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Title: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Friday 12 February 10 03:59 GMT (UK)
Hello Fellow Searchers,
In your research have you come across the surname ROBIN?   What Clan does the ROBIN surname belong to?

In search of Robin grave sites in Glasgow, Scotland and London, England.

After finding the wills of Robert ROBIN and his brother George Robin I found reference to the purchase of a total of 5 lairs at the EASTERN NECROPOLIS and Janefield cemetery in Glasgow. Plus I have record that my grandfather, William Robin purchased lairs A507-A540 at Cardonald Cemetery in 1920.

My grandfather was:
William ROBIN Jr., Engineer/Automobile Mechanic (1874-1963) of Pollokshields, Glasgow. His stepfather was James Buchanan Gilkerson (birth circa 1845 in Ryegate, Vermont of Scottish parents died 1920 at the Mason's Old Home of Kentucky).
His father was William ROBIN Sr., Master Gunpowder Manufacturer (1848-1874) Robert Robin & Son.
His grandfather was Robert ROBIN, Wine & Spirit Merchant (1818-1877) Robin & Hutcheson, Robin & Houston Soaps & Candles.
Robert ROBIN had siblings by the names Peter x2, Walter x2, Robert, Matthew, William and George 1805-1888.
 Granduncle Walter ROBIN, Leather & Hide Merchant retired and died in the city  Bridge of Allan (1861-1936). Robert Robin's two sons and a brother took a leisure boat trip on the Clyde and drowned in 1877.


My grandfather's mother was Jane Neilson daughter of John Neilson elder brother of James Beaumont Neilson.  K

Sometimes this really gets very confusing but fascinating!

My reason for searching is that I recently got in contact with my cousin who is looking for his father's burial site. My thinking was if we could find where our grandparents graves are we may find my uncle's resting place.

Re:
British Merchant Seaman
Arthur John Robin 
R109897

DOB 20/03/1915
Born in  Gorbals, Glasgow, Scotland
DOD 24/04/1953
Died at Greenwich Seaman's Hospital, Kent, England


Oh forgot to mention that a very dear person (retired British Merchant Navy Seaman) a good Samaritan in Glasgow found a Robin Lair at Cardonald Cemetery. My Aunt Hannah (1909-1932), two Uncles who died in infancy, John McIntyre second husband of my Grand-Aunt Catherine Neilson Robin who resided in Dornoch are buried there.

Any other information or suggests would be greatly appreciated about the Robin family of Glasgow, Scotland.
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As Alice said:
"...if I don't make haste, I shall have to go back through the looking-glass...back into the old room-and there'd be an end of all my adventures!"
Sending my 'curiouser & curiouser' thoughts through the looking-glass.
Karola


Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Shandonman on Friday 23 April 10 20:33 BST (UK)
Hello

You found the will of my Great Grandfather, George Robin and your details fit with my records except that William and Robert's sons James and Walter drowned while trying to ford the Clyde between Langbank and Dumbarton.  The family were known as Roben and farmed in the Milngavie region from 1425.  The tree starts with Matthew Roben(1678) and Jean Gardener and the time in Rygate Vermont is well documented

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/ryegate/roben.htm

All the research is not mine but happy to discuss further.  Renfrew Parish Church has tombstones raised by Matthew Robin(1799) to his parents William and Margaret Park and Margaret Lang his first wife.  The adjacent stone was raised by my Great Grandfather George to his first wife.

Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Saturday 24 April 10 00:50 BST (UK)
HELLO!

How amazing!
I have many documents from Scotland's People. It is really exciting to see the actual names and connect the ancestors. Nice to hear from you.

Yes, William Robin & Margaret Park our my maternal Great-great-great-grandparents. Here are a few clips of old documents.

 Have death documents of the brothers and uncle who drowned in the Clyde in 1877. Also have many other birth/death/marriage records and a few wills/testatments. Love seeing and reading these records written in various scripts.

Thanks for the link to Electric Scotland. Great, I see some familiar dates and names. My Great-grandmother Jane Neilson Robin widow of William Robin married an American-Scot (John Buchanan Gilkerso) from Kentucky his parents were born in Ryegate and Barnet, Vermont. My Grandfather came with his mother and sister to Crab Orchard Springs, Kentucky in 1883. When his mother died in 1884 he was sent back to boarding school in Scotland in care of his Uncle Walter. He did return to New York with his first wife and returned back to Glasgow after about three months in 1896. I remember he told me about being in America before me and that he saw real 'Indians and Wild West men in buckskins'. Daniel Boone country he called it.
 
What is the inscription on the memorial stones of William Robin & Margaret Park? Where is it located? I live in Southern California, USA.  I would love to do further research at the Michell Library; however, my travel days are over due to hip replacement and osteoarthritis.

May I use the photo of WR/MP grave stone for my family tree? Thank you for responding! I was wondering if  I had gone through the looking-glass only to find nothing.
 Are we cousins: second third or once twice removed or however that works? How exciting!
Best regards,
Karola
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Saturday 24 April 10 01:18 BST (UK)
 ??? Ooops! What happened to the attachments got a note saying they were not accepted. I'll try a different clip and see if that works if not I'll send them via PM.

Here goes:
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Saturday 24 April 10 01:29 BST (UK)
Quote from: weeknightingale on Saturday 24 April 10 01:18 BST (UK)
??? Ooops! What happened to the attachments got a note saying they were not accepted. I'll try a different clip and see if that works if not I'll send them via PM.

Here goes:
Well I have attempted to attach the first page of George Robin's will but file too large.

On the Robert Robin 1877 death record you will note the top entry. His parents were William Robin , Property Owner and Margaret Park.



Last residence of George Robin 1888 res: 45 St. Vincent Crescent which is now a B&B restored Victorian Home:Location : On the edge of both the city centre and the west end  directly opposite the Scottish Exhibition and Conference Centre (SECC) and close to the Kelvingrove Art Galleries and Museum, Glasgow University and only 5 minutes from the M8. We are conveniently close to both of the main railway lines and 15 minutes from Glasgow International airport. Noted bowling green across street. Three story registered Historic Bldg. See Google Maps

Will lists all Estate holdings, Shares and ownership of Soap/Candle, Spirit an Wine Shopes in Glasgow, mines,railroads, steamships in England, Scotland and America, none in Ireland, Partnerships and people owing debts to Robert Robin, Eastern Necropolis
1888  Lair:1014  (1014-17) plus in lair 1015 son George age 24 9 Oct 1896 and lair 1016 third wife Jane Currie 25 Dec 1911


Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Shandonman on Saturday 24 April 10 08:57 BST (UK)
Nice to meet you on line and thanks for your information re lairs which was new to me.  Although I was aware of George Robin's will I had not yet downloaded it as it is very large. 
As a Glaswegian I regularly pass St Vincent Crescent and their subsequent home round the corner as well as their later mansions in the southern suburbs - and wonder where the wealth went.  I enclose a shot of the inscription of the other stone at Renfrew and will get details of the ones next to it although they are on line at "monumental inscriptions".  There is also a wee stone to his 3 yr old daughter who died when he returned from Wisconsin after the death of his second wife and 3 other children.
File is too large, will photoshop it later and resend.
I am off on holiday but will have access to internet and can advise that the main player in this tree has said she would be happy to talk with you although she does not do internet.
Finally, my father's sister is still in Glasgow age 92 with clear memory.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Sunday 25 April 10 13:44 BST (UK)
Hello,
Nice to meet you too.
I'm sure our ancestors are smiling down on us. Maybe even having a wee giggle at our attempts to piece their lives into a time-line. They must be happy that we are curious about their efforts and achievements and that we remember and cherish  their struggles and achievements.
Best regards,
Karola

P.S. I have a record of George and Matthew Robin's death record plus a few other records if you would like I can send them to you via private message if you are interested. K
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Rosegum on Monday 16 August 10 05:22 BST (UK)
A friend and I are both descendants of Walter ROBIN & Isobel GARDNER who
married in 1746.  Our lines have remained connected with that ROBIN family
right up to the 20th Century, so we were interested to read of your connection to the family.

Through the Walter ROBIN Trust documents we have some information about William ROBIN’s
& Marion Cameron MASON’s family but would like to know more.  From the same source we have transcripts of the MC of Arthur John ROBIN & Doris Selina DAVIES and of the BC of their son Christopher.

We are also interested in William’s 1st marriage to Helen BURNS in New York in 1896
and in what happened to their family after Helen’s death. Do you know anything about this family?
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Tuesday 17 August 10 02:21 BST (UK)
Quote from: Rosegum on Monday 16 August 10 05:22 BST (UK)
A friend and I are both descendants of Walter ROBIN & Isobel GARDNER who
married in 1746.  Our lines have remained connected with that ROBIN family
right up to the 20th Century, so we were interested to read of your connection to the family.

Through the Walter ROBIN Trust documents we have some information about William ROBIN’s
& Marion Cameron MASON’s family but would like to know more.  From the same source we have transcripts of the MC of Arthur John ROBIN & Doris Selina DAVIES and of the BC of their son Christopher.

We are also interested in William’s 1st marriage to Helen BURNS in New York in 1896
and in what happened to their family after Helen’s death. Do you know anything about this family?


Hello RoseGum,

RoseGum, are you Australian or have Oz connections? The name gives me visions of beautiful fragrant eucalyptus trees.

How nice to hear from some one who is interested in researching family origins. Please use the little green scroll on the left to private message me.

The first paragraph you are talking about my grandparents. Christopher is my cousin. In the second paragraph are you referring to Walter Robin (1861-1936) brother of William Robin Sr. sons of Robert Robin?

Interesting family history with many questions. At this time I'm some what busy editing photos and videos from my son's trip. I have not been on these sites as frequently as usual.

Best regards,
K

little Robins looking for their nest
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Rosegum on Tuesday 17 August 10 04:46 BST (UK)
Yes I am in Australia and would love to continue to discuss the family butI can't find the "little green scroll" so need your help.   Yes Walter ROBIN 1861 - 1936 brother of William & others & s/o Robert ROBIN & Janet MCCARTNEY.  J
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Monday 23 August 10 19:46 BST (UK)
Hi team,

A NEILSON family researcher looking for some ROBINS ...  :)


You need to post one more time Rosegum and then you can send a PM.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Monday 23 August 10 21:06 BST (UK)
Quote from: Mk2_Zephyr on Monday 23 August 10 19:46 BST (UK)
Hi team,

A NEILSON family researcher looking for some ROBINS ...  :)


You need to post one more time Rosegum and then you can send a PM.

Hello Mk2,

Yes, it takes team work. I have been having so much fun!
 
Rosegum and I are 5th cousins once removed!? 

Re: Neilson/Robin
My (Wm ROBIN Jr. 1874-1963) grandfather's mother was Jane Neilson (1851-1885) daughter of John Neilson of Oakbank Iron Works elder brother of James Beaumont 'Hot Blast' Neilson.. She was widowed in 1874 then in 1883 married James Buchanan Gilkerson a Scot-American.  He was born in Vermont and lived in Kentucky.
The Robin and the Buchanan/ Gilkerson's have a common ancestor Walter Robin (1719-1784) & Isabel Gardner (1724-1769). 

We are all six degrees! What a small world after all.
~thoughts through my looking-glass~
k

~The search goes on...
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Tuesday 24 August 10 03:25 BST (UK)

Yes, Jane was the daughter of John NEILSON (of Oakbank) and his second wife Catherine TWADDLE.

She had two sisters, Catherine and Margaret and one brother Walter.

Jane was not followed on, because of the common name.  :-\

Amazing the way I found Catherine Neilson ROBIN was the same as her first cousin Catherine Neilson PATON also born 1870 ish !

But anyhow, I have opened her (Jane) file now and await any information you feel like passing on. esp any certs of the early years.

As is my normal hunting instinct I will also rack up a few of the ROBIN relatives, going back to maybe Robert.

 :)
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Tuesday 24 August 10 03:33 BST (UK)

I have Jane and her siblings living with my granny in AYR, 1861 census.

This gathering was a gene goldmine (gran ran a finishing school of sorts, but it (1861) looks more like an orphans collection !) and I can see a Jessie PARK (aged 16) living there too !

 :)
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Tuesday 24 August 10 04:44 BST (UK)
Quote from: Mk2_Zephyr on Tuesday 24 August 10 03:25 BST (UK)

Yes, Jane was the daughter of John NEILSON (of Oakbank) and his second wife Catherine TWADDLE.

She had two sisters, Catherine and Margaret and one brother Walter.

Jane was not followed on, because of the common name.  :-\

Amazing the way I found Catherine Neilson ROBIN was the same as her first cousin Catherine Neilson PATON also born 1870 ish !

But anyhow, I have opened her (Jane) file now and await any information you feel like passing on. esp any certs of the early years.

As is my normal hunting instinct I will also rack up a few of the ROBIN relatives, going back to maybe Robert.

 :)

Catherine Neilson Robin (1871-1954) was my Grand-aunt my grandfather's sister. She lived in Nairn then Dornoch, Scotland after her second husband died. I have a copy of Jane Neilson's birth record which is interesting and beautifully penned in old legal script. She died in Crab Orchard Springs, Lincoln County, Kentucky. I was trying to locate where she could be buried. Was Jane Neilson's grandfather Wm Twaddle employed by John 'Oakbank' Neilson? She lived at Oakbank lodge before marriage. The Neilson's were prolific much like the Robin family. This all fascinates me!
Rosegum has got me reviewing all the docs that I have collected so my head is spinning with names, dates and places.
Talk soon got to go,
K
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Tuesday 24 August 10 05:31 BST (UK)
Yes it appears the TWADDLEs were servants and Catherine got lucky !  :-X

or that Catherine got her siblings, jobs at the NEILSON houses.


have not looked at the TWADDLEs for a while, so will refresh all the info in a few days.

But I will leave this thread for you ROBINs and contact you privately in regards to NEILSON stuff.

 :)
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Tuesday 24 August 10 06:01 BST (UK)
Hello again,
Sorry I ran off so quickly. I had a call from my son. He is the only person that I will drop everything for :)
Great! Well I wish I would get lucky with the California Lottery then I could spend all my time at this crazy addiction of 'genealogitis'!

K
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: SamuelMary on Monday 06 January 20 19:39 GMT (UK)
I think that Catherine Neilson the second wife of John may have been living at the Summerlee iron foundry in 1881. There is a woman of that name and the correct age listed as a widow sharing a home with three other workers. As John and his son Walter were original co-founders of Summerlee and Walter an executor of John's estate and Catherine was left a small stipend of £25 pa in John's will it's possible she is his widow.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Tuesday 07 January 20 04:38 GMT (UK)
OH! I should have checked my post. Correction: My great-grandmother Jane Neilson was born in the year 1851. Her mother Catherine Twaddle Neilson died in the year 1854. ~k I wrote a long explanation and it did not post. ~k Well sorry I'm not rewriting it. Anyway I'm not sure who the Catherine Twaddle Neilson you found. I have what I wrote but  copied but can't seem to transfer to this page from my MacBook laptop. 
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: SamuelMary on Tuesday 07 January 20 09:14 GMT (UK)
Do you know whereabouts she died as I haven't managed to find a death certificate listed? The Catherine Neilson I found in 1881 census was living in South Row at Summerlee she was 60/61 at the time which makes the age correct and the row was owned by Walter Neilson.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: SamuelMary on Tuesday 07 January 20 09:30 GMT (UK)
I also do not understand why John Neilson would have left money to Catherine in his will if she was dead before him.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: weeknightingale on Tuesday 07 January 20 20:09 GMT (UK)
Hello, I have so many documents and so many files. I also have a will that mentions my great-grandmother Jane Neilson she was taken care of with her uncles as executors. If I can find it I try and put a clip from the hand written copies that I received via Scotlands People dot gov.
I found the link for the video clip on the memorial. Always had trouble with transferring stuff on this web site. https://glasgowancestry.blogspot.com/2009/02/neilson-family-ancestry-gorbals.html (https://glasgowancestry.blogspot.com/2009/02/neilson-family-ancestry-gorbals.html)
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: SamuelMary on Wednesday 08 January 20 09:49 GMT (UK)
Hi, yes a visited the plaque when I was last in Glasgow (2017) its in what is known as the rose garden in Govan. Just behind the Police station. It looks like the graves were transferred and the headstones placed around the garden wall. It's in a bit of a sorry state, the garden that is, in fact, most cemeteries are. I found used syringe needles and beer cans in the bushes. Glasgow is somewhat poor since the ship and steel making is gone. I think the population has declined from 1.2M to about 600k now.
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Saturday 11 April 20 11:01 BST (UK)
Is Catherine NEILSON recorded as living on the 1972 marriage cert of Sam MARTIN and Margaret nee NEILSON ?
 
And in the will of John NEILSON (1780-1955), it stated,that if she remarried her money (stipe) would be severely reduced. 
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: SamuelMary on Saturday 11 April 20 22:09 BST (UK)
No Samuel Martin and Margaret Neilson marriage certificate only the fathers are listed. I have since found a funeral listing for Catherine in October 1854 who died of a stroke the internment details include a reference to her maiden name as well. Considering the children went to the boarding school in Ayr at a very early age it sounds a possibility. The lair is in Gorbals, it may be what is now called the Rose Garden as was John  but I haven't confirmed that
Title: Re: ROBIN Family of Glasgow, Scotland
Post by: Skoosh on Sunday 12 April 20 13:58 BST (UK)
Money left in a will to a dead person, might be he never knew she was dead or never got round to changing the will?

Skoosh.