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Title: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 29 September 09 14:08 BST (UK)
The parish registers from the following list are not included in the LMA/Ancestry dataset.

Not deposited, still at the church

All Hallows, Barking
St Bartholomew the Less
Charterhouse
St Nicholas, Chiswick
Holy Cross, Greenford
St Mary Abbots, Kensington
St Katherine by the Tower
St Giles in the Fields (now deposited but not digitised and transcribed)
St John the Baptist, Savoy
St Peter on the Tower
Whitehall, Chapel Royal

Westminster Parishes

St Paul Covent Garden
Holy Trinity, Knightsbridge
St Anne, Soho
St Georges Chapel, Mayfair
St Clement Danes
St George, Hanover Square
St James, Westminster
St John the Evangelist, Westminster
St Martin in the Fields
Somerset House Chapel

Hounslow Archives
All Saints, Isleworth

Hammersmith & Fulham Archives
St Paul’s Hammersmith (now at LMA, transferred 2015)

Westminster Abbey Muniment Room
St Margaret Westminster
Westminster Abbey

In the course of your own research, please add any others you can’t find and the dates that are missing.
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: cockneykid on Friday 02 October 09 11:57 BST (UK)
The main thing to note with the coverage of the LMA databases on ancestry, is that it will only include parishes where the original registers have been deposited at LMA. Most parish records accessible in the search rooms at LMA are from registers deposited with LMA, however there are some notable acceptions.

The parishes of St Giles in the Fields, All Saints, Isleworth and Christ Church Ealing can all be consulted at LMA on Microfilm, but the originals are not deposited and so they will not be on the ancestry databases

LMA's holdings cover the former counties of London and Middlesex, with the execeptions of the City of London and the City of Westminster who have their own archives. The City of London parishes at Guildhall Library are included on the ancestry database but those held at City of Westminster Archives are not.

For the more central boroughs like Southwark, Lambeth, Islington, Hackney and Tower Hamlets the majority of anglican parishes are held by LMA and are on ancestry. The further out towards the suburbs you get, the more parishes you find that have not deposited their records and these are usually still held at the church. The list is too long to note them all individually

Of the ancient parishes in the area covered by the London Metropolitan Archives, The following are not on the ancestry database.
St Giles in the Fields - films at LMA
All Saints Isleworth - films at LMA
St Paul Hammersmith - Hammersith and Fulham local studies
St Mary Abbotts Kensington -at church
St Margaret Lee - Greenwich Heritage Centre
St Luke Charlton - Greenwich heritage Centre
St John the Baptist Eltham -at church
All the ancient parishes of City of Westminster as listed by Dawn

It should also be noted that for the boroughs of Greenwich and particularly Lewisham many of the parish registers have been deposited with the local studies library

some other notable exceptions are
Dulwich College Chapel - Dulwich College Library
St Peter ad Vincula -a t church?
St John in the Tower - at church?
St James Chapel Royal - TNA
Lincoln's In Chapel - at church?
St Bartholomew the Less - Bart's Hospital
Fleet Prison - TNA
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 12 October 09 09:14 BST (UK)
Thank you Dawn and Cockneykid, this is very useful, saves me tearing my hair out.

regards

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 16 October 09 22:26 BST (UK)
Not missing but interesting...

There are several gentlemen with the surname 'Esquire'  :-\

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Eyesee on Friday 16 October 09 22:37 BST (UK)
What about missing pages.

Going through one particular parish marriages there are a number of pages missing.

The same parish the links to the various years are all wrong in the pre 1812 baptisms, St Sepulchre Holborn. 1787-1808 link actually takes you to 1752-1768 baptisms. The 1787-1808 baptisms do not appear to be there.

Ian C
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: louisa maud on Friday 16 October 09 22:40 BST (UK)
I have found a lot of mistakes, church shown as Kensington when it  clearly  is Kennington, there seems to be no way to correct these mistakes so I suppose they go on uncorrected,  but on the whole I am finding what I need and my gaping holes are quickly diminishing

regards

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Friday 16 October 09 23:31 BST (UK)
At the moment there is no way of reporting them  :o but it's being worked on

But if you want to add them here, I can then let the LMA know.

I'll add

St Simon Hammersmith marriages 1888 indexed and among St Thomas Clapton Common, Hackney, images 10-21

St Mary Stratford, Bow marriages 1888 indexed and among St Mary Stamford Brook images 1-25


Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 19 October 09 08:38 BST (UK)
Hi Dawn
I will have to go back over my notes to find the Kennington showing as Kensington, here is another one found yesterday

Richard Henry Clement
born 1900
Bapt Emmanuel Hornsey
shown as 1890 but it should read 1900, this child wasn't born till 1900
image page 9 of 15

Thank you Dawn but it is a pity one cannot correct these ourselves, my guess the whole of this page for 1900 has been shown as 1890

regards

Brenda
PS how is the job hunting going
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: cockneykid on Wednesday 23 December 09 11:45 GMT (UK)
Yes it is unfortunate that you cannot apply corrections yourself. Having contacted ancestry i was given the following e-mail address to report transcription errors etc. customersolutions@ancestry.com

I have heard that there may be a possible update with regard to fixing transcription errors early in the new year, alternatively the next big update should be around easter when the earlier records should be available fully indexed, hopefully once they index them it might sort out some of the problem links
Title: Missing or Mis-labelled or Mis-linked in the Ancestry LMA records
Post by: suelaw1954 on Saturday 16 January 10 03:55 GMT (UK)
Hi,
While I've found the LMA records online at Ancestry a tremendous help, I have come across a few problems. I thought I'd share with the aim of saving other people wasting time hunting for stuff which isn't there. or is mislabelled or mislinked.

Missing
Parish                                                                 Evidence for Existence
St Giles Cripplegate, Baptisms, 1834-1850   Indexed from the original Prs by LDS, film available
St Dunstan Stepney, Baptisms, 1838-1847   Indexed from the original Prs by LDS, film available
St Mark Kennington, Marriages, 1834-1845   Indexed from the original Prs by LDS, film available
St Pancras Church, Baptisms 1808
Pages 188-207 missing from the online PR.    Indexed from the original Prs by LDS, film available
St John of Wapping, Baptisms 1781-1812   transcribed from microfilm of the original by Docklands Ancestors

Mis-linked
Parish                                                     Problem
St John of Wapping 1707-1740      Nothing missing but this actually includes burials to 1770
St John of Wapping 1813-1834      Actually links to the Baptism register for 1700-1734

Misnamed
Parish                                                Real name
Islington/Saint Luke Milwall         This is actually registers from St Luke Old Street

Unfortunately the Ancestry people aren't interested in this sort of information.

Sue in Australia  8)
Title: Re: Missing or Mis-labelled or Mis-linked in the Ancestry LMA records
Post by: Valda on Saturday 16 January 10 08:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Sue

Dawn my co-moderator has placed this topic at the top of the London and Middlesex look up board

***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,409438.0.html

There's a sticky placed on it - meaning as it gets older it doesn't travel down the board and further back in the pages so it is not lost. It might be better to post there.

The parishes are far from completed for the first period of records indexed and put up as I discovered when I checked the marriages just for the City of London churches.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Saturday 16 January 10 13:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Sue

I've merged your topic so that it is now included with other parish information.

As Valda & Cockneykid explained, the LMA/Ancestry project is still a 'work in progress'. We are hopeful for further additions with another update hopefully in the spring of 2010.

Dawn

Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Valda on Saturday 16 January 10 14:25 GMT (UK)
Hi

As it is mentioned in my previous posting I'll place it in full here - this is the situation I found when I checked the Ancestry website in December 2009. The check was only done for marriages (Ancestry London parish records - marriages 1754-1921) and only for the square mile of the City of London parishes and not Middlesex or metropolitan Surrey and Kent. The date given is the starting date of the registers so far covered in the drop down section of 'Browse the collection'

All Hallows Barking not deposited
All Hallows Honey Lane 1818 and then missing years
All Hallows the Great starts in 1754 but then skips to 1799 and proceeds on from there
All Hallows the Less not there
Barnard's Inn not deposited?
Bridewell chapel 1757 with some missing years thereafter
Christchurch Newgate 1758 then 1778 but starts properly in 1801
Furnival's Inn not deposited?
Holy Trinity the Less 1755

Not quite sure what St Faith Stoke Newington (Hackney) was doing in the City list
or Saint Michael and All Angels Bedford Park (Chiswick)

Holy Trinity Minories (found under Stepney) full coverage

Lamb Chapel missing
Precinct of Whitefriars not deposited?
St Andrew Hubbard 1813
St Ann  Blackfriars 1813
St Bartholomew by the Exchange 1813
St Bartholomew the Less 1807
St Botolph Billingsgate 1780
St Faith under St Pauls 1813
St Gabriel Fenchurch 1814
St John the Baptist missing
St John the Evangelist Friday Street 1906
St John Zachary 1755
St Lawrence Pountney missing
St Leonard Eastcheap missing
St Leonard Foster Lane 1800
St Margaret Fish Hill Street missing
St Margaret Moses 1813
St Martin Orgar missing
St Martin Pomary missing
St Martin Vintry 1813
St Mary Aldermansbury is there in full but mispelt as Aldermanbury
St Mary Colechurch missing
St Mary Magdalene Milk Street missing
St Mary Mountshaw is there in full but mispelt as Mounthaw
St Mary Staining 1813
St Mary Woolchurch Haw 1814
St Matthew Friday Street  1800
St Michael Bassishaw 1755 and then full start from 1758
St Michael Le Querne 1803
St Nicholas Acorns 1813
St Nicholas Cole Abbey 1755
St Nicholas Olave 1813
St Olave Silver Street 1800
St Pancras Soper Lane 1818
St Paul's Cathedral missing
Sr Paul's Wharf only 1828 and 1834
St Peter Westcheap 1814
St Stephen Walbrook 1804
St Thomas the Apostle 1813
Serjeants Inn not deposited?
Staple Inn not deposited?
Thavia's Inn not deposited?
The Temple not deposited?


In fairness to Ancestry as Dawn says this is a massive undertaking on a scale its doubtful that has ever been tackled before.



Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 16 January 10 15:08 GMT (UK)
If my opinion is worth anything I think the LMA have done a brilliant job so far.

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Saturday 16 January 10 20:03 GMT (UK)
I agree. I've just made another breakthrough based on what's up there. It's just frustrating when you want to help and they don't want to know.

It's like a library - a mis-shelved book is a lost book and when I come across a mis-shelved book I ALWAYS put it back on the sorting shelves.

Sue :-\   (Perfectionist)
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Saturday 16 January 10 20:25 GMT (UK)
Another issue for the warning list.

Many of the entries for Christ Church, Watney Street, St George in the East have been indexed twice. One set of records (i.e. the database entries) is correct. The other set shows the church as St George in the East (though the citations are correct).

Sue
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Saturday 16 January 10 23:06 GMT (UK)
I've found no registers for Deptford St Paul, although Deptford St Nicholas is there.  Phillimore's Atlas of Parish Registers does say the originals are at the LMA so I'm assuming will eventually get added.
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: cockneykid on Monday 18 January 10 13:43 GMT (UK)
Saint Paul Deptford is definately on there. If you browse by borough and look under Lewisham you will find it. St Nicholas Deptford is in the borough of Greenwich, so this might be the cause of the problem.
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Tuesday 19 January 10 01:35 GMT (UK)
Saint Paul Deptford is definately on there. If you browse by borough and look under Lewisham you will find it. St Nicholas Deptford is in the borough of Greenwich, so this might be the cause of the problem.

Hi Cockneykid, thanks, I'd missed that Deptford St Paul came under Lewisham rather than Greenwhich even when I checked in Phillimore's Atlas.

However, the post-1813 burials for Deptford St Paul aren't on there since Lewisham only lists Christchurch, St Mary and Lee St Peter.  Unfortunately its actually the burials post 1813 I was looking for so I'll have to wait for them to be added. >:(
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: cockneykid on Wednesday 20 January 10 10:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Smudwhisk

Apparently LMA only holds burials for St Paul Deptford up to 1788, so they will be located in the currently unindexed section of records that have been put up

After this date they are actually held down at Lewisham Local Studies Library, so you will need to contact them instead

Cockneykid
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Thursday 21 January 10 22:23 GMT (UK)
Apparently LMA only holds burials for St Paul Deptford up to 1788, so they will be located in the currently unindexed section of records that have been put up

After this date they are actually held down at Lewisham Local Studies Library, so you will need to contact them instead
Cockneykid

Hi Cockneykid

Ah, that would explain why they are missing.  I've ordered a copy of the NW Kent FHS transcript for the burials to see if my theory on my missing Easterby's is correct ... hopefully ...
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Ros50 on Sunday 24 January 10 20:48 GMT (UK)
Hi All

Thanks to Dawn and Vanda for putting this up.  I've likewise noticed several vicars with the first name Rev and surname Clerk ...

I couldn't find the St Sepulchre's baptisms 1787-1808 either, but I'm glad to have the news that some of the missing bits from St Luke Old Street may be found under St Luke Milwall.

I've noticed some gaps in St Mary Whitechapel: baptisms 1733-August 1739 - present on IGI - and marriages prior to 1754 (not on IGI). 

There are also bits missing from the supposedly indexed era.  Burials in St Matthew Bethnal Green for 1834, for example, consist of one page, which doesn't happen to be August when my ancestor James Brewley was buried there, though other family researchers have a photocopy of the entry, so I know it exists.  Likewise a marriage entry from IGI which I wanted to check in St Botolph Aldgate in 1787 came to nothing: there are no marriage images browsable for that parish and year.

It's been an enormous undertaking, and I don't want to belittle what LMA and Ancestry have made available so far: it's hugely helpful.  However the database - even the indexed section - is far from complete.  I do hope the missing pieces will eventually appear.

Best Wishes
Ros
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Friday 12 February 10 21:22 GMT (UK)
Ancestry have just done an update.

The St Luke Old Street/St Luke Milwall mix up seems to have been fixed.
The mislinks for St John of Wapping have been fixed.
The databasing of Christ Church Watney St as St George in the East has been removed.

The missing bits of otherwise scanned parishes are still missing.
Looks like they are concentrating on fixing what is already up.

Hopefully the Ancestry or LMA people are looking at these pages and taking note.  ;D

Sue :D
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Eyesee on Friday 12 February 10 21:48 GMT (UK)
St Sepulchre baptisms 1787-1808 are still missing though.

Ian C
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Friday 12 February 10 22:41 GMT (UK)
Enfield St Andrew 1729 to 1769 is still missing ..

unfortunately as its the register I need to look at!
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Friday 12 February 10 23:39 GMT (UK)
I've had a reply on a thread actually on Ancestry about this issue. The lady (Ann Sargeant) pointed out that Cliff Webb at the West Surrey FHS is in the process of expanding his free online research aids to London Parishes to include the Ancestry databases. The link is:
http://www.wsfhs.org/ResearchAids.htm
And the relevant research aids are 49, 50 and 51 of which 49 is now completed and uploaded.
This is a beautiful piece of work in progress and a good guide to what SHOULD be up there. Many thanks to Cliff Webb.

Sue :)
PS I have a applied to set up a specific message board for this topic on Ancestry. See how they react to that.
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: neanie2 on Sunday 30 May 10 14:08 BST (UK)
Hi all,
Am I going nuts or in St Anne Soho the only year that appears to be missing from Ancestry is the marriages in 1812 - the one that could resolve a long held difference of opinion....! Am i looking right at it? Or is it hidden somewhere else?
Thanks
Janine
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 30 May 10 14:22 BST (UK)
Hi Janine

The records for St Anne Soho are taken from the Bishops Transcripts at the London Metropolitan Archives. These are the records of the Diocese of London. The original registers are deposited at the City of Westminster Archives and not part of the LMA project.

I've had a look at the LMA catalogue and there's a gap so yes, they are missing along with 1811.

Dawn

Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: neanie2 on Monday 31 May 10 12:13 BST (UK)
Thanks for your reply. So would I be correct in thinking that the parish registers would be available for those missing years at the Westminster archives?

And  second question... so are the LMA marriage records from a variety of sources, or are they all from the Bishops transcripts?
Thanks ( and i will now go and have a proper look at the catalogues)
Janine
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 31 May 10 15:30 BST (UK)
Hi Janine

The Anglican parish registers transcriptions are taken from the actual parish registers which are deposited for safe keeping at the London Metropolitan Archives.

Until recently, the Westminster parishes listed at the top of this topic were not included, but as the Bishops Transcripts are deposited at the LMA (the official depository for the Bishop of London), some of these are now included.

The missing years, if they survive, can be consulted, usually on microfilm to preserve the originals, at the City of Westminster Archives.

Some non-conformist records are now online also.

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1906

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 18 August 10 18:55 BST (UK)
Hi

The London boroughs of Barking,  Newham, Redbridge and Waltham Forest officially became part of Greater London only in 1965. Before that those areas now covered by the four London boroughs were part of the county of Essex.

The family history society which covers the East End of London is the 'East of London Family History Society'. They have produced information on their website on the whereabouts of parish registers in the area.


http://www.eolfhs.org.uk/area/parishes/


Generally if it is Hackney and Tower Hamlets the parish registers are held at the LMA and therefore covered by Ancestry and if its parishes in the four London boroughs previously mentioned, they are held either with the local boroughs archives or at Essex Record Office if they are in fact deposited. If the registers are held at Essex RO then the local borough archives may hold microfilmed copies and indexes.

Parishes concerned in the four London boroughs would be these from the East of London FHS list

Aldborough, Barking, Barkingside, Becontree, Canning Town, Chadwell Heath, Chigwell, Cranham, Dagenham, East Ham, Forest Gate, Goodmayes, Havering, Hornchurch, Ilford, Little Ilford, North Woolwich (part), Plaistow, Rainham, Romford, Seven Kings, Stratford, Upminster, Upton Park, Victoria Dock, Wanstead, Wennington, West Ham, Woodford.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Beth42 on Saturday 09 April 11 04:51 BST (UK)
Holy Trinity, Clapham, Surrey Baptisms in 1825 - LMA/Ancestry
There are two pages (36 and 37) missing from the Clapham Parish Register of Baptisms in 1825 containing 16 baptism entries - No.281 to No.296.

Go to "Birth, Baptism & Christening - London, England, Births and Baptisms 1813-1906"

Browse                            - Borough `Lambeth'
Parish or Poor Law Union   -`Holy Trinity Clapham'
Year                                 - 1825
When the image opens on the top right of the screen there are `Images 1 of 19' GO and arrows.
If you go to image 13, Baptism Register pages 34 and 35 are displayed and the last entry on the page 35 is No.280 (lower left corner) for a baptism that took place on 4th September 1825.

When you go to image 14, Baptism Register pages 38 and 39 are viewable and the first entry on the pages is No. 297 for a baptism that took place on 2nd October 1825 - so 16 baptisms are not there (transcripts are on FamilySearch however).


Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 10 April 11 22:46 BST (UK)
Thanks for this info Beth, I'll pass it on to the LMA.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Lynn36 on Wednesday 20 April 11 09:03 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'm looking for a marriage which Pallots indexes at Christchurch Newgate in 1837.  I've looked through the images of the Christchurch marriage register on Ancestry and they seem to start in July 1837.  Has anyone found the images for Jan-Jun 1837 on Ancestry?  Does anyone know for sure if they even still exist?

Lynn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 20 April 11 13:21 BST (UK)
Hi Lynn

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

They don't appear to be online, the old style register for 1836 is there, but no old style register for the first months of 1837 before civil registration started.

I'll pass this on to the LMA, but if I'm there I'll see what they have.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Lynn36 on Thursday 21 April 11 00:03 BST (UK)
Thanks Dawn.  I'm relieved to know it wasn't me!  Would it be sensible for me to post a lookup request with the details in case other researchers are able to help?

I also had a problem with the images of the baptism registers for St Andrew Holborn in 1802.  When you try to browse through them straight from the Ancestry card catalogue you get the Burial register.  The baptism register is there though as I found the record I wanted from a name search. 

Regards,
Lynn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 21 April 11 12:52 BST (UK)
Hi Lynn

Please start a new request on the London & Middlesex Look-up request board.

I'm sure someone will be able to help you out.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Ros50 on Friday 06 May 11 18:57 BST (UK)
Hi All

Has anyone else noticed that there's a mix-up in the recently-indexed parts of the Ancestry London Parishes database - the records up to 1812 - between St Botolph ALDGATE and St Botolph ALDERSGATE?  I was looking at a record which claimed to be ALDERSGATE the other night and all the addresses were Hounsditch, Minories, etc.  It was clearly ALDGATE.  Where the original register and the neat copy have both been indexed, you can often find the same baptism or burial apparently taking place at both churches on the same day! 

Unfortunately the name of the parish often isn't given at the top of each page, and the front page of the book I was looking at (where it would say which parish it was) hadn't been included in the on-line images, so I couldn't just go to image 1 to sort it out.  Fortunately it was a page where the addresses were given - they aren't always - and I have a London map. 

This is quite a serious blooper, cos Aldgate and Aldersgate aren't close to each other, and the implications for finding an ancestor in Aldgate are quite different from finding one in Aldersgate.  Ancestry really needs to double-check all their Aldgate and Aldersgate designations. 

Ros
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Valda on Thursday 09 June 11 08:40 BST (UK)
Hi


Not the easiest LMA leaflets to find (either via the LMA or Ancestry) but extremely useful

The London Metropolitan Archives Guide for Ancestry users

A to Z of London parishes

By current London borough

https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/family-history/Pages/london-generations.aspx

All the parishes listed and whether they are or are not on Ancestry.




Anything else found on Ancestry in the London parish register collection will be Bishops Transcripts held by the LMA not the actual registers. A useful second resource would be a list of them.



Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Thursday 09 June 11 21:51 BST (UK)
Sadly, while the LMA leaflet Valda kindly posted claims they are all on ancestry, I can't find the register for St Andrews Enfield covering the period between 1729 and 1769.  This has been missing since the original upload and is frustrating since I know the LMA have the register on film anyway 'cos I've looked at it previously there.   It doesn't appear to be tagged onto the end of other images either as none of the entries I know of appear in the index.

Is there anyway of raising this up to their attention?

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 09 June 11 22:31 BST (UK)
Hi Nicola

I know the LMA has a list of missing and mis-indexed parish registers that are in the process of being rectified.

I will ask whether this is on the list and if not can it be added.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Thursday 09 June 11 22:44 BST (UK)
Hi Dawn

Thanks.  It's been frustrating my research on that line since I came across some new info after my last visit to the LMA and due to health issues, haven't been able to get back down there again since to check it out ::)

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Eyesee on Friday 10 June 11 02:20 BST (UK)
Dawn

Another parish that has missing years is St Sepulchre, Holborn. The years 1787-1808 for baptisms are missing from Ancestry BMB 1583-1812. They must be around somewhere as some of the names I am looking for do show up on Familysearch.

Ian C
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Britgirl on Tuesday 14 June 11 21:26 BST (UK)
Hi Ian, that would explain why I thought I was going crazy last night trying to find some St Sepulchre baptisms from the 1790s on Ancestry, that I'd previously found on the IGI!!

Especially as I knew I'd seen other records from St Sepulchre on Ancestry, and had then found Valda's PDF link, stating that the records were on Ancestry, whilst trying to figure it all out!  ::)

London research is difficult enough without this added hurdle!
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Tuesday 05 July 11 01:14 BST (UK)
Unless I'm going completely mad, I can't find any burials for Lambeth St Mary covering the periods 1787-1812, just four registers of baptisms that seem to duplicate the time periods.  I've not checked any of the earlier ones to see how far this goes back.  I haven't been through them completely but chosen random pages across each of the registers and everyone was a baptism.  I wouldn't have though they would have had composite registers that late in that parish anyway.

Just typical when I come across an interesting burial reference on new familysearch that I'd like to see if an age was listed with ::)

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 05 July 11 08:14 BST (UK)
Hi


Definitely there at the back in the 1788-1798 volume (with handwritten index). The Ancestry index brings up burials between 1788- 1797 - nothing beyond between 1798-1812. The period pre 1776 appears to be missing on the Ancestry index but may just not be indexed yet - didn't check the register images. 1741 is indexed as is the period pre 1719.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Tuesday 05 July 11 20:00 BST (UK)
OK I'll revise my winge about them. ;D  Valda is correct that there are burials amongst the 1788-1798 register but they are mixed in with baptisms and when I selected a few random pages I did end up on baptisms only.  I wasn't looking just at the index, but going through the actual registers as nothing came up on the index for what I was after.

However, the index is showing, for eg., 1810 burials yet they are actually linked to 1710 images.  So far I can find no post 1798 burials and I was looking for one in 1811.  I've had a quick trawl through both registers for the later period and at present I can only find baptisms, don't have the time to open all 282 pages in one of the registers to see if they are hidden in the middle, although to be honest it's quite likely they are not as it is a very large parish and 282 pages of baptisms for 20 years is probably not unreasonable compared to others I have been through manually

If someone knows where the 1811 burials are, I'd be grateful but I don't think the register has been uploaded ..... ::)

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: taylorwallace on Friday 02 September 11 20:45 BST (UK)
Very helpful particularly re the Westminster parishes im my case as I am sure that's where some of my gaps occur.
taylor wallace
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Sunday 11 September 11 07:11 BST (UK)
Another oddity (or oversight) in the Ancestry indexing/uploading:
Christ Church Spitalfields Marriages 1729-54

According to the LMA catalogue CC Spitalfields ran a separate register of marriages from foundation (1729) to 1761. (P93/CTC1/013 Register of marriages Jul 1729-Sep 1761). When Hardwicke's Act came into force (Mar 1754) they didn't start a new register, they just changed from one line entries to handwriteen Hardwicke entries.

The last 8 pages of this register have been indexed and the images uploaded by Ancestry in the London England Marriages & Banns 1754-1921 database. The pages from 1729 to 1754 seem to have been overlooked in the London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Section. Oooops.

Is there anyway of letting them know?

Sue
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: taylorwallace on Sunday 11 September 11 08:43 BST (UK)
With regard to missing Westminster parishes from the LMA, I went to Westminster Archives last week in the search for missing records but many of the parishes which appear on your helpful list do not seem to have a dedicated index; the index just appears to be "indexed on IGI" so I think it will mean looking at each film to search for errors. Is this correct?
taylor wallace
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: Valda on Sunday 11 September 11 09:40 BST (UK)
Hi Taylor Wallace


Not sure I'm clear by what you mean

'I think it will mean looking at each film to search for errors.'

Westminster parishes in general aren't held at the LMA. It is the LMA and Guildhall Library who have the deal with Ancestry, not Westminster archives or any other London borough, as some of them also have parish registers deposited with them e.g. St Paul Hammersmith with Hammersmith and Fulham Archives, though Westminster archives is the major holder of parish registers not found on Ancestry. The Westminster parishes the LMA hold (besides parishes like Marylebone which only became part of the London borough of Westminster in 1965, if you go through the list given you'll see others) are copies - the Bishops Transcripts (yearly copies sent to the Bishop - not always done, not without errors or copied fully, not always survived - so usually only a short run in the C19th surviving). The BTs held at the LMA are on Ancestry nothing else for these parishes since the actual registers are at Westminster archives.

Some of the parishes held at Westminster archives have been indexed by the IGI others have not.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: taylorwallace on Sunday 11 September 11 10:20 BST (UK)
Thanks for clarifying, Valda. I suppose it comes down to always looking at the original register copies rather than transcripts or indexes from whatever source even though I am sure we have all benefitted from the advances made through the LMA/Ancestry link.
tw
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Monday 26 September 11 17:32 BST (UK)
As far as I can see Bethnal Green St Matthew baptisms are missing on ancestry from after 12 Feb 1843 until 21 May 1854.  That's from looking at the originals NOT just the index.  There is a baptism on the IGI which I've looked at in the original register previously at the LMA for 1848 which doesn't appear at all suggesting they are probably missing rather than just mis-indexed.  ::)

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 26 September 11 18:22 BST (UK)
They are missing and have been since the beginning and the LMA do know.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Monday 26 September 11 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Dawn

Thanks.  I'd had quick look through this post to see if they had been raised but couldn't see anything.

Would be nice of ancestry pulled their finger out and sorted out the missing registers for the London collection instead of concentrating on everything else. ::)

Nicola
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: suelaw1954 on Monday 14 November 11 11:51 GMT (UK)
LMA & Ancestry are slowly getting there.

There's just been another update to the London Baptisms 1813-1901. One of the missing sections I reported is now uploaded and indexed:
St Giles Cripplegate, Baptisms, 1834-1850

Other problems may have been fixed too.

Whoopeee!

Sue  :)
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: smudwhisk on Monday 14 November 11 11:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Sue, thanks for the heads up, sadly the 40 years of Enfield St Andrew between 1729 and 1769 are still showing as missing.  Perhaps one of these days they'll get round to doing it. >:(
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: kerryb on Monday 14 November 11 12:04 GMT (UK)
thanks Sue for the information.  That may just answer some questions for me!

Kerryb  :D
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: alison300 on Tuesday 15 November 11 21:03 GMT (UK)
How do I know when a particular Parish and/or date has been uploaded on Ancestry.  Does it list them on their site and if so, where please?
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: dawnsh on Tuesday 15 November 11 21:13 GMT (UK)
Can you access this link?

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/grouplist.aspx?group=epr#databases

If you can, scroll down the list to see what's currently included.

You will most probably have to go into each one you're interested in to find the lst of parishes.

Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: alison300 on Tuesday 15 November 11 21:38 GMT (UK)
Got it - thanks Dawn
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: gothitjulie on Tuesday 29 November 11 00:25 GMT (UK)
St Leonard Shoreditch, missing baptism images between 2 Dec 1848 and 23 Apr 1848 as far as I can tell.

Ah, found the images tacked onto the end of the year.
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: bugbear on Friday 31 January 14 13:24 GMT (UK)
The Haggerston St Mary marriage records are missing 1856,1857,1858,1859,1860,1861.

 BugBear
Title: Re: ***LMA/Ancestry "Missing" Parishes***
Post by: WilliamsKingBinns on Friday 23 February 18 22:48 GMT (UK)
Can't see these missing records flagged anywhere so thought I'd post on here in case it's helpful for anyone.

In my search on Ancestry for some Williams baptisms at St Matthew Newington c 1880s, I found that the following image pages (and accompanying transcriptions) are missing:

Set: 1864-1884
40-41
48-49
54-55
70-71
78-79
82-83
92-93
98-99
102-103
112-113
118-119
124-125
134-135
146-147
154-155
158-159
168-169
176-177

Set: 1884 - 1898
4-5
10-11
14-15
22-23
26-27
32-33