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Looking for any further information on the Johann Traugutt Allmer born 1795 Paris Bessarabia, Poland. Died 28 august 1867
Wife Ana Marie Schorzman born 1795 died feb 5848 Bessarabia Poland...looking for ancenstors any hints or help
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Bessarabia was a province in the southwest corner of the Russian empire, covering most, if not all, of modern-day Moldova and included bits of Romania and the Ukraine. However, it did not come into being until 1812.
It is generally thought that Germans did not move out there until 1814.
The colony at Paris was not founded until 1816
See http://www.grhs.org/rig/bess/villages/ParisBess.htm
The 'Germans from Russia Heritage Society' would appear to be the ideal group for you.
www.grhs.org (http://www.grhs.org)
I have noticed a German chap researching Allmer in Paris from the late 19th and early 20th century.
Do you have any more information?
Justin
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Hi Justin,
Thanks for your time,
I have there children listed as
Johan married 1849 Fere Champenoise, Bessarabia
Margaretha born abt 1827 Worms, Ukraine,USSR ...married January 1847 Paris, Bessarabia [spouse Gottfied Bradke]
Magdalena born about 1830 Worms, Bessarabia...married 28 feb,1846 Neu Paris Bessarabia [spouse Michael Friederich] she died 1846 Paris, Ukraine, USSR
Anna Elizabeth born 2 May 1835 Worms,Rohrbach, Odessa, Russia..married 7 January 1854 Paris, Ukraine[spouse Andreas Boettcher] died 15 Sept Golden Prarie Sask, Canada
Anna Marie born 13 sept 1838 Worms, Rohrbach, Odessa, Russia,...death 13 febuary 1839 Worms, Rohrbach
Gottlieb Allmer born 14 November 1838 Fere-Champenoise, Bessarabia
Heinrich born 1840 Paris, Ukraine
Any help...thanks for the map it helps me understand there movement......still beginning here with research....
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Hi cshaw,
here is an interesting site for Bessarabia:
http://www.armin-zimmermann.eu/Bessarabien/Herkunft/Polen_englisch.html
Regards, Peonie
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Hello cshaw,
Some topography:
- "Paris, Bessarabia, Poland" founded in 1816 as "Village No. 10", later Alekzusvert, then Paris. Today is Veseliy Kut ("Jolly Corner"), Artsiz district, Odessa region, coordinates 46°2′57″ N 29°17′20″ E
- "Worms, Ukraine, USSR" till 1917 village Worms of Rohrbach volost, Odessa uezd, Khersonsjaya gubernia, after 1941 - village Vynohradne, Berezovskiy district, Odessa region, coordinates 47°13'31.46" N, 31°6'1.79" E
- "Fere Champenoise, Bessarabia", old names 'Alt-Fere-Champenoise', 'Alt-Elft', 'Michaelsruhm'. Today village Sadove, Artsiz district, Odessa reion. Coordinates 46°1′24″ N 29°16′27″ E
Mike
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Johann Traugutt Allmer and Ana Marie Schorzman were born not in Paris, Bessarabia, but evidently migrated from some place in Poland, as Paris was founded only in 1816 by 141 families of migrants from Poland.
Worms was founded in 1809 by 65 families from Elzas, Baden, Wurtemberg, Pfalz, Poland, Fogtland, Westfalen, Meklenburg and Sachsen. Named after Worms / Rheinhessen. Mass migration from Worms to USA was in 1873.
Fere Champenoise was founded in 1818 by 126 families from Wurtemberg and Prussia (migrated during 1801 - 04), Sachsen and France.
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Have one SCHORZMAN Gotlieb Christianovich (Christian), born 1912, village Johannestal, Rohrbach parish. Undergraduate. Before 1942 - timekeeper at Orenburg railway. Lived in Gurjev, Atyrajskiy region, USSR - today Atyrau, Kazakhstan. Arrested by NKVD on 22/08/1942. Sentenced for 10 years in labour camp. Rehabilitated in 1999.
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Another SCHORZMAN from Rogrbach parish:
SCHORZMAN Alfons Christianovich, born 1920, Odessa region, Karl Liebknecht district (Rohrbach parish)
Later lived in Pyatigorsk, Stavropolskiy Krai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ставропольский_край)
11/11/1941 sentenced for exile to Tomsk region (Russia)
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Allmer Friedrich Georgievich (George)
born 1879, Worms, (Rohrbach parish)
sentenced to death 29/09/1938
Other Allmers from "Odesskiy martirology" v. 4, 2006:
-Allmer Alexander Grigorievich, born 1918
sentenced to exile
-Allmer Galina Fedorovna, born 1905
sentenced to exile
-Allmer Georgiy (George) Karlovich (Carl), born 1886
sentenced to exile
-Allmer Hilda Gustavovna (Gustav), born 1912,
sentenced to exile
-Allmer Leontiy Georgievich (George), born 1916
sentenced to exile
-Allmer Edwin Ottovich (Otto), born 1935,
sentenced to exile
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People of German nationality were "sentenced to exile" according to the Resolution of GKO (State Committee for Defence) # 702 cc dated 22.09.1941 "On resettlement of German nationals from Zaporozhskaya, Stalinskaya and Voroshilovgradskaya regions".
According to this Resolution Soviet citizens of German nationality were exiled to Kazakhstan:
63,000 from Zaporozhskaya, 41,000 from Stalinskaya (Donetskaya nowadays) and 5487 from Voroshilovogradskaya (Luganskaya nowadays) regions of Ukraine.
This operation of deportation was performed between 25 September and 10 October 1941. People left all their belongings, property and were allowed to take only 200 kg of personal belongings and food per person. 100,000 people were deported during this time. Another 800,000 were deported till the end of 1941.....
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Meu nome é Leandro Allmer e estou em busca da certidão de nascimento de meu bisavô JOHANNES ALLMER, provavelmente nascido em Paris, Bessarábia.