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Title: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: Blue-Spirit on Wednesday 16 March 05 08:37 GMT (UK)

In search for Emma Rouse, 1891 census, possibly Colchester area.
Would be grateful for any findings.

Thank you...

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: alley on Wednesday 16 March 05 10:08 GMT (UK)

Hi tony

there is only one emma in colchester st peter aged 3.
father james 37mother emily 36
is this the right one

there are another 7 emma's in essex

regards

alan

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: Blue-Spirit on Wednesday 16 March 05 16:00 GMT (UK)

Hello Dorris;
Thank you for your help. This may well be, however a birth certificate has turned up, and details as follows.
Emma Rouse, bn 1888, Father John  Rouse, Mother Emily Rouse.
address, East Street, St James, Colchester.

Age matches, Mother matches,  But the rest does not fit.
Have you any details on the rest,  if any might fit into the above.

Thank s
Kind Regards..............

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Wednesday 16 March 05 16:29 GMT (UK)

Do you have an occupation for the father (from the birth cert)?

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Wednesday 16 March 05 16:39 GMT (UK)

I'd guess this is the right family as they seem to be these ones listed in 1881, but with the father name John.

 Household:

 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 John ROUSE   Head   M   Male   27   Colchester St James   Labourer To Bricklayer     
 Emily ROUSE   Wife   M   Female   26   Boxted, Essex, England       
 Florence L. ROUSE   Daur      Female   4   Colchester St Marton       
 George S. ROUSE   Son      Male   1   Colchester St Marton       

  Dwelling   Greenstead Rd
  Census Place Greenstead, Essex, England
  RG11
  Piece / Folio   1793 / 69
  Page Number   6
 

I'll post up the full 1891 details in a minute

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Wednesday 16 March 05 16:48 GMT (UK)

6 Gospel Hall Yd

Civil parish:    St Peter 
Ecclesiastical parish:    St Peter 
Town:Colchester
County:    Essex 
RG12/1410
Registration district:    Colchester 
Sub registration district:    Colchester Second Ward 
ED, institution, or vessel:    8 
Folio:    5 
Page:    2 


James Rouse, Head, mar, 37, Fish Hawker, Colchester St botolph, Deaf
Emily, 36 mar, machinist, Boxted Essex
Florence, dau, 14 scholar, Colchester St Marton
George Ths, son,12, scholar, Colchester St Marton
Ethel E, dau,10, scholar, Colchester St James
Emily, dau, 7, Colchester St James
John, son, 4, scholar, Colchester St Botolph
Mabel A, dau, 6ms, Colchester St James
Emma, dau, 3, Colchester St Peter

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: Blue-Spirit on Wednesday 16 March 05 17:09 GMT (UK)

Hi ec;
I will digest your finding a little more, but just wanted to get the following here;

Father John Rouse, Occupation FISH HAWKER, what ever that may be?

I also notice that under where and when bn, " East Street,St James, USD."

Thanks for your help.

Tony

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Wednesday 16 March 05 17:16 GMT (UK)

Looks like the right family then.  What happened to them after 1891 - cant find them in 1901 ???

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Wednesday 16 March 05 17:33 GMT (UK)

I lied - 1901 they are transcribed as Ronse

They certainly had a fair few children

Looks like George is married to Florrie

John Rouse, Head, mar, 46, Fruiterer?, not known, Deaf
Emily, 45, mar,  Boxted Essex
George, son, 21, mar,  bricklayers labourer, Colchester
Emily, dau,18, Tailoress,Colchester
John, son, 15, boot packer?, Colchester
Emma, dau, 13, Colchester
Mabel A, dau, 10, Colchester
Grace, dau, 9, Colchester   
Percy, son, 6, Colchester
David, son, 2   Colchester
Florrie, dau in law, mar, 19, Langham Essex
George, grandson , 11ms, Colchester

Colchester 
Ecclesiatical parish:    St Peter 
County/Island:    Essex 
RG13/1709
Registration district:    Colchester 
Sub-registration district:    Colchester, Second Ward 
ED, institution, or vessel:    11 
Folio:    64 
Page:    25

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: Blue-Spirit on Wednesday 16 March 05 18:46 GMT (UK)

ec;
Great, thanks for the details, looks as though, Emily married twice, but , as we now have James as a Fish Hawker.
Any ideas what a Fish Hawker is?.

Thanks once again, will have to work on this more, at least it place's them..

..................May the wind always be at your back........................

Regards........

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: ec on Thursday 17 March 05 08:13 GMT (UK)

Hi Tony B

I think James and John are the same person - not two different marriages.  If you notice in 1891 he is called James, is a Fish Hawker and is Deaf and in 1901 he is called John and is Deaf.  It was not unusual for someone to change their first/middle names around.  I have one who on some docs is Frederick and some George - he was actually Frederick George - seems to have been quite common at the time.

Fish Hawker - I'm guessing but I would imagine a fishmonger without a shop.  Sold to people in the street/visited their houses.

Hope this helps

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: Blue-Spirit on Thursday 17 March 05 09:06 GMT (UK)

ec;
Thats interesting and does make sense, I too had a simaler issue.
If the birth of James/John was found it may well answer this 100%.

And the Fish Hawker , well done...

Thanks again..

regards Tony....................

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: xtriselx on Friday 25 August 17 14:35 BST (UK)

Hi I am the great grandaughter of Grace Gertrude Rouse from Colchester
I have just begun searching this side of the family so fonding this link is helpful and exciting as it looks like we maybe related
Thanks in advance
Tracey x

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: nannyj on Friday 25 August 17 23:03 BST (UK)

BBC did a programme about life in Victorian slums. a hawker was someone who walked the streets selling things. Very low paid, hand to mouth and existence. Would have been a hard life without regular income.

John rouse aged 20 married Emily leach aged 19 by banns at st James Colchester 25/12/1873. He was a labourer. His father was John also a labourer. Her father was George leach also labourer.

John baptised Colchester 25/12/1854 to John and Rachel. They lived in childwell alley.

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: xtriselx on Saturday 26 August 17 21:40 BST (UK)

WOW!
Thank you for this information , this is amazing
Tracey x

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: nannyj on Sunday 27 August 17 00:51 BST (UK)

If you want more, I'll keep looking 😊
Emily is baptised in langham (near boxted) in 1861, alongside siblings Ellen elisabeth, marianne, Hannah. No ages given. Parents George and Emma leach. He was a labourer.

George leach and Emma eady married boxted 1853. His father Joseph leach labourer. Hers Joseph eady labourer.

I found an Emma eady baptised 18/3/1831 boxted to Charles and Sarah. He was a labourer. Doesn't tie with marriage ... the is with Joseph and Elizabeth on 1841 and 1851 census as daughter, so apart from the year, the baptism doesn't tie up. I notice that Joseph and elisabeth are born in nayland and Suffolk and wiston (wissington). These and boxted are on either side of the Essex/Suffolk border. Would be worth posting on the Suffolk board to see if you can go backwards from Joseph. He was born about 1790.

George leach born Sep 1831 but baptised 1832 to Joseph and Eleanor.

Title: Re: Emma Rouse 1891.
Post by: nannyj on Monday 28 August 17 19:15 BST (UK)

Found Joseph leach marrying elisabeth bunner at all saints Colchester 20/9/1814.
Found an ellinor leach as a witness at Philip leach and Mary Wilby's marriage 1820 in myland st michael's. By licence, with consent of parents, so one or both were minors. It says Philip was of boxted, which is where Joseph leach says he was born. St michaels is where ellinor says she was born on the census in 1851. Am assuming this is your ellinor leach.

However, cannot find a marriage for Jospeh and Eleanor. have checked all of the Colchester parishes, Lexden, ardleigh, boxted, Langley, thorrington, Dedham, high wood. West bergholt. Unless it was at nayland or wissington, which is Sussex?

I did find a death for an elisabeth leach aged 33 but if course I didn't write down where. I know it was around 1820 though.