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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: JamesDMcBust on Wednesday 27 January 10 21:02 GMT (UK)
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I have an Aaron Maddocks b.1854 Breton, Flintshire marrying Mary unknown b.1855 Kinnerton - two children Emma 1875 and Aaron 1876 both born Kinnertonl. Then he marries Catherine Airth b.1858 Cerney Moss, Wrexham - 10 children born from Walter 1885 to Effie 1903 all born Cerney Moss, Wrexham. Can anyone tell me who were the parents of Aaron Maddocks b.1854, the maiden name of his first wife Mary b.1855 and the parents of Catherine Airth?
Regards
James
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There is a marriage on North Wales BMD in 1874 for Aaron Maddocks and Mary Evans at Hope, St.Cynfarch - possibility?
Fairlane
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The first thing to say us I could find no Birth anywhere in Wales for a Catherine Airth.I did though find the Marriage of a Robert Airth and a Catherine Millington at Chester St Oswald in 1881.I also found the Death of a Robert Airth at Chester in 1882 whose Birthyear is given as c 1861.So your perhaps looking for the Parents of a Catherine Millington.I'll be back!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Great - sounds like we have the first wife - Mary Evans. I couldn't find anything on a Catherine Airth either, perhaps Millington could be the answer..... I'll await your next email.
James
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I found living at Cerney in the Parish of Broughton in 1861 a Martha Millington given as born in Broughton on c 1838,given as a Widow.Living with her are a daughter Catherine given as born in Broughton in c 1859 and a son Peter what looks like five months old.RG9/4286/22/37.I also found on North Wales BMD the Marriage of Peter Millington and Martha Davies at Brymbo St Mary in 1858.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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It looks as if Martha was not a Widow on 1861 after all!For I found in the 1871 Census living in the Parish of Bistre Flintshire, a Peter Millington given as born in Hawarden Flintshire in c 1838 and his Wife Martha given as born in Broughton in c 1838.With them are a daughter Elizabeth given as born in Mold in c 1865 and daughter Selina given also as born in Mold in c 1870.RG10/5648/20/32.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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The 1851 Wales census has the following in Bretton Village:
Aaron Maddocks, head, Widower, aged 43, Drover, born Bretton.
Elizabeth Maddocks, mother, widow, aged 87, housekeeper, born Bretton.
They have a family by the name of Youd with them, Thomas Youd, his wife and children. Thomas shown as Lodger.
Reference HO107/2172 Page 668.
I cannot find a census with Aaaron Maddocks junior with them on it. Aaaron Maddocks born 1854 is in Wervin, Cheshire on the 1871.
Given the rather unusual name Aaron and the fact Bretton was a small village, I would think this is his father. Did he remarry before Aaron was born in 1854?
Jo
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A marriage of Aaron Maddocks in June quarter 1851 in Liverpool. I cannot get into BMD to see who he married.
Jo
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Hello James,
Hope marriage Nov 9 1874.
Aaron Maddocks(x) 23. Bachelor. Collier. Abode, Hollybush. Father, Aaron. Occ, Cattle Dealer.
Mary Evans(x) 20. Spinster. Abode, Bridge ????. Father, John. Occ, Collier.
Witnesses. John Williams(x) & Emma Maddocks.
(x)= did not sign made mark.
I couldn't see baptisms for any of their children or Aaron himself :(
I did look for the marriage of Aaron Snr but couldn't find anything in Hope :(
Paul.
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Thanks everyone for your contributions. Great work.
I've had a look on BMDs and find a marriage of Aaron Maddocks in June 1851 Liverpool district Vol 20 Page 356 to either Sarah Bellis, Ann Jones, Sarah Mooney and Caroline Mullagon. But I also found a marriage in March 1847 Liverpool district of a Aaron Maddocks to a Mary Bellis, Mary Bloomfield, Priscilla Roberts or Mary Whitworth. I wondered whether he married Mary Bellis in 1847, she then died (I found a 2 possible death records in Liverpool - March 1848 and Dec 1849, Vol 20 Pages 220 & 436) then he married her sister Sarah Bellis in June 1851. He was listed as a widower in the 1851 census because the census was taken before he got married. Does this sound plausible?
James
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Hello again,
I have tried to find Aaron Maddocks senior in a later census but haven't succeeded as yet. This would give an idea as to which lady he married if this is the same person.
There is a death for an Aaron Maddocks in Great Boughton, Chester in 1863. Bretton would have been in this registration district then. The death certificate might give you some clues, who reported the death and his address etc.
The thing that worries me about the marriage(s) in Liverpool is that Aaron junior was born in Bretton in 1854. It is possible but somehow doesn't look right.
The 1851 census would have been taken prior to the marriage in 1851.
The Bellis name is common in that part of Flintshire even to this day. Had he married locally I would be more inclined to accept this.
What you will need to do is to obtain his (probable) marriage and death certificates and find him in a later census. An alternative would be for someone to look up his burial, if he was still in Bretton then I would expect it to be in Broughton, St Mary.
Jo
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The IGI has an entry for a baptism of Aaron MADOX in Hawarden on 04/10/1808. He was born 29/02/1808, son of Aaron MADOX and Elizabeth REYNOLDS.
The year of birth and the name of his mother fit with the 1851 census entry shown before.
The 2 marriages for an Aaron Maddocks in Liverpool are shown on the IGI too.
Jo
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Lancashire BMD
1847 Aaron Maddocks married Mary Bellis - L'pool Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne
1851 Aaron Maddocks married Sarah Bellis - Liverpool, St. Silas
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It might be an idea to put a post on the Merseyside/Liverpool Board on Roots Chat to see if anyone can do a look up for the marriage. This would give you more information and avoid the costs of certificates in case they prove to be someone else.
Jo
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Thanks for the advice - I will certainly follow this up. James ;)
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I was given the information below:-
From the BVRI Marriages :
28th April,1851 St. Silas, Liverpool
Aaron Maddocks to Sarah Bellis
Husband previously married
His father Aaron Maddocks
Her father Robert Bellis
No ages stated.
No mention of a first marriage. Do you think this is sufficient to prove that this is my Aaron Maddocks (father Aaron)? Perhaps if we could find a Robert Bellis with daughter Sarah there might be a link to Wales?
James
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Hi all
There is a Sarah BELLIS, servant, age 21, born Bretton, Flintshire, on the 1851 (March 30th) census in Liverpool.
Ref HO107/2182/258/38......
Heather
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1841 census
HO107/1409/4/4
Bretton
Aaron Maddocks, age 30, Farmer, bic
Elizth Maddocks, age 77, bic
HO107/1409/6/8
Bretton
Robt Belles, age 50, ag lab, bic (transcribed as Ross Belles)
Cath Belles, age 50, bic (transcribed as Catha Belles)
Jane? Belles, age 20, bic (transcribed as June Belles)
transcribed as sep household....
Robt Belles, age 5, bic
Hannah Belles, age 1, bic
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Thanks Heather. Well that's the link - I had suspected as such - Sarah Bellis is captured on the 1851 census in Liverpool as she was working there and for some reason that was where she got married. Perhaps there was a baby on the way - although my records only have Aaron born 1854 - some three years after the wedding.
I now know Sarah Bellis's parents were Robert b.1791 and Catherine b.1791 and she had likely siblings Jane b. 1821, Robert b.1836 and Hannah b.1840. Sarah was born c.1830 and I am guessing Mary between 1821 and 1830.
Is there a death record for Mary Bellis between 1847 and 1851 listing her age at death as 20 - 25 years? Also were there any infant deaths in Bretton with name of Maddocks between 1847 and 1850? I'm thinking that Mary may have died in labour?
Thanks to everyone for your help, James
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I now know Sarah Bellis's parents were Robert b.1791 and Catherine b.1791 and she had likely siblings Jane b. 1821, Robert b.1836 and Hannah b.1840. Sarah was born c.1830 and I am guessing Mary between 1821 and 1830.
With respect I don't think you can assume anything. The first names Mary & Robert and surname Ellis were very common in this area.
H
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You're absolutely right. I stand corrected! Are there any baptist records of Bellis children baptisted in Bretton area between 1830 - 1850 - this might hopefully show the parents. Also placing this Sarah Bellis with her family in 1841 would help too.
James
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Hello JamesDMcBust,
There was no church in Bretton then and still nothing now.
I think this predates the nearest church there these days, which is Broughton, St Mary. It is most likely that children born in Bretton would have been baptised in Hawarden church.
You could ask Paul to look these up for you in the Flintshire RO.
Jo
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Paul
Jo has suggested that you might be able to help me with searching old baptisms when you next go to the Flintshire Records Office. I'm looking for baptisms at Hawarden Church of Bellis children during the years 1830 - 1850 by a Robert Bellis (and I think he wife was Mary although not absolutely sure). If you are able to find time I'd be very grateful.
James
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I think you might be better putting a post on the Flintshire board as Hawarden is in that county.
Have you looked at the IGI for these? I have had a quick scan and found dozens of Bellis baptisms in Hawarden on there. Also, of further interest, there are some baptisms on Broughton in the 1830s. I didn't realise the church was that old.
Jo
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An update, I found that Broughton, St Mary was consecrated in 1824. It might be worth looking into the possibilty that they were baptised there. This church is less than 2 miles from Bretton whereas Hawarden would be about 5 miles at least.
Jo
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Just noticed the name Aaron Maddocks and registered with Rootschat immediately. Aaron Maddocks and Catherine Millington were my great grandparents. I am at the moment trying to accumulate as much information as possible about them. If I can help in any way or if you have any information, please contact me.
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Hi,
Sorry to go off at a tangent here, just adding a postscript about Catherine Millington. Her first husband was Robert Airth, the brother of my GG Grandfather, William. If anyone wants to make a new thread, I'd really like to know about Robert & William's parents, Alexander Airth & Elizabeth Lee who were married in Ireland.
Small world, eh?
kind regards,
S
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Hi
Unable to give email address as I believe I need to have made 3 posts in order to make a personal message. Will try and resolve this a.s.a.p., going away soon for a few days.
Aaron Maddocks had 10 children with Catherine Millington, one of which (Selena) was my grandmother. Have been trying to find out if their house in Cerney Moss still exists, I believe it was across from the Brake Chapel and they ran it as a shop. Would also appreciate any information about either side of the family.
S
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New to this so bear with me. My grandfather was Walter Maddocks. His father was Aaron Maddocks. Aaron had a daughter Selina. My mother Ethel (Walter's daughter) remembers Selina well - she called her Auntie Lena. My mother still lives very near to the shop referred to opposite the Brake chapel. The house is long since gone as now, sadly, is the Brake Chapel itself which was demolished in 2009. My mother recalls that Aaron could not write and when asked his name would say "Aaron...thats big A little A, R.O.N.!" I found Aarons grave in St Pauls churchyard Pentre Broughton where he is buried with Catherine. On the grave it also stated that they had a son Sam who fell in France. I have been to Sam's grave. He was killed in WW1 and is buried at Baupamme military cemetary, near Albert. Hope that helps. My mother is 77 now but still has a great memory so if anyone needs help, please let me know!
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Just incase you do not know, this line of the Maddocks family hail from the village of Moss near Wrexham. The villages of Moss and Pentre Broughton run into each other. Locally Pentre Broughton is often just known as Broughton. It could well be that in looking at Broughton in Flintshire, you should be looking at Pentre Broughton....
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From my research I am pretty sure that Catherines parents were Peter Millington 8.11.1835 - 26/2/1919 and Martha Davies b.1837 - 14/11/1904. Peter was from Ewloe
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Hi
The Auntie Lena you refer to was my grandmother. Two of her children are still alive and live a few minutes from me, Peggy is 85 and Jack is 92 next month. I have a photo of Sam who was killed in action and if you would like me to email it, please let me know your email address.
Sofrey
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Hello,
My Mother recalls going to see Lena in Runcorn, then on a number of occasions to Preston. She recalls Lena's daughters as Peggy, Connie and Renee. She asked me to ask you who your mum is/was, and what area you now live in.
I have a photo of Sam thank you, and many others of the family as Mum only recently moved from the house she had lived in since 1945 and she hoarded photos etc. I also have a photo of his grave in France if you would like...I was there 3 years ago.
The information you gave on Catherine Maddocks was a huge help as I was really struggling to find out anything about her, so thank you.
If there is anything you would like from this side, let me know
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Hi everyone, thought you'd like to know about a facebook group called "Descendants of Aaron Maddocks (1853)". It's for anyone who is related in some way to Aaron to pool their fact, documents, stories, family knowlege, photos, etc with other members of Aaron's family, and can be found at:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=127936327267428
Take care and hope to see you at the group.
xx