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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: flodjod on Friday 15 January 10 22:24 GMT (UK)
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Looking for the line back from him, dob c 1835 dod ap 8 1907 in wellington NZ, Married Ellen theresa Britten 1858 in Vic Aus her dob 29 dec 1838 Hobart dod 25 May 1924 NZ, daughter of John Moore Britten dob 1808 Cumbria dod aug 13 1870 Tarnagulla Vic and Elizabeth Crowe dob 1818 Tipperrary Ireland dod July 6 1893 Dunolly Vic they were married hobart June 18 1838.
I am the the GT grandson of James through down his son Walter Heathcote Jordan dob sep 6 1881 in nz dod 28 ap 1948 wellinton NZ and his Son Lloyd winfield Jordan dob Aug 13 1919 Helensville NZ dod oct 16 1981 wellington NZ.
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If you have the ref number of the marriage of James and Ellen you can download a certificate directly from
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/certificate-applications
This certificate shoud give his birthplace and father's name.
Another R'chatter can probably give you the reg #.
Judith
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John Britten was a convict to Tasmania.
Do you have the particulars of his record and this application to marry?
BRITTEN, John. ship- Lotus applied to marry CROWE, Elizabeth ship- Arab. on 03 MAY 1838 .CON52/1 p18 RGD36/3 : 1838/4093.
Sue
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=11
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have just started to break into the jordan back line in last few days so have no certs etc although have seen a reference to john bitten convict number 1867, Had thought that James w Jordan had come to NZ from eng or wales according to family folklaw which is now very suspect
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Hi
Just because his wife's parents were convicts we needn't assume that JAMES WINFIELD JORDAN shared the same background.
Unless of course you are suspicious for other reasons.
Although I understand your current search is about JAMES W. JORDAN, you can find out more about the BRITTENS from the link I have given.
Click on the blue numbers to view records and also fill in forms for more details if required.
Sue
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thank you for those links.
I have just got a lot of data on the Britten side in last few days hvnt had time to digest it yet.
It came as a surprise that James shifted from Aus to NZ as I had been searching in Nz and starting on a search in uk for him as we were told as kids that he was from wales which still may be the case, strange that it is my line that I have left until last in doing a very big picture tree think I hit a block early on with a lot of conflicting data with the name and put it on hold
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Well, as Judith says,I'm sure someone will come online soon who can give you an index number for the marriage between James and Ellen.
You can then download immediately if you choose for $17 or so.
In addition to the link Judith has given, you might like to see the process explained here.
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA2574F700805DE7/page/Historical+research?OpenDocument&1=60-Historical+research~&2=~&3=~
Sue
ADDING You could of course pay the 99 cents to get the number yourself :D
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Marriage:
JORDAN James married BRITTEN Ellen Teresa 1858 VIC #460
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an index number for the marriage between James and Ellen.
Sue
JORDAN James
BRITTEN Ellen
1858
Reg # 460
There is no place of birth listed for James or Ellen
Raylen
;D As Merlin already said
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Ok thanks so I have to go looking in other places for where he is from and from Whom
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Raylen - did you mean there was no place of birth listed on the index - thus a possibility that getting the actual certificate may find his father's name and perhps a place of birth??
Judith
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Hi Judith
No birth place is listed on the index.
Not sure if that means details weren't transcribed or
there is none given.
Need a wiser head than mine to clear that up ;D
Raylen
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I assume you have seen this website which lists the 9 children born to James and Ellen in Victoria, before 1877. Four of them died in Victoria :'( Such a hard life our ancestors had!
there are also some refs to the origins of the Britten family.
http://mepnab.netau.net/b/britten.html#jordan
Another mention and some contacts on this website
http://familytree.thethakores.com/people/James-Winfield-Jordan/6000000005898491007
Judith
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LOL the geni site is mine thanks and yes have seen the other just downloaded it this morning, although the britten site ends at the same place as me concerning James W jordan heaps of data on Britten
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Hi
It looks as if you will need to download the certificate mentioned above if there is any chance of moving forward.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369963.0.html
will show you what you may find on a Victorian certificate.
The fact that a birthplace is not mentioned on the index does not mean the certificate is totally bereft of information.
Their marriage came soon after civil registration and it may or may not be of use. There is only one way to find out :D and it seems we cannot help you much without it at this stage.
Sue
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I have just had sent to me a link on IGI which lists a James jordan c 1835 Longford tasmania to john jordan and frances quinn.
So this may be him date is right no further data is listed that I can see strange was looking at it this morning and nothing clicked information overload lol not until a collaberator sent it a short while ago and i just opened it
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This is my first time delving around in aus looking for people.
a question was tasmania part of victoria then.
And thanks to you all have got a lot from you all.
Lloyd
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Many of the marriages on the early Victorian indexes do not show place of birth of bride and groom simply because they were not transcribed. I suggest you read this link compiled by Graham Jaunay
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
According to the Tasmanian Archives database a James JORDON b. 1835 married in Tasmania in 1862.
http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/nameindexes
Tasmania and Victoria were two separate Colonies.
Cheers
Cando
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One of many links I'm sure that describes the evolution of Federtion in 1901
The six colonies had autonomy but they under overall Brihtish rule.
Tasmania (Van Diemans land ) was not a part of Victoria (Port Phillip)
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/federation/
Sue
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A bit of a cross over there Cando.
I also have suggested some reading of "certificate information" for Lloyd before he perhaps downloads .
Sue
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http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=OW18950808.2.83&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2%22james+winfield+jordan%22-all
interesting article!!
also could not find on the index the suggested birth in Tasmania in 1835.
Jenn
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There is a reference to a birth date on Tasmanian Colonial families database Jen.
Cheers
Cando
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Be that as it may Cando ;D but I couldn't find it on the Tasmanian index. Thats not to say it isn't there and I haven't found it I am not infalliable :D
Jenn
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lol yes I have had that papers past for a while never quite knowing if it was him up until the other day must have been a big thing then early scientologists maybe lol
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Have the data on James winfield Jordan now, he was born Galway Ireland c 1836 date calculated from Death cert which says age 72 at death in NZ on 8 april 1907 Says he was 22 when he married ellen britten in Victoria,
which is the data I have that he married in 1858.
cert says that he had resided in New Zealand for 27 yrs at time of his death, so that would be c1880 that he and family came to NZ.
Now I am looking to find if he came to Australia by himself or with family or was transported and when.
His parents are listed as John Jordan [ a storekeeper] and Maria Jordan nee Kelly
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Correction
James winfield Jordans father is James Jordan not John as in original post
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Well it looks like your James Winfield Jordan emigrated to Aus with his parents... :D
Here is his mother's death in Victoria.
JORDAN Maria age 71 yrs died 1887 at Beechworth Hospital #9148
Father: Kelly Jno
Mother: Mary MIEKLE
If you purchase & download a copy of her death certificate it will give you further information about the family, such as how long they had been here, his siblings, whether his father was living or deceased & where his mother is buried, which more than likely will be Beechworth Cemetery.
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update on this thread Maria mother of James Winfield Jordan death cert states she was 71 however burial info says 79 which is the right dates for all other data i have on her, buried beechworth in unmarked grave with a further interment of another in 1940, death cert mentions no children and only has married no further info on cert. james and ellen moved to Christchurch nz circa 1876 and had 2 more boys born nz. james and ellen are both buried in karori cemetery wellington nz, shipping data on james going to australia looks like the family or part of it travelled on the james baines arriving in melb 1856, his father looks as though he has been a transcribe error his Fathers name on marriage cert is thomas however on the shipping list its listed as M .. a case of scribble being deciphered wrong as it looks nothing like the M on the mrs jordan (his wife) below his listing, most of the riddle solved thanks to all that helped i just now need to track down several of james siblings
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Thanks for the update.
It's always interesting to see if R'chatters followup suggestions and what they find.
Judith