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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cheshire => England => Cheshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: usacheshire on Saturday 20 February 10 20:13 GMT (UK)
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In the 1841 Census and the 1851 Census for Mobberley,Cheshire the elder Blackshaw family are living in Moss Lane. With them are the Grandchildren with a family name of Pimlott. In 1841 the daughter , Mary is also there. According to a later marriage certificate for the Grand daughter Elizabeth(Betty) father Samuel Pimlott was a Wood turner. I believe he came from the Prestbury/Birtles/Pott Shrigley area.
My problem is I can not find any references for a marriage between Samuel Pimlott and Mary Blackshaw. The first child was born in 1834, and I have looked before and after that date.
Ideas or help please.
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Hi usacheshire
How about this:
Mary BLACKSHAW m Sam. PIMBLOT 23 Jun 1834 Cheadle
You will need to check the parish register entry to confirm.
Jean
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Thanks everyone for trying. Yes I had found the Cheadle entries and discounted them. I have had Pimblott, Pimlett and all variations.
My own guess- without any facts is that Samuel had already deserted or died after the last child was born, because I have never found any records for him.
I guess we keep looking .
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I'm really not sure why you would discount the Cheadle entries - the places are very close to each other so I would take it as a good match.
I think you would need to find burial records to confirm your thoughts - but the marriage would seem fairly certain.
Jean
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I agree with Jean.
My 3x grt grandmother was Elizabeth Blackshaw of Mobberley and she married Thomas Warburton in Manchester Cathedral in 1833.
Mary might have been living and working in Cheadle at the time of her marriage, or been pregnant and got married in Cheadle rather than Mobberley or Knutsford, so I wouldn't discount the marriage at all.
Kind regards
Su
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OK Thanks everyone, I guess I know when I'm beaten, I'll send for a copy on my next batch. :)
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OK Thanks everyone, I guess I know when I'm beaten, I'll send for a copy on my next batch. :)
be careful though
on the 1841 census there is a samuel/mary pimlot/pimlet living in cheadle with eldest child peter aged 4
although i to think the marriage found is probably yours
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Hi wozzle,
Please could you post the reference for the 1841 census?
Maybe we can establish if they are the same couple or not....
Thanks,
Jean
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here is the entry
1841
HO107/99/12/8/28
samuel pimlet age 30. occ. agr.lab
mary pimlet age 25
peter pimlet age 4
william pimlet age 1
living at;cheadle heath,cheadle,cheshire
reg dist; stockport
all born in county
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Hi usacheshire and wozzle,
Well, that would seem cast some doubt unless we can pinpoint both marriages - this is the 1841 for the Blackshaw/Pimlott family:
HO107 94/2/9 Page 12 at Mobberley
William BLACKSHAW, 56, Bricklayer, Y
Betty BLACKSHAW, 60, Y
Betty BLACKSHAW, 20, Cotton Weaver, Y
Mary PIMLOTT, 28, Cotton Weaver, Y
Jane PIMLOTT, 6, Y
Thomas PIMLOTT, 4, Y
Betty PIMLOTT, 3, Y
Samuel PIMLOTT, 1, Y
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Thanks for keeping at it folks.
Young Thomas was, years later, apprenticed as a wood turner to his Uncle, the same trade as his missing father. Jane married a tailor and they set up business in Grove street, Wilmslow. Betty, married a farmers son from Nether Alderley and they set up shop in the new Alderley Edge.
Samuel for many years was employed as a carter, living in Heaton Mersey, turning farmer by 1891 in the same area off Didsbury Road.
In the intervening years the girls were in service, Elizabeth in Wilmslow.
So the only missing piece for me is the marriage.
I wondered, because Elizabeth was married in Wilmslow, whether her parents were also married there. St Barts records are not on line and hard to read as I understand from other posts.
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Only 11 years behind the conversation....
I don't know whether this will help but I have been delving into this line of the Blackshaws. Currently I think this William BLACKSHAW first married Hannah WALLEY in 1806 in Alderley. They had a surviving son, Abraham, in 1807 and a second, William, who was born and died in 1808. Hannah also died in 1808 a few months earlier, all in Mobberley.
William BLACKSHAW then married Betty MOLLINEAUX in 1809. I have confidently found 5 children to date: William (bpt 9/1/1810, Elizabeth (bpt 26/3/1811) and triplets - Mary, Hannah and John (b. 24/9/1815). The William born 1810 ties in with the William junior in the Mobberley census and Mary is about the right age to have married Samuel Pimlott around 1834.
I do not know who the Betty BLACKSHAW aged 20 in the 1841 census is or how she fits in. I found a birth record for an Elizabeth BLACKSHAW in 1821 to a William and Betty but in this record (and another one for a David in 1816) William is described as a 'higgler' rather than the his usual 'bricklayer'. I am weighing up the possibility that he changed his job (post-Napoleonic Wars depression?) because bricklaying work dried up. If the Elizabeth (bpt 1811) died before 1821 then reuse of the name is possible and this would strengthen the argument. If anyone has access to the death/burial records in Mobberley for this period then I would appreciate a bit of help!
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It might be a long time ago, but in spite of covid I'm still here.
My father had often told me we were cousins with the Pimlotts (they had a shop in Wilmslow and it used to trigger the memory) , and I did trace where Elizabeth Pimlott married Edward Perrin at St Bartholomews, my great grandparents. I never followed up the Blackshaw side but I guess that means that we are cousins. I did see that the Mill in Bosley where I found Samuel as a woodturner caught fire a few years back.
Coincidence or what, there was a pub on Brook Lane Alderley in 60's/70's where one of the regulars was called Ken Blackshaw and I believe he was a builder, one of yours?
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Hi
Glad to hear you haven't been covided (if that is the term). My brain has started aching trying to work out how distant were are as cousins. Even then I think we are 'half' cousins because I come from an earlier marriage than the Pimlott connection.
I saw in some of the trail that there was a Cheadle connection. I believe there is still a Pimlott's butchers shop in Cheadle Hulme so that might be another connection.
I did have an uncle Kenneth who lived in Wilmslow and was definitely a drinker so it could have been him. I can only think, if it was, that he was in Alderley because he had been barred from his Wilmslow locals. The builder description is puzzling though because I only ever knew him as working on the buses or unemployed. The period works and was his 'heyday'.