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My new Dell Studio XPS 16[ 4GB Ram; 500GB HD] has Win7 preinstalled. From my terminally ill Win XP pc I've transfered my data satisfactorily and installed FTM2010 because FTM2006 is not Win7 compatible.
However Win7 has not much appeal to me & as well as this, there are 2 specific reasons I want to go back to WinXP:- I could use my FTM2006 which is far better than FTM2010 [FTM 2010 is a lemon] and also I could continue using Outlook Express where all my family history emails are categorized . FYI Win 7 has no email program as part of it.
In trying to do this would I be asking for trouble? I'm not a techie. If it's feasible, how would I go about this please?
From my old pc I have various CDs including:- ... Reinstallation Microsoft WindowsXP Home Edition including Service Pack 1a, Win XP Service Pack 2, Dell Dimension Resource CD-Drivers,Diagnostics, Computer Documentation.
Comments, guidance, help very much appreciated ;D
Thank you,
charlotte
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My new Dell Studio XPS 16[ 4GB Ram; 500GB HD] has Win7 preinstalled. From my terminally ill Win XP pc I've transfered my data satisfactorily and installed FTM2010 because FTM2006 is not Win7 compatible.
However Win7 has not much appeal to me & as well as this, there are 2 specific reasons I want to go back to WinXP:- I could use my FTM2006 which is far better than FTM2010 [FTM 2010 is a lemon] and also I could continue using Outlook Express where all my family history emails are categorized . FYI Win 7 has no email program as part of it.
In trying to do this would I be asking for trouble? I'm not a techie. If it's feasible, how would I go about this please?
From my old pc I have various CDs including:- ... Reinstallation Microsoft WindowsXP Home Edition including Service Pack 1a, Win XP Service Pack 2, Dell Dimension Resource CD-Drivers,Diagnostics, Computer Documentation.
Comments, guidance, help very much appreciated ;D
Thank you,
charlotte
You may find you have problems installing XP.
First could be with XP itself, if the "reinstallation" disk is one which came with your previous computer it is possible it is not compatible with the new computer.
These OEM programs are often tailored for specific hardware.
If it is simply a Microsoft Windows XP operating system then it should install.
There may be problems with drivers not being available for XP. If the new motherboard has new display and/or sound circuits built in these may have to be disabled and a display card and/or a sound card added.
You may find it is easier to simply install Outlook Express or better still Thunderbird (less venerable to attack) for your email.
Have you tried running Windows 7 in compatibility mode, then installing FTM 2006?
Have you tried changing the display to a classic look?
Cheers
Guy
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Hi Charlotte,
I wouldn't even be considering it.
Give Window 7 a chance, it really is excellent.
I have no doubt that it would also negate your Dell warranty.
I have used Incredimail for many years. It's free and easy to use. www.incredimail.com
Jamjar
P.S. Discs are machine and model specific. PC and notebooks are very different systems, so you wouldn't use PC discs on a notebook.
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FTM 2006 will work on the 32 bit Windows 7.
You have to download the same patch that was brought out for Vista.
Christine
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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/So-long-Outlook-Express-Introducing-Windows-Live-Mail
Jamjar
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http://past.familytreemaker.com/vistaupdate/
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OEM versions of Windows (these are versions that come with computers, and which are on CD's bearing the computer manufacturer's name) are not transferrable to other machines. Even if you managed to get Windows XP installed on the new computer, you would probably not be able to register it.
If you are looking for backwards compatability on a new PC, it's important that you choose a version of Windows 7 that has XP Compatability mode and those are the Professional and Ultimate Editions. You may be able to get a Microsoft upgrade to these.
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Thanks for your replies.
Christine, I'm running a 64 bit Win7 so your idea deoesn't seem to be appliable :(
Jamjar... Thanks for the links to the win mail but one of my very significant reasons is that in OE I have 15 yrs of family history emails with NB info filed there in Inbox folders.
Guy, Thank you for the explanations as to why my idea is no good-it's a help to understand the reasons. may I ask two questins please?
Can you tell me how to run Win7 in compatability mode? Where do I find this? If I do this can I then just install FTM2006 from the CD?
Second, how do I change the display to a classic look please?
Thank you again for your help.
charlotte
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Nick29, Thanks for your help.
Home Premium [64 bit] is the version on my laptop... so it looks as if finding a way to use FTM2006 is not a goer.
I'll look on the web and see if there is an upgrade offered by Microsoft.
Thanks,
a miserable charlotte
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Hi Charlotte :)
As an interested party, I'm sure there's a way around it.
Have a look at this message:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,416396.msg2923242.html#msg2923242
Maybe PM Falkyrn if he doesn't see this thread.
Gadget
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Charlotte,
What version of Windows 7 are you running, ie. Home Premium, Professional or Ultimate.
I have HP and Ultimate and as far as I can see no Classic View. I think it may have gone down the toilet with Vista.
I can tell you for sure that HP doesn't have compatible as I can't play my DVD computer games on the PC, they do work on the notebook, though.
There must be a way of opening your emails, as they would have been transferred to your computer.
Are you in Oz or UK Charlotte?
Jamjar
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Thanks Gadget for the link :)
Is Falkryn implying that he ran older programs on Win7 Home premium32 bit and when he changed to a 64 bit version[which is what I have ::)] he struck trouble?
As far as I can see Microsoft doesn't sell an upgrade from Win7 Home Premium to Professional or Ultimate.
charlotte
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Hi Jamjar,
I'm on Win7HP.
I'm in Oz.
charlotte
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I just had a look within my Incredimail program and it has an Import function wihich allows for the copying of email from other programs.
Now, Outlook Express isn't list as I have never used it, so no files were copied when I upgraded. Your's may show. I'm sure the other email clients mentioned will have the same feature. It would be worth a try.
Alternatively, find a friend who can open your emails on their computer and then copy the emails from there.
As an aside, I copy all important emails to relevent folders within my documents.
I think you may just be in panic mode. I was the same when I went from ME to XP to Vista. It was all too new and I thought I couldn't do it. You will, just give it a week and explore. If your emails are saved, they won't run away and you will be able to access them.
Jamjar
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PM coming, Charlotte.
Jamjar
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Hi Charlotte :)
I've just heard that my Studio 17 has been shipped and I should get it within 4 days!
It has W7 Professional on it so I'm hoping that I won't have too many compatibility problems. I use web-mail and Family Historian so, again, hoping that all will go well.
I'll try the classic desktop though and share any of my probs/solutions with you.
Gadget
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That's excellent news,Gadget ;D
I should have gone for Win7 Pro... silly me.
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Is Falkryn implying that he ran older programs on Win7 Home premium32 bit and when he changed to a 64 bit version[which is what I have Roll Eyes] he struck trouble?
Many of my older programs - sourced from FH societies have installed and run without any problems on W7 64 bit version - the only program which does cause problems is the viewing program for the 1881 census and BVRi discs - that steadfasly refuses to run in the 64 bit environment.
To install your program using compatibility and administrator functions right click on the set up program before running it - select properties and then campatibility - set the program to install with XP compatibility and run as administrator
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I've tried that and no joy I'm afraid. I've just emailed the LDS support folk to try to get an answer.
Den
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I asked recently as I have a lot of XP programs incompatable with W7. I wanted to do a dual boot with W7The answer I was given in the shop is that while XP will work OK in these conditions as an operating system many of the peripherals will not work as the machine is tailored for W7. Apparently an answer is to take a Windows Vista machine and upgrade that to W7, XP will then work as it is compatable with Vista. There is always W7 ultimate which has an installed XP version, but I am told it is basic, and think myself that a better solution would be to instal Virtual Box, and then run a virtual version of XPin that.
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The answer I was given in the shop is that while XP will work OK in these conditions as an operating system many of the peripherals will not work as the machine is tailored for W7.
I don't understand that.
I thought that as long as you have the correct drivers for the peripherals and operating system you select when you boot up (under a dual boot system), then they should work.
I won't be offended if someone wants to tells me why this is incorrect.
I have a lot of XP programs incompatable with W7
If everything ran well under XP or Vista then I can't see the point in changing.
Or am I missing something?
I've dual booted several operating systems and I've had no major problems.
I'm sticking with XP/XP because Win 7 doesn't support my soundcard, and XP does everything I need.
8) :)
'Hat.
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Why o Why so many changes is it just for them to make money.............. I just had to get new pc and it came with Win 7... I didnt want that... it took two days to sort the classic view etc etc but as stated No outlook express... extremely annoying.. the reason I was given is down to money as I use Virgin they want us to access theit site for mail and they are not compatible with win 7 outlook express.. I downloaded firefox mail .. but cant cope with the changes.. ... so dumped the whole caboodle and am back on my lovely XP old machine.. OH not happy as brand new extra grapics high speed etc etc is in box in a cupboard............... ho hum....
xin
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the reason I was given is down to money as I use Virgin
Rubbish - Often confused with the far more powerful and completely different Outlook which was part of the Office suite of programs Outlook Express is an old and outdated program which has caused more problems than it ever cured.
Microsoft did however produce a replacement Windows LiveMail for use with Windows 7
http://download.live.com/wlmail
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the reason I was given is down to money as I use Virgin
Rubbish - Often confused with the far more powerful and completely different Outlook which was part of the Office suite of programs Outlook Express is an old and outdated program which has caused more problems than it ever cured.
Microsoft did however produce a replacement Windows LiveMail for use with Windows 7
http://download.live.com/wlmail
Okay rubbish i heard from the pc bloke who installed my sytem so sorry :-[
I who know nothing :-\ :'( ;D
xin
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The response was not aimed at you but at the person who gave you such a ridiculous explanation.
Over the years I have heard sales people come out with absolute tripe trying to push a sale onto an unsuspecting customer - often something they don't really need at all.
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I knew (well hoped) you didnt mean me... I like so many am easily 'persuaded' that these people know so much ... with all that technical jargon...
I will sooooon take my new machine out of its box and study it -- to try and get to grips with it... One day soon.. I dont know why the case has all these flashing blue lights tho' ;)
xin
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Many of my older programs - sourced from FH societies have installed and run without any problems on W7 64 bit version - the only program which does cause problems is the viewing program for the 1881 census and BVRi discs - that steadfasly refuses to run in the 64 bit environment.
To install your program using compatibility and administrator functions right click on the set up program before running it - select properties and then campatibility - set the program to install with XP compatibility and run as administrator
Falkryn,
Thank you for your reply and help. I've tried to install the Family Treemaker 2006 CD as you said but the message comes back that there are drivers missing and there is no solution offered by Microsoft or FTM.
Then I tried to open an earlier FTM version that was moved from my old pc to the Win7 laptop in the transfer of data. A message comes up saying "Program can't start because LTKRNION.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the progam to fix the problem".
Only problem with this is, even if I had that .dll, that I have given away the CD for the earlier version. Can I download from the net the above .dll and if so woud that tart the earlier version that seems to have been transfered? Where would I downlod the .dll to- which folder etc?
If you are able to help me here I'd be most grateful.
charlotte
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There is a very true saying taught to all salespeople "Bull**** baffles brains!". The reason I shall change is that like me my laptop is getting old, and increasingly obsolesent.
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When you copy files from the old machine you didn't actually copy programs. Remember when we said that all programs would have to be re-installed. Think of it in the same way as with not being able to open your outlook files. You have the copied files, but you don't have the program to open the emails. This is the same case with your family tree program.
Once you install the program you can open the file.
I don't believe you can install .dll's and it wouldn't make a difference without the program anyhow.
Hope that all makes some sense, Charlotte.
Jamjar
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Hi XIN,
I had to laugh ;D ;D at the reason you were given:
the reason I was given is down to money as I use Virgin they want us to access theit site for mail and they are not compatible with win 7 outlook express.
I am connected to Telstra ADSL and I use Incredimail as my main email account. I also use the following: Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo accounts. My main browser is Firefox and I use IE8 and Safari. This is all on my one computer. Oh, I also have Vodafone mobile Internet.
So, if your adivsor's theory is correct, then who's making money out of me?
I used Outlook Express and Outlook what seems like decades ago and can't see me ever needing to use it again. I just recalled why I used Outlook, I think. I was living in Qatar and need to send a fax. I think I did so via Outlook.
If you want something easy, that is not unlike OE, then try Incredimail. It is free and if you don't like it, you can uninstall it.
Jamjar
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I know ;D its surprising how easily an old lady can be conned ::) by a sweet looking young mail!!!
I will have a look at incredimail....sounds interesting-
Beginning to consider overwriting win 7 with XP on my flashy new super graphic machine...
dont know if thats poss though...
xin
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Where have I heard this before? ;)
Don't do it. :o
Take time to explore and to get used to it. My class of 7 year olds went from XP to W7 without a blink.
Hardware like your 'super graphics' card most likely won't be compatible with XP.
Should you be tempted, check to see if it will negate your warranty if you do so.
Jamjar
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I understand what you are saying.. and I do want to move forward.. so I will give it time.. oh for the mind of a youngster again..
xin
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Xin,
Yes, I'm in my 50s and the students are much sharper than me when it comes to computers.
I think it's because we look at new things and instantly start comparing that which is new with what we already know and prefer. Children don't do this. They just take what they know and apply it to the new situation, without really realising that it is all different.
I think too that as we get older we approach things with the negative, as we believe that we are too old to learn. Not true, we're never to old to learn.
The fact that we are here asking for advice, shows that deep down we do want to conquer these machines and we more often than not do so. So, just ease into it, play and explore. I really do belive that Window 7 is the best and easiest to use of all the Windows operating systems thus far.
And don't you love the dove and branch? A peace offering, maybe ;D
Jamjar
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After just tackling 'Asda' and all its special offers I am sure I will get there...with Win 7
Thanks for your understanding and help
Xin
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The secret is in using the machine the way you want to work - not by allowing the system to dictate to you how you should work.
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Falkryn,
Thank you for your reply and help. I've tried to install the Family Treemaker 2006 CD as you said but the message comes back that there are drivers missing and there is no solution offered by Microsoft or FTM.
Then I tried to open an earlier FTM version that was moved from my old pc to the Win7 laptop in the transfer of data. A message comes up saying "Program can't start because LTKRNION.dll is missing from your computer. Try reinstalling the progam to fix the problem".
Only problem with this is, even if I had that .dll, that I have given away the CD for the earlier version. Can I download from the net the above .dll and if so woud that tart the earlier version that seems to have been transfered? Where would I downlod the .dll to- which folder etc?
If you are able to help me here I'd be most grateful.
charlotte
Sorry, I missed your post amongst the others.
I find it strange that the set up is reporting drivers missing - that sounds as if the set up program is not running properly.
I've not come across that particular dll file before but strangely if you do a search for it the most common area is to do with the installation of hardware especially scanners.
Unfortunately long distance problem solving is fraught with difficulties - one possibility is to copy everything from your CD to a new folder and try running the set up program from within that folder. Just rememeber that before you run the program right click on it and set the administrator rights and compatibility mode.
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Falkryn,
Thank you for your reply. I attempted to do as you suggested but it's a bit beyond my skill.
If the FTM program 2006 is incompatible with Win7Home Premium, will it also be incompatible with Win7 PRO?
If the answer to that is that PRO version will run earlier FTM versions, could I buy & install WIN7 PRO over Win7 Home premium?
Advice on this will be much appreciated.
Thank you,
charlotte
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HURRAH>>>>HURRAH
Somehow I've managed to open FTM2006 on this laptop... not sure how the miracle occurred but it has ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I ran it as administrator as Falkryn advise and went thru the compatibilty stuff with it telling me it wasn't compat. and then it worked ::) 8)
All the data appears to be there as well asthe program's wonderful uncluttered functionality.
Just hope I can keep opening it thus- at the momrent I've minimized it to the bottom bar for easy access.
Thank you for your patience and help- now to see if Ican do likewise with getting OE working here.
charlotte
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Unfortunately Outlook Express won't work with Windows 7 - it was replaced with Windows Livemail which can be downloaded for free from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=56883de5-2024-4631-806e-757693072a1c&displaylang=en
Although any other email program can be used e.g. Thunderbird
http://en-gb.www.mozillamessaging.com/en-GB/thunderbird/
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Falkryn, Thank you again for that advice.
I downloaded Thunderbird and it has installed my OE folders with all my FH info emails which is wonderful. Still working on the address book but I'm getting there.
Thank you again,
charlotte
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Hi all :)
I'm glad that Charlotte has got everything running and seems happy with Win7 now :)
Had mine for 36 hours now and apart from it going faster (maybe the i7 chip) and a few bits and bobs, I've not noticed much difference from XP Pro (I managed to avoid Vista :D )
I've loaded most of the programs that I need (not FH4, Falkyrn, cos that's on my other machine) and only one prog gave a warning and then Windows said that it had run compatibility and it worked fine :)
Gadget
(The main problem is this darn keyboard on the Studio 17 laptop - it's a full sized keyboard but is shifted slightly to the left compared with my old laptop and nearly everytime I press the left shift key, I hit the \ key instead - \\\ooooooooooo well ;D \\\\\\\\\\\\\)
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Falkryn, Thank you again for that advice.
I downloaded Thunderbird and it has installed my OE folders with all my FH info emails which is wonderful. Still working on the address book but I'm getting there.
Thank you again,
charlotte
Pheww! I'm so pleased for you Charlotte :D
I hated to think of you loosing all that correspondence.
Does anyone know if/how PAF 5.2 runs in Win 7 yet ?
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PAF 5 No problems with it and win 7 ... so far..
xin
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Saved me a job there, xin. I was just about to downloaded it to try out for Genie :)
All my graphics progs have loaded fine - even a very elderly AnimationPro that I use for the gif files :)
Gadget
Just remembered that I have to do Adobe Acrobat - the list is endless ::)
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Thanks Xinia.
Guess that answers my question, Gadget.
I AM relieved ;D ;D ;D
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i know I am taking it very slowly ....
xin