgards,  Jim







Hi There,

A very warm welcome to rootschat. If you post 2 more times I will be able to send you my email address via the personal message system we have here.

I would love more info on this family as I do not have much at all. It is so great to meet a family member on here.

I am related through John Smith and Isabella Donald. They are my 3rd great grandparents

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 25 July 10 04:36 BST (UK)
Hi Jim,

William Arthur Donald and his wife Vera are 2nd cousins 3 times removed.

I have Vera's death as 1964 and nothing for William. I have them married in 1923. Is this correct? I have nothing else on them.

If you would like to send me a PM there is a little scroll below my user name. When I am on it will light up a light green colour. when off it is dark green.

I would love to learn more.

Thank you so much for the newspaper article you have attached and the photo as well

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 25 July 10 04:37 BST (UK)
Do you know where Ann is buried? I have no death date for her.

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: jimmyduck1 on Sunday 25 July 10 05:32 BST (UK)
Which Ann?  The wife of George Donald Snr is a mystery so far.  There is no record of her death in Australia.  The boat they came over from Scotland on doesn't mention a death at sea.  It may be probable that she died just prior to leaving Scotland.  I'm not convinced that she ever arrived in Australia.

If you mean their daughter Ann,  who first married Henry Phipps, she then re-married and became Ann Harris.  She is buried in Toowoomba cemetery.

REgards,  Jim
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 25 July 10 05:50 BST (UK)
The wife of George Donald Snr. Yes I have found nothing for her either. I wonder what happened to her

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: DUNMAC on Wednesday 22 June 11 00:20 BST (UK)
Hi,
     George Donald & Anne Johnstone had 8 children born & in the OPR Births Register of Rothiemay, Banff, Scotland. I have added the indexes of the children to my tree on Ancestry, along with the OPR Marriage Index for George & Anne, 12/Dec/1818 in Rothiemay.
                                                                             Regards,
                                                                                           Duncan.

                                           McDonald family tree (Dad.)

P.S. Connection via son James to his son George to his son Percy James who married Sarah Reilly, my direct family connection in Ipswich, daughter of Duncan Reilly & Ann Jones.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 22 June 11 00:27 BST (UK)
Hi,
     George Donald & Anne Johnstone had 8 children born & in the OPR Births Register of Rothiemay, Banff, Scotland. I have added the indexes of the children to my tree on Ancestry, along with the OPR Marriage Index for George & Anne, 12/Dec/1818 in Rothiemay.
                                                                             Regards,
                                                                                           Duncan.

                                           McDonald family tree (Dad.)

P.S. Connection via son James to his son George to his son Percy James who married Sarah Reilly, my direct family connection in Ipswich, daughter of Duncan Reilly & Ann Jones.

Hi Duncan,

My connection is through Isabella DONALD so we are distant cousins.  I do not have a sub with Ancestry but if I PM you my email address could I have access to your tree please.

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: DUNMAC on Wednesday 22 June 11 22:19 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,
                  Was information of any use to you?
                                                                               D.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 22 June 11 22:24 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Yes it was very useful and have added some to my tree already. I did have a tree on Genes Reunited but have not updated it for quite a while.  I use legacy at home for my tree so it makes things easier for me  and have had to divide some of the branches to make it easier.

I have still found nothing for Emma Donald 1871 but did find a death for a Ellen Donald in 1920 with the same parents as the other siblings.  it looks like some of the births were not registered

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: DUNMAC on Wednesday 22 June 11 23:03 BST (UK)
Hi,
       As you can see, spelling of parents names can vary greatly, try more basic searches on the Queensland BMD site for folk.  Try not entering second forenames or only put in father's name or mothers name, as well as the surname. I tend not to insert forename in general searches, unless exact date of BMD is known.
                                              Regards,
                                                               Duncan

 1871/B12786,  Emma Donald,  James,  Mary Helen Hore: 
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 22 June 11 23:09 BST (UK)
Hi Duncan,

I have that entry for Emma but have found no marriage or death for her

These are the death i have found

Year 1932 Reg B16277   George             Donald   James                      Mary Ellen Hoare
Year 1928 Reg B4181             James                      Donald   James Donald   Mary Ellen Hoare
Year 1936 Reg B30594   William Henry   Donald   James                      Mary Ellen Hoare
Year 1920 Reg B33219   Ellen                      Donald   James Donald   Mary Ellen Hore
Year 1920 Reg B32568   John                      Donald   James Donald   Mary Helen Hore

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: DUNMAC on Wednesday 22 June 11 23:17 BST (UK)
Hi,
         Emma Donald 1871 died 1959 in Wang, Victoria: Just obtained via Ancestry tree, Australian Death Index Entry.
                                                                                                                Regards,
                                                                                                                         Duncan
P.S. Thanks for other Death lookups.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 22 June 11 23:33 BST (UK)
Thanks Duncan, I got your  email with it on as well. Have sent a PDF of Isabella Donald's family down to me if that helps.

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: DUNMAC on Thursday 23 June 11 00:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Eileen it arrived ok! Will look into it in depth at the weekend.
                                             Cheers,
                                                       Duncan.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 23 June 11 00:19 BST (UK)
No problem Duncan, I have looked at what you sent me and will add some more of it to my tree in the next few days.

Cheers
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: warkv on Tuesday 04 December 12 00:39 GMT (UK)
Hello Newbe,
I was doing searches on some newly found relatives in the Donald/Smith family and came across your post from a couple of years ago.   My association with the Donald/Smith family is a little mysterious.  All my life I was under the impression that my great grandfather was a Joseph Flynn, married to Harriet Finamor and they lived and died in Brisbane, in the same street I grew up.  Now doing family research, I find that Joseph Flynn was not my biological g grandfather, but that Harriet Finamor, married Ernest James Smith in 1894, they had two children, Charles Ernest Smith b)1894 and Eileen Irene Jesse Smith b) 1904 in Sydney(my grandmother).    :o  Something occurred after 1904 between Harriet and Ernest, but it seems not a divorce, and Harriet took up with Joseph Flynn and they had a further two sons, but never married.  Eileen IJ Smith then took the Flynn name, and this is the reason that the Smith connection was lost, and was never mentioned.   

Investigating my biological ancestor Ernest James Smith, has proven very interesting as it has turned up my first convict in the family tree, John Smith convicted of pick pocketing in 1833 and sentenced to 7 years transportation at the age of 14.   He married Isabella Donald in 1846 and had many many children, one of which was Ernest James Smith.

So Isabella Donald is my (paternal) G G Grandmother and I see she is your 3rd Great grandmother, so I guess we are related in some way.

I am very interested in any information you may have found in your journey on Ernest James Smith and what happened to him.  I am having trouble finding any record of him at all after my grandmothers birth.  I have her birth certificate, and I have John Smith's d) 1899 death certificate from Ancestry, so I know I have the right family.

Any information we could share would be great.  Hope to speak to you soon.   Veronica Wark
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 04 December 12 03:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Veronica,

Thank you for this info. Also a warm welcome to rootschat.  I have no info on Ernest James SMITH but see I have a different wife for him. It could be because this lady is buried with him at Mt Gravatt Cemetery in Brisbane.
https://online.brisbane.qld.gov.au/cemeteries/cemeteries_step3.jsp?mapdisplay=70532

I hope the link works.

If you post 2 more times I can send a personal message with me email address for you to contact me so we can exchange more info.

I did not know that John SMITH was a convict so that was new to me as well.   I am doing some searching now to try and find more info on Ernest James SMITH. He is my 2nd great grand uncle if that helps.

I will do a search to find out how many children he had and to what wife etc. Look forward to hearing from you

Newbe :)
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: warkv on Tuesday 04 December 12 05:24 GMT (UK)
Well thank you for getting back to me so fast.  I hope all the information I have put together so far is correct, but I am still trying to find out more information on John Smith and his convict background.  So will hopefully be able to give you more as I get it.

Regards
Veronica
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: warkv on Tuesday 04 December 12 05:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Veronica,

Thank you for this info. Also a warm welcome to rootschat.  I have no info on Ernest James SMITH but see I have a different wife for him. It could be because this lady is buried with him at Mt Gravatt Cemetery in Brisbane.
https://online.brisbane.qld.gov.au/cemeteries/cemeteries_step3.jsp?mapdisplay=70532

I hope the link works.

If you post 2 more times I can send a personal message with me email address for you to contact me so we can exchange more info.

I did not know that John SMITH was a convict so that was new to me as well.   I am doing some searching now to try and find more info on Ernest James SMITH. He is my 2nd great grand uncle if that helps.

I will do a search to find out how many children he had and to what wife etc. Look forward to hearing from you

Newbe :)
I think that Ernest James Smith might have married again, did he get a divorce from Harriet, I have not been able to find a record of one, but we can hope.   I have no doubt that he would have married again, but this is something I will have to investigate further.   Thanks for the link to the cemetery I will check it out now.   I hope this covers my two posts.   All a bit new on how this all works, but I guess I will catch on.  Regards
Veronica
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 04 December 12 05:30 GMT (UK)
Hi There,

Ernest James SMITH was buried 26/11/1966.
I am not sure who Elizabeth Bridget SMITH is she was buried with him on 29/11/1977

I have found that Harriet FINAMORE died on 8/10/1951 under the surname SMITH if that helps.

Have not checked yet to see where she is buried.

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 04 December 12 05:34 GMT (UK)
Have sent you a personal message

Look forward to hearing from you

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: twisty on Sunday 13 July 14 15:40 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe
We share a 3rd and 4th Grandparent. I am also from Isobel Donald / John Smith line. Then through Hannah line . Would be keen to share information. I was also searching for Geoerge James Donald's gravestone and have tromped through the upper Coomera and Foxwell Road Cemetries looking.... Am going to go to Nerang Historical Society and see if they have further information.
Twisty
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Bundy_au on Wednesday 17 July 19 01:55 BST (UK)
Hi newbe_nz
I was in the middle of a little family research and came across your question about George Donald. He was also my 3 times great grandfather. A news story was published in Queensland's Courier Mail last week that will interest you as it relates to George's grave site. The story tells us of a block of land about to be sold in the Upper Coomera which was the site of the once Holy Rood Church. The story goes to tells that three bodies have been found by ground scanning. A leader of the church that owns the site has deduced that one of these is the grave of George Donald. If you would like to know more, please reply.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 17 July 19 03:09 BST (UK)
Hi there, I would love to know more about this

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 17 July 19 03:12 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe
We share a 3rd and 4th Grandparent. I am also from Isobel Donald / John Smith line. Then through Hannah line . Would be keen to share information. I was also searching for Geoerge James Donald's gravestone and have tromped through the upper Coomera and Foxwell Road Cemetries looking.... Am going to go to Nerang Historical Society and see if they have further information.
Twisty

Hi there, if you reply 2 more times with a smiley face I will be able to connect with you via the personal message system

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Bundy_au on Wednesday 17 July 19 05:02 BST (UK)
I am new to this site, so hopefully I have attached the news item correctly. Hope it helps.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 17 July 19 06:03 BST (UK)
I am new to this site, so hopefully I have attached the news item correctly. Hope it helps.

I say, that is a very interesting article. I am now wondering who is buried with George DONALD.  Will need to check my family tree to see if I have anything recorded or not.

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Lightning67 on Wednesday 17 July 19 08:00 BST (UK)
Hi Also new to site.

Am also a descendant of George and Ann. Down through Isobel... Hannah Smith, Phoebe Godfrey and beyond.   Keen to find out as much as possible.
Was very excited to see the news article in Courier Mail / Anglicare . I went to the site on Maudsland Road today and stood near the markers - outlining the area George is reportedly buried. Very exciting if it is him - I have trekked through both cemeteries in Coomera looking for him to no avail.  There was a photo on Ancestry.com.au - not sure if it is verified but it claims to be George Jame Donald.... . Look forward to following this thread! And finding others from the down line.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Lightning67 on Wednesday 17 July 19 08:02 BST (UK)
Oops attached a photo - but I think I did it wrong and then noticed it had already been posted
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Lightning67 on Wednesday 17 July 19 08:05 BST (UK)
hmmm having trouble attaching pdf's - assume I should be filling the post with a big pic !
Title: Re: George James Donald & family Queensland
Post by: wrjones on Wednesday 17 July 19 08:36 BST (UK)
This is the family so far

Ann Donald married Henry Phipps 1842
Henry died 1857 Tenterfield
They had the following children
Jane  1848-1935
Henry 1854-1916
James 1843-1905
Mary 1844
Emma 1856-1863

Ann Donald then married George Harris in 1860, Queensland
They had one child that I know of Robert Harris born 1860

James Donald married Mary Helen Hore 3/2/1850 Brisbane

Margaret married Henry Page NSW 2/2/1842

Walter married Emma Hughes 1854 Queensland

Mary married William Binstead 1843 NSW

Isabella married John Smith (have all the info for them) My 3rd great grandparents

Jane married Edward Blanchfield 1845 Queensland

George married Hannah Hughes 1854 Queensland


If anyone can help with children etc that would be great

Cheers
Newbe

I can't think why I missed this post originally.In any event I have the descendants of both Emma Hughes who married Walter Donald and also Hannah Hughes who married George Donald in my Tree.Both marriages taking place in 1854.Emma and Hannah were sisters and relatives of mine.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: Lightning67 on Wednesday 17 July 19 09:04 BST (UK)
Newbe
What is your down line after Isobel?
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: newbe_nz on Wednesday 17 July 19 09:48 BST (UK)
Hi There,

Isabella DONALD married John SMITH 1846
Daughter Clara Edith SMITH married Richard William BUCKBY 1877
Their son Richard William BUCKBY married Violet COPPELL 1908
Their Daughter Beryl Syliva Sarah BUCKBY married Gordon Walter PARKER 1937
my mum married Arthur Roland SMITH 1968
Then me.

All names are deceased

Newbe
Title: Re: George James DONALD & family Queensland
Post by: jbarbara on Friday 23 July 21 11:06 BST (UK)
Hi,

this land is finally for sale... did anyone here determine whom the buried graves belong to or been involved with any exhumations etc since 2019?