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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Rosalie Ryan on Sunday 07 February 10 22:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello Everyone, it has been over a year since my last post :o
Okay further research points me in the direction of the township FLADBURY.
Looking for a birth or relatives of:
William Edward Scargill TAYLOR born c1837 in Fladbury (taken from the census)
SCARGILL it seems is a surname that originates from Yorkshire, but this only a guess.
It could be the surname of the mother.
Another clue is the naming pattern of PERHAM in later generations as an ancestral reminder.
William Taylor was not shy of money as he was noted as living on his own means. He went to boarding school in Cheltenham Gloucestershire, met his wife Frances Sarah Todd and married in Cheltenham 1859. I suspect from the census that Frances was brought up with a Governess and Cook in South Wales but this is to be investigated.
Look forward to any clues.
Cheers from Wet and Dreary Sydney AUS
Rosalie
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Hi
Do you have his fathers name from his 1859 marriage cert
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Hi Carole
No I haven't his father's name. I realise that the marriage certificate must be the next step.
But just thought on the off chance that there wouldn't be too many births in Fladbury
I cannot find him on the 1841 census either!
Regards
Rosalie
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Hi
Yes - I had hoped he would be a bit obvious on the 1841 with at least one of his other christian names recorded but no such luck. I can see him at boarding school in 1851 and notice he is shown as 16 so b around 1835
Fladbury was in the Pershore registration district and there is a 6yr old James Taylor living in Holy Cross Worcs which was in the Pershore reg district. Perhaps bear it in mind when you get his marriage cert in case the details match
You need to have a look at the image as there are 2 Taylor families recorded next door to each other. William Taylor 45 wheelwright and James Taylor 75 carpenter. William aged 6 is shown under James family group so could be a grandson
The ref is HO107 Piece 1206 Book 15 Folio 37 Page 22
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Hi Carole
Re William Edward Scargill Taylor
I had a look at the 1851 census as you suggested, it is possible that he is part of this family.
Had a look at 1861/71 and 91 census and his birthyear is back to c1837.
(not sure where he was in 1881 but he may have been in USA at that time)
In the 1891 census he was living at South Hampton. From here I found reference
to his death in South Hampton in Mar qtr of 1892.
After using all online resources I have now ordered the marriage certificate online with GRO.
So will be back online in a few weeks to delve into his past.
Thank you for your help.
Rosalie
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Some one as Submitted this, (same area)
WILLIAM EDWARD SCARGILL TAYLOR.
Birth, 02 MAY 1834.
Christening, 04 MAY 1834. Cropthorne, Worcester.
Parents,
JEREMIAH TAYLOR.
SOPHIA.
Jeremiah Taylor.
Birth, 06 FEB 1789. Wexford, Ireland.
Married
Sophia Barton.
09 APR 1828. Eccles, Lancashire.
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Hi Jim :o
Thank you for your information. I guess the submission you are referring to is from the LDS site.
I had been looking on the LDS site for years but such a common name, I gave up.
Just visited the site and keyed in Scargill (first name) and Taylor but did not get a result.
Keyed in the parents and up came his name. How elusive?
Can I ask how you stumbled upon old William? and if there is a reference or a contact?
Much appreciated.....
Cheers :)
Rosalie
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Hi Rosalie, From The LDS site.
I just searched for a William Taylor born 1835, + or - 2 years in Worcestershire. There are other children also recorded under the same parents.
Source Information, Batch Number, 7034323
Jim.
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Thanks Jim
I suppose I was looking at 1837. However the submission may have been recent. Would be nice if the year submitted or even a contact. Will start googling for researchers.
Once again Rootschat members have helped again.
Any Australian lookups I can do pls ask.
Regards
Rosalie
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I believe the Scargill connection could be Helena Taylor (possibly an aunt of William) who married James Scargill in Dublin in 1835 and was born c.1813 in Ireland.
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Worcester Journal Saturday 19th June 1858
Marriages
June 10th at Prestbury, by the Rev. J.G Churton, vicar of Tenbury and grandfather of the bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. J Edwards, vicar of Prestbury, the Rev. E.J Owen, curate of Tenbury and second son of E.H Owen Esq. of the Lodge, Ludlow, to Marian, youngest daughter of Major-Gen Taylor of Prestbury Lodge, Cheltenham and Colonel of the 59th regiment.
[N.B Bristol Mercury call wife Mary Anne not
Morning Post Monday 17th January 17th 1859
Marriages
Taylor – Todd
On the 5th inst. at the Parish Church, Cheltenham, by the Rev. James Taylor, brother of the bridegroom, assisted by the Rev. E.J Owen, Curate of Tenbury and brother-in-law of the bridegroom, William E Taylor, youngest son of Major-Gen. Taylor of Prestbury Lodge, Cheltenham and Colonel of H.M 59th Foot, to Frances Sarah Todd, only daughter of the late Christopher Todd.
Oxford Journal Saturday 8th February 1862
Died
Feb 1st, at his residence, Prestbury Lodge, near Cheltenham, Lieut-General Jeremiah Taylor, Colonel of the 59th Regiment, in his 72nd year.
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If Jeremiah was born c1790 then it is possible that Helena Taylor could be an older sister of William Edward. According to the 1851 census she was born in Tipperary, Ireland in c1813. James Scargill & Helena Taylor named one of their sons Nathaniel Taylor Scargill.
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Hello All
Could Dave Jones (who contributed to the Taylor family by way of Newspaper announcements on this thread) be able to assist if there was an obituary or death notice in the local Cheltenham papers (or nearby papers)
I have the Rev James Taylor b1829 died 1867.
He apparently is buried at St Mary Prestbury, Gloucestershire.
(His father Jeremiah is buried there as well d1862)
I have an inkling that the Rev James died elsewhere. His last residence in 1864 was in Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire. His widow Frances Helen was living in Cheltenham ref 1871 Census.
Also a Frances Sarah Taylor nee Todd who died Dec qtr 1869 reg Cheltenham. buried ??? (wife of William Taylor)
Any help appreciated.
Regards
Rosalie
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To throw a spanner in the works a Tree has;
Jeremiah TAYLOR 1789
Parents James TAYOR 1769 and Beatrice SCARGILL 1769
Jeremiahs Death 01 Feb 1862 age 71, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
Anyhow have the 1841 in case you still havent found it;
1841 Census
H?house, Severn Stoke,
Worcestershire
HO107/1206/3/Severn Stoke
Jeremiah TAYLOR, 50, Military
Margaret, 9
W.E.T, 7, ***
Maryann, 4
Trish :)
EDIT;
Margaret was christened Sophia Margaret, 30 Jan 1832, Cropthorne, Worcs
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Hi Trish. :)
Thank you for your reply
I have seen other trees re: Jeremiah Taylor and I do have the info that you supplied.
Just fixing up loose ends to Jeremiah's tree with a burial/death date by way of newspaper or church record for Prestbury St Mary. (are there any record of burials for St Mary at Prestbury?)
Rev James Taylor lived at Prestbury and then Little Dewchurch, Herefordshire but I cannot locate an accurate death rego. I have tried online deaths and wills on most sites. died 1867.
And then there is the sister in law Frances Sarah Taylor. reg Cheltenham died 1869. :'(
kind regards
Rosalie
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Hopefully someone can help you with those :)
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Hi Trish
Frances Taylor has shown up on the 1881 census as a male not female. (this threw me off track)
SO this means she is not the Frances that died in 1867 at Cheltenham.
She most probably was missing on 1871 census, maybe overseas.
Rosalie
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Worcestershire Chronicle 14th June 1865
Deaths
June 7th, at Southfield House, Great Malvern, aged 36, the Rev. James Taylor, rector of Little Dewchurch, near Ross.
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Cheltenham Looker On 28th April 1855
Married
April 26, at the Parish Church, Cheltenham, by the Rev. James Taylor, brother of the bride, the Rev. Henry Goodwin, vicar of Twyning, Gloucestershire, to Sophia Margaret, eldest daughter of Major-General Taylor, of Cheltenham.
Western Daily Press 20th August 1859
Married
At Twyning, Gloucestershire, on the 18th inst., by the Rev James Taylor, assisted by the Rev Henry Goodwin, vicar, Henry Filder Harris, second surviving son of Samuel Harris Esq., Forbury, Reading, to Mary, widow of Christopher Todd Esq.
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Worcestershire Chronicle 16th September 1840
Died
Sept 11th, at Lyme Regis, Dorset, in her 37th year, Sophia, the wife of Lieutenant-Colonel J Taylor, of Severn Stoke.
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Manchester Courier 19th April 1828
Married
On the 9th inst., at Eccles, Lieut-Col. Taylor, of the 9th Infantry, to Sophia, second daughter of J. Barton Esq., of Swinton.
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Hello Dave
Thank you for your newspaper snippets, these are most helpful.
It might be worth obtaining a subscription to the Brit Papers online. :o
Now I have another lead to follow up.
Kind regards
Rosalie :)
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Hi , I have a Mary Taylor, bn c 1778 Earls Croome and married James Pensam/Pensham 1798 Earls Croome.
On the censuses for Birmingham for 1851 and 1861 she lists her birthplace as Fladbury.
Could she be related to your Taylors?
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Thank you for your email Sudie.
You may be onto something here.
The Taylors were christened with some ancestor or another, evident in their naming patterns. Two of the distinct names were Scargill and Perham..... You mention Penham or Pensham which suggests it is in fact a surname that followed through the generations....
And Fladbury keeps coming up....
Can you email me on rosalieryan@bigpond.com
Look forward to hearing from you.
Rosalie