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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: Hpfam on Monday 25 January 10 18:12 GMT (UK)
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David Jones was the occupier of the cwmgwili woollen factory in Abergwili at the time of the 1871 census. Unfortunately his place of birth is only given as Carmarthenshire (c1822)and with a name like David Jones that is not much help. His wife, Letitia was born in Cardiganshire (c1820). I am having great difficulty in locating the family before 1871.
For the 1861 census Ancestry shows a list of enumeration districts for Abergwili in the sequence 12 to 18. District 17 does not appear in the list. Does anyone know if there is a missing district for Abergwili?
Also, does anyone know anything about the factory or where I can go to maybe find more information.
Here's hoping.
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Hi
Looked up 1871 census so thought I would look for David Jones wife unsual name this is a possible match, having said that have just looked up that name on BMD and there are alot but this has good age match and area of birth.
1881 census RG11/5246/28/24
13 victoria rd Bedwelty Monmouthshire.
Lelitia Jones Widow aged 57yrs boarder b carmarthen -washer women
she may well have fallen on hard times keep it as reference until you can prove it wrong.
Hope it helps a little
cheers cardiff ;)
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Thanks for that, I shall look into it. :)
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1871 the factory is in enumeration district no 15 and is enumerated next to Cwmgwili Mansion - home of the local landed proprietor Grismond Phillips. In 1861, enumeration district 15 has the same man in Cwmgwili Palace, so doesn't llok like the district is missing. No sign of the factory in that district in 1861.
Have you tried getting a birth cert for one of the children? Easiest one to trace would be Letitia aged 9 in 1871. If you apply to the local registrars for the birth stating names of parents, they should only issue the cert if correct
registrarsatcarmarthenshire.gov.uk
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Thanks. I had just come to the same conclusion as I am beginning to wonder if David Jones had more than one wife. I will order Letitia's birth cert. and see where I can go from there. :)
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Given his age, quite possible he'd been married before. But I think Letitia would be the daughter of Letitia. Surely too much of a coincidence that he had a daughter of that name with a different wife. The name often turns up as Lettice as well.
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I got letitia's birth certificate ???
born: 26th January 1862 at 'factory cwmgwilly abergwilly'
father: David Jones
mother: Letitia Jones formerly Augustus
father's occupation: wool manufacturer
Still no sign of them in 1861.
Any suggestions?
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Hi
Are these them in 1851 census
H0107 2473/263/7
Upper market st st peters carmarthen
David Reynold Jones b 1818 carmarthen occ iron monger
lititia caroline Jones B 1820 haverfordwest Pem
Marriage Lettice augustus =m= david Jones 3rd qtr 1843 vol26 page 593 district carmarthen
1841 census H0107 1387/1/12/2
Green Hill st peters Carmarthen
Letitia Augustus aged 30 farm servant not born county.
Will keep looking
cheers cardiff
Just looked at 1861 census the above lititia Jones is a widow but still has ironmomgers in Carmarthen and a son george aged 10yrs.
so not your lady
cheers cardiff
I have now loked on 1861 census this is not
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HI
Ok I think I have found them in 1851 but its another factory!
H0107 2482/293/17
Tymair Factory Llangeller newcastle Emlyn cardiganshire
David Jones head b 1822 Llangedyrne carmarthenshire occ Wool carder and spinner
Lettice wife b 1822 Llechryd cardiganshire
Mary Jones Daug b 1848 llangeller
David son b 1851 llangeler
David Davies nephew b 1841 Kilgarran Pem
1 servants 1 spinner and 1 factory worker
cheers cardiff ;)
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Thanks for that. I agree the 1851 record looks good.
So where are they in 1861? I am still thinking they may be on the 'missing' emuneration district 17. I shall try and contact ancestry to see if they can explain the missing record.
If I have them in 1851 and 1871 as well as the birth cert for 1862 maybe I should be happy with that but I do like a full story!
Thanks for all your help.
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Hi
have you thought about sending for lattice and Davids marriage certificate? It may give you a little moe info
cheers cardiff ;)
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I have contacted Ancestry and they are going to look into the 'missing' emuneration district.
The 1851 census says Lettice Augustus/Jones was born in Llechryd, Cardiganshire.
In 1841 there is a Joshuah and Mary Augustus living in Llechryd with a daughter Martha so maybe that is where the Lettice/Letitia name ends or should that be starts? Lettice herself is probably a servant in Llandefeilog, not far from Abergwili.
And so the search goes on.
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Hi
good luck keep us up to date!
cheers cardiff ;)