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Hello
Would anyone be so kind as to look up the census records from 1910 onwards for my ancestor Elizabeth Leather. born circa 1889/90. Born in england and probably living in Massachusetts.
She may have married a man by the surname De marre ( any details of a marriage would also be brilliant ) and ended up in Montreal.
I also have found a document on Ancestry, which is ' locked', regarding the Boston Passenger arrivals of an Elizabeth Leather... could this be my ancestor?
Any help would be appreciated, as I have been trying for some time to find out what happened to her, after leaving the workhouse in England! A better life in the states.
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
ps her father was called Joseph, if this helps!
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Hi
Boston Pass List shows Elizabeth LEATHER as follows....
SS Saxonia dept Liverpool England 17th April 1906 arr Boston 26th April 1906
LEATHER Elizabeth 17 years Female Single Domestic ( occupation )
Able to read and write
Sister paid fare
Never been in the USA before
Name and address of person joining on arrival
Mrs BEDFORD
34 Chelmsford Road Laurence??
Cheers
Karenlee
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The USA Census for 1910 has this Elizabeth that might be yours...
1910 Census United States of America
Methuen Precinct 2, Essex, Massachusetts
Roll T624_586 Page 18A, Enumeration District 424, Image 510
In the household of Joseph and Gertrude BIRKS
LEATHER Elizabeth Boarder Female White 30 Single born England occupation hard to read... might be shoe? or shop?
Parents both born England
Arrived 1906
Cheers
Karenlee
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Hi, just to update Karenlee's good find, blowing image up it looks like age is recorded as 20 and occ. is "Spooler" at "woolen mill"... popular in Mass during this era.
Nick
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Oh dear. Work already done.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,400471.0.html
This is a longshot !! It is also a distraction from the information you wanted but may be linked because this could be Elizabeth's sister. (hopefully) It may help you later. You also mentioned she may have ended up in Montreal.
You mentioned that Elizabeths father was Joseph - so I wonder if this is Joseph Leather born 1843 Northwich. Cheshire. Married To Mary. Daughter Elizabeth had a sister called Ada Leather who also went to USA about 1900 and married Fred Ball Bedford 9 Aug 1905 in Metheun. Essex. Massachusetts. In 1910 they were in Salem, Rockingham, New Hampshire with 2 children Florrie about 3 and Phillis just over 1 year old. Then husband Fred goes to Canada and Ada follows 7 Oct 1912 with 2 children (Flora and Frank born 1910 but no Phyllis).
Ada and Fred are then on the Canada Census of Manitoba and Saskatchewan 1916 Edmonton East, Alberta with Fred B Bedford 32 Ada Bedford 33 Florrie Bedford 9 Phyllis Bedford 7 Frank E Bedford 5 Burnice Bedford 2
Ada died in Summerland. British Columbia in 15 Nov 1954.
Fred died in British Columbia in 17 Feb1960. Born 7 Aug 1884 Huddersfield.
Hope this is the correct connection for you. ;D
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Hello
Thanks for the wonderful information. The Boston passenger Elizabeth, is definately the right one, as the Mrs Bedford, meeting her is her sister!
Thanks for taking the trouble to look.
The census Elizabeth hopefully is the right one, as long as the age is 20. Blown up image seems to confirm this. So this is also fantastic!
With regards to the information about Ada, this is her sister. The request for help was posted by myself, a few weeks ago. The Mrs Bedford is Ada.
Would any one be able to locate a marriage for Elizabeth, probably in Massechusetts? It would be so nice to know what happened to her
Also would anyone know why people living in Massachusetts, from Britain ended up in Canada! Was there some sort of incentive? It seems like a long way to travel, after one long journey already from Britain!
Thanks for all your help
Hobbyhorse
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Ths has been edited a few times to add new information (in boldface) and keep it in one place!
Hi Hobbyhorse: You are very lucky that we are snowed in today where I live on the East Coast of the U.S. I was avoiding more productive work, and was about to suggest that you e-mail the city clerks of Lawrence and Methuen, Massachusetts to see if they could provide information on a possible marriage of Elizabeth Leather.
But I decided to look first at the U.S. censuses for the period in question to see if I could find anyone named De Marre in that area. So I went to the FamilySearch Pilot website, run by the LDS Church, to look at the censuses for free. I predict that as soon as you finish reading this post you'll want to go there, too. So here is the link: http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0.
Corrected: At any rate: Elizabeth Leather married Napoleon Demers on May 28, 1914. The marriage was registered in Methuen, Mass. on May 22, 1914, but it seems to have taken place in Lawrence, Mass. (The two cities border on each, about 25 miles northwest of Boston, and Napoleon Demers birthplace of Haverhill, Mass. also borders on Lawrence).
You can actually see the marriage registration book on the FamilySearch website. When you go the above web address, wait until it loads, then click on "Browse our collections" (under the search boxes). On the next page, click on the map of the U.S. and Canada, then scroll down and click on Massachusetts State Marriage Records, 1841-1915.
You can search by name. Elizabeth's marriage is No. 53, near the bottom of the register page. You can zoom in on, print, and save a copy of the record page.
Unfortunately, her sister Ada married in 1905, and that marriage is not covered in the records that are online (mostly 1906-1915). But I dd find the information for Ada's marriage in another index. It is
Town Year Volume Page
Leather Ada Methuen 1905 554 559
Bedford Fred Ball Methuen 1905 554 559
You can contact the City of Methuen (for possibly more information) through the "Contact Us" link at the top of the city's web page at http://www.cityofmethuen.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-1.html
I could not locate Napoleon Demers in the 1900 census (which is also on the FamilySearch site) in Haverhill or Methuen or Lawrence. Perhaps someone can search the 1910 census for him or family.
The reason Elizabeth ended up in Canada is probably because Napoleon's family had emigrated to the U.S. from Canada at some point. There was a very nasty textile strike in 1912 in Lawrence (famously called the Bread and Roses Strike), and the bad blood might have lasted well after the strike. That might have prompted them to go to Canada. French Canadians in Massachusetts were simply another immigrant group to be exploited.
Added: Elizabeth's (and hence Ada's) parents' full names, including mother's maiden name, appear in the marriage register.
Added: Father was Joseph; name of mother appears to be Mary Coster on the Methuen register..
Added much later: There are two entries in the Massachusetts Marriage Index for Elizabeth Leather and Napoleon Demers. One is the marriage register in Methuen; the other is a marriage registration page in Lawrence, where the marriage took place. On the Lawrence register, Elizabeth's mother is Mary Foster.
Added still later: Could it be mere coincidence or is it possible that Elizabeth Leather had a forbear named Elizabeth Leather who married a man named Charles Egerton and emigrated from England to Lawrence, Mass? I mention this because (1) Ada and Elizabeth had an aunt, Sarah Egerton, in Lawrence when they emigrated and (2) there is an Elizabeth Leather (married name Egerton) on the Massachusetts Marriage Index who has two children, Ellen and Herbert Egerton, whose marriages--1909 and 1911--were registered in Lawrence.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Great detective work by John.
A couple of possibility's :-
1920 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts .
Napoleon Demers 27 Born 1893 Masscahusetts. Father Nova Scotia Mother Canada .
Elisabeth Demers 27 says born 1893 England. Immigration 1902
Just above them on the census are Paul, Henrietta Garsein and stepson Wilfred Demers. 21 years old
The name of his mother on the marriage was Henrietta Crotte !!!
1930 Salem, Rockingham, New Hampshire
Napoleon Demers 38 Age at marriage 21 years. Elizabeth Demers 35 Age at marriage 18
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It seems as if Napoleons father has died/divorced and this could be his mother and new husband in 1910 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts. It states M2 on the scan and they have been married for 6 years. No Napoleon on this one though. Spelling of the surname slightly different as well.
Paul Garcin 38 Henrietta Garcin 36 Anna Demas 15 Flora Demas 13 Wilfred Demas 12
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Good work, Dettori. So they returned to the same area from Canada. Salem, New Hampshire borders Methuen on the north.
My good detective work was helped by the marriage index and records being on the FamilySearch site. I was looking for the 1900 census when I went there. It also doesn't hurt that the maternal side of my family is from Lawrence, Mass.
By the way, did you notice how old Wilfred Demers was in 1930?
John :o :o :o
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Dettori: I just saw your reply Napoleon Demers's father dying. I thought he might have died, too. I couldn't find him in the 1900 census. As for Wilfred Demers. The Social Security Death Index has Wildfred Demers born 1898, died 1981 in Haverhill, Mass.
John
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And here might be the remarriage of Napoleon Demers' mother (actually her second husband's entry in the Massachusetts marriage index). Napoleon's mother must have remarried under her maiden name (unless this is a first marriage for Paul Garcin). Gets a little confusing. ???
Town Year Volume Page
Garcin Paul Haverhill 1903 536 439
John :o :o :o
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If that is Wilfred in the death index fo 22 May 1981 then his middle initial was "R".
This 1930 census entry Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts
Wilfrid R Demers 31 Married at 23 years old Rena Demers 28 Married at 19 years old. Born Massachusetts. Parents Canadian French.
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Need to go back and get the occupation of Paul Garcin. Frenchman. 15 Aug 1904 (which is after thye marriage date you found) Have a passenger record. Age 32. Shoemaker. Going to 221 River Street. Haverhill. Mass. Just -"- under marital status. ???
Paul Garcin was French born 1874 ???
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1910 - Paul Garcin either had or his occupation was in a shoe - shop. Immigrated 1892. His marital status is down as widowed ???
Henriettea had 5 children - 1 died. Can't quite read her immigration date - could be 1880. Mariatal status:- married. ???
Checked through all the children for 1900 and cannot see a sign. If Napoleon died could Henrietta have taken them to Canada ? Not that I can find a border crossing either ???
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Sister Anna Demers marries Emile H Langlois 4 Sept 1911.
Anna's parents Napoleon Demers and Henrietta Croteau.
as per same link you gave before John.
1920 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts
Emile H Langlois 29 Born Canada. Immigration 1890 Anna M Langlois 25 Wilfred J Langlois 6 Leonard J Langlois nearly 3 years
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By 1930 Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts
Anna is a widow with a few more children.
An anc..try tree on Flora but nothing on her parents - spelt Demeis
Flora G Demers has married Ovide Leo Paquette 2 Jan 1915 (He was born 1897 Haverhill)
This was the family in 1920 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts
Leo O Paquette 23 Flora L Paquette 23
Leonel O Paquette nearly 5 years
Antoinette D Paquette just over 2 years
Raymond A Paquette born 1920
and in 1930 Haverhill Ward.
Leo Paquette 33 Died 1979 Flora Paquette 33 Died 1954 Lionel Paquette 14 Died 1990
Antoinette Paquette 12 Raymond Paquette 10 (Raymond died in 1969
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I can see a free uk bmd marriage in March 1875 which could be a Joseph Leather and Mary Ann Foster. The timing would be about right for the first born child Helena Leather - sister of Elizabeth. ???
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Hello John and Dettori
Thankyou ever so much for all the effort that you have put in, in researching my family! Finding the marriage of Elizabeth and Napoleon is a great breakthrough for me. I can't access those records, over here in Wales!
I will have a look at the weblink for the marriage certificate, after I have done this.
Elizabeth's mother was Mary Foster. Mary and Joseph were married in Lancashire, in january 1875. Their daughter Helena/Eleanor (name changes in census records) was the sister of Elizabeth, Ada and my ancestor, their brother Joseph. Helena/ Eleanor seems a bit of an enigma, as she disappears, after the 1891 census...and there is no birth record that matches for her. Perhaps she also ended up in Massachusetts !
Thanks also for the census findings of the Dermers family. They seem to be in the right area, so hopefully this is them. The details on the American census seem to give a lot more information, than the British ones.
Are there any census records for Montreal, from around the 40's? Apparently Elizabeth and her husband ran a shoe manufacturer's, in Montreal. Perhaps this would confirm if we have the right family?
The other Elizabeth Leather (Egerton), I think is the aunt of Elizabeth and Ada and sister of their father Joseph. Sarah Egerton was her daughter and cousin of Ada and Elizabeth.
The information that you have given me is amazing. I will now go and take a look at the website.
thankyou
Hobbyhorse
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Hope John has dug himself out of the snow !!
Their is a 1911 census of Canada and 1916 of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, I don't know of anything later. Perhaps their could be city directories or something like that which could help.Many experts on the Canadian board, perhaps it is worth asking the question to see if you can find anything on Elizabeth/Napoleon and shoe manufactuerer's. Interesting that was the first occupation we picked up for Paul Garcin/Garsein, stepfather of Napoleon.
Would be nice to find the Demers on the 1900 census, would answer a few more questions.
I did tentatively have a look for Helena/Eleanor last night when I was looking for a marriage to match Leather/Foster. Wondered abour Eleanor Leather - Birkenhead. Cheshire in Sept 1876 and a death in Manchester March 1894 age 17 years !! ;D
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1920 Haverhill Ward 5, Essex, Massachusetts .
Napoleon Demers 27 Born 1893 Masscahusetts. Father Nova Scotia Mother Canada .
Elisabeth Demers 27 says born 1893 England. Immigration 1902
Just above them on the census are Paul, Henrietta Garsein and stepson Wilfred Demers. 21 years old
The name of his mother on the marriage was Henrietta Crotte !!!
1930 Salem, Rockingham, New Hampshire
Napoleon Demers 38 Age at marriage 21 years. Elizabeth Demers 35 Age at marriage 18
Hi Hobbyhorse: I'm pretty sure these are your people. I haven't seen the 1920 or 1930 censuses, so I don't know what their occupations would be. But Haverhill, Mass. was important in the American shoe industry, and these folks seem to have been in it.
Salem, New Hampshire borders Haverhill to the west, and with Lawrence and Methuen the four almost make a circle. So moving from one place to another wasn't difficult or unusual at all.
If they went to Canada, it must have been after 1930.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Hi Hobbyhorse et al:
I found Napoleon Demers registering for the World War II draft in 1942 in Haverhill, Mass. The person who will always know his address is Henrietta Garcin. His birth date is Mar 27, 1892.
This Napoleon also seemed to be residing in Haverhill, Mass. at the time of his death in 1970. His birth date in the Social Security Death Index is Mar 27, 1892. He must have been living in Massachusetts in the mid-1930s, since his Social Security number was issued there.
I couldn't find a good candidate for Elizabeth in the index. That probably means that she died before 1962, or at the latest by 1970. She would have been issued a number in the 1930s to 1970s only if she had been working. If not working since the 1930s (the 1930 census says that she was not working), she would have been issued a number only if she survived Napoleon, in order to receive Social Security as a surviving spouse.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Excellent John.
You must be snowed in again !!!
A City Directory Entry - Havershill 1935. Henrietta Garcin and Mrs Anna Langlois.
We know Anna was already a widow by 1930 so perhaps Paul Garcin has died to.
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1937 City Directory says Henrietta Garcin widow of Paul Garcin :(
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1960 seems to be the last entry for Henrietta Garcin. (Hetty) Lawrence. Massachusetts.
Paul G seems to be around in the directories until 1928 - shoe-worker. Havershill.
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The age for Elizabeth had varied slightly throughout. Hobbyhorse said 1889/90.
The 1910 census scan shows 20 so that is 1890.
the 1920 census shoes her as 27 so that is 1893
the 1930 census shows her as 35 so that is 1895
So I will throw this Social Security Death into the mix for an Elizabeth Demers.
Haverhill, Essex, Massachusetts,
Born 3 May 1894 Died: Aug 1978
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Hi Dettori. Not snowed in. I'm connected with a college that's closed for Lincoln's Birthday. My post today was information that I had found yesterday.
Nice find there with the SSDI. I used the version at Rootsweb, and that entry didn't come up in a name search. But it did come up at Rootsweb when I plugged in the social security number. Then I searched the SSDI at FamilySearch.org, and it came up in a name search. Have to remember to use the version at FamilySearch.org.
Hobbyhorse, that could be Elizabeth Leather Demers. But you have to do more research to be sure.
John :o :o :o
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Henrietta Garcin died 11 May 1959. Metheun. R = Roomer 100A Haverhill (US Directory for Lawrence. Massachusetts) :(
Paul Garcin is on the 1930 Haverhill Director as retired. Can't find anything between 1930 - 1935 when Henrietta is a widow. The address here is 16 Margin Street.
In the 1901 City Directory for Haverhill - Paul Garcin is listed living at 221 River Street. (No Henrietta)
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Hello
The information that you have found is amazing! Thankyou ever so much for all the trouble that you have gone to ,in researching this for me. It is very much appreciated.
Looks like Naopleon and Elizabeth Demers did not have any children!!
I may post something on the Canada board.....but from your research it looks like they just stayed in Massachusetts.
It looks like the Elizabeth, on the death index is mine. 1978 isn't that long ago.
I wish I could have met her!
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
ps Dettori 28..... the Eleanor Leather born in Birkenhead, is not mine. There is another one living there. Mine was born in Northwich.....but there is no trace of a birth there, in the records. Also there is another Eleanor, also living in Manchester, so the death record may be her. It's very strange that there is no birth, as this would have been their first child and all the others were registered!! Wonder if it is a transcription error.
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What about the Ellen Leather - March 1877 Northwich ?
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If the date of birth were correct for Napoleon Demers - 27 March 1892. There are people that do random acts of kindness where they may do public record look ups. Wonder if this is worth a try ? Might be one listed for Essex. Massachusetts. Could be worth an e-mail to enquire ?
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Hello
The Elizabeth Demers that you found in the death index was born on the 3rd May 1894. From the workhouse records, it says my Elizabeth was born in 1889.
Perhaps the date of death may be estimated?
Regarding the Ellen Leather, born Northwich 1877.... I have already checked her and she has different parents!! It seems very odd that I can't find a matching birth record.
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
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Here are two marriages for Henriette Crouteau, mother of Elizabeth Leather's husband, Napoleon Demers. Napoleon father's, Napoleon, must have passed away, or he and Henrietta divorced.
This is her first marriage
Town Year Volume Page
Croteau Henriette Haverhill 1891 415 326
Demars Napoleon Haverhill 1891 415 326
This is her second marriage. Paul Garcin''s marriage info was noted on the first page of this thread but is being repeated here
Town Year Volume Page
Garcin Paul Haverhill 1903 536 439
Croteau Henriette Haverhill 1903 536 439
John :o :o :o
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Hi John.
Excellent find. I saw 2 Napoleon's listed yesterday when I was searching for someone else and wondered if they were possibles.
Don't think hobbyhorse is to keen on the Elizabeth Leathe /Demars death record.
On the WW2 draft for Napoleon where it mentions his mother - would that have been unusual if he had a wife and she was still alive ?
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Stranger than Henrietta Crotteau Demers' two marriages is the possibility that Elizabeth Leather's Napoeon Demers might have been married twice.
The Massachusetts Marriage Index on the FamilySearch Pilot website has Napoleon Demers marrying Annie Esther Noonan in Haverhill on November 16, 1910. His father's name is Paul (no surname) and his mother's name is Haritta Croteau. Henrietta Crotteau married Paul Garsin in 1906. I think the names here are too close for coincidence.
Napoleon is 18 years old and is a shoemaker. He and Annie were born and live in Haverhill. In the 1910 census, Napoleon might have already been living on his own. If this the same Napoleon Demers, it's anybody's guess what happened to Ann Noonan.
As for the mother's name on the WWII draft, I don't know what to make of it.
I sent a PM to hobbyhorse with an e-mail address for Haverhill's city clerk.
John :o :o :o
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Just found sad news that the Napoleon Demers and Ann Noonan mentioned above had a son in Dec. 1910 who lived only one day. And they had been married only a month.
John :o :o :o
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Once again excellent detective skills John. If Napoleons father had'nt been around for sometime then it was probably natural for him to refer to Paul Garcin as his father. I agree the names are to close to be cooincidence.
Any of the drafts I've looked at, always seem to have the wife's name when there was one, so I wondered if it were possible Elizabeth Leather/Demers died earlier ? They could even have divorced - its just another uncertainty in the equation at the moment.
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Hello
Thanks again for all the information that you have found. From your findings, it looks like it was Napoleon's second marriage.....very sad that a child of his died age 1 month. It looks like he got married when Ann Noonan was 8 months pregnant!! I wonder if Ann may have died in chilbirth? There weren't may divorces at that time and Napoleon remarries fairly soon. On the British wedding certificates, it states whether the couple are batchelor/ spinster or Widower/widow. Do the American certificates have the same. This is very interesting and very sad.
It looks like Napoleon's father died when he was fairly young! I wonder what happened to him.
Thankyou very much for all this information. It is very much appreciated and also very interesting.
Hobbyhorse
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It may not mean anything, but the marriage registration for Napoleon Demers and Elizabeth Leather in 1914 says that the marriage was the first for each.
And to put a period to one part of this thread: Findagrave.com has Henriette Garcin and Paul Garcin buried in St. Joseph's Cemetery, Haverhill
Garcin, Henriette
b. 1874 d. 1959
Garcin, Paul G.
b. 1872 d. 1933
Lots of Demers are also buried in St. Joseph's, but Elizabeth and Napoleon not among them. Burials on Find A Grave are all posted by interested parties, and don't necessarily include everyone with a particular name.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Hello
Do you think that Napoleon was fibbing about his status, when he stated that he was a batchelor when he married Elizabeth? The other marriage to Ann Noonan, from what you have found also must be Napoleon as the parents have the same names. This seems very odd, they must be one and the same!!
Is there an Ann Demers burried in Haverhill cemetery, around 1910-1914 perhaps.?
If she did die in childbirth, perhaps he would prefer not to mention it to his new wife???
I printed off the social security death index for the Elizabeth Demers, birth date 1894. Her location is Haverhill, so hopefully this is her!
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
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Hi Hobbyhorse: There are at least four cemeteries in Haverhill where Ann Noonan Demers, Napoleon Demers, and Elizabeth Leather Demers might be buried: Haverhill City Cemetery, St. Joseph's Cemetery, St. James' Cemetery, and St. Patrick's Cemetery.
At this point it's impossible to tell where any of the three might be buried. The records that I saw on Findagrave.com are all contributed by relatives or friends, and don't necessarily include all people with a given surname.
If you eventually get any information from the Haverhill City Clerk about death certificates for Elizabeth and Napoleon Demers: The certificates usually note where the deceased person was buried and usually have the name of the funeral home.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Loved reading all these posts Re: American federal census lookup please. Elizabeth Leather, Elizabeth was my Granddads Sister, or to be precise, his half sister, my Great Granddad Joseph Leather had Hung Himself in the Crumpsall Union Hospital ( Workhouse ) Elizabeth and her Brother John were sent to the Swinton Industrial School ( workhouse ) where it appears she was trained for domestic work. Joseph had first married catherine Smith, who was my Granddads mother, she was only 27 when she died in 1875, it seems strange to me because he seems to have remarried in the same year to Mary Ann Foster, she also died young in her 40's, Josephs Greengrocery business appears to have failed and in Grief and despair he hung himself, my mother was Lillian Leather, the Daughter of James Leather and Jane Grundy nee Hutchinson, my mom died in 1987 aged 80. The Leather Family were all Watermen who worked on the Docks, Canals, Barges etc.
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Hi Salford Lad: And welcome to Rootschat. From reading this entire thread through once again, it seems to me that you and Hobbyhorse (who started the thread) are related. Or at least I think you are. Possibly (half) second cousins? Hobbyhorse seems to be descended from Elizabeth's brother Joseph (assuming that from Reply 18 on p. 3 of this thread) and you seem to be descended from a brother named John.
Have I go that right? Congrats if I'm correct. Excuse me if I'm not.
Regards,
John :o :o :o
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Hi John, if Hobbyhorse is related to Joseph, then you are correct, my Granddad was half brother to Joseph. My Granddad was James Leather born in 1870 who was the 1st child of Joseph Senior and his 1st wife Christine White, she died very young aged 27 and Joseph appears to have remarried in the same year to Marry Ann Foster, all the other children are from this 2nd union including young Joseph who was a Mariner ships cook, he ended up in Swansea, where he began the Welsh branch of the Leather family. My mother was Lillian Leather, the child of James and my Gran Jane Leather.
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Hello
Yes Salford Lad and I are related. My great grandfather was Joseph, half brother of his Grandfather James. Both sons of Joseph Leather, greengrocer, who sadly hung himself in 1898.
However...... you mention that Joseph senior's first wife was Christine White. I do not have this person or have I traced the incorrect first marriage ??
I have the first wife as Catherine Smith, born 1844 died 13th Jan 1875. Married Joseph Leather in Witton 1st march 1863. I have found them in the 1871 census, living in Northwich with son James age 1.
Have I traced the wrong first wife, if so I apologize.
kind regards
Hobbyhorse
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No hobbyhorse, you are quite correct, do not know what i was thinking of, Of course it was Catherine Smith, apologise for my silly mistake.
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Though I read the thread through again yesterday, there were so many people mentioned that I can't remember who might have been living in 1940. If you want to bring it up to that time, the 1940 census is on the FamilySearch website at https://familysearch.org/1940census.
You can plug in names and locations: The Massachusetts cities of Lawrence, Haverhill, and Methuen (pronounced Meh-too-enby French Canadiens--with the accent on the last syllale, according to my favorite relative from that area) are in Essex County. Salem, New Hampshire is in Rockingham County.
John :o :o :o
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Today, I found the gravestones of Napoleon Demers and Elizabeth Leather Demers.
They are buried in Walnut Grove Cemetery, Methuen, Mass.
The Census information I have for them:
1920 Haverhill, Massachusetts.
Napoleon was 27, employed as a Shoe Cutter in a shoe shop.
Elizabeth is 27, employed as a Jack (?) Spooler in a woolen mill
The record also states she emigrated to the US in 1902 and became a naturalized citizen in 1914.
1930 Salem, New Hampshire:
Napoleon, 38, b Mass, Cutter, shoe factory
Elizabeth, 35, b Eng.
Their marriage record is May 22, 1914 in Lawrence, Massachusetts.
States that she was living on 14 Granite Street in Methuen, Mass., is 23 years old and employed as a Mill Operative. Also states that her parents are Joseph Leather and Mary Foster Leather.
I have placed their gravestone photos on www.findagrave.com, on a memorial page for each.
The page numbers are #182315202 for Elizabeth and #182315188 for Napoleon.
(I joined this forum so that I could reply to your inquiry. =)
The towns I mentioned: Lawrence, Haverhill and Methuen, Massachusetts and Salem, New Hampshire are all close to one another. They were mill towns that attracted imigrants by the thousands at the time.
Lynn
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Dear Lynn thank you so much for all the information on Napoleon Demar and Elizabeth Leather, to give you some facts, Elizabeth was my Great aunt, she was the half sister of my Grandad James Leather who was the eldest son of my Great Grandparents Joseph Leather and his first wife Catherine Smith who unfortunately died aged only 27, Joseph then remarried Mary Anne Foster who also died young in her fifties in 1896, Joseph struggled on but then hung himself in 1898, two of the girls Ada and Elizabeth emigrated to the U.S.A. My mothers maiden name was Lilian Leather the daughter of James and his wife Jane. I am so grateful for all your information and will now add it to my family tree, Regards..... Alan J.
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Hi Alan,
Im happy to add to your family tree, about what happened to Elizabeth Leather when she emigrated to the United States. I would like to put more information about her on her Find a Grave memorial page, specifically what area of England in which she was born.
Did you want me to try and find her sister, Ada?
Lynn
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Hi Lynn, not got a lot of information on Elizabeth,she was born in 1889 i can only assume that she was born in Manchester like her other siblings, i know she left England aboard the ss. Saxonia on 17th April 1906 and arrived at Boston Massachusetts on 26th April, she was 17 and a domestic servant, i believe her fare was paid by her sister Ada who had married a Fred Ball Bedford and was living at 34 Chelmsford Road ? Lawrence Mass. Ada had married Fred on the 9th August 1905 in Methuen Mass. If you want to know more about who i am, you can find me on Facebook, thank you for all your help...... Alan J