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hi can anyone help my gg/grandfather was michael fenlon they say he married three time and had 62 children it been in news papers in ireland and ive found it in news papers in USA arond 1953 ive found to wifes and some children the last child was born 1883 they is fenlon s still living in wexford today i no some names related to them are MOREN / LAWLOR / BERGIN / SMITH / SULIVAN if anyone has info of this family that can help me in my search so far i have a family tree of 600 names please contact me even with the smallest of info many thanks alan
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From my current research on a new book Remembering Wexford.
Hope it helps.
Ben Fenlon was a major character in the 1940s and into the 1950s but some of the tales about him may stretch credulity. We give them here as we found in research and recollection. Ben and his brother Michael were men ahead of their times in the world of recycling. Their cries of "Bottles, jam jars or clothes" drew hordes of young and not so young people into the battle for the planet, well the battle for a few bob actually. Ben and Michael were not expecting anything for nothing and they actually paid you for your old bottles, jars and clothes which of course they also would obtain money for. Prices were assigned by size and many a person financed their leisure activities by collecting bottles and jars in anticipation of the brothers visits.
The story about Ben is that he was the grandson of another Michael. That Michael had arrived from Carlow with the militia and eventually settled in Black Cow Lane in Thomas Street and that he fathered 60 children over three marriages. His first wife, Mary Ouselm, gave birth to 24 children. His second wife Margaret Murphy had 16 children and later Mary Murphy from Ballinslaney would present him with another 20 children. Michael is said to have lived to the age of 99 years and died on January 11th 1900. It said that although many of the children chose to leave Wexford that for one Christmas there were 43 requiring dinner in the little family home. Michael was said to have initially supported the family by calling to houses of the poor and giving basic education in the so called Three Rs. He then set up as a General Dealer. His last direct descendant was said to be George who passed away in 1948.
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Also other posts mentioned on this thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,447229.0/topicseen.html
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Hi DukesLane
Re your question raised under the 'William Street Bar' topic heading - thanks shorts is there any other info with them names you can give me ive been trying to research the family with not much luck
I am replying in this thread to your question re the Fenlon's as it was going off the main topic heading.
There was no other information provided but what you can deduce from the names are
a) they are the 'head of the family' at the address in question as only 'ratepayers' were entitled to register a vote
b) more than likely they are male as the females tend to have their forenames stated
You may be interested in a George Fenlon who appears on a 1905 Parish Register page I have - see attached. I think he died young though because he's missing from the Fenlon family living in Keysers Lane in the 1911 census. The census confirms one of his Mother's 4 children had died.
George's father (also George) seems to be George Fenelon in the 1901 census. George, then aged 18, was living with his Brother John (b c1861) in Harpers Lane.
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thanks shorts for info the john in harpers lane is my great grandfather
yes george must have died young
george and bridget had a son george born around 1910
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thanks shorts for info the john in harpers lane is my great grandfather
yes george must have died young
george and bridget had a son george born around 1910
The two Fenlon families that were living in Green St in 1901 had moved to Whiterock South (a rank of about 23 properties in Distillery Rd) by the 1911 census. John & Anastasia Fenlon lived in the property next to my GF's uncle - Patrick Dalton.
I assume then that your GF was the John Fenlon aged 26 living in the Folly in 1911.
As there is no George Fenlon aged 1 in the 1911 census do you think they had 2 sons named George who died young even though the census only states 1 child was not living?
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As there is no George Fenlon aged 1 in the 1911 census do you think they had 2 sons named George who died young even though the census only states 1 child was not living?
Ah - I've just come across a 1903 baptism record for a Michael Fenelon with parents George & Bridget but her maiden name (Whelan) is different to the maiden name in the 1905 baptism record (Neil) referred to above!! Seems like it's two different Fenelon families even though there's only one George Fenlon/Fenelon in the 1911 census.
There's also a baptism record from 1902 for an Anastasia Fenelon - see below.
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hi shorts
anastasia is my gfathers sister she was the baby of the family we called her aunt doll
the john fenlon of the folly is my gfathers brother
george fenlon was my great gfathers brother and he did have a son called michael born around that time
i also no they had a son george born around 1915?? so maybe there was to george fenlons in the town the fenlons were a very large family back then
anyhelp you can give is great thanks
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Hi shorts, George Fenlon and Bridget Neil lived in Stowbridge Wexford. Do you know where Stowbridge was in Wexford ?
And also a cousin of my mothers married a John Dalton from Wexford her name was Margaret Fenlon, would he (John) been related to you ?
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Hi shorts, George Fenlon and Bridget Neil lived in Stowbridge Wexford. Do you know where Stowbridge was in Wexford ?
And also a cousin of my mothers married a John Dalton from Wexford her name was Margaret Fenlon, would he (John) been related to you ?
Hi
I believe this is in fact Stonebridge (Lane) which is a narrow lane off of South Main Street between Bride Street & Kings Street - see http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,705011,621499,7,9 which shows the lane and the buildings at the turn of the century.
The lane is still there but the old dwellings no longer exist. Attached is a photo of the Lane today taken from South Main St.
The John Dalton you refer to is not a relation although it's highly likely that there is a distant connection - I've still got a lot to do in that area!
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Hi Dukeslane
Based on the info in your PM and the 1901 census it looks like these may be the graves of two of your Grandfather's (Michael Fenlon) brothers, Luke and Richard. They are in Crosstown Cemetery, Wexford Town.
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A couple of Michael Fenlon's in Crosstown cemetery.
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Hi DukesLane
This could be the grave of your GGF John Fenlon.
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hi shorts this is my ggparents john and mary and also some of my gfathers brothers luke and richard its fantastic to see the graves many thanks for the photos and any other info you can give
alan
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There's a feature in this weeks Wexford Echo newspaper on the Fenlons.
http://web.archive.org/web/20120214081940/http://www.wexfordecho.ie/news/mhsnidkfgb (http://web.archive.org/web/20120214081940/http://www.wexfordecho.ie/news/mhsnidkfgb) link updated 2015
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thanks shorts
i have some write ups from wexford papers plus a year or so an american gent contacted me about his fendlin/fenlon family from wexford and his great uncle had a news clipping in his wallet for over 50 years about michael and his large family it was a clipping from the morning star dated 1954
alan
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And also a cousin of my mothers married a John Dalton from Wexford her name was Margaret Fenlon, would he (John) been related to you ?
Hi Dukeslane
I had an opportunity at the weekend to talk with my Mother on some family history and contrary to my earlier answer to your question I am in fact related to the John Dalton you refer to – I’m a 1st cousin, once removed.
He was my Mother’s cousin and ‘gave her away’ at her marriage in 1958 and below is a photo taken at the wedding. Maggie Fenlon, John’s wife, is 2nd from the right and John is in the middle of the photo. Their daughter Mary was a bridesmaid.
I understand they subsequently divorced and she died in London. She may have had a brother named Richard who lived in Bristol.
My mother’s memories of Ben Fenlon was, as mentioned in Nickr90’s post, that he and his brother would buy from the local kids used lemonade and beer bottles. He lived in the Faythe on the left hand side as you go down towards town (where Bernadette Place is now situated) so it’s very likely his actually cottage/house is no longer there. My Grandfather, who I understand was very particular about who he associated with, would spend many hours at Ben’s place talking about the issues of the day and no doubt knocking back the odd beer!
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hi shorts
thanks for that margaret was my mothers first cousin
her siblings where richard mary martin jack luke and katie
all passed away may they all r i p
alan
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Shorts, I have been on Rootschat for about 2 minutes and up pops a photo that literally brought tears to my eyes. I was stunned to see my aunt Maggie standing there, in a photo I've never seen before, and John to her right. Do you know the names of the woman and man behind Maggie? I have only recently returned to Wexford and hope to do a little research myself. Thank you so much for the emotional rollercoaster.
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Hi - The two others in the photo are still living so I can't name them but the lady is the sister of John Dalton and the man her husband. The older lady on the extreme left is John's Mother, Mary Ellen Bonas (nee Dalton) born 1907 in King St, Wexford Town.
John was born out of wedlock around 1926 in Barrack St and raised initially by a Fenlon family (A Luke and Bab's Fenlon - also in Barrack St per DUKESLANE)
I also understand from DUKESLANE that Maggie Fenlon had 6 siblings, Richard, Mary, Martin, Jack, Luke and Katie - all deceased. Which part of the family do you decend from?
Steve
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Shorts, yes I guessed that might be the case. Maggie was Richard's sister and he was my father. I understand that Martin drowned in Wexford when he was around 16 years old. I have a photo of John Dalton from around 1960 that I will put up when I can figure out how to.
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hi keyerslane
not sure if we have spoken before my mother was first cousin to your father Richard my aunty was briggie harris ,alan
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Hi my name is Fenlon (Phenlon) as it was first spelt from France, I have traced my familey to Clonroch ?.Kellys town Wexford
they are lisred in the census in Maudlington Wexford. They moved to Liverpool West Derby area then to Salford and Manchester.
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hi alanAF
just see your message are your fenlons from wexford town and how far have you gone back my great great grandfather was Michael fenlon he was known as father of the fenlons
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Hi,
I have gone back to around 1802, Familey was Wexford area, Mauldlington in south wexford it seems the
census reads Patrick Phenlon, next census is spelt Fenlon , we trace a Jerimiah comming to England and
at sometime going to Yokohama Japan with the Railways and also going to Natal in Africa.
Not found a Michael in the line mostly Patrick , Hugh Patrick and Frederick seem to be used mostly but I havent
been able to trace any family who stayed in Wexford been there many times a few years ago before I traced what I have found on Ancestry site.
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hi alanAF
I have come across this family of fenlons going back to a Patrick fenlon i have found no connection to them but my Michael was born in Carlow around 1801/2 he came to wexford with the milisha ans settled in wexford until his death in 1900 i did find a family in Carlow that looks like its michaels family and there was all so a brother Patrick in family and when check milisha records there was a Michael and Patrick together so your Patrick could have settled in wexford from Carlow and may well be michaels brother hope this as not confused you
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Hi,
I need to look into this a little further I am seeing a friend next week who is better at the research than I am
I will give him your information and look further into it, I only followed my line as you know it's very time consuming
I will look sideways now if I find anything I will post it next week for you to see.
Regards,
Alan.
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Hi Michael, sorry not posted for a while, can't seem to find info on family member, Jeremiah Fenlon born maulington 1841, married Mary Nolan, moved to Salford, Mcr, trying to trace his parents, can anyone help please.
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Hi I am searching for my Gt x 3 Grandfather Miles Dalton said to have signed with the 5th Dragoon Guards at Wexford. The first official record I have of him is at his daughters baptism in 1811 at Mitcham, Surrey England where he was quartered.
He died at Colchester barracks/ hospital later that year.
Wife Catherine, children Edward b: 1805c place unknown. Alicia b: 1811c place unknown. The children were inmates of the Royal Military Asylum, Chelsea. All 3 died quite young.
Regards
Shirley Sweetland Skinner
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Hi Shirley,
Is your post related to Michael Fenlon ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hello Alan, I think I am your cousin and would very much appreciate if you could confirm this. It appears that we share a grandfather. My grandfather was Michael Fenlon. My mother was Mary Carty nee Fenlon known to all the family as Sis. My mother was sister to Michael Fenlon known to the family as Micky Dooley. They were the children of Michaels first marriage.
I have recently started researching my family tree and my intention is to get back to the Father of All the Fenlons and try to find out what happened to his children. I found your postings here on RootsChat. It would appear that you have gathered a lot of information and I think your information could save me a lot of time . I look forward to hearing from you. Whitemill
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Hi , nice to hear from you, can't say I have come across the names carty or dooley I have a tree on ancestry under my wife's maiden name (platt).Michael seems to be part of my line but not 100% sure, my side is very interesting because of their travels. I've been to wexford several times found the original home in clonroach (kellys town).grandad was Hugh patrick from Salford , his father Frederick was born in Yokohama, his father Jerimiaha was born in Mauldlinton near wexford, hope this is helpful to you. Alan.
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Hello Dukeslane and AlanAF.
Alan AF I was hoping for a response from Dukeslane Alan because I am his cousin and he seems to have done lots of research already. I don't doubt that on my journey I will bump into your Fenlon line. I shall post anything I find for your perusal. Whitemill
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hi whitemill
yes i am your cousin remember aunt sis very well when i was younger she would sit me down and tell me lots of stories about wexfordif i can help you i will what would u like to no im living in bromley kent
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Hello Dukeslane. Thanks for responding to my request. I have sent a personal message with my contact details and hope to hear from you soon. Whitemill
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Hi all, sorry that there seems to be a long gap between the last posting and mine, but i am still trying to get used to the PC. This may be of some help in tracing members of the Fenlon Family. My Father was Patrick Smith and was born in no 2 Keysers Lane Wexford Town, August 1910 and at the Census1911 in which he is named alongside another Brother John and another half Brother Michael Fenlon age given as 6 yrs old. My Grand Parents were John Smith and Ellen Smith nee Fenlon. I myself, was born in No 5 Gulbar Road, Maudlintown, alongside my Sisters Ellen (Nellie) Kathleen and brothers Michael and the youngest Billy and lived there till just after the death of my Mother who died on my birthday 20 October 1945. My Mother`s maiden name was Farrell and there are quite a few of them still living in the Wexford Town Area. My Father remarried soon after the death of our Mother and we left Wexford in the Spring of 46, much to the regret of our maternal Grand Parents Michael and Kathleen Farrell who had been looking after us after Mother`s death, and looking after us well, i might add, so they were in tears when we left. We were told we were going to a new home in England, but were told, whilst on a train with Father and stepmother, that he, my Father had just received a letter informing him that,the home we were supposed to be going to had gone and that we would be taken to a nice place where we would be looked after till they got some other housing arranged. As i have written earlier i was now well past my 9 years of age, and when he had said he had just gotten a letter i looked out of the train window which was hurtling along and i wondered how fast that Postman must have been travelling to have delivered. When the train stopped and we got off, i looked at the station name and it read Belfast and us children whispered to each other our worries as to what was occuring. After a short bus ride 10 minutes or so we got off and were walked up a very long driveway to what i know now as an Orphanage, Nazareth Lodge Orphanage for Boys. That was when my heart sank, when Father and stepmother said their goodbyes to us and took our sisters with them to another place for girl As i have written i was into my tenth year but i sobbed my heart out along with my brother Michael when the nun closed that big door after my Father left. i will not dwell on on anything else here except to mention that when we left Maudlintown, which we loved and still do, we left behind the baby of the family, Billy, in the care of our Grand Parents John and Kathleen Farrell, he was so lucky to be loved and cared for by the both of them. RIP. We left the nuns in the Spring of 47 and walking down that driveway away from that place i was frightened to look back in case i was called back, which did not happen Thank God. Anyway came to England and lived in London for a couple of years before settling In Romford which is in East London, and have been married to my wife Barbara for 55 years this 5th August. Sorry. i forgot to say that my sister Ellen RIP found out where Billy was in later years and we were all reunited when i was aged about 26 and Billy 16. The actual reason i wrote on here was to let people know that Michael Fenlon living at 2 Keysers lane in 1911 was my Uncle and i am proud to write this,
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Hello exwexman,
Welcome to RootsChat.
What a very sad start to life you have had but very pleased that you were able to be reunited with your sister and brother.
I can see that whitemill was online earlier hopefully they will reply to your message very soon.
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you Sarah for your kind remarks regarding the message i posted. I did make one little mistake though, i wrote that it was my 9th Birthday that my mother passed away, but actually it was my 8th. Sarah, i also wrote that i am fairly new to using my PC and being nearly 79 years of age i am finding it hard to navigate about on various sites, this being one. After i posted that message i received a personal message from another member on this forum, a person i now know i am related to, that person being Dukeslane (Alan) and i was so pleased to hear from anyone on the site, and more than pleased to hear from him, that i wanted to send him a personal message myself but an error box came up telling me that i could not send a personal myself. Could you please tell me how to get around this problem as i would be most obliged, Thank you. Pat.
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I wrote earlier that i had a problem with being unable to send another member a personal message, and have just found out that before i could do this i had to have three postings on here,so, this is the , third, i will now try a PM.
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Hi Pat,
Yes as a new member you have to make a couple of posts in order to use the PM function, I am pleased to hear that you are now in contact with one of your rellies.
Regards
Sarah
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Thank you for that, Sarah, Pat Smith.
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Hi Ex Wexman, I hope you are still out there and active in your research. I believe that we would be 3rd cousins. Your grandfather ( John Smith) parents were Patrick Smith and Margaret Sheehan. Margarets brother was Thomas Sheehan my great grand father. My father was born 1923 in Enniscorthy but registration says the family lived in Keysers Lane, Wexford at that time. My grandfather was also a Thomas Sheehan born 1896 in Wexford His mother was Ellen Kearney ( Carney ) and the Kearney family also have ties to the Fenlon family. I have quite a bit of information on the Sheehan side of this connection and would love to hear from you. Regards Alan
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Hello all
I have started to do a family history of my mother's family and have discovered we are linked with the famous father of the felons. My g.granmother was a Annie Fenlon who married a James Kearney they lived in Wolfe Tone Villas. I'm not sure where the link is to the Micheal Fenlon but would love to know 🙂
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
Can you give us an indication of the date and place of the marriage of your gt grandparents?
We may be then able to help you.
KG
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Hi KG
They were married around October 1933 in Wexford not sure of exact location doh
Thanks
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Hi irishButterfly,
Anne Fenlon 1912- 1998 parents were John Fenlon 1885-1951 and Johanna Berry. Johns parents were John fenlon 1863-1910 and Mary Kelly.This John 's parents were Michael Fenlon 1801-1900 and Mary Murphy. I got most of this info from your uncle Eddie.
We would be related through James Kearney your grandfather. His father was Booker Kearney a half brother to my grandfather Thomas Sheehan born 1896 in Wexford
Regards
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OK, so this was their marriage on 31st October 1933 in Wexford RC Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1933/08992/5254718.pdf
Anne's father John Fenlon, a labourer and she's living at Folly (wherever that is).
1911 census.
House 4 in Folly (Wexford No. 2 Urban, Wexford).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_No__2_Urban/Folly/697386/
Married 4 years, 1 daughter.
Marriage 1906
John Fenlon to Johanna Berry.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10146/5691878.pdf
KG
Added:
His father was Booker Kearney a half brother to my grandfather Thomas Sheehan born 1896 in Wexford
He's down as John on the 1906 marriage record.
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Yes his name was John ( Booker ) Kearney
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Lest we fgorget.
John ( Booker ) Kearney Enlisted 1914, discharged 1918 due to schrapnel wound ( Conaught Rangers ) Died 1922 in Wexford
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hi Bainbridgeboy
nice to meet you thanks for all that i will have a look at all the links and save info. yes uncle eddie is great for family info. we dont know as much my grandad was his brother Michael who passed away at 38 but we think he was really 37 as he told a fib about his age to join the army haha
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Lest we fgorget.
John ( Booker ) Kearney Enlisted 1914, discharged 1918 due to schrapnel wound ( Conaught Rangers ) Died 1922 in Wexford
Died 29th May 1922 at the County Hospital, Wexford.
Occupation: Army Pensioner
Cause of death: Pulmonary Tuberculosis
No image is available, but a transcript of the register entry can be viewed.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01r1v/
KG
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does anyone know if a Michael Fenlon who was convicted of shooting to kill and murder and sentenced to 3 years on 2/12/1907 was any of this fenlon family ??